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      sore monad
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      VAR has to go
      Oct 17, 2020 02:35:05 pm
      Anybody left in football who still disagrees with this? Not only is it spoiling the flow of the game, but the decision making is actually worse than it would be without it. Today was beyond a joke.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #1: Oct 17, 2020 02:42:58 pm
      Offside ruling was a joke. Pointless having it with Pickford still being on the pitch.

      Properly. F**ked. Off.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #2: Oct 17, 2020 02:45:18 pm
      It’s been far from perfect. I still like the idea of it; the implementation has just been poor. We did get screwed today but in general I support VAR.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #3: Oct 17, 2020 02:45:39 pm
      It’s gotten to the stage that even when it happens to our rivals it pisses me off because it’s robbed all joy from the game.

      VAR needs an independent team to run it who HAVE to explain their decisions after a game.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #4: Oct 17, 2020 02:48:20 pm
      VAR would have been fine if it actually worked as advertised - for clear and obvious errors. It should only be used to correct big errors like a clear missed red card or a clear offside.

      All these breaking down offsides to armpits and leg hair and looking at handballs 50 times at super slow motion is just wrong. It's not what VAR was brought it in to fix.

      We're stuck with it now though unless clubs can come together and demand change.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #5: Oct 17, 2020 02:49:23 pm
      Don't think there was anyone watching including Everton fans thought that was offside ! Why was VAR used for this ? It wasn't a hard call to make for the referee surely ....complete farce
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #6: Oct 17, 2020 02:53:59 pm
      System itself is right, it’s the morons working that are the problem.. I know we have had VAR decisions go our way last season but to take that away from Mane & leave Pickford on leaves VAR operators to deserved criticism..
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #7: Oct 17, 2020 03:27:31 pm
      Never wanted it from the start. Once a goal has been given that should be it, nobody should have the right to take that joy away from a supporter

      But of course it adds extra "drama" for the neutral watching on TV
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #8: Oct 17, 2020 03:31:34 pm
      Only people in favour of VAR still are none match goers. The ones who want perfection and moan when they can see the replays when the officials make a mistake. They’re the ones who helped campaign for it.

      The match goer never wanted it. Human error is part of the game, if anything it makes it more exciting and in general the decisions balance themselves out, some you get some you don't. Var has always been a shambles but even more so when you’re at the ground. It’s a f**king joke.

      Imagine being in that away end then and that moment is taken away from you all because manes fingernail was offside. It’s pathetic.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #9: Oct 17, 2020 03:40:48 pm
      Anybody left in football who still disagrees with this? Not only is it spoiling the flow of the game, but the decision making is actually worse than it would be without it. Today was beyond a joke.

      I don't agree they need to get rid of VAR.

      They need to change the offside rule.  That's a fundamental problem.

      If they need to get measuring lines out to that degree then it's not offside.  An attacker should have one of his feet fully offside - not the hairs on a shoulder or an arse cheek.  That's simple to sort out.

      And as for the Pickford foul.  The VAR official should have said to the ref 'That looks like a meaty challenge.  Do you want to go and have a look at that on the monitor.'  He was just incompetent, or worse.

      It's the offside rule that is fu**ed and today, the VAR official fu**ed us over by seemingly ignoring a blatant red card offence.  Double whammy.

      VAR would have been fine if it actually worked as advertised - for clear and obvious errors. It should only be used to correct big errors like a clear missed red card or a clear offside.

      All these breaking down offsides to armpits and leg hair and looking at handballs 50 times at super slow motion is just wrong. It's not what VAR was brought it in to fix.

      This.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #10: Oct 17, 2020 03:41:35 pm
      The biggest problem with VAR is that even with it they are getting the calls wrong, if they were getting them right at least you could say "yeah it was close but they got it right", so why have it?

      It disrupts the game and we're still seeing major mistakes week after week. At least before you put the blame on human error but now,? It's just corruption when with all the tools they still get the calls wrong.

      What is their excuse for today?
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      Reply #11: Oct 17, 2020 04:47:06 pm
      Only people in favour of VAR still are none match goers. The ones who want perfection and moan when they can see the replays when the officials make a mistake. They’re the ones who helped campaign for it.

      The match goer never wanted it. Human error is part of the game, if anything it makes it more exciting and in general the decisions balance themselves out, some you get some you don't. Var has always been a shambles but even more so when you’re at the ground. It’s a f**king joke.

      Imagine being in that away end then and that moment is taken away from you all because manes fingernail was offside. It’s pathetic.

      That's it. Sick of hearing the blame being passed to the refs in the bunkers. You could have the best referees on the planet manning it and it would still take a lot of the natural joy out of football, its sh*te
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #12: Oct 17, 2020 05:04:27 pm
      What’s the point in having linesman now then? Because whatever decision they make gets looked at anyway.

      What’s the point in even having a ref? Why don’t the VAR dickheads blow a whistle on the tannoy when they want to stop the game? Because any decision the referee makes gets looked at too.

      The whole thing is on its arse. Never liked it and it’s ruined the game. F**k it off and give the referee the option to check a monitor for certain things - like a dangerous tackle and he doesn’t know what card to produce.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #13: Oct 17, 2020 05:14:34 pm
      Awfull decision making unless the is a brown everlope passed some where
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      Reply #14: Oct 17, 2020 08:40:26 pm
      Personally I believe it's how it is being implemented. For example I think if they are going to use fine margins for offside it should only be the players foot.  Also a bit of common sense. One that wasnt even my team but enraged me was Spurs vs Norwich last season when var ruled a goal offside on the heel of a player coming back, which gave no advantage whatsoever. It should be supporters of football making these decisions and not beurocratic suits.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #15: Oct 17, 2020 08:45:06 pm
      Personally I believe it's how it is being implemented. For example I think if they are going to use fine margins for offside it should only be the players foot.  Also a bit of common sense. One that wasnt even my team but enraged me was Spurs vs Norwich last season when var ruled a goal offside on the heel of a player coming back, which gave no advantage whatsoever. It should be supporters of football making these decisions and not beurocratic suits.

      That probably one of the biggest problem with our officials and VAR.  Common f**king sense! They are brainless.
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      Reply #16: Oct 17, 2020 09:05:13 pm
      System itself is right, it’s the morons working that are the problem.. I know we have had VAR decisions go our way last season but to take that away from Mane & leave Pickford on leaves VAR operators to deserved criticism..

      100%.

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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #17: Oct 17, 2020 09:09:01 pm
      The problem is I could have been the var and manipulated the lines so that Mane was onside and nobody would bat an eyelid. Equally the bloke who did do it could have done the opposite. Those are man made lines paused at a point when he wanted to pause it.

      Offsides cant be 100% accurate so they should stop mictoanalysing it to that degree. Be no complaints from any body if those were given as goals and same goes if they scored in that way too.

      All very silly.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #18: Oct 17, 2020 09:16:01 pm
      It should be the same as with rugby with the VAR team consulting with the ref, both watching the replay on screen, the ref giving his opinion on the action to take and the VAR team giving the final decision.

      It's really not that complicated if they use some common f**king sense with this.
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      Reply #19: Oct 17, 2020 09:57:08 pm
      It should be the same as with rugby with the VAR team consulting with the ref, both watching the replay on screen, the ref giving his opinion on the action to take and the VAR team giving the final decision.

      It's really not that complicated if they use some common f**king sense with this.

      Rugby system is very transparent. The referees in English football are the total opposite. Everything is done in the shadows.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #20: Oct 17, 2020 10:03:54 pm
      Rugby system is very transparent. The referees in English football are the total opposite. Everything is done in the shadows.


      Yep.

      The officials in football are like a little club that looks after themselves and none of them want to over rule the other.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #21: Oct 17, 2020 10:10:35 pm
      For a start, Var's not going, accept that.

      Var needs to change, it needs refining no doubt but don't for one second think or waste time thinking about it going, it's entrenched worldwide, it's going nowhere.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #22: Oct 17, 2020 10:24:14 pm
      For a start, Var's not going, accept that.

      Var needs to change, it needs refining no doubt but don't for one second think or waste time thinking about it going, it's entrenched worldwide, it's going nowhere.

      No matter how bolloxed this decision is we have benefited from VAR previously. As you say mate it's here to stay.
      For this to happen in a derby is a real sickener and emotions are increased to explosive levels.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #23: Oct 17, 2020 10:57:03 pm
      Only people in favour of VAR still are none match goers. The ones who want perfection and moan when they can see the replays when the officials make a mistake. They’re the ones who helped campaign for it.

      The match goer never wanted it. Human error is part of the game, if anything it makes it more exciting and in general the decisions balance themselves out, some you get some you don't. Var has always been a shambles but even more so when you’re at the ground. It’s a f**king joke.

      Imagine being in that away end then and that moment is taken away from you all because manes fingernail was offside. It’s pathetic.

      What utter sh*t.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #24: Oct 17, 2020 11:08:57 pm

      Ah, here we have fatkopite, presumably a non match goer who was previously in favour of VAR but now looks like a tit because it’s a load of sh*t.

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