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      Ulsters_No1
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #275: Feb 16, 2021 01:55:03 pm
      My biggest hate with it is the camera angles we get shown - I have yet to see an angle shown that looks dead across the line (like the view the linesman would have). Everytime we are shown a review its at an acute angle which makes it absolutely impossible to determine anything!

      Need to stop talking about it now as Im getting angryyyyy  :mad: :f_steam:
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #276: Feb 16, 2021 04:54:16 pm
      As has been said many times before. VAR is fine, its the incompetent fools operating it that makes a mockery of it !
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #277: Feb 19, 2021 03:57:05 pm

      Quote from Ulsters_No1
      My biggest hate with it is the camera angles we get shown - I have yet to see an angle shown that looks dead across the line (like the view the linesman would have). Everytime we are shown a review its at an acute angle which makes it absolutely impossible to determine anything!

      You won't see anything with the view of a linesman. If he can't spot a keeper walking off his line at penalties, he's certainly not going to spot if a kneecap of a forward is on or offside, at the time the ball was played to him.

      There are 30 odd cameras at games. The video operator in the park uses the best one, puts it on screen for the VAR to make the call, and then shows it to the ref on the monitor if required.

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      F**k those lines man they are subjective. You don't know and the refs don't know the exact moment the ball contacts the foot.

      Going off Bobby's shadow absolute amateur hour at best.

      His foot plays them onside. It's the only thing about the decision that matters tbh. We've got those tight calls our way this season, we'll get them again, but at times they'll go against us and unfortunately this was one of them.

      I don't question the technology at all because it's the most accurate available. But even if it is only 99.99999999999999999% accurate, it is still far more trustworthy than having to rely on a linesman trying to judge a tight call when he's 30 yards away from the action with several players in his way.

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      I can’t take another of his ‘matter of fact’ posts about VAR.

      You find that there's two ways of arguing  about VAR. The conspiracy theory method which is very popular, or the facts. I prefer to deal with the latter, as VAR is all about facts. McAteer is still crying on our channel about "wrong decisions" against us, last and previous weekends. 50 years old, defended for his club and his country for a living, played in 2 World Cups, and even with the lines drawn out for him, he still doesn't know when a forward is onside or not. While Steve Hunter is too busy reeling off all the conspiracies during his commentaries when VAR has to step in, to even notice what's going on in front of him.

      Let the officials referee the game. They're there to apply the laws as they stand in a fair and impartial manner, not the ones we like, when it suits us. Sorry if you can't take the facts, but by the laws of the game as they currently stand, The VAR decisions last week were correct. The VAR decisions in the Brighton game were correct. The VAR decisions in the Spurs game were correct. The VAR offside calls in the derby were correct. The VAR decisions in Denmark were correct. The VAR offside call at home to Sheffield United was correct. The VAR decision to overturn the penalty given in the Wolves game was correct. The VAR decision to advise a penalty and red card be given in the game between Chelsea v City last summer was correct. That's just decisions affecting this club, let alone the other 19 in the league.

      It's no different emotionally to when a goal was ruled out before VAR, except it was usually wrong. Like everyone else I hate when VAR decisions go against us, the difference now is, I can't complain about them as they are correct decisions and that is fair play in action. Therefore VAR is very much here to stay.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #278: Feb 20, 2021 11:33:11 pm
      Var is f**king pointless, I thought the blueshites peno was shocking, just seen the Fulham v sheff utd
      bullshit, why is no one accountable
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #279: Feb 20, 2021 11:55:03 pm
      You won't see anything with the view of a linesman. If he can't spot a keeper walking off his line at penalties, he's certainly not going to spot if a kneecap of a forward is on or offside, at the time the ball was played to him.

      There are 30 odd cameras at games. The video operator in the park uses the best one, puts it on screen for the VAR to make the call, and then shows it to the ref on the monitor if required.

      His foot plays them onside. It's the only thing about the decision that matters tbh. We've got those tight calls our way this season, we'll get them again, but at times they'll go against us and unfortunately this was one of them.

      I don't question the technology at all because it's the most accurate available. But even if it is only 99.99999999999999999% accurate, it is still far more trustworthy than having to rely on a linesman trying to judge a tight call when he's 30 yards away from the action with several players in his way.

      You find that there's two ways of arguing  about VAR. The conspiracy theory method which is very popular, or the facts. I prefer to deal with the latter, as VAR is all about facts. McAteer is still crying on our channel about "wrong decisions" against us, last and previous weekends. 50 years old, defended for his club and his country for a living, played in 2 World Cups, and even with the lines drawn out for him, he still doesn't know when a forward is onside or not. While Steve Hunter is too busy reeling off all the conspiracies during his commentaries when VAR has to step in, to even notice what's going on in front of him.

      Let the officials referee the game. They're there to apply the laws as they stand in a fair and impartial manner, not the ones we like, when it suits us. Sorry if you can't take the facts, but by the laws of the game as they currently stand, The VAR decisions last week were correct. The VAR decisions in the Brighton game were correct. The VAR decisions in the Spurs game were correct. The VAR offside calls in the derby were correct. The VAR decisions in Denmark were correct. The VAR offside call at home to Sheffield United was correct. The VAR decision to overturn the penalty given in the Wolves game was correct. The VAR decision to advise a penalty and red card be given in the game between Chelsea v City last summer was correct. That's just decisions affecting this club, let alone the other 19 in the league.

      It's no different emotionally to when a goal was ruled out before VAR, except it was usually wrong. Like everyone else I hate when VAR decisions go against us, the difference now is, I can't complain about them as they are correct decisions and that is fair play in action. Therefore VAR is very much here to stay.

      Do you accept that the moment a ball is kicked will be spread over more than one frame of a 25 frame per second TV recording? If not, you're kidding yourself.
      If so, how do you decide which frame to choose in deciding whether someone is offside or not? (Specific answer please.)
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #280: Feb 21, 2021 01:03:47 pm
      What is the point, there's a lot of money in this game, if this carries on, there won't be.

      It's literally, you say potato, I say parrtayo.

      https://twitter.com/NeilDocking/status/1363272200317468673?s=19
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #281: Feb 21, 2021 01:27:41 pm
      What is the point, there's a lot of money in this game, if this carries on, there won't be.

      It's literally, you say potato, I say parrtayo.

      https://twitter.com/NeilDocking/status/1363272200317468673?s=19

      This all day mate.
      The officials are faulted, for whatever reason their judgement is impaired.
      The f**king irony is the system that purports to eradicate these unbelievable errors is monitored by the visually impaired officials - all with the blessing of the FA of course.

      The blind leading the blind was never more appropriate.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #282: Feb 21, 2021 01:53:02 pm
      Sad part about all this, it would be so easy to implement VAR fairly but the FA isn’t interested  in it making the game fair. It’s just trying to show they are using technology and staying “relevant”.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #283: Feb 21, 2021 09:39:14 pm
      I’ve watched the penalty about 20 times and have to laugh at the decision every time ,I mean how the f**k is that a penalty?????
      And that ref just literally dismissed VAR he wasn’t f**king interested at all “I’m right the end”what a knob.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #284: Feb 21, 2021 09:47:57 pm
      Do you accept that the moment a ball is kicked will be spread over more than one frame of a 25 frame per second TV recording? If not, you're kidding yourself.
      If so, how do you decide which frame to choose in deciding whether someone is offside or not? (Specific answer please.)


      Do you accept that the moment a ball is kicked will be spread over more than one frame of a 25 frame per second TV recording? If not, you're kidding yourself.
      If so, how do you decide which frame to choose in deciding whether someone is offside or not? (Specific answer please.)


      HD format is generally 50/60hz isn’t it?

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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #285: Feb 21, 2021 09:50:19 pm
      Sad part about all this, it would be so easy to implement VAR fairly but the FA isn’t interested  in it making the game fair. It’s just trying to show they are using technology and staying “relevant”.

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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #286: Feb 22, 2021 08:41:47 pm
      Quote from sore monad
      Do you accept that the moment a ball is kicked will be spread over more than one frame of a 25 frame per second TV recording?
      If so, how do you decide which frame to choose in deciding whether someone is offside or not? (Specific answer please.)

      You use what you have available. The frame is frozen at the point the ball is released, so if you're in an on/offside position at that time, you will be found. The difference between frame rates is so minute as to be insignificant imo. Even if you argue otherwise, it's still far more reliable than a linesman trying to make an accurate judgement of a knee or toe or shoulder in a crowded penalty area. He's only guessing most of the time, like flipping a coin. Occasionally he would be right, often he would be wrong, and with so much at stake, that's simply not good enough.

      At least we now have physical evidence to show why the decision was made. Yes our hearts sink when we have an offside decision against us because of the sleeve or the knee or the heel, or when you see the penalty incident at Brighton, but that's not the VAR's problem. That's the rules applied as they stand, not as we want them to be.

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