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      VAR has to go

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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #375: Jul 05, 2021 01:10:55 pm
      Var should stay, but with foreign officials to replace the inept English ones.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #376: Jul 05, 2021 02:55:18 pm
      In the long term VAR has got to be a positive innovation, having seen some atrocious and obviously faulted refereeing decisions further scrutiny can only be an improvement.

      The some you win some you lose maxim is appropriate when previously the ridiculous decisions at places like Old Twatford would be corrected and shut the screaming gobshites up.
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      Reply #377: Jul 05, 2021 10:20:34 pm
      VAR destroys the pure joy you feel after a goal because it makes you think ("does it holds, was it offside,..."). VAR was invented to correct gross errors, nothing more.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #378: Jul 05, 2021 10:23:56 pm
      Var should stay, but with foreign officials to replace the inept English ones.

      Exactly. A good workman never blames his tools.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #379: Jul 05, 2021 11:36:40 pm
      The var performance in the euros with foreign adjudicators has been fine. It’s embarrassing that the only ‘delayed’ var decisions were when the English operators were in action.

      Says  it all really.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #380: Jul 06, 2021 08:54:28 am
      Consistency is needed, rules refined and then stick to them, good VAR officials are needed too.

      We need to stick with it but they need to improve their standard of work.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #381: Jul 06, 2021 09:26:54 am
      Agree with your whole post Clint, but this is really important for me. Just because someone is a good referee doesn't mean he (or she) will be a good VAR referee. It's a complete different job, so different qualities are needed. They should be trained specifically for it and be judged accordingly.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #382: Jul 06, 2021 10:09:35 am
      Agree with your whole post Clint, but this is really important for me. Just because someone is a good referee doesn't mean he (or she) will be a good VAR referee. It's a complete different job, so different qualities are needed. They should be trained specifically for it and be judged accordingly.

      Totally agree and we need excellent camera angles and people who knows how to use them.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #383: Jul 07, 2021 03:40:35 pm
      Quote from 0112358
      VAR destroys the pure joy you feel after a goal

      So did the linesman's flag before VAR. Now after he puts it up, we can check whether he was right or not. 2 goals have already been given at the Euros, because they put the flag up and got it wrong.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #384: Aug 08, 2021 08:08:35 am
      Have the Premier League announced any changes in the use of VAR this season?

      My biggest thing would be to have ARs go ahead and raise the flag unless it is a total photo finish on an offside call, rather than wait through therest of the sequence, the "goal," the celebration, only to reverse it. I get it if we're talking hair's s breadth stuff, but otherwise would like to see them take more charge of their calls.
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      Reply #385: Aug 08, 2021 01:22:19 pm
      So did the linesman's flag before VAR. Now after he puts it up, we can check whether he was right or not. 2 goals have already been given at the Euros, because they put the flag up and got it wrong.

      The current directives around offside will get someone injured soon.
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      Reply #386: Aug 08, 2021 01:41:29 pm
      The current directives around offside will get someone injured soon.

      Yep
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #387: Aug 08, 2021 01:42:14 pm
      Have the Premier League announced any changes in the use of VAR this season?

      My biggest thing would be to have ARs go ahead and raise the flag unless it is a total photo finish on an offside call, rather than wait through therest of the sequence, the "goal," the celebration, only to reverse it. I get it if we're talking hair's s breadth stuff, but otherwise would like to see them take more charge of their calls.

      Thicker lines for offsides so shouldn't be any toe nails offside and they are not going to get involved in contentious penalty calls apparently. So probably a return to the high bar for over turning decisions like the first season it was here. The type we gave away against Brighton for example.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #388: Aug 13, 2021 07:40:41 pm
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      Have the Premier League announced any changes in the use of VAR this season?

      My biggest thing would be to have ARs go ahead and raise the flag unless it is a total photo finish on an offside call, rather than wait through therest of the sequence, the "goal," the celebration, only to reverse it. I get it if we're talking hair's s breadth stuff.

      As regards offside flags going up, you play to the whistle not the flag. Even if the flag goes up, it should be remembered that only the referee has the power to stop play. Offsides are rarely obvious to the human eye, and we've seen clearly obvious offsides live look clearly onside on replays, and vice versa. So in terms of applying the rules, I see little change from previous years.

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      Thicker lines for offsides so shouldn't be any toe nails offside and they are not going to get involved in contentious penalty calls apparently. So probably a return to the high bar for over turning decisions like the first season it was here. The type we gave away against Brighton for example.

      That will still be a penalty because it's a foul. Unfortunately it's both clear and obvious, and once it was spotted it had to be given.

      We knew before VAR, that the forward never got the benefit of the doubt with tight offside calls, and we've seen definitive proof of it with VAR. But the offside line has to go somewhere, and we'll still be having the same debates as in previous years.

      After it's successful use at the Olympics, it's now being brought into the remaining WCQ for Europe. Too late to change decisions such as in Serbia v Portugal, but better late than never.

      As we now know that VAR is here to stay, as expected, maybe it's time to either close this thread or merge the two VAR threads together.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #389: Aug 13, 2021 07:54:56 pm
      Oh ffs I haven't missed this VAR bum licker during the Summer...
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #390: Aug 13, 2021 09:18:33 pm
      How many times....... Its not V.A.R., ITS THE MUPPETS OPERATING IT.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #391: Aug 13, 2021 09:46:44 pm
      How many times....... Its not V.A.R., ITS THE MUPPETS OPERATING IT.

      Is that to the same tune as "his name's not Keano, it's Robbie Keane?"
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #392: Dec 19, 2021 07:25:53 pm
      I suppose the one good thing about VAR is that it does remove any doubt about whether officials are biased or not. I mean, there is no other explanation for today's decisions to call the ref back over Andy Robertson's foul, but not over Harry Kane's leg breaker.

      And then there's the total weirdness of nobody being able to see the massive foul on Jota in the box. Paul Tierney had a great view of it, and Chris Kavanagh in VAR land had as many views as he wanted. Absolutely laughable. They should be charged with bringing the game into disrepute after that performance today.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #393: Dec 20, 2021 12:11:00 pm
      Anyone bother watching tgat gimp gallagher on sky this morning? I didnt, wonder how he wormed around the fact yesterday was a clusterfuck by the ref
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #394: Dec 20, 2021 01:35:39 pm
      If they're as thick as each other it doesn't really matter whether you have another set of eyes and as many camera angles as you like.
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      Reply #395: Dec 20, 2021 08:33:08 pm
      Anyone bother watching tgat gimp gallagher on sky this morning? I didnt, wonder how he wormed around the fact yesterday was a clusterfuck by the ref

      Yep, he basically said it was sh*t reffing but he understood why " low foot bullshit"  on the Kane mong challenge
      However on the Jota peno he quoted  "I think it was a penalty. When I was a boy, I was taught as a forward to get in front of the defender and that's what he's done. Somebody said yesterday that it wasn't given because he stopped, but surely you're easing up to get your balance to strike the ball"

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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #396: Dec 20, 2021 08:37:07 pm
      Yep, he basically said it was sh*t reffing but he understood why " low foot bullshit"  on the Kane mong challenge
      However on the Jota peno he quoted  "I think it was a penalty. When I was a boy, I was taught as a forward to get in front of the defender and that's what he's done. Somebody said yesterday that it wasn't given because he stopped, but surely you're easing up to get your balance to strike the ball"



      The thing is Diogo never stopped, he slowed to protect the ball and steady himself to shoot. Ive never heard such a crazy excuse given
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      Reply #397: Dec 20, 2021 09:36:50 pm
      The thing is Diogo never stopped, he slowed to protect the ball and steady himself to shoot. Ive never heard such a crazy excuse given

      You can't make this stuff up, oh wait the premier league's finest can
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #398: Dec 20, 2021 09:38:35 pm
      Referring from the Italian league in the seventys
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      Reply #399: Dec 20, 2021 09:50:20 pm
      Referring from the Italian league in the seventys

      No var back then, so we all know how easy they had it

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