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      VAR has to go

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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #375: Jun 05, 2021 06:14:24 pm
      Unpopular opinion.

      I think VAR was noticeably better in the second half of this season than it was last season and the first half of this season. The calls are treated quicker (not all the time but most of the time) and the refs are invited to go and check it for themselves on the monitor more often. However, the problems remain the same and they are, as far as I'm concerned, more related to stupid rules and how the refs are told they have to apply them than VAR itself.

      The armpit hair offsides are a joke and the rule should be changed or the VAR officials should be given different instructions in terms of how the rule is interpreted. Same goes for the handballs (although I feel like I've seen less of those recently). 

      Realistically, I don't see FIFA, UEFA or the leagues backtracking on VAR and so it is here to stay. I think the rules and/or their interpretations should be changed in a way to make VAR a smoother and less ridiculous experience.

      A simple answer to the armpit hair offsides is, the lines drawn across the pitch to determine THE STRIKERS POSITION, could be made wider so theres a bit of flexibility. That would go along with the 'if they are in line, they are onside'. Toes, elbows, armpit hair, half a knee, a slice of shoulder. These minute differences could be given the benefit of the doubt if that line was scaled to be 100mm wide. Anything over that would be unchallenged as there would be a clear margin. 3mm off side is a joke.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #376: Jun 05, 2021 10:33:46 pm
      Simply bin VAR !
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #377: Jun 08, 2021 03:59:37 pm
      Quote from ToshackKeeganOneNil
      The technology is not fit for purpose as it stands. Camera speeds too slow to truly and accurately capture offsides. However the main issue for me is the muppets controlling it. They're clueless on the pitch so why should that change when in a padded cell with lot's of screens? I think the incident that most annoyed me was Brighton's late, late penalty at their gaff. How many times after that did you see them intruding into play in that fashion?

      They're not there to intrude into play, they're there to step in when the ref on the pitch has missed something, or in the case of offside, given the wrong decision. At the rate of 1 intervention every 2.9 league games, they only step in when they have to.

      It gives me no joy to say it but the incident you speak of, was a penalty. I've only ever heard LFC fans object to it which I fully understand, but once a ref sees that, a penalty will be given on any pitch any day of the week. When the ref hasn't seen it at the time, the VAR then has a job to do. Sure I was disappointed with it, but when you know the rules, then you can't argue with the decision.

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      Stats can be used to prove anything.

      Take a quick poll now from the footballing support in the Premier League alone the majority would tell you VAR is f**king crap and destroying the passion most of us love the game for.

      That poll has been done as well, but we don't need one to know what they think, plus it's asking the wrong audience. Whether you want it or not, the fact is it's here, it has a job to do and it's making a difference. The PGMOL/PL stats are ultimately what matter. 97% v 85% correct decisions show that VAR is essential, so that every goal and every point won is on merit, and that you're not robbed of a result by a clear and obvious case of human error.

      Quote from L4.19Times
      Shouldn’t should it, in fact it didn’t, I decided ages ago and very, very quickly

      I’ll go with the passion and release that football has always been
      Not a robotic boring interpretation that var is

      It’s sh*te, f**k it off

      Well the last part can't happen so it's pointless you and others saying so.

      In the South American WCQ, VAR is being used to help determine who qualifies and who doesn't. In the European ones, there is no technology used at all, which results in outrageous injustices such as in Serbia v Portugal so far, with more of them on the way.

      Last year, we had to go to Shrewsbury in the cup. 2-0 up and managing the game, they get a penalty for a challenge outside the area. That's not passion, that's a disgrace. With no VAR available, they got their penalty, their pitch invasion and their replay. In the replay itself, they score a ghost goal because someone was miles offside in the build up. We had VAR though so it could be disallowed, justice was done, we went on to win it 1-0, and it was panic over.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #378: Jun 08, 2021 04:06:20 pm
      They're not there to intrude into play, they're there to step in when the ref on the pitch has missed something, or in the case of offside, given the wrong decision. At the rate of 1 intervention every 2.9 league games, they only step in when they have to.

      It gives me no joy to say it but the incident you speak of, was a penalty. I've only ever heard LFC fans object to it which I fully understand, but once a ref sees that, a penalty will be given on any pitch any day of the week. When the ref hasn't seen it at the time, the VAR then has a job to do. Sure I was disappointed with it, but when you know the rules, then you can't argue with the decision.

      That poll has been done as well, but we don't need one to know what they think, plus it's asking the wrong audience. Whether you want it or not, the fact is it's here, it has a job to do and it's making a difference. The PGMOL/PL stats are ultimately what matter. 97% v 85% correct decisions show that VAR is essential, so that every goal and every point won is on merit, and that you're not robbed of a result by a clear and obvious case of human error.

      Well the last part can't happen so it's pointless you and others saying so.

      In the South American WCQ, VAR is being used to help determine who qualifies and who doesn't. In the European ones, there is no technology used at all, which results in outrageous injustices such as in Serbia v Portugal so far, with more of them on the way.

      Last year, we had to go to Shrewsbury in the cup. 2-0 up and managing the game, they get a penalty for a challenge outside the area. That's not passion, that's a disgrace. With no VAR available, they got their penalty, their pitch invasion and their replay. In the replay itself, they score a ghost goal because someone was miles offside in the build up. We had VAR though so it could be disallowed, justice was done, we went on to win it 1-0, and it was panic over.

      It’s sh*te

      Ruining the game

      Simple

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