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      UncleBob
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #350: Apr 25, 2021 02:18:33 pm
      What if they're not arsed and can't be bothered with the hassle so settle for a tv pundit job instead?

      Then give VaR responsibilities to the public. A public vote. That’ll do it.
      You could press the red button on your remote for a foul. The green button for a non foul. Maybe even phone a friend.
      HUYTON RED
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #351: Apr 25, 2021 02:54:45 pm
      Then give VaR responsibilities to the public. A public vote. That’ll do it.
      You could press the red button on your remote for a foul. The green button for a non foul. Maybe even phone a friend.

      Half the public are f**king idiots, take the election for example!!
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #352: Apr 27, 2021 08:36:30 pm
      I see Balbuena's red for hammers against chelski has been rescinded, correctly in my opinion but the bellend VAR official should be struck off, never even a foul! Who knows what the result would have been without that incompetence
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #353: Apr 27, 2021 08:55:45 pm
      I see Balbuena's red for hammers against chelski has been rescinded, correctly in my opinion but the bellend VAR official should be struck off, never even a foul! Who knows what the result would have been without that incompetence

       That's typical VAR, they have time to study what happens and still the decisions are debatable, so with all the delays and dubious decisions we might as well be without it and enjoy the game as it flows
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #354: May 01, 2021 09:07:19 am
      Another shocker last night clearly won the ball and keeper getting the ball anyway zero common sense
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #355: May 24, 2021 08:52:27 pm
      On my telephone here, I'll post the stats list in the tweet thread tomorrow but here's tweet number 1.

      https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1396841267749851136?s=19
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #356: May 24, 2021 10:14:36 pm
      Var is so called refs in a room, who answers to nobody, and that gives them power to determine how a game goes.  They have the tech with lines, but can they follow the lines, like a well trained linesman can? . they would need a camera every metre across the line.  Everything apart from from fouls is moot
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #357: May 24, 2021 10:21:37 pm
      the Ref watch on Sky is a joke .He clearly knows every rule in the book but has no love or idea of what football is about
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #358: Jun 03, 2021 03:57:50 pm
      According to the latest figures from the EPL, there were 129 VAR decisions during the season. The good news is that correct decisions in our league have shot up from 85% without VAR, to 97% with VAR. Armed with those figures, it's up to other leagues in England (and elsewhere) to decide how long they want to persist with refs getting 15% of major decisions wrong, during the season.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #359: Jun 03, 2021 04:05:38 pm
      According to the latest figures from the EPL, there were 129 VAR decisions during the season. The good news is that correct decisions in our league have shot up from 85% without VAR, to 97% with VAR. Armed with those figures, it's up to other leagues in England (and elsewhere) to decide how long they want to persist with refs getting 15% of major decisions wrong, during the season.

      Hopefully forever

      I’ll take 15% (if it’s that high) as a cost of not ruining the game
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #360: Jun 03, 2021 04:16:07 pm
      According to the latest figures from the EPL, there were 129 VAR decisions during the season. The good news is that correct decisions in our league have shot up from 85% without VAR, to 97% with VAR. Armed with those figures, it's up to other leagues in England (and elsewhere) to decide how long they want to persist with refs getting 15% of major decisions wrong, during the season.


      Are you sure you don’t have shares in it ?
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #361: Jun 03, 2021 05:12:38 pm
      Hopefully forever

      I’ll take 15% (if it’s that high) as a cost of not ruining the game

      Yep, if they are going to use VAR they need to use it right for starters and secondly figure out a way to not kill the vibe when you think your team has scored. It’s ridiculous now that goals that appear to be good to the naked eye then get looked at for 5 minutes and called off.
      L4.19Times
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      Reply #362: Jun 03, 2021 05:25:09 pm
      Yep, if they are going to use VAR they need to use it right for starters and secondly figure out a way to not kill the vibe when you think your team has scored. It’s ridiculous now that goals that appear to be good to the naked eye then get looked at for 5 minutes and called off.

      I won’t ever forgive it for the Henderson goal in the derby

      Never
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #363: Jun 03, 2021 07:04:40 pm
      Hopefully forever

      I’ll take 15% (if it’s that high) as a cost of not ruining the game

      Me too, I was all for it at the beginning  :f_doh: not anymore.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #364: Jun 03, 2021 07:29:37 pm
      Said it before ‘f**k it right off’.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #365: Jun 03, 2021 10:55:59 pm
      Quote from FL Red
      Yep, if they are going to use VAR they need to use it right for starters and secondly figure out a way to not kill the vibe when you think your team has scored. It’s ridiculous now that goals that appear to be good to the naked eye then get looked at for 5 minutes and called off.

      There's no "if". It's here. Every goal must be checked, but the vast majority stand. In the past 2 seasons, almost all our goals that didn't stand were for offside. We had just one red card, a straight red for Allison for handball outside the area. We had a goal given by VAR, because of a shoulder. Before VAR, it would be ruled out for a non existent handball, and we would have dropped two points.

      Quote from L4.19Times
      I’ll take 15% (if it’s that high) as a cost of not ruining the game

      The official Premier League stats say so. 15% of wrong decisions without VAR, means a lot of them in other leagues, and a lot of upset players/staff/management. I'm sure they would have preferred to wait a minute or two longer to get the correct decision. Mistakes ruin the game, as they always have done.

      If you have a system available where you can get 97% correct decisions, over a notorious  error prone method that gets just 85% correct, then it shouldn't take too long to decide what you should go with.
      « Last Edit: Jun 04, 2021 12:57:04 am by lfc across the water »
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #366: Jun 04, 2021 07:05:07 am
      There's no "if". It's here. Every goal must be checked, but the vast majority stand. In the past 2 seasons, almost all our goals that didn't stand were for offside. We had just one red card, a straight red for Allison for handball outside the area. We had a goal given by VAR, because of a shoulder. Before VAR, it would be ruled out for a non existent handball, and we would have dropped two points.

      The official Premier League stats say so. 15% of wrong decisions without VAR, means a lot of them in other leagues, and a lot of upset players/staff/management. I'm sure they would have preferred to wait a minute or two longer to get the correct decision. Mistakes ruin the game, as they always have done.

      If you have a system available where you can get 97% correct decisions, over a notorious  error prone method that gets just 85% correct, then it shouldn't take too long to decide what you should go with.

      Shouldn’t should it, in fact it didn’t, I decided ages ago and very, very quickly

      I’ll go with the passion and release that football has always been
      Not a robotic boring interpretation that var is

      It’s sh*te, f**k it off
      « Last Edit: Jun 04, 2021 07:16:45 am by L4.19Times »
      ToshackKeeganOneNil
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #367: Jun 04, 2021 10:34:52 am
      The technology is not fit for purpose as it stands. Camera speeds too slow to truly and accurately capture offsides. However the main issue for me is the muppets controlling it. They're clueless on the pitch so why should that change when in a padded cell with lot's of screens? I think the incident that most annoyed me was Brighton's late, late penalty at their gaff. How many times after that did you see them intruding into play in that fashion?
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #368: Jun 05, 2021 02:31:53 pm
      There's no "if". It's here. Every goal must be checked, but the vast majority stand. In the past 2 seasons, almost all our goals that didn't stand were for offside. We had just one red card, a straight red for Allison for handball outside the area. We had a goal given by VAR, because of a shoulder. Before VAR, it would be ruled out for a non existent handball, and we would have dropped two points.

      The official Premier League stats say so. 15% of wrong decisions without VAR, means a lot of them in other leagues, and a lot of upset players/staff/management. I'm sure they would have preferred to wait a minute or two longer to get the correct decision. Mistakes ruin the game, as they always have done.

      If you have a system available where you can get 97% correct decisions, over a notorious  error prone method that gets just 85% correct, then it shouldn't take too long to decide what you should go with.

      Stats can be used to prove anything.

      Take a quick poll now from the footballing support in the Premier League alone the majority would tell you VAR is f**king crap and destroying the passion most of us love the game for.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #369: Jun 05, 2021 04:11:32 pm
      Unpopular opinion.

      I think VAR was noticeably better in the second half of this season than it was last season and the first half of this season. The calls are treated quicker (not all the time but most of the time) and the refs are invited to go and check it for themselves on the monitor more often. However, the problems remain the same and they are, as far as I'm concerned, more related to stupid rules and how the refs are told they have to apply them than VAR itself.

      The armpit hair offsides are a joke and the rule should be changed or the VAR officials should be given different instructions in terms of how the rule is interpreted. Same goes for the handballs (although I feel like I've seen less of those recently). 

      Realistically, I don't see FIFA, UEFA or the leagues backtracking on VAR and so it is here to stay. I think the rules and/or their interpretations should be changed in a way to make VAR a smoother and less ridiculous experience.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #370: Jun 05, 2021 06:14:24 pm
      Unpopular opinion.

      I think VAR was noticeably better in the second half of this season than it was last season and the first half of this season. The calls are treated quicker (not all the time but most of the time) and the refs are invited to go and check it for themselves on the monitor more often. However, the problems remain the same and they are, as far as I'm concerned, more related to stupid rules and how the refs are told they have to apply them than VAR itself.

      The armpit hair offsides are a joke and the rule should be changed or the VAR officials should be given different instructions in terms of how the rule is interpreted. Same goes for the handballs (although I feel like I've seen less of those recently). 

      Realistically, I don't see FIFA, UEFA or the leagues backtracking on VAR and so it is here to stay. I think the rules and/or their interpretations should be changed in a way to make VAR a smoother and less ridiculous experience.

      A simple answer to the armpit hair offsides is, the lines drawn across the pitch to determine THE STRIKERS POSITION, could be made wider so theres a bit of flexibility. That would go along with the 'if they are in line, they are onside'. Toes, elbows, armpit hair, half a knee, a slice of shoulder. These minute differences could be given the benefit of the doubt if that line was scaled to be 100mm wide. Anything over that would be unchallenged as there would be a clear margin. 3mm off side is a joke.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #371: Jun 05, 2021 10:33:46 pm
      Simply bin VAR !
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #372: Jun 08, 2021 03:59:37 pm
      Quote from ToshackKeeganOneNil
      The technology is not fit for purpose as it stands. Camera speeds too slow to truly and accurately capture offsides. However the main issue for me is the muppets controlling it. They're clueless on the pitch so why should that change when in a padded cell with lot's of screens? I think the incident that most annoyed me was Brighton's late, late penalty at their gaff. How many times after that did you see them intruding into play in that fashion?

      They're not there to intrude into play, they're there to step in when the ref on the pitch has missed something, or in the case of offside, given the wrong decision. At the rate of 1 intervention every 2.9 league games, they only step in when they have to.

      It gives me no joy to say it but the incident you speak of, was a penalty. I've only ever heard LFC fans object to it which I fully understand, but once a ref sees that, a penalty will be given on any pitch any day of the week. When the ref hasn't seen it at the time, the VAR then has a job to do. Sure I was disappointed with it, but when you know the rules, then you can't argue with the decision.

      Quote from HUYTON RED
      Stats can be used to prove anything.

      Take a quick poll now from the footballing support in the Premier League alone the majority would tell you VAR is f**king crap and destroying the passion most of us love the game for.

      That poll has been done as well, but we don't need one to know what they think, plus it's asking the wrong audience. Whether you want it or not, the fact is it's here, it has a job to do and it's making a difference. The PGMOL/PL stats are ultimately what matter. 97% v 85% correct decisions show that VAR is essential, so that every goal and every point won is on merit, and that you're not robbed of a result by a clear and obvious case of human error.

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      Shouldn’t should it, in fact it didn’t, I decided ages ago and very, very quickly

      I’ll go with the passion and release that football has always been
      Not a robotic boring interpretation that var is

      It’s sh*te, f**k it off

      Well the last part can't happen so it's pointless you and others saying so.

      In the South American WCQ, VAR is being used to help determine who qualifies and who doesn't. In the European ones, there is no technology used at all, which results in outrageous injustices such as in Serbia v Portugal so far, with more of them on the way.

      Last year, we had to go to Shrewsbury in the cup. 2-0 up and managing the game, they get a penalty for a challenge outside the area. That's not passion, that's a disgrace. With no VAR available, they got their penalty, their pitch invasion and their replay. In the replay itself, they score a ghost goal because someone was miles offside in the build up. We had VAR though so it could be disallowed, justice was done, we went on to win it 1-0, and it was panic over.
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #373: Jun 08, 2021 04:06:20 pm
      They're not there to intrude into play, they're there to step in when the ref on the pitch has missed something, or in the case of offside, given the wrong decision. At the rate of 1 intervention every 2.9 league games, they only step in when they have to.

      It gives me no joy to say it but the incident you speak of, was a penalty. I've only ever heard LFC fans object to it which I fully understand, but once a ref sees that, a penalty will be given on any pitch any day of the week. When the ref hasn't seen it at the time, the VAR then has a job to do. Sure I was disappointed with it, but when you know the rules, then you can't argue with the decision.

      That poll has been done as well, but we don't need one to know what they think, plus it's asking the wrong audience. Whether you want it or not, the fact is it's here, it has a job to do and it's making a difference. The PGMOL/PL stats are ultimately what matter. 97% v 85% correct decisions show that VAR is essential, so that every goal and every point won is on merit, and that you're not robbed of a result by a clear and obvious case of human error.

      Well the last part can't happen so it's pointless you and others saying so.

      In the South American WCQ, VAR is being used to help determine who qualifies and who doesn't. In the European ones, there is no technology used at all, which results in outrageous injustices such as in Serbia v Portugal so far, with more of them on the way.

      Last year, we had to go to Shrewsbury in the cup. 2-0 up and managing the game, they get a penalty for a challenge outside the area. That's not passion, that's a disgrace. With no VAR available, they got their penalty, their pitch invasion and their replay. In the replay itself, they score a ghost goal because someone was miles offside in the build up. We had VAR though so it could be disallowed, justice was done, we went on to win it 1-0, and it was panic over.

      It’s sh*te

      Ruining the game

      Simple
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      Re: VAR has to go
      Reply #374: Jul 05, 2021 05:29:08 am
      Come on Del boy yer don't think there is  match fixing going on. The game isn't 100% clean, maybe a player can be got at.But not an entire team. A ref couldn't guarantee a fix, they have power but not the power to force or guarantee a result.

      the Prem is the most transparently fixed professional league i have ever seen

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