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      Robby The Z
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      NOW you're gonna believe...Where We Go From Here
      Oct 18, 2020 08:37:08 am
      I work overnights in the States and have been thinking about the game for the past 18 hours (After thinking off and on for a week beforehand).

      I'm trying to get over just being mad about everything, but it's difficult. We definitely were screwed, hosed, ripped off big time. It was like a pro wrestling screwjob only there's not a script everyone is following.

      Then you have the fact that our world class defender and maybe our world class midfielder are facing long-term injuries, with our world class goalkeeper already out. It's like what happened to Mo in Kiev, only it keeps happening.

      You know it's bad when even Jürgen is grinding his teeth about it. He rightfully said how wrong it is, from a personal conduct perspective AND from a system perspective (VAR).

      All of this is true, but now we have a season to play and trophies to win. That we were wronged today will not help us to win things. We have to move on and in the words of our uniform sponsors: Just Do It.

      The team played some great football today and in every way deserved to win against the league leaders. We created chances and controlled proceedings for a good 70 minutes of the match. We had a goalkeeping error and a defending error, but at times our football was breathtaking. I especially liked how we dug deep after they had equalized and created a winner (which was then stolen from us). And that is where we must go from here. we've been screwed but we will now show the heart and mentality of champions. Players will step up into the spaces vacated by the injured, and we will be in a much different kind of title fight this year.

      It will be a famous win, for different reasons from last season.
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      Reply #1: Oct 18, 2020 09:51:23 am
      Each player must redouble their efforts in every game, compensating for our injury woes. Only time will tell over the coming months and games, whether the squad is strong enough to hang on to being champions. It will be a huge test for the strength and depth of our squad of players. We should be ok after all we are Liverpool !
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      Reply #2: Oct 18, 2020 10:11:03 am
      Yesterday a game changer if the rumours are true with VVD. Your just not the same side ( IMO) without him.  Amazing how one player can change things in a club due to how special he is. He's just the complete package.
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      Reply #3: Oct 18, 2020 10:39:32 am
      Yesterday a game changer if the rumours are true with VVD. Your just not the same side ( IMO) without him.  Amazing how one player can change things in a club due to how special he is. He's just the complete package.

      We've been leaking goals with him too the last few weeks but he's a massive loss as he is a leader on the pitch which is especially important when Hendo isn't playing.

      We won't be the same but we have the quality and the best manager to adapt to this situation. We will need to sign a CB in January though if his injury is long term which will be tricky.
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      Reply #4: Oct 18, 2020 10:45:09 am

      We won't be the same but we have the quality and the best manager to adapt to this situation. We will need to sign a CB in January though if his injury is long term which will be tricky.

      As you know a few teams in for a top CB including ourselves so every chance we will go head to head in the January window. However, know how our lot perform in transfer windows you'll get there before us anyway.  :f_doh:
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      Reply #5: Oct 18, 2020 11:26:28 am
      We have achieved our long term goal. We have arrived. Time to relax.
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      Reply #6: Oct 18, 2020 11:26:35 am
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      Reply #8: Oct 18, 2020 11:33:17 am
      Adrian in Goals, Matip and Gomez centre halves, Gini in midfield. Trust in your players. We're not in dire straits just yet. VD, Tiago ans Allison are big loses, but we still have a team better than most.
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      Reply #9: Oct 18, 2020 11:53:58 am
      Have to remember we dominated WITHOUT Virgil so while we all know we'll miss him we have to remain positive. We do have a problem with the high ball in the area without VVD and Gomez and Matip have to step up their game.
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      Reply #10: Oct 18, 2020 11:59:13 am
      Have to remember we dominated WITHOUT Virgil so while we all know we'll miss him we have to remain positive. We do have a problem with the high ball in the area without VVD and Gomez and Matip have to step up their game.

      I agree, let’s expect to concede a lot more but let’s throw the kitchen sink at everyone and f**king out score them, 2017 style
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      Reply #11: Oct 18, 2020 12:01:32 pm
      Need Ali back sharpish . Quite clearly going to be a massive loss but Joe and Joel need to step up to the plate until Jan when pretty sure a signing would be made probably  a loan . Can Matip stay fit until Jan would be very surprised which would mean disruption to midfield which makes Thiagos signing even more crucial when people where questioning whether we needed another midfielder
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      Reply #12: Oct 18, 2020 03:30:40 pm
      It puts us in a real bind depth wise with such a busy schedule coming up. Not just is Van Dijk a fantastic player, he is out there basically every single game and now we are down to 2 fragile CB's (Matip / Gomez) as our starters and only Fabinho as an experienced option.

      With 4 games in the next week and a half it will be a really hard test for our defense. Doesn't help that we need to go into every game knowing we need to score at least 2 goals to win since Adrian will have his daily gaffe. He truly is an horrible goalie.

      Expecting the likely news of long-term absence by VVD i imagine we will be busy working on deals for the January window. Not sure if there are any free agents out there that we could sign as depth stop gap.
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      Reply #13: Oct 18, 2020 03:46:23 pm
      I love Klopp to bits but I'm really not happy with him keeping Adrian at the club. Adrian was worth a gamble and he did alright at the start of last season but he pretty much cost us our European title last year we'd have only needed to win 3 games for number 7 after covid and league was sewn up, Karius made a big error in a big game and never played competitively for us again the same should have happened with Adrian.
      Look, I'm not enjoying ripping into people but the guy isn't good enough for LFC it's not his fault but it is Jurgens tbh.
      Peor Reina just went to Lazio as back up, Asmir Begovic was back at Milan last year, Jesus surely we should have better back up, it's costing us and will continue costing us big time.
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      Reply #14: Oct 18, 2020 03:53:13 pm
      I love Klopp to bits but I'm really not happy with him keeping Adrian at the club. Adrian was worth a gamble and he did alright at the start of last season but he pretty much cost us our European title last year we'd have only needed to win 3 games for number 7 after covid and league was sewn up, Karius made a big error in a big game and never played competitively for us again the same should have happened with Adrian.
      Look, I'm not enjoying ripping into people but the guy isn't good enough for LFC it's not his fault but it is Jurgens tbh.
      Peor Reina just went to Lazio as back up, Asmir Begovic was back at Milan last year, Jesus surely we should have better back up, it's costing us and will continue costing us big time.

      Agree on Adrian. Not sure what the love is with him that he gets to stay with the team. When's the last time we had a starting/backup goalie this bad?

      Ripping Migs and Karius was/is the cool thing to do, but neither of them was as bad as Adrian has been after his initial cinderella story.
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      Reply #15: Oct 18, 2020 04:18:10 pm
      Just posted it in the Firmino thread but I think it’s time to move Bobby into midfield, and give Jota the CF role.

      He’ll track back, not give the opposition a second on the ball, and has a telepathic connection with Mane and Salah now, and I believe he has the ability to ping some decent passes down to them.
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      Reply #16: Oct 18, 2020 04:23:33 pm
      Just posted it in the Firmino thread but I think it’s time to move Bobby into midfield, and give Jota the CF role.

      He’ll track back, not give the opposition a second on the ball, and has a telepathic connection with Mane and Salah now, and I believe he has the ability to ping some decent passes down to them.

      Maybe mate we could try Bobby a bit deeper but I think Keita or Minamino are better options in this position.

      For me Bobby needs to be dropped for a couple of games as he doesn't look up to it right now.
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      Reply #17: Oct 18, 2020 04:26:02 pm
      Agree on Adrian. Not sure what the love is with him that he gets to stay with the team. When's the last time we had a starting/backup goalie this bad?

      Ripping Migs and Karius was/is the cool thing to do, but neither of them was as bad as Adrian has been after his initial cinderella story.

      Karius and Mignolet are equally as sh*t as Adrian.

      We should have signed Butland in the Summer he's far better than all of them as a backup.
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      Reply #18: Oct 18, 2020 04:32:27 pm
      Karius and Mignolet are equally as sh*t as Adrian.

      We should have signed Butland in the Summer he's far better than all of them as a backup.

      Obviously haven't Buckland play for a while
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      Reply #19: Oct 18, 2020 04:33:01 pm
      Just posted it in the Firmino thread but I think it’s time to move Bobby into midfield, and give Jota the CF role.

      He’ll track back, not give the opposition a second on the ball, and has a telepathic connection with Mane and Salah now, and I believe he has the ability to ping some decent passes down to them.

      Midfield instead of who ?
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      Reply #20: Oct 18, 2020 04:43:57 pm
      If Thiago is out maybe it’s time to try a Hendo and Fabinho with Bobby in front in the CAM role?
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      Reply #21: Oct 18, 2020 04:45:54 pm
      Maybe mate we could try Bobby a bit deeper but I think Keita or Minamino are better options in this position.

      For me Bobby needs to be dropped for a couple of games as he doesn't look up to it right now.
      Yeah I agree but I think now would be a good time to give it a try, maybe even for 30 mins at the end of games... I’d love to see how he would be there and there’s only one way to find out I guess.
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      Reply #22: Oct 18, 2020 05:05:47 pm
      We should have signed “whoever is at the top of his game right now” because Adrian is “no longer at the top of his game.”
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      Reply #23: Oct 18, 2020 05:21:25 pm
      I think the aim is the title really. Realistically now top 3 though. Aim for the sky and all that. We will concede lots of goals from crosses with players bullying Gomez l, corners will now be a big problem again as they were before Virgil came in.

      Also I'd expect Trent and Robbo to stay back a little more to help the centre halves out a little. Basically a few more goals against and a few less goals for.

      The keeper situation is not nice but perhaps we can wing that for a month. Van Dijk for the season? That's a killer really.

      Lots to play for but yesterday was a total car crash in the end. Feel worse than after Villa about it.
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      Reply #24: Oct 18, 2020 06:01:35 pm
      Adrian in Goals, Matip and Gomez centre halves, Gini in midfield. Trust in your players. We're not in dire straits just yet. VD, Tiago ans Allison are big loses, but we still have a team better than most.

      This is exactly true but no way now we have the best team now. Well on for top 4 but a league title shot not for me.
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      Reply #25: Oct 18, 2020 06:34:01 pm
      If Thiago is out maybe it’s time to try a Hendo and Fabinho with Bobby in front in the CAM role?

      Rather give shaq a game tbh, just don't see klopp going there with gini and keira around
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      Reply #26: Oct 18, 2020 06:37:19 pm
      With Virgil out Fabinho effectively becomes our third CB, until further notice, hopefully Thiago stays fit but we have plenty of options in midfield.

      I still think we are a very very good side, even with Adrian in goal and Virgil off we beat a v good Everton, if not for a bullshit VAR call.
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      Reply #27: Oct 18, 2020 06:41:28 pm
      No one's running away with the league this year so we will definitely have a chance to repeat but need Alisson back promptly and get Adrian the f**k out of the net. Not sure if we can sign anyone on a free at the moment but for sure we will be getting defensive reinforcements in January. 
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      Reply #28: Oct 18, 2020 07:50:53 pm
      This really isn't about lineups and transfers. There are plenty of threads to debate that.

      The question before is what will the team's mentality be (AND, what mindset will the supporters have). The battle is going to be fierce - are we up to it despite some difficult setbacks?

      Let's show some fight and get behind the team we have. It isn't changing betweeen now and January and probably not then either.

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      Reply #29: Oct 18, 2020 08:11:58 pm
      It will be difficult with VVD. Maybe we can get a centre back in January. We will see.
      But we have won champions leagues with worse teams than the one we have now. Traore. Smicer. Baros. None of them would get anywhere near our team.
      And leagues have been won with far worse teams than ours. Leicester being one. United had many seasons of finishing above teams with better squads.
      We can still have a successful season.

      Our fixtures in the league until January are reasonable.
      Sheff Utd (H)
      West Ham (H)
      Man City (A)
      Leicester (H)
      Brighton (A)
      Wolves (H)
      Fulham (A)
      Tottenham (H)
      Palace (A)
      WBA (H)
      Newcastle (A)

      I think 7 wins 2 draws and 2 defeats would still leave us in a good position.
      So I’m not giving up yet!
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      Reply #30: Oct 18, 2020 08:46:51 pm
      This will rally the troops. I think every member of our squad will be fully focused on every game ahead now, not that they would be unfocused, but their is a chance that some llayers go into some games at 90% but with VVD season ended as it has I think Jürgen will use that to get 100% level from every player in the dressing room...

      That man has been epic for us...imagine what the other players think of him, the respect they would have for him.....They will be determined to do it for him...starting Wednesday in his homeland
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      Reply #31: Oct 18, 2020 08:49:54 pm
      Is Billy (billy the kid) close to coming to the first team, heard he really impressed Klopp during pre-season. Looks like a big kid, only 18 I think.
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      Reply #32: Oct 18, 2020 08:55:59 pm
      Is Billy (billy the kid) close to coming to the first team, heard he really impressed Klopp during pre-season. Looks like a big kid, only 18 I think.

      Wouldn't of thought so unless no other option FA cup maybe
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      Reply #33: Oct 18, 2020 10:05:34 pm
      Is Billy (billy the kid) close to coming to the first team, heard he really impressed Klopp during pre-season. Looks like a big kid, only 18 I think.

      Haven't seen him in the first team training videos lately and he didn't play with the U23s or the U18s yesterday, so he may be injured as well. Rhys Williams is next in line I believe.

      Nat Phillips is also still in the squad. He's 24 and played a season at Stuttgart.

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      Reply #34: Oct 18, 2020 10:19:34 pm
      I’m thinking it will be Joe and Matip until one gets injured, then Fsb will drop back and Rhys Williams will be on the bench.
      The rest as usual as long as Thiago makes it.
      Hendo Fab and Thiago
      Or Gini for Thiago if he’s still sore !
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      Reply #35: Oct 18, 2020 10:26:16 pm
      I’m thinking it will be Joe and Matip until one gets injured, then Fsb will drop back and Rhys Williams will be on the bench.
      The rest as usual as long as Thiago makes it.
      Hendo Fab and Thiago
      Or Gini for Thiago if he’s still sore !

      yeah i'm hoping no news (compared to Virgil) is good news where Thiago is concerned.

      If so, when you look back at that tackle Thiago is a very lucky boy indeed. Totally reckless and maybe even premeditated on Richarlison's part. He was even angry at our team afterward for some reason. Awful.

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      Reply #36: Oct 18, 2020 10:41:04 pm
      yeah i'm hoping no news (compared to Virgil) is good news where Thiago is concerned.

      If so, when you look back at that tackle Thiago is a very lucky boy indeed. Totally reckless and maybe even premeditated on Richarlison's part. He was even angry at our team afterward for some reason. Awful.



      Still laugh that James was telling Oliver to go to var about it
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      Reply #37: Oct 18, 2020 11:04:50 pm
      There’s no window dressing this unfortunately. It’s been a dreadful couple of weeks. A shell shock of a defeat vs Villa, screwed by VAR and just lost our most important game player (by far) for the season. Makes it tougher that it has happened not long after the window has shut and you have to question the decision not to bolster at CB with Lovren leaving the club. Maybe I’ll feel more positive but right now I feel pretty low.
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      Reply #38: Oct 19, 2020 12:01:00 am
      Massive blow. Just got to regroup and knuckle down.Those who play at the back will need to stand up and be counted. Going to be much harder than last season obviously. VVD made it all work at the back. Sick.
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      Reply #39: Oct 20, 2020 11:12:55 am
      If it wasn't for the injury records of Joe and Joel then I wouldn't really be too concerned, but as it is we need to do two things, one is to get Nat Phillips of Rhys Williams into the first team setup as 4th choice CB and also get them playing some minutes here and there.
      The other question is whether to have Fabinho as back up or to start playing him as CB until further notice alongside whoever is available from Joe or Joel. He'll be a loss to the midfield but I think Hendo, Gini and Thiago can compensate well.
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      Reply #40: Oct 20, 2020 12:17:40 pm
      If it wasn't for the injury records of Joe and Joel then I wouldn't really be too concerned, but as it is we need to do two things, one is to get Nat Phillips of Rhys Williams into the first team setup as 4th choice CB and also get them playing some minutes here and there.
      The other question is whether to have Fabinho as back up or to start playing him as CB until further notice alongside whoever is available from Joe or Joel. He'll be a loss to the midfield but I think Hendo, Gini and Thiago can compensate well.

      For me I think we have to go with Gomez and Matip with one of the young players on the bench and try and get them some minutes to ease them into first team football more.

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