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      Is it Empathy, Sympathy or What ?

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      Re: Is it Empathy, Sympathy or What ?
      Reply #25: Nov 07, 2020 12:36:45 pm
      Back on topic, even though I was enjoying the to- and fro of the debate across the Atlantic!  Whatever else, the world should be a safer place without Trumpster in the White House. 

      Regarding the minute's silence thing:

      Who decides when/why we do the minute's silence/clap/black armbands etc?  What criteria are used? 

      Its all part of the public relations to show a 'human side' of the Premier League and win the sympathy vote from all and sundry.
      The Prem corporate fat cats love to rob everyone blind for what for most of us is almost a physical need (to support, watch, love, celebrate, be with people, become invested).  They feel they have to show us they care from time to time, I reckon.  Its good marketing.

      Look at any corporate website or marketing campaign these days and you'll see every possible token gesture nod towards any current news and social-media-worthy issue from gender, to race, to the environment.  It's all bollocks.  Oil companies say they're as GREEN as the Anfield grass while they destroy the planet.  The BBC claims to represent all minorities while being 90% white male middle class southerner led. 



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      Reply #26: Nov 08, 2020 09:49:07 am
      Sorry to say but I think we are ruled by the media - if a public figure or anyone else who has been in the media warrants it, suddenly we take comfort in taking time to honour them.. there are too many people who deserve to have this honour and the shocking truth can be seen by the absence of those who are not remembered 😔

      I think we have to find a way to honour everyone, or don’t just stop honouring anyone. harsh but that’s my opinion unfortunately
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      Reply #27: Nov 22, 2020 07:06:38 pm
      Ray Clemence pre match today

      Totally appropriate and deserved.
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      Reply #28: Nov 23, 2020 08:34:26 pm
      I’m sure not many Liverpool Dane of the same era as Clem, needed the media corp to show their respect to the great man. I know I didn’t. And when the corporate fat cats suggest we wear black arm bands, take the knee, hold minutes silence or a minutes applause. I look on and often think, WTF is that all about ?
      I make my own decisions on what and who I show respect, and for why. I done need anyone to tell me what should be done, because that happens to be their opinion.
      May be that’s why I’ve worked for myself all my life, can’t be doing with being ordered to do stuff I don’t agree with, but do it to safeguard my job.
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      Reply #29: Nov 25, 2020 06:33:28 pm
      RIP to  a great footballer ... but are we going to see applause / silence for Maradona ?

      We'll see.
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      Reply #30: Nov 28, 2020 10:48:45 am
      RIP to  a great footballer ... but are we going to see applause / silence for Maradona ?

      We'll see.

      Yes.

      European games this week

      Toon v Palace last night. Maradona and The Knee.

      Today  Reds v Brighton will be the same.... and the rest of the Premier league.

      WHY ?

      Any connection with the UK clubs ? No.

      Maradona has admitted over the years that he scored against England with his hand and when he saw the the linesman plus ref hadn't seen it he celebrated to con them.
      So we are pre match celebrating a self admitted South American cheat.


      Luis got hung out to dry over Evra and slammed for his goal line hand ball for Uruguay.
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      Reply #31: Dec 07, 2020 04:52:48 pm
      Hadn't realised that that the other English leagues weren't undertaking The Knee.

      Why still the premiership?

      Is it because it is televised around the world so it makes us look p.c.?

      Call me cynical.
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      Reply #32: Dec 07, 2020 08:25:01 pm
      Hadn't realised that that the other English leagues weren't undertaking The Knee.

      Why still the premiership?

      Is it because it is televised around the world so it makes us look p.c.?

      Call me cynical.

      The thing I don’t get about it is that it’s compulsary. I’m all for equality and such like, but why don’t we mix it about. One week take the knee to highlight racism. Next week all lie down to support Palestine. Week after all clap to support homosexuals. Week after do something else to support mental health. Then start again.
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      Reply #33: Dec 07, 2020 08:59:29 pm
      Quote from MIRO
      Hadn't realised that that the other English leagues weren't undertaking The Knee.

      Why still the premiership?

      Is it because it is televised around the world so it makes us look p.c.?

      Call me cynical.

      None of the other major leagues are going through the chore before every game. Even countries where racism and rights issues are much more serious issues than in England.

      6 months it's been going on now. What has it achieved?
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      Reply #34: Dec 07, 2020 09:57:40 pm
      So Millwall fans boo the taking of the knee, and are railed as racist. No respect for BLM. What about freedom of choice. If you don't wish to take the knee, that doesn't brand you as racist, only in the eyes of the likes of Sterling, Hamilton, Dion Dublin etc. A couple of my best mates used to go and support Millwall when they lived in the area. That was their team. Including all the scrapping and abuse. They're Black ! So what are they gonna do with the Black guys who boo taking the knee ?
      It's run its course, its not having any impact any more, Its served its purpose, FFS Move on. If anything, its now having a negative effect.
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      Reply #35: Dec 07, 2020 10:38:11 pm
      So Millwall fans boo the taking of the knee, and are railed as racist. No respect for BLM. What about freedom of choice. If you don't wish to take the knee, that doesn't brand you as racist, only in the eyes of the likes of Sterling, Hamilton, Dion Dublin etc. A couple of my best mates used to go and support Millwall when they lived in the area. That was their team. Including all the scrapping and abuse. They're Black ! So what are they gonna do with the Black guys who boo taking the knee ?
      It's run its course, its not having any impact any more, Its served its purpose, FFS Move on. If anything, its now having a negative effect.


      I'm in agreement, I don't support the movement of BLM (( against some of their policy's ))  but against racism yet many will see that I'm being racist.   :f_steam: Which is total bullshit. I think/feel many footballers bullied into kneeling fearing repercussions from social media.

      Catch 22 for so many of us but worse for those in the public eye.
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      Reply #36: Dec 08, 2020 05:37:38 am
      It may seem pointless to you guys, taking the knee, and you may feel it has run its course, that’s your opinion and you are entitled to it, but I think the point their trying to get across is to keep it going and that racism needs to be stamped out totally,

      I’ve said this before, if it was to stop suddenly then the fear is that once again such statements or action against the racists would fade and eventually nothing would seem to be getting done about it, continuing to take the knee is simply sustaining that racism of any form is or won’t be tolerated, it doesn’t cost you anything it shouldn’t bother you in any way, and it only takes a few seconds, so what is the problem?





      I’m slightly more concerned that ((Keith)) has to use double brackets to emphasise a point he’s making,
      (( what’s all that about)) Keith ? 🤪



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      Reply #37: Dec 08, 2020 05:57:28 am
      I'm in agreement, I don't support the movement of BLM (( against some of their policy's ))  but against racism yet many will see that I'm being racist.   :f_steam: Which is total bullshit. I think/feel many footballers bullied into kneeling fearing repercussions from social media.

      Catch 22 for so many of us but worse for those in the public eye.

      When the kneeling began, I thought it was stated that it was in opposition to racism per se, rather than in support of BLM as an organization (because of some of those policies).

      When it stops (kneeling) I expect some statement about, "we've tried to make our point and don't want to lose impact, but we will continue to look for real actions to fight racism."
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      Reply #38: Dec 08, 2020 04:24:40 pm
      It may seem pointless to you guys, taking the knee, and you may feel it has run its course, that’s your opinion and you are entitled to it, but I think the point their trying to get across is to keep it going and that racism needs to be stamped out totally,

      I’ve said this before, if it was to stop suddenly then the fear is that once again such statements or action against the racists would fade and eventually nothing would seem to be getting done about it, continuing to take the knee is simply sustaining that racism of any form is or won’t be tolerated, it doesn’t cost you anything it shouldn’t bother you in any way, and it only takes a few seconds, so what is the problem?





      I’m slightly more concerned that ((Keith)) has to use double brackets to emphasise a point he’s making,
      (( what’s all that about)) Keith ? 🤪



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      Basically Billy one example of the BLM policy is to defund the police force, well I'll never be for that mate.
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      Reply #39: Dec 31, 2020 07:35:27 pm
      So

      The acid test .

      Don't want to be disrespectful but.......

      Are we and all the Premier League expected to  have a minute's silence or a clap for Tommy Docherty ?

      We'll see.


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      Reply #40: Dec 31, 2020 08:14:35 pm
      So

      The acid test .

      Don't want to be disrespectful but.......

      Are we and all the Premier League expected to  have a minute's silence or a clap for Tommy Docherty ?

      We'll see.

      Did all the other clubs/grounds have a minute's applause for Houllier?
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      Reply #41: Dec 31, 2020 09:30:08 pm
      I live in the US and I'm a cop, so in a lot of ways I get looked eyed all kinds of cross from some of you guys. I see where you said the US is dysfunctional, and I don't know if I agree. I think most people think we are because that's what the mainstream media say. But the media is sh*t, plain and simple. They paint the country as 2 different sides, and most people don't adhere to that. Most people I know could give a f**k about the left or the right, or defunding the police, or socialism, etc. Most people around here in Central VA  don't care if your black or white , or police, of gay or straight. Life is too busy for that and generally people are bigger than that. They have COVID to deal with, and money to think about. Their kids have sports and they need to pick something up for dinner. The typical person is just trying to get by, not in a miltia or ANTIFA

      I work narcotics, so I'm detached in personal experience on what a road cops life has been like the past 10 months, but all my guys tell me people have been cool and understanding. Granted I live in Central VA, a few hours away from a major city. Still, people know who we are as people and don't judge us by the acts of the few. The George Floyd situation was awful, it doesn't take a cop or a rocket scientist to see that. Unfortunately there are bad apples in every walk of life, but when a cop is bad its even worse because of the consequences being so dire.

      Unfortunately it was an electon year though, and so many things were spun to fit a political narrative. I do agree that hopefully things will calm down here and around the world now that it is over. It sickens me to see the media try to divide a country for personal gain. But they've all used Covid 19 to fit their agenda, sooo. I would like to see teams get away from kneeling before each game as imo all it does is keep the discussion alive when it was way more complicated then it was painted out to be.

      Just my two cents
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      Reply #42: Dec 31, 2020 11:06:13 pm
      Always have believed people should be treated with the same respect as they treat you, in any walk of life. I have always felt that way and am fortunate to have many good friends. I believe taking the knee has run it's course and we need to move on.
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      Reply #43: Jan 01, 2021 02:01:09 am
      Any thing that annoys racists keep taking the knee!
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      Reply #44: Jan 01, 2021 04:38:40 am
      So

      The acid test .

      Don't want to be disrespectful but.......

      Are we and all the Premier League expected to  have a minute's silence or a clap for Tommy Docherty ?

      We'll see.




      Not sure why all clubs would do it but certainly the ones he's been associated with...
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      Reply #45: Jan 01, 2021 04:57:11 am
      Not sure why all clubs would do it but certainly the ones he's been associated with...

      Blanket rule these days.

      Not like it's an issue, players and officials only clapping, not like there's any fans allowed in at the moment!
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      Reply #46: Jan 01, 2021 07:50:27 am
      Not sure why all clubs would do it but certainly the ones he's been associated with...





      Yes, that would be fitting, good old fashioned manager was the ‘Doc’ knew how to get the best out of his players, not one you messed with he was giving out the hair dryer treatment way before Fergie ever did, condolences to his family.

      RIP Tommy
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      Reply #47: Jan 01, 2021 10:00:37 am
      I live in the US and I'm a cop, so in a lot of ways I get looked eyed all kinds of cross from some of you guys. I see where you said the US is dysfunctional, and I don't know if I agree. I think most people think we are because that's what the mainstream media say. But the media is sh*t, plain and simple. They paint the country as 2 different sides, and most people don't adhere to that. Most people I know could give a f**k about the left or the right, or defunding the police, or socialism, etc. Most people around here in Central VA  don't care if your black or white , or police, of gay or straight. Life is too busy for that and generally people are bigger than that. They have COVID to deal with, and money to think about. Their kids have sports and they need to pick something up for dinner. The typical person is just trying to get by, not in a miltia or ANTIFA

      I work narcotics, so I'm detached in personal experience on what a road cops life has been like the past 10 months, but all my guys tell me people have been cool and understanding. Granted I live in Central VA, a few hours away from a major city. Still, people know who we are as people and don't judge us by the acts of the few. The George Floyd situation was awful, it doesn't take a cop or a rocket scientist to see that. Unfortunately there are bad apples in every walk of life, but when a cop is bad its even worse because of the consequences being so dire.

      Unfortunately it was an electon year though, and so many things were spun to fit a political narrative. I do agree that hopefully things will calm down here and around the world now that it is over. It sickens me to see the media try to divide a country for personal gain. But they've all used Covid 19 to fit their agenda, sooo. I would like to see teams get away from kneeling before each game as imo all it does is keep the discussion alive when it was way more complicated then it was painted out to be.

      Just my two cents

      Very relevant especially what you say about the political spin .

      Your last sentence makes a lot of sense.

      Good Post !
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      Reply #48: Jan 01, 2021 11:40:16 am
      I live in the US and I'm a cop, so in a lot of ways I get looked eyed all kinds of cross from some of you guys. I see where you said the US is dysfunctional, and I don't know if I agree. I think most people think we are because that's what the mainstream media say. But the media is sh*t, plain and simple. They paint the country as 2 different sides, and most people don't adhere to that. Most people I know could give a f**k about the left or the right, or defunding the police, or socialism, etc. Most people around here in Central VA  don't care if your black or white , or police, of gay or straight. Life is too busy for that and generally people are bigger than that. They have COVID to deal with, and money to think about. Their kids have sports and they need to pick something up for dinner. The typical person is just trying to get by, not in a miltia or ANTIFA

      I work narcotics, so I'm detached in personal experience on what a road cops life has been like the past 10 months, but all my guys tell me people have been cool and understanding. Granted I live in Central VA, a few hours away from a major city. Still, people know who we are as people and don't judge us by the acts of the few. The George Floyd situation was awful, it doesn't take a cop or a rocket scientist to see that. Unfortunately there are bad apples in every walk of life, but when a cop is bad its even worse because of the consequences being so dire.

      Unfortunately it was an electon year though, and so many things were spun to fit a political narrative. I do agree that hopefully things will calm down here and around the world now that it is over. It sickens me to see the media try to divide a country for personal gain. But they've all used Covid 19 to fit their agenda, sooo. I would like to see teams get away from kneeling before each game as imo all it does is keep the discussion alive when it was way more complicated then it was painted out to be.

      Just my two cents

      It's a bloody good two cents too. They use to say money is the root of all evil as I grew up, don't know if that's the case where you live. However, in my opinion it's now changed. Social media is the root of all evil.

      Great post and actually tells more of what actually is going on and not listening to the tw*ts in the media telling us otherwise.
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      Reply #49: Jan 02, 2021 12:33:52 pm
      I take a knee every time I use a vending machine or get on a bus. and just when I am about to be served at Asda I take a knee. And I feel it’s important to take a knee each time the postman knocks on my door.
      When children point at me in the street and ask their folks what I am doing I am sure they are getting into discussion about race equality and social injustice.

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