Would success this season make this the clubs greatest side ever?

If this squad of players retain the title or go on to win another European cup is it fair to say they will be the clubs greatest ever side?

The previous 2 league seasons were frighteningin points tally and lack of defeats. In that time we were crowned world, European andv English champions.

But give the fact that we have had injuries to 14 players this season  a few of them long term, probable season enders, would repeating either of thos success push this side to the top of the pile?

For me its not a big squad. Its backboned by a lot of young inexperienced players so its not as if we have 2 full internationals covering every position

I wouldn't like to say the greatest ever as I'm sure there are many other contenders for that, but certainly in the last 30 odd years without a doubt.. the stats say it all!

If this squad of players retain the title or go on to win another European cup is it fair to say they will be the clubs greatest ever side?

The previous 2 league seasons were frighteningin points tally and lack of defeats. In that time we were crowned world, European andv English champions.

But give the fact that we have had injuries to 14 players this season  a few of them long term, probable season enders, would repeating either of thos success push this side to the top of the pile?

For me its not a big squad. Its backboned by a lot of young inexperienced players so its not as if we have 2 full internationals covering every position

Come on man! I love this team and title this year will of course elevate their standing in club history, but look what this group accomplished re trophies:
Premier League: 1975–76, 1976–77, 1978–79, 1979–80, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84.
European Cup: 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984.
UEFA Cup: 1976
League Cup: 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984,

Of course there was some turnover on the roster from beginning to end. Maybe it's better to say 1979 to 1984 to have a more consistent lineup, but even then it's such a strong of successes, you'd have to say the current group still has some work to do to be compared.

We're talking "best ever" - it takes nothing away from what the current group has accomplished, but when you look at that roughly 10-year period, oh my GOSH I don't think we'll ever see it again from anyone (but it will be fun to try).

Come on man! I love this team and title this year will of course elevate their standing in club history, but look what this group accomplished re trophies:
Premier League: 1975–76, 1976–77, 1978–79, 1979–80, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84.
European Cup: 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984.
UEFA Cup: 1976
League Cup: 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984,

Of course there was some turnover on the roster from beginning to end. Maybe it's better to say 1979 to 1984 to have a more consistent lineup, but even then it's such a strong of successes, you'd have to say the current group still has some work to do to be compared.

We're talking "best ever" - it takes nothing away from what the current group has accomplished, but when you look at that roughly 10-year period, oh my GOSH I don't think we'll ever see it again from anyone (but it will be fun to try).

Were you born then Robbie when you had all that success 

Come on man! I love this team and title this year will of course elevate their standing in club history, but look what this group accomplished re trophies:
Premier League: 1975–76, 1976–77, 1978–79, 1979–80, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84.
European Cup: 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984.
UEFA Cup: 1976
League Cup: 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984,

Of course there was some turnover on the roster from beginning to end. Maybe it's better to say 1979 to 1984 to have a more consistent lineup, but even then it's such a strong of successes, you'd have to say the current group still has some work to do to be compared.

We're talking "best ever" - it takes nothing away from what the current group has accomplished, but when you look at that roughly 10-year period, oh my GOSH I don't think we'll ever see it again from anyone (but it will be fun to try).

Its not underplaying what those teams did. God knows what I think of them, I grew up on them.

Im saying consider we go on to win one of the big 2. We have already had 14 injuries to 1st teamers 8 games in. Sone bad ones and some long term ones. Were down now to looking at youngsters to hold our backline together.

Were up against an animal that the 80d team didnt face in city and the cash backing them, a team hitting 100 points in a season or clode to it a few times.

In 81 we finished 5th losing 8. In 82 we won it losing 7. 83 won it losing 8 and won it in 4 losing 6. This squad have lost a total of 9 in 3 seasons. They have been a phenom. That alone must drain them.

This is why I ask if they win the league again or the European cup, given the loss of players after the 3 immense seasons prior does it elevate them to the top? Im not saying its fact but weigh up the varuous factors and then decide.....In 84 fir example we had internationals not getting into the subs never mind the pitch. At the moment people are discussing if Billy Koumetio comes in beside Rhys Williams in the defence, while Neco plays right full!

Its not underplaying what those teams did. God knows what I think of them, I grew up on them.

Im saying consider we go on to win one of the big 2. We have already had 14 injuries to 1st teamers 8 games in. Sone bad ones and some long term ones. Were down now to looking at youngsters to hold our backline together.

Were up against an animal that the 80d team didnt face in city and the cash backing them, a team hitting 100 points in a season or clode to it a few times.

In 81 we finished 5th losing 8. In 82 we won it losing 7. 83 won it losing 8 and won it in 4 losing 6. This squad have lost a total of 9 in 3 seasons. They have been a phenom. That alone must drain them.

This is why I ask if they win the league again or the European cup, given the loss of players after the 3 immense seasons prior does it elevate them to the top? Im not saying its fact but weigh up the varuous factors and then decide.....In 84 fir example we had internationals not getting into the subs never mind the pitch. At the moment people are discussing if Billy Koumetio comes in beside Rhys Williams in the defence, while Neco plays right full!

I see. it seems like you are caught between best single season squad or best era. But I won't belabor the point.

Were you born then Robbie when you had all that success 

The early 80s is when I first became familiar with and started following football from over here. Back then it was BBC World Service and Times of London newspaper articles. Some English and Singaporean students at my uni turned me on to it. At that point Liverpool were the strongest, but I didn't really fall in love with the club until my first visit to the city in the late 90s.

Of course by then we were suffering through...the United years.

I see. it seems like you are caught between best single season squad or best era. But I won't belabor the point.

How would it be a single season squad if they win back to back leagues or a 2nd European cup in 3 years?

The early 80s is when I first became familiar with and started following football from over here. Back then it was BBC World Service and Times of London newspaper articles. Some English and Singaporean students at my uni turned me on to it. At that point Liverpool were the strongest, but I didn't really fall in love with the club until my first visit to the city in the late 90s.

Of course by then we were suffering through...the United years.

Don't worry I had to go through your glory years too 

It would certainly be a notable achievement, for a side with so many injuries to hold on to the league title and win the champions league. Although to say that would make them the greatest ever side is debatable. Older fans like myself can well remember how Liverpool dominated football notably in the seventies and eighties with their success domestically and in europe.                                                                                                                 

Like I say it is very difficult to draw comparison, especially for younger fans, although this makes for a very interesting topic to debate.

How would it be a single season squad if they win back to back leagues or a 2nd European cup in 3 years?

It seemed in your reply you were basing it on what the team does this season as determining if it is the best of all time. (adding that to what they've done last year and the year before, I guess.

At any rate, I'd look at those teams' accomplishments as being greater even if we accomplish what you mention in your OP. This is a fantastic team of course, I'd just give those  teams the edge.

It seemed in your reply you were basing it on what the team does this season as determining if it is the best of all time. (adding that to what they've done last year and the year before, I guess.

At any rate, I'd look at those teams' accomplishments as being greater even if we accomplish what you mention in your OP. This is a fantastic team of course, I'd just give those  teams the edge.

No apologies im saying should we add one of the big 2 trophies this season with the run of injuries on top of what the squad achieved in the past 2 seasons and the efforts that took to achieve would it make them the clubs best.

When you break it down, for me, its a small enough squad. So rarely looses games. I in no way want to detract from what my heroed of days gone by done but I do think a discussion is there if this team achieved success this season......Goalkeeper, centre halfs and centre mids all gone at various times or the same time.....We can only guess but how would the 84 treble winners have faired losing Brucie, Hansen, Lawro, Souness for a large chunk of games together?

If we continue to fight irrespetive of our injury crisis.

Not sure about best ever just yet, but following the injury pile up we’ve had, and is clearly still on going, if we win anything this season, it won’t be so much mentality monsters, but more F***ing miracle workers.
But you know what......
We’re still the team to beat 👊🏻

Don't worry I had to go through your glory years too 

Seemingly the pain not forgotten, even with all your success under Ferguson, take care Keith

It is the club's greatest ever side


and that's why they'll have success this season.

I think already this is one of the club's greatest ever sides and the only thing holding it back from many declaring so is longevity and more trophies which I think will follow in the next few seasons.

If we win the league again this season against all odds given the high number of defensive injuries and competitive clubs, then yes it will be the greatest Liverpool team of all time in my opinion.

I think it's difficult to pick out one side over another ultimately in our history, because we have had such a rich and successful one,to suggest this one or Bob's juggernaut or Kenny's conquerors is better than the other is splitting hairs and ultimately almost impossible truth be told. Different times, football isnt the same game really that it was in the late 70s or the late 80s, its evolved and so have we.

We are blessed, we are lucky

What I will say though is this is an unbelievable side, we are so fortunate to witness it and what I'd like to focus on is the key component in it in my opinion and someone I just want to pay tribute to and say thank you

Jürgen Norbert Klopp

Not only is the man a man we should all want to be like, he is caring, liberal, trustworthy, kind, sensible and honest but he has done something that many have failed to do before him and the longer it went on the harder it became

He put us back on our f**king perch

That's not something to be sniffed at, many before him have tried and not succeeded, many men I respect and in some cases in awe of. The list is long.
Souey
Evo
Houllier
Rafa
Kenny
Brendan
All of those fall into one of those categories, I love some of those men, I respect others
They had success in their own rights, they took us close, some won really big titles, but none took it beyond that, none turned us into a consistent winning team others are scared of

Jürgen did

Jürgen has

Jürgen has taken on 30 years of strain on his back and with his big wonderful smile and his laid back persona he has delivered what others couldnt, hes brought us the title, the mountain has been breached, the weight lifted. But on the way to that hes made us kings of europe again, feared and respected the world over.. hes delivered the world club championship, something no other manager in our history could.. hes made us a destination for world class players rather than a stepping stone

We are lucky to have the man,and for me the reason Bri started this thread is down to him, hes the reason we can debate if this is the greatest ever liverpool side

Thanks Jürgen.. no matter what else follows in this clubs history you have cemented your place In it and you deserve to be spoken of as one of the most important men in the clubs story, in its history

So yes a relevant thread but I wanted to thank the man that's made the conversation valid

I think it's difficult to pick out one side over another ultimately in our history, because we have had such a rich and successful one,to suggest this one or Bob's juggernaut or Kenny's conquerors is better than the other is splitting hairs and ultimately almost impossible truth be told. Different times, football isnt the same game really that it was in the late 70s or the late 80s, its evolved and so have we.

We are blessed, we are lucky

What I will say though is this is an unbelievable side, we are so fortunate to witness it and what I'd like to focus on is the key component in it in my opinion and someone I just want to pay tribute to and say thank you

Jürgen Norbert Klopp

Not only is the man a man we should all want to be like, he is caring, liberal, trustworthy, kind, sensible and honest but he has done something that many have failed to do before him and the longer it went on the harder it became

He put us back on our f**king perch

That's not something to be sniffed at, many before him have tried and not succeeded, many men I respect and in some cases in awe of. The list is long.
Souey
Evo
Houllier
Rafa
Kenny
Brendan
All of those fall into one of those categories, I love some of those men, I respect others
They had success in their own rights, they took us close, some won really big titles, but none took it beyond that, none turned us into a consistent winning team others are scared of

Jürgen did

Jürgen has

Jürgen has taken on 30 years of strain on his back and with his big wonderful smile and his laid back persona he has delivered what others couldnt, hes brought us the title, the mountain has been breached, the weight lifted. But on the way to that hes made us kings of europe again, feared and respected the world over.. hes delivered the world club championship, something no other manager in our history could.. hes made us a destination for world class players rather than a stepping stone

We are lucky to have the man,and for me the reason Bri started this thread is down to him, hes the reason we can debate if this is the greatest ever liverpool side

Thanks Jürgen.. no matter what else follows in this clubs history you have cemented your place In it and you deserve to be spoken of as one of the most important men in the clubs story, in its history

So yes a relevant thread but I wanted to thank the man that's made the conversation valid

THIS ♤♤♤♤♤♤♤♤♤♤♤,


Cant say anything else than this, excellent post.


YNWA

In absolute terms: nope, not even close to the 70's and 80's teams.

In relative terms: yes, because PL/CL is MUCH more competitve today than back in the old days, so winning them once today can be valued as winning it 3 times back then.

Jürgen Norbert Klopp

Not only is the man a man we should all want to be like, he is caring, liberal, trustworthy, kind, sensible and honest but he has done something that many have failed to do before him and the longer it went on the harder it became

I know that this is being as ahole, but his predecessors didn't get the same funds to buy players (though you can say that they just didn't have his charisma to force it, so that it's basically his achievement). I remember Benitez always losing out on big targets because of no funds.

Don't worry I had to go through your glory years too 

The best is yet to come Keith  ........mu ha ha .   

I know that this is being as ahole, but his predecessors didn't get the same funds to buy players (though you can say that they just didn't have his charisma to force it, so that it's basically his achievement). I remember Benitez always losing out on big targets because of no funds.

Or a tit of a chief executive who thought he knew better.

The best is yet to come Keith  ........mu ha ha .   

No no no   

I regret the modern use of stats to back up opinion. There was that Sky assessment a few months ago discussing the best ever ( or since the 70's?) English side. They had a point system to cover three years, 3 for the European, three for League, 2 for Europa, 2 for the FA, 1 for the League Cup. Paisley 82 came out on top with Fergie's Ronaldo and Rooney side in second. But achievement is only half of greatness, you can't measure the poetry of a side, the beauty of the play. My favourite Liverpool side, my favourite ever domestic side is Kenny's 88. It was from another planet, light years ahead of everyone else and would have won at least two European Cups. I still remember the feeling I had when seeing that 4-0 against Forest.

. I still remember the feeling I had when seeing that 4-0 against Forest.

The 5-0 against Forest?

Did you switch off early?

The 5-0 against Forest?

Did you switch off early?

Hahaha I still think we beat Crystal Palace 8-0 cos my uncle decided we should get off a few minutes before the end of the game to "beat the traffic" as he was taking me with my Dad on nightshift in Fords

I wonder if Yurgen can achieve a similar trophy haul as Bob did, in a similar number of seasons ?

I wonder if Yurgen can achieve a similar trophy haul as Bob did, in a similar number of seasons ?

Don't think so, not over three seasons. Maybe if Kompany had not scored that freak goal when they beat us by a point, or the ball not crossing the line by a millimetre - fine lines. And we don't go for the domestic cups at all, the game is so athletic and intense now in comparison that it makes it almost impossible now for any one team to be dominant across all competitions. Not even City have managed that with all their state wealth and financial chicanery.

Think Jürgen Klopp will guide us to more silverware before he leaves the club !

I wonder if Yurgen can achieve a similar trophy haul as Bob did, in a similar number of seasons ?

Dunno about that Jerns, Six prem titles, Three CL’s, another Super cup, Jürgen not to enamoured about the league cup, similarly with the community trophy pish, all in the next 4 seasons, all with the congested fixture lists that will still exist, we’d need to have squad numbers in their 30’s to stand a chance not to mention the quality, can’t see it myself Jerns mate, nah, leave old Bob with his Greatest Ever manager title, he deserves that all to himself bless him.


RIP ‘Sir’Bob




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Simply No, the current team still have a hell of a long way to go to emulate the dominance of the teams in the 70's and 80's but they are a damned good team and I still think we'll win the league this season, maybe even CL.

Instead of trying to compare just appreciate the team, the play and success when it comes same way we always have.

It's been a while since we've had an aura like we do or been spoken about in the way this team/squad is talked about. Just enjoy it. 

The argument for me comes down to whether you think it was more difficult to win trophies in the 70s and 80s or nowadays.

Back then it was 2 points for a win. A draw was almost as valuable as a win. Plenty of teams were happy to play for a point making it very difficult. Europe was knockout too. If you had an off night then you were out. Nowadays you can lose plenty of games and still win it.

But now, money talks in football. If you don’t have it then you won’t compete. In the past 30 years you can count on one hand the different teams that have finished in the top four (other than the usual culprits). There aren’t many. The days of a team winning the league by grit, hard work and good management are long gone...Leicester being a very rare example. That probably won’t happen again in our life time. Proving just how hard it is to have success.

Chelsea, City, United in particular can go out and buy any player they like and buy as many as they like too. FFP turn a blind eye. If those clubs wanted, they could buy three international players for each position. So how are we supposed to compete with that? In the modern game you need a big squad. Injuries are more common because of the pace of the game now. The fixture lists are longer because of the amount of money in the game now.

The fact Liverpool haven’t only competed, but gone and won both the title and CL in recent years is honestly truly remarkable. Even now I don’t think Jürgen and the boys have been given enough credit. The job Klopp has done has been F***ing outstanding.

For me, what we achieved in the 70s and 80s under tougher layouts and structures was special. Truly special. But in my opinion it is much more difficult to have success in the modern game and therefore if we do go on and win more titles and european cups then this will go down not only as our best ever side, but the best side the country has ever seen.

The argument for me comes down to whether you think it was more difficult to win trophies in the 70s and 80s or nowadays.

Back then it was 2 points for a win. A draw was almost as valuable as a win. Plenty of teams were happy to play for a point making it very difficult. Europe was knockout too. If you had an off night then you were out. Nowadays you can lose plenty of games and still win it.

But now, money talks in football. If you don’t have it then you won’t compete. In the past 30 years you can count on one hand the different teams that have finished in the top four (other than the usual culprits). There aren’t many. The days of a team winning the league by grit, hard work and good management are long gone...Leicester being a very rare example. That probably won’t happen again in our life time. Proving just how hard it is to have success.

Chelsea, City, United in particular can go out and buy any player they like and buy as many as they like too. FFP turn a blind eye. If those clubs wanted, they could buy three international players for each position. So how are we supposed to compete with that? In the modern game you need a big squad. Injuries are more common because of the pace of the game now. The fixture lists are longer because of the amount of money in the game now.

The fact Liverpool haven’t only competed, but gone and won both the title and CL in recent years is honestly truly remarkable. Even now I don’t think Jürgen and the boys have been given enough credit. The job Klopp has done has been f**king outstanding.

For me, what we achieved in the 70s and 80s under tougher layouts and structures was special. Truly special. But in my opinion it is much more difficult to have success in the modern game and therefore if we do go on and win more titles and european cups then this will go down not only as our best ever side, but the best side the country has ever seen.

Yeah, agree with that.
It’s a different sport now. I think wining the European cup was a lot harder to qualify for then.