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      Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      heimdall
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #800: Jan 05, 2021 08:47:35 pm
      I read the match thread. Drama and histrionics is exactly it.

      Salah needs benching, Firmino is sh*t,, TAA has lost the plot, blah, blah, f**king blah.
      Heard it all before, literally hundreds of times.

      Something else I've heard so many times is "things need to change". Yeah, the very same things that saw us have one of the most successful periods in our history.
      So you've gone from "teams have worked us out", which of course is utter nonsense considering we've been playing the same way since Klopp got here, to "we need to change" a successful formula that brought us a first league title in decades.

      There's nothing magical about it.
      Players lose a bit of form, other teams are allowed to play well, sometimes we have a bad patch as all teams do.

      What you don't do is throw everything out, and start again.

      The tactical and positional tweaks are there every game for those who are able to see them, as are the in game formational changes.

      We lost our 2 starting defenders, and then our 3rd choice.
      F**k all anyone can do about that, and given our style of play, I doubt a new CB is going to slot in seamlessly and make everything better.

      Like I said; it's football, sh*t happens.
      You can either get over it and move on, or not.
      Your choice.
      I've already moved on.

      clearly you have not moved on hence why you are still in this thread you numpty.

      BTW please tell us about the genius tweaks Klopp made in between the draw to WBA at home and the loss to Southampton away, to me we played exactly the same in all three matches, tedious plodding attacks, utterly predictable and easily defended.
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #801: Jan 05, 2021 09:39:27 pm
      Coming from the guy who keeps telling someone to admit they're wrong because he doesn't agree with them, that's pretty rich.

      Keep thinking you're right pal, if it helps.
      A rabid desire to be right and tell others they're wrong is a wonderful trait to possess.

      Let's have a look shall we?

      You said teams "have sussed us out".
      So, you think some of the top managers in the world have spent nearly 300 games watching us, playing us, planning for us, and have only "sussed us out" in the last 3 matches.
      Clearly that's nonsense.
      Now you can hide behind "it's my opinion" all you want, but you and I both know it's a f**king cop out, and you just don't like the fact someone has pointed out how ridiculous it is to say that after nearly 300 matches, when we've lost and drawn plent of those.

      When we lost and drew before, was that not because other teams had "sussed us out", or was it for different reasons?
      If so, what were those reasons?

      People have been saying "other teams have sussed us out" since Klopp's first season.
      If that was really the case, we wouldn't have won anything, would we?

      We wouldn't have had record points totals, twice, and won trophies.

      This is not just disagreeing, it's pointing out something so obvious, you should really be embarrassed to have posted what you did.
      But no, instead of having a think about it, looking at reality and maybe changing your mind, you hide behind "it's my opinion".

      Now everyone who has spent more than 5 minutes on the internet knows what this actually means is "I know I'm wrong, but I'm going to keep hiding behind something so I don't have to admit it".
      Then instead of a friendly conversation, you start throwing out accusations of insults (there hasn't been any) and generally being a cock, because you simply cannot admit you got something wrong.

      In case you don't know, the same topic has been done to death by the wum plussing you.
      They do that to encourage you to keep up your obstinacy, because they delight in stirring the sh*t.
      He might have even sent you a message - that's his usual sh*t stirring MO.

      So it's really up to you if you want to go down that road of being used and manipulated by the forum wum.

      I'll stick to my guns when I know I'm in the right, the same as every other poster.

      Knowing you're clearly wrong, but refusing to admit it won't get you very far.

      Your choice.
      I have no issue sticking you on ignore along with the wum who thinks he's using you to do his dirty work for him, because he thinks he can get a rise that way.
      Again, your choice.

      Have a good evening.

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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #802: Jan 05, 2021 09:57:51 pm
      I still can’t get my head around how Jürgen kept two 6ft whatever, young centre halves in the shape of Williams and Phillips, on the bench for the whole 90 minutes.
      Southampton played a lot of young players who, quite frankly, dribbled rings around us, yet we didn’t allow our two promising young lads on the pitch and link up together, giving Fabs and Henderson the opportunity to shield them in midfield, where they belong.

      Oh and he replaces young Trent with pensioner Milner !! Do me a favour.

      Why also, did Jürgen play Minamino for the full 90 minutes when we annihilated Crystal Palace four games ago, yet has sat him on his arse since ?? WTF has the poor lad done? And to rub salt even more, he brings on Shaqiri instead, who we should’ve off loaded ages ago.

      It gonna be very interesting to see who starts against Villa in the cup ! Very interesting..

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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #803: Jan 05, 2021 10:32:14 pm
      I still can’t get my head around how Jürgen kept two 6ft whatever, young centre halves in the shape of Williams and Phillips, on the bench for the whole 90 minutes.
      Southampton played a lot of young players who, quite frankly, dribbled rings around us, yet we didn’t allow our two promising young lads on the pitch and link up together, giving Fabs and Henderson the opportunity to shield them in midfield, where they belong.

      Oh and he replaces young Trent with pensioner Milner !! Do me a favour.

      Why also, did Jürgen play Minamino for the full 90 minutes when we annihilated Crystal Palace four games ago, yet has sat him on his arse since ?? WTF has the poor lad done? And to rub salt even more, he brings on Shaqiri instead, who we should’ve off loaded ages ago.

      It gonna be very interesting to see who starts against Villa in the cup ! Very interesting..



      Klopp knows fuckall right... ( kisses teeth)..
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #804: Jan 05, 2021 10:41:03 pm
      I still can’t get my head around how Jürgen kept two 6ft whatever, young centre halves in the shape of Williams and Phillips, on the bench for the whole 90 minutes.
      Southampton played a lot of young players who, quite frankly, dribbled rings around us, yet we didn’t allow our two promising young lads on the pitch and link up together, giving Fabs and Henderson the opportunity to shield them in midfield, where they belong.

      Oh and he replaces young Trent with pensioner Milner !! Do me a favour.

      Why also, did Jürgen play Minamino for the full 90 minutes when we annihilated Crystal Palace four games ago, yet has sat him on his arse since ?? WTF has the poor lad done? And to rub salt even more, he brings on Shaqiri instead, who we should’ve off loaded ages ago.

      It gonna be very interesting to see who starts against Villa in the cup ! Very interesting..

      Pensioner Milner?show some respect for our vice captain, a very good player and he's one of the fittest of everyone in the whole squad,why when we lose and play bad do people come on the forum and have to be so disrespectful to our manager and players and other forum members who they don't agree with.
      6stringer
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #805: Jan 06, 2021 12:00:59 am
      Pensioner Milner?show some respect for our vice captain, a very good player and he's one of the fittest of everyone in the whole squad,why when we lose and play bad do people come on the forum and have to be so disrespectful to our manager and players and other forum members who they don't agree with.

      James Duracell Milner has had a great career however his time with us has/is within the twilight zone.(that’s not being disrespectful)
      I certainly wasn’t disrespectful in my post to our manager or any other member of this forum, so wind your f**king neck in !

      My point is that a certain Stuart Armstrong ran the midfield with his team mate Diallo and we couldn’t cope with them.
      Admittedly Armstrong is 28 but the majority of their team last night were young lads, keen to prove a point and their manager had faith in them and gave them the opportunity to play against the Champions.
      Yet we kept our two young centre halves along with a young right back cover(Williams) on the bench for the whole game.

      Rant over !!



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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #806: Jan 06, 2021 12:16:45 am
      I see a pot and a kettle fighting in this thread. Where's my popcorn. :D
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #807: Jan 06, 2021 08:05:26 am
      James Duracell Milner has had a great career however his time with us has/is within the twilight zone.(that’s not being disrespectful)
      I certainly wasn’t disrespectful in my post to our manager or any other member of this forum, so wind your f**king neck in !

      My point is that a certain Stuart Armstrong ran the midfield with his team mate Diallo and we couldn’t cope with them.
      Admittedly Armstrong is 28 but the majority of their team last night were young lads, keen to prove a point and their manager had faith in them and gave them the opportunity to play against the Champions.
      Yet we kept our two young centre halves along with a young right back cover(Williams) on the bench for the whole game.

      Rant over !!

      Calling our vice captain a pensioner is disrespectful,had you said he's in the twilight of his career as above then that's different,Milner's experience on reading the game and teaching our younger players how to look after yourself on and off the pitch,his influence in the dressing room,unbelievable fitness,his ability and flexibility to play in so many positions and is an asset to Jürgen and the team and i believe Jürgen will want to keep him at Anfield for as long as he is here on the coaching staff when he retires.

      In my post i didn't say you were disrespectful to our manager,i said in general on the forum some people are.
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #808: Jan 06, 2021 08:41:28 am

      In case you don't know, the same topic has been done to death by the wum plussing you.
      They do that to encourage you to keep up your obstinacy, because they delight in stirring the sh*t.
      He might have even sent you a message - that's his usual sh*t stirring MO.

      So it's really up to you if you want to go down that road of being used and manipulated by the forum wum.

      I have no issue sticking you on ignore along with the wum who thinks he's using you to do his dirty work for him, because he thinks he can get a rise that way.


      What are earth are you gibbering on about?
      You really, really need to let go of being determined to be proved right over the internet, it isn't a good look.

      Goodbye.
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #809: Jan 06, 2021 01:39:14 pm
      1 foul on Mo Salah in last 10 Liverpool PL games refereed by Andre Marriner

      Southampton 1/21 .. 0
      Fulham 12/20 .. 0
      Southampton 8/19 .. 0
      Newcastle 9/19 .. 0
      Watford 12/19 .. 0
      Chelsea 7/20 .. 0
      Chelsea 9/18 .. 0
      Arsenal 11/18 .. 0
      Burnley 3/19 .. 1
      Newcastle 5/19 .. 0

      Don't worry...no bias....

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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #810: Jan 06, 2021 04:07:24 pm
      1 foul on Mo Salah in last 10 Liverpool PL games refereed by Andre Marriner

      Southampton 1/21 .. 0
      Fulham 12/20 .. 0
      Southampton 8/19 .. 0
      Newcastle 9/19 .. 0
      Watford 12/19 .. 0
      Chelsea 7/20 .. 0
      Chelsea 9/18 .. 0
      Arsenal 11/18 .. 0
      Burnley 3/19 .. 1
      Newcastle 5/19 .. 0

      Don't worry...no bias....


      Further to that, stats from the last 3 matches indicate that either we're getting a raw deal from refs regarding fouls, or we're one of the dirtiest teams in the league for committing fouls.

      Against WBA, we had 78% possession & were fouled only 5 times, yet with their 22% of the ball, we fouled them 8 times.

      Similarly against Newcastle, 73% possession resulted in us getting 9 fouls, compared to 13 fouls committed by us during their 27% on the ball.

      The Saints match tells a similar tale, with 67% possession we only got 5 fouls compared to them getting 12 fouls for 33%.

      When you think back to the number of times Salah & Mane (in particular) have been pushed pulled & bundled off the ball the past 3 games, it's crazy how few fouls we've been given.

      When we are renowned for being top (or close to top) of the fair play league each season, the numbers above make no sense.

      Not implying we haven't been sub-par the past few matches, but we appear to have been officiated very harshly each time.
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #811: Jan 06, 2021 04:39:49 pm
      Further to that, stats from the last 3 matches indicate that either we're getting a raw deal from refs regarding fouls, or we're one of the dirtiest teams in the league for committing fouls.

      Against WBA, we had 78% possession & were fouled only 5 times, yet with their 22% of the ball, we fouled them 8 times.

      Similarly against Newcastle, 73% possession resulted in us getting 9 fouls, compared to 13 fouls committed by us during their 27% on the ball.

      The Saints match tells a similar tale, with 67% possession we only got 5 fouls compared to them getting 12 fouls for 33%.

      When you think back to the number of times Salah & Mane (in particular) have been pushed pulled & bundled off the ball the past 3 games, it's crazy how few fouls we've been given.

      When we are renowned for being top (or close to top) of the fair play league each season, the numbers above make no sense.

      Not implying we haven't been sub-par the past few matches, but we appear to have been officiated very harshly each time.

      I think the officiating has been on the whole dreadful for us this season. I don't mind if the ref is equally poor for both sides but there appears either some appalling lack of consistency and professionalism or outright contempt and bias. Thiago puts a soft hand on their player, foul and subsequent yellow card. Salah gets his head pulled off, nothing. Robbo gets his legs taken from under him, nothing, the angry jock gets up and gets retribution - yellow card.
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #812: Jan 06, 2021 05:23:48 pm
      I still can’t get my head around how Jürgen kept two 6ft whatever, young centre halves in the shape of Williams and Phillips, on the bench for the whole 90 minutes.

      I can't get me head around why guitarists choose to play a Bm7b5 in the key of F over the obvious chords.
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #813: Jan 06, 2021 08:16:43 pm
      I can't get me head around why guitarists choose to play a Bm7b5 in the key of F over the obvious chords.

       :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
      Good job I’m not a drummer !
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #814: Jan 07, 2021 12:01:32 am
      1 foul on Mo Salah in last 10 Liverpool PL games refereed by Andre Marriner

      Southampton 1/21 .. 0
      Fulham 12/20 .. 0
      Southampton 8/19 .. 0
      Newcastle 9/19 .. 0
      Watford 12/19 .. 0
      Chelsea 7/20 .. 0
      Chelsea 9/18 .. 0
      Arsenal 11/18 .. 0
      Burnley 3/19 .. 1
      Newcastle 5/19 .. 0

      Don't worry...no bias....


      Good research but put the chances away and clutching at straws doesn't become an issue.  Also it's becoming a bit of an issue that we don't have a plan B or C at the moment. Very disappointed that Mini not given a chance after Palace, his confidence must have been sky high but then dumped as though it didn't happen. I always thought the same to this day that the same happened to Marcovic at Sunderland. True reds will remember that he scored and then had a wonder scissor kick shot from 22 yards that hit the bar, he was then left out for the next game then never recovered. Hope same doesn't happen to Mini.
      Anyway, I share your frustration and agree we've been given a raw deal from refs but we can turn this around. Put it this way, I wouldn't like to play us.
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #815: Jan 07, 2021 07:31:55 am
      Hoping Friday is the day Klopp unveils his all new system and all new lineup to totally hoodwink the belatedly-brilliant Premier League managers who have discovered all of his secrets and undone him by...defending deep.

      We're just lucky nobody thought of this before, AND that heimdall is the possessor of this elite knowledge and able to explain it to all of us.

      I mean, you actually wrote the following on how Jürgen should do it:
      "The solution is surprisingly easy, it just requires trust, you need to take the shackles off your players and let them play a bit freer, for example let your midfield players run with the ball instead of following the instructions to pass it always to the fullback or lob it over the top. Another variation is to let the FB defend and trust your midfielders to do the attacking to punch through the middle as well as having the occasional attack from the flanks, at the moment its almost always from the flanks which makes it easy to defend against."

      Come on Jürgen! Buy in to the heimdall plan before its too late.
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #816: Jan 07, 2021 08:52:01 am
      Haven't posted in a while but i at least expected everybody to be happy seeing as we are currently the Premier League Champions!

      It's a COVID world at the moment and everything is strange, everything. Football isn't exempt from the weird things that are happening across the globe. We are having some bad luck but we are more than strong enough to lift the Title again, just a blip.

      Keep the faith, believe.

      A belated Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to one and all.

      Keep fighting (for our team, not within the confines of the forum  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:)!
      heimdall
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #817: Jan 07, 2021 09:38:39 am
      Further to that, stats from the last 3 matches indicate that either we're getting a raw deal from refs regarding fouls, or we're one of the dirtiest teams in the league for committing fouls.

      Against WBA, we had 78% possession & were fouled only 5 times, yet with their 22% of the ball, we fouled them 8 times.

      Similarly against Newcastle, 73% possession resulted in us getting 9 fouls, compared to 13 fouls committed by us during their 27% on the ball.

      The Saints match tells a similar tale, with 67% possession we only got 5 fouls compared to them getting 12 fouls for 33%.

      When you think back to the number of times Salah & Mane (in particular) have been pushed pulled & bundled off the ball the past 3 games, it's crazy how few fouls we've been given.

      When we are renowned for being top (or close to top) of the fair play league each season, the numbers above make no sense.

      Not implying we haven't been sub-par the past few matches, but we appear to have been officiated very harshly each time.

      Quite hard to foul the CB's when they are passing the ball amongst themselves though!
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #818: Jan 07, 2021 10:00:16 am
      Hoping Friday is the day Klopp unveils his all new system and all new lineup to totally hoodwink the belatedly-brilliant Premier League managers who have discovered all of his secrets and undone him by...defending deep.

      We're just lucky nobody thought of this before, AND that heimdall is the possessor of this elite knowledge and able to explain it to all of us.

      I mean, you actually wrote the following on how Jürgen should do it:
      "The solution is surprisingly easy, it just requires trust, you need to take the shackles off your players and let them play a bit freer, for example let your midfield players run with the ball instead of following the instructions to pass it always to the fullback or lob it over the top. Another variation is to let the FB defend and trust your midfielders to do the attacking to punch through the middle as well as having the occasional attack from the flanks, at the moment its almost always from the flanks which makes it easy to defend against."

      Come on Jürgen! Buy in to the heimdall plan before its too late.

      so what is your answer then beyond "trust the manager"? Oh and what part of my solution do you actually disagree with?
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #819: Jan 07, 2021 10:21:05 am
      We need to fight for every point and not to make the Manure take it from us.

      We need to fight our bad form, injury list and VAR etc.

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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #820: Jan 07, 2021 01:23:56 pm
      so what is your answer then beyond "trust the manager"? Oh and what part of my solution do you actually disagree with?

      Nope. Not bothering with it.

      I do trust the manager.
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #821: Jan 07, 2021 01:39:04 pm
      Quite hard to foul the CB's when they are passing the ball amongst themselves though!
      Right....cos we never touch the ball in opposition half do we?   :roll:
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #822: Jan 07, 2021 01:41:15 pm
      We need to fight for every point and not to make the Manure take it from us.

      We need to fight our bad form, injury list and VAR etc.



      I think the boys are fighting but at the moment there are to many players out of form,coming back from injuries and maybe some are not as fit as they should be(no proper preseason).We are not pressing as much as we did last season and teams are exploiting this,against Southampton in the first half if you didn't know which team was which you would have thought we were Southampton and vice versa,they pressed us everywhere on the pitch forcing errors and then second half just sat back and hit us on the break and we weren't good enough to break them down.We have to be more street wise and clever,if you are fouled then make the ref properly aware of this,get in his face so next time he might think twice and blow his whistle or consult VAR,instead we are to nice and Jürgen gets even more frustrated,Mane is an example against Newcastle his leg was held back,he didn't go down but didn't show any reaction to the ref,i don't think one player did,against Southampton was fouled numerous times and didn't get anything again no reaction to the ref just smiles and shakes of the head,it's like all the players think ah well we won't get anything anyway so why bother,the manc teams and spurs players are all over the ref when something goes against them,it's left to Jürgen at the end of the game which is pointless as nothing can change.Stop this nicey nicey approach as it never works,look at Kane he backs in to players and gets a foul everytime,Sterling falls over spectacularly and gets the foul everytime,Fernandes for united the same,make the ref make a decision by being vocal,last season Henderson,Virgil,Robbo,Fab,Mane were all vocal when the refs and VAR were being cu*ts and it mattered because we got some decisions but this season f all,city have been doing tactical fouls since Guardoila joined and still get away with it now because generally/lately he keeps quiet about the refs knowing it will make no difference,Jürgen does this season and it makes headlines for the wrong reasons even though Jürgen is right most of the time.We need that United game because the boys know they have to turn up as they are our biggest rivals and always have been since i was a kid even though they weren't challenging us for the league.There are still plenty of twists until the 23rd of May and i think City/United/spurs will likely get injuries to key players which has happened in previous seasons and our luck with injuries,VAR HAS to change surely fingers crossed so please Jürgen sign a CB or two to give us a better chance of retaining our PL trophy if not we will have to settle for big ears instead.
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #823: Jan 07, 2021 01:44:35 pm
      Right....cos we never touch the ball in opposition half do we?   :roll:

      I think what he's implying is that we are just keeping possession of the ball and not doing anything with it.
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      Re: Southampton 1-0 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #824: Jan 07, 2021 04:19:49 pm

      So there you go... there are things that you and I wouldn’t know. Let Jürgen play the way he wants to play because he knows more.

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