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      21 for 21
      Jan 11, 2021 04:17:23 pm
      With it being the 21st year of the 21st century I’ve compiled a list of the best 21 players at the club in that time.

      I’ve tried to be as fair as possible and judge only on standards and appearances made. I’ve counted only appearance made from he 2000/2001 season and goals scored from that season for players who played at that time. I’ve included goals scored and trophies won though I did not use these as determining factors in my selection. While its always easy to go to goal scorers or flair players I’ve tried to be as fair as possible to defenders, goalkeepers and “less attractive” midfielders.
      Based on the above I’ve omitted players like Robbie Fowler who though he was at the club at various times in the century I would have included him based on the heart more then the head had I done so. Finally, when I had my final 21 it was perhaps more difficult to position them within the list then it was to pick the 21 individuals so I’m not expecting agreement with my list …

      21: Emile Heskey. Appearances: 223. Goals:60. Trophies: 5.  Service: 5 years 
      Formed a formidable partnership with Michael Owen at the turn of the century. Had pace and power. Scored some important, and impressive goals without having a spectacular goal to game ratio. Important part of the team that won the treble and brought the club back into the ranks in Europe

      20: Phillipe Coutinho. Appearances: 201. Goals:54. Trophies: 0.  Service: 5 years 
      Won’t be the most popular choice on the list but he was a gem of a player. Scorer, and creator, of wonderful goals

      19: Didi Hamann. Appearances: 250. Goals: 10. Trophies: 8.  Service: 5 1/2 years 
      The big German was a bit of a surprise signing at the time but what a signing. His style is probably unfairly labelled as defensive midfielder. H e was well capable of getting forward, smart with the ball, and scored 1 or 2 belters. Complimented those around him really well

      18: Michael Owen. Appearances: 169. Goals: 98. Trophies: 5.  Service: 4 1/2 years 
      Like Coutinho this won’t be a popular shout as his circumstances for leaving and indeed where he ended up at one-point won’t endear him to the fans, but nobody can take away what he gave the club in his spell here. Between 98 and 02 arguable he was unplayable. Electrifying pace and a fantastic finisher. Arguable if the 2001 breakthrough happens without him. Shame he never had that second spell

      17: Lucas Leiva. Appearances: 346. Goals: 7. Trophies: 0.  Service: 10 years 
      The only negative about Lucas was that he was injured in 2012 to miss out on winning a well-deserved trophy for his spell at the club. Signed as an attacking midfielder it would be in the defensive midfield role that he would establish himself. After a difficult start to his career he would become a fan favourite. Hard working and honest. An adopted scouser.

      16: Dirk Kuyt. Appearances: 285. Goals: 71. Trophies: 1.  Service: 6 years 
      Like Lucas, Kuyty was a fan favourite through his sheer work rate and desire. Loved scoring a peno against the bitters to. The bigger the match the better Dirk Kuyt was

      15: Trent Alexander Arnold. Appearances: 153. Goals: 8. Trophies: 4.  Service: 4 1/2 years 
      Scary that a 20-year-old, and a full back at that, waltz’s into a place in the top 15 players in the Club over the last 21 years. So much potential. I wont comment too much on one with a whole career ahead of him other then to say when if I was to re do this list at 50 years, he would be much higher up the list.

      14: Alisson Becker: Appearances: 106. Goals: N/A. Trophies: 3.  Service: 2 1/2 years 
      Sander Westerveld, Jerzy Dudek, Pepe Reina, Chris Kirkland, Scott Carson, Simon Mignolet, all came in, all had qualities, but all had faults or mistakes in them, not this one. Arguably the best in the world at this point in time. History will show how vital he was to ending our wait for the title. He will be a reason we win more.

      13: Xabi Alonso:  Appearances: 210. Goals: 19. Trophies: 3. Service: 5 years 
      My favourite type of player. The one who see the pass that nobody else sees, and then executes it perfectly. Crazy to think Rafa was willing to trade him in for Gareth Barry. Alonso’s class in the middle-allowed Stevie to play a more attacking game, which reaped massive reward. Scored the equaliser in Istanbul in 05. Perhaps though the game where he showed his true worth was away at Juventus in the quarter final of that year. His first game back after a long injury lay off, and with Stevie out injured, he bossed it against a much fancied and very talented Juve. Showed his excellence at Real and Bayern which would have you wonder what more we could have achieved with him. Top player

      12: Fernando Torres: Appearances: 142. Goals: 81. Trophies: 0.  Service: 3 1/2 years   
      Speaks volumes of the impact he had that in a short enough spell which led to no trophies before leaving for Chelsea that I rate him at number 12. This guy was exceptional for his time here. Supreme finisher with explosive speed. Loved the sight of Vidic. From that opening goal v Chelsea he had me. Shame it ended the way it did.

      11: Roberto Firmino: Appearances: 269. Goals: 83. Trophies: 4.  Service: 5 1/2 years   
      While one or two on the list might raise an eyebrow Bobby being only 11 might do likewise! His past few months won’t go down as his best but what he brought before that and what he brings overall to this group can’t be overstated. Technically brilliant with great awareness of his teammates around him and his work rate for the team. Just a top top player

      10: Gini Wijnaldum: Appearances: 211. Goals: 21. Trophies: 4.  Service: 4 1/2 years   
      When he’s gone people will realise just how good this fella is. Just a total footballer. History will most likely remember him as scoring the 2 goals off the bench v Barcelona in 2019, but he is so much more then that

      9: Sami Hyppia:  Appearances: 418. Goals: 33. Trophies: 8.  Service: 9 1/2 years   
      His response to being told he was losing the captaincy to Stevie says all you need to know about this man. A true legend. A rock at the back and that was including times when he was surrounded by people who perhaps should never have been Liverpool players. If a list was compiled of all-time club bargains Sami would be a good shout for number 1. Class act in every way

      8: Andy Robertson: Appearances: 151. Goals: 5. Trophies: 4.  Service: 3 1/2 years   
      I was delighted we signed him. Not because I thought he would be as good as he is I simply thought at the price we paid we have gotten a good player who in time as we develop he will drop down the ranks and be a very good 2nd choice…..develop he did, into arguably the best left back in the game. Pure energy and will to win. I should probably use his assists rather than his goals scored for his stats. Proof that every Liverpool team should have a Scot in it   

      7: Luis Suarez: Appearances: 133. Goals: 82. Trophies: 1.  Service: 3 1/4 years   
      Genius. Flawed or otherwise. If I was any good Id have a video showing his goals. Just a different animal. For some he’s in the discussion with Kenny as our greatest ever ability wise and that probably best sums up how good he was.

      6: Jamie Carragher: Appearances: 629. Goals: 2. Trophies: 9.  Service: 13 years   
      Only Alisson has scored less goals then Carra (unless I include own goals!) But only Stevie G gave longer service, and don’t forget Carra predates 2000. Right back, centre back, left back, centre mid. Played them all, and played them all solidly. Probably the word that sums him up best, solid. When I think of Carra I think last ditch tackles v AC Milan in 05 so tired the tackle led to cramps, but he gets up and goes again. Vocal, a captain with no armband needed. When all is said and done and all time teams are picked hell probably miss out more often then not to Hansen and VVD but anyone who did select him wouldn’t be far wrong.

      5: Sadio Mane:  Appearances: 194. Goals: 90. Trophies: 4.  Service: 4 1/2 years 
      At number 5 is number 6 favourite current player. That’s some accolade. Another is that he’s the closest player to John Barnes we have seen. Nothing I can add to make him sound any better. World class

      4: Jordan Henderson:  Appearances: 384. Goals: 30. Trophies: 5.  Service: 9 1/2 years       
      Similar to Robbo, when we signed him, I thought yes good signing. But I didn’t see future captain who lifts the league to end the drought. And what a leader he has become. Another player who probably had to adapt his game over time, but he has become a top midfielder, reliable and an excellent leader. I do however think, like Gini, some will only realise just how important he is when he is no longer there   

      3: Mo Salah: Appearances: 177. Goals: 111. Trophies: 4.  Service: 3 1/2 years       
      Look at the goals to game return. Special. I admit, when we signed him my first reaction was, we don’t need him we have Sadio and we have Bobby and Coutinho and Sturridge. Man was my face red!! No matter what the future holds from this point on the impact of Mo Salah on Liverpool football club is massive

      2: Virgil Van Dijk: Appearances: 130. Goals: 13. Trophies: 4.  Service: 3 years       
      I mentioned a value for money list regarding our signings. Sami Hyppia would be high up on that list, but still behind Virgil Van Dijk. His impact while well regarded by everyone, is probably still underestimated. A phenom. Plays the game at his pace and nothing you can do about it. No forward has the better of him. He reads the game like he had the script before kick-off. His coolness in all situation is unique. A beast in the air. Doesn’t mis time tackles. Great vision for a pass.

      1: Steven Gerrard:  Appearances: 662. Goals: 184. Trophies: 9.  Service: 15 1/2 years
      Thought long and hard about placing him somewhere else, just to be different, but I wanted to do the list the right way, and that can mean only Stevie being number 1.  Everything that can be said about him has been said. Just a pure football talent who would have graced any side of any generation be it Liverpool or elsewhere. Who could have for seen the impact he would have when he debuted off the bench as a skinny little kid with a funny haircut. Who foreseen the worldies he scores after his first one when he slalomed past Des Walker all those years ago? Yes, we came close to losing him, twice, thankfully we kept him. Istanbul will be forever in the memory but so to will the fact he missed out on a premier league. Most likely the best, and most deserving player to have never won it. But maybe, just maybe there’s another chapter in Stevie’s Liverpool story that sees him win more then one premier league title in another guise. But until that day comes Ill rate him as the greatest Liverpool player of the 21st century   
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      Reply #1: Jan 11, 2021 05:49:33 pm
      Hard to argue with that list. Rankings are about right as well. (Wouldn't have Carragher as high up, that's about it.)

      Mascherano could have been in there, but maybe wasn't here as long as those that edged him out. Agger maybe?
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      Reply #2: Jan 11, 2021 06:15:38 pm
      With it being the 21st year of the 21st century I’ve compiled a list of the best 21 players at the club in that time.

      I’ve tried to be as fair as possible and judge only on standards and appearances made. I’ve counted only appearance made from he 2000/2001 season and goals scored from that season for players who played at that time. I’ve included goals scored and trophies won though I did not use these as determining factors in my selection. While its always easy to go to goal scorers or flair players I’ve tried to be as fair as possible to defenders, goalkeepers and “less attractive” midfielders.
      Based on the above I’ve omitted players like Robbie Fowler who though he was at the club at various times in the century I would have included him based on the heart more then the head had I done so. Finally, when I had my final 21 it was perhaps more difficult to position them within the list then it was to pick the 21 individuals so I’m not expecting agreement with my list …

      21: Emile Heskey. Appearances: 223. Goals:60. Trophies: 5.  Service: 5 years 
      Formed a formidable partnership with Michael Owen at the turn of the century. Had pace and power. Scored some important, and impressive goals without having a spectacular goal to game ratio. Important part of the team that won the treble and brought the club back into the ranks in Europe

      20: Phillipe Coutinho. Appearances: 201. Goals:54. Trophies: 0.  Service: 5 years 
      Won’t be the most popular choice on the list but he was a gem of a player. Scorer, and creator, of wonderful goals

      19: Didi Hamann. Appearances: 250. Goals: 10. Trophies: 8.  Service: 5 1/2 years 
      The big German was a bit of a surprise signing at the time but what a signing. His style is probably unfairly labelled as defensive midfielder. H e was well capable of getting forward, smart with the ball, and scored 1 or 2 belters. Complimented those around him really well

      18: Michael Owen. Appearances: 169. Goals: 98. Trophies: 5.  Service: 4 1/2 years 
      Like Coutinho this won’t be a popular shout as his circumstances for leaving and indeed where he ended up at one-point won’t endear him to the fans, but nobody can take away what he gave the club in his spell here. Between 98 and 02 arguable he was unplayable. Electrifying pace and a fantastic finisher. Arguable if the 2001 breakthrough happens without him. Shame he never had that second spell

      17: Lucas Leiva. Appearances: 346. Goals: 7. Trophies: 0.  Service: 10 years 
      The only negative about Lucas was that he was injured in 2012 to miss out on winning a well-deserved trophy for his spell at the club. Signed as an attacking midfielder it would be in the defensive midfield role that he would establish himself. After a difficult start to his career he would become a fan favourite. Hard working and honest. An adopted scouser.

      16: Dirk Kuyt. Appearances: 285. Goals: 71. Trophies: 1.  Service: 6 years 
      Like Lucas, Kuyty was a fan favourite through his sheer work rate and desire. Loved scoring a peno against the bitters to. The bigger the match the better Dirk Kuyt was

      15: Trent Alexander Arnold. Appearances: 153. Goals: 8. Trophies: 4.  Service: 4 1/2 years 
      Scary that a 20-year-old, and a full back at that, waltz’s into a place in the top 15 players in the Club over the last 21 years. So much potential. I wont comment too much on one with a whole career ahead of him other then to say when if I was to re do this list at 50 years, he would be much higher up the list.

      14: Alisson Becker: Appearances: 106. Goals: N/A. Trophies: 3.  Service: 2 1/2 years 
      Sander Westerveld, Jerzy Dudek, Pepe Reina, Chris Kirkland, Scott Carson, Simon Mignolet, all came in, all had qualities, but all had faults or mistakes in them, not this one. Arguably the best in the world at this point in time. History will show how vital he was to ending our wait for the title. He will be a reason we win more.

      13: Xabi Alonso:  Appearances: 210. Goals: 19. Trophies: 3. Service: 5 years 
      My favourite type of player. The one who see the pass that nobody else sees, and then executes it perfectly. Crazy to think Rafa was willing to trade him in for Gareth Barry. Alonso’s class in the middle-allowed Stevie to play a more attacking game, which reaped massive reward. Scored the equaliser in Istanbul in 05. Perhaps though the game where he showed his true worth was away at Juventus in the quarter final of that year. His first game back after a long injury lay off, and with Stevie out injured, he bossed it against a much fancied and very talented Juve. Showed his excellence at Real and Bayern which would have you wonder what more we could have achieved with him. Top player

      12: Fernando Torres: Appearances: 142. Goals: 81. Trophies: 0.  Service: 3 1/2 years   
      Speaks volumes of the impact he had that in a short enough spell which led to no trophies before leaving for Chelsea that I rate him at number 12. This guy was exceptional for his time here. Supreme finisher with explosive speed. Loved the sight of Vidic. From that opening goal v Chelsea he had me. Shame it ended the way it did.

      11: Roberto Firmino: Appearances: 269. Goals: 83. Trophies: 4.  Service: 5 1/2 years   
      While one or two on the list might raise an eyebrow Bobby being only 11 might do likewise! His past few months won’t go down as his best but what he brought before that and what he brings overall to this group can’t be overstated. Technically brilliant with great awareness of his teammates around him and his work rate for the team. Just a top top player

      10: Gini Wijnaldum: Appearances: 211. Goals: 21. Trophies: 4.  Service: 4 1/2 years   
      When he’s gone people will realise just how good this fella is. Just a total footballer. History will most likely remember him as scoring the 2 goals off the bench v Barcelona in 2019, but he is so much more then that

      9: Sami Hyppia:  Appearances: 418. Goals: 33. Trophies: 8.  Service: 9 1/2 years   
      His response to being told he was losing the captaincy to Stevie says all you need to know about this man. A true legend. A rock at the back and that was including times when he was surrounded by people who perhaps should never have been Liverpool players. If a list was compiled of all-time club bargains Sami would be a good shout for number 1. Class act in every way

      8: Andy Robertson: Appearances: 151. Goals: 5. Trophies: 4.  Service: 3 1/2 years   
      I was delighted we signed him. Not because I thought he would be as good as he is I simply thought at the price we paid we have gotten a good player who in time as we develop he will drop down the ranks and be a very good 2nd choice…..develop he did, into arguably the best left back in the game. Pure energy and will to win. I should probably use his assists rather than his goals scored for his stats. Proof that every Liverpool team should have a Scot in it   

      7: Luis Suarez: Appearances: 133. Goals: 82. Trophies: 1.  Service: 3 1/4 years   
      Genius. Flawed or otherwise. If I was any good Id have a video showing his goals. Just a different animal. For some he’s in the discussion with Kenny as our greatest ever ability wise and that probably best sums up how good he was.

      6: Jamie Carragher: Appearances: 629. Goals: 2. Trophies: 9.  Service: 13 years   
      Only Alisson has scored less goals then Carra (unless I include own goals!) But only Stevie G gave longer service, and don’t forget Carra predates 2000. Right back, centre back, left back, centre mid. Played them all, and played them all solidly. Probably the word that sums him up best, solid. When I think of Carra I think last ditch tackles v AC Milan in 05 so tired the tackle led to cramps, but he gets up and goes again. Vocal, a captain with no armband needed. When all is said and done and all time teams are picked hell probably miss out more often then not to Hansen and VVD but anyone who did select him wouldn’t be far wrong.

      5: Sadio Mane:  Appearances: 194. Goals: 90. Trophies: 4.  Service: 4 1/2 years 
      At number 5 is number 6 favourite current player. That’s some accolade. Another is that he’s the closest player to John Barnes we have seen. Nothing I can add to make him sound any better. World class

      4: Jordan Henderson:  Appearances: 384. Goals: 30. Trophies: 5.  Service: 9 1/2 years       
      Similar to Robbo, when we signed him, I thought yes good signing. But I didn’t see future captain who lifts the league to end the drought. And what a leader he has become. Another player who probably had to adapt his game over time, but he has become a top midfielder, reliable and an excellent leader. I do however think, like Gini, some will only realise just how important he is when he is no longer there   

      3: Mo Salah: Appearances: 177. Goals: 111. Trophies: 4.  Service: 3 1/2 years       
      Look at the goals to game return. Special. I admit, when we signed him my first reaction was, we don’t need him we have Sadio and we have Bobby and Coutinho and Sturridge. Man was my face red!! No matter what the future holds from this point on the impact of Mo Salah on Liverpool football club is massive

      2: Virgil Van Dijk: Appearances: 130. Goals: 13. Trophies: 4.  Service: 3 years       
      I mentioned a value for money list regarding our signings. Sami Hyppia would be high up on that list, but still behind Virgil Van Dijk. His impact while well regarded by everyone, is probably still underestimated. A phenom. Plays the game at his pace and nothing you can do about it. No forward has the better of him. He reads the game like he had the script before kick-off. His coolness in all situation is unique. A beast in the air. Doesn’t mis time tackles. Great vision for a pass.

      1: Steven Gerrard:  Appearances: 662. Goals: 184. Trophies: 9.  Service: 15 1/2 years
      Thought long and hard about placing him somewhere else, just to be different, but I wanted to do the list the right way, and that can mean only Stevie being number 1.  Everything that can be said about him has been said. Just a pure football talent who would have graced any side of any generation be it Liverpool or elsewhere. Who could have for seen the impact he would have when he debuted off the bench as a skinny little kid with a funny haircut. Who foreseen the worldies he scores after his first one when he slalomed past Des Walker all those years ago? Yes, we came close to losing him, twice, thankfully we kept him. Istanbul will be forever in the memory but so to will the fact he missed out on a premier league. Most likely the best, and most deserving player to have never won it. But maybe, just maybe there’s another chapter in Stevie’s Liverpool story that sees him win more then one premier league title in another guise. But until that day comes Ill rate him as the greatest Liverpool player of the 21st century   


      I would have Agger in there instead of Lucas,
      but otherwise a great list.

      I know ten years is probably reason enough to have Lucas there somewhere,
      just feels harsh that it's ahead of Agger.
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      Reply #3: Jan 11, 2021 06:32:51 pm
      Much love for Agger but he just missed the cut. Himself Reina Sturridge and Riise were all considered
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      Reply #4: Jan 11, 2021 07:05:45 pm
      Terrific list Bri! Full respect for the inclusion of Heskey in there - a wonderful player for a good amount of time at the club. A few years ago he garnered a reputation amongst pathetic little gamer/FIFA playing fuds pretending that he was a joke of a player. Far from it as we all know!

      A worthy inclusion alongside his strike partner Owen... who I'd put in my top 10 (in place of Suarez tbh) for what he did in 2001. Just remarkable.

      Certainly thought provoking. I'd take out Coutinho and replace him with Milner (and then put Milner higher up the list). The guy has a power in the example he sets - his supreme fitness alone could count towards a big reason in us improving our standards on that side of things. But he's always made himself available whether it's the dirty work or other things. And an absolute diamond of a guy as well!
      « Last Edit: Jan 11, 2021 07:11:12 pm by Frankly, Mr Shankly »
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      Reply #5: Jan 11, 2021 07:18:01 pm
      Deffo Agger.
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      Reply #6: Jan 11, 2021 08:13:53 pm
      I always feel bummed remembering that Agger did not win anything of notice with us, especially after he scored the goal that took us to the '07 CL final. One of my favorite Liverpool goals by one of my favorite Liverpool players.
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      Reply #7: Jan 12, 2021 09:17:09 am
      Respect for the time taken to make this mate, enjoyed reading it. As said above I’d maybe have Milner in there but hard to argue with it otherwise. As I got to top 10 I feared that you were one of those Liverpool fans whose spite outweighed their appreciation for the talent of Suarez. Would have loved to see him in this team, as well as some of the others.
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      Reply #8: Jan 12, 2021 09:43:51 am
      Respect for the time taken to make this mate, enjoyed reading it. As said above I’d maybe have Milner in there but hard to argue with it otherwise. As I got to top 10 I feared that you were one of those Liverpool fans whose spite outweighed their appreciation for the talent of Suarez. Would have loved to see him in this team, as well as some of the others.

      I think these lists are impossible to get right, even your own list in your own head.

      Mille and Agger could easily be in there and maybe should. I suppose certain memories in the mind push certain players to the front. Millie and Agger are every bit worth a place as much as Didi or Kuyty or Lucas yet in my mind I weighed up other things that pushed these guys ahead of those 2. But I can fully appreciate why it would be queried
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      Reply #9: Jan 12, 2021 12:23:00 pm
      I think these lists are impossible to get right, even your own list in your own head.

      Mille and Agger could easily be in there and maybe should. I suppose certain memories in the mind push certain players to the front. Millie and Agger are every bit worth a place as much as Didi or Kuyty or Lucas yet in my mind I weighed up other things that pushed these guys ahead of those 2. But I can fully appreciate why it would be queried

      Great thread, great read.

      I'm not going to debate choices.
      I might have made the odd different one, but that list looks pretty solid to me.

      Good stuff :)
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      Reply #10: Jan 15, 2021 07:27:40 pm
      Great read Brian and I'd like to edge Agger in there if possible but the question is who to leave out?

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      Reply #11: Jan 15, 2021 07:31:36 pm
      Great read Brian and I'd like to edge Agger in there if possible but the question is who to leave out?



      Without doubt the most popular not in my list, followed by Millie.
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      Reply #12: Jan 15, 2021 07:46:19 pm
      Great read Brian and I'd like to edge Agger in there if possible but the question is who to leave out?

      Same thought for me, except with Mascherano (although one of the previews just showed the bit where he lost his rag in 2008). I guess he only played three seasons for us...

      Speaking of Masch, here is a happier ending to a United match where he made a difference (and look at the beginning - FANS outside the ground)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ3-d_nGuPY
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      Reply #13: Jan 15, 2021 07:49:03 pm
      Next week ill issue my 20 best who didnt make the list  :D  :D
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      Reply #14: Jan 15, 2021 07:51:50 pm
      Same thought for me, except with Mascherano (although one of the previews just showed the bit where he lost his rag in 2008). I guess he only played three seasons for us...

      Speaking of Masch, here is a happier ending to a United match where he made a difference (and look at the beginning - FANS outside the ground)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ3-d_nGuPY


      I loved Mascherano as well. The sight of him hunting down a forward and stealing the ball off them with crunching tackle was a joy to behold.
      « Last Edit: Jan 15, 2021 07:58:51 pm by srslfc »
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      Reply #15: Jan 16, 2021 07:05:51 am
      Effort & a half that list bri,deffo looking forward to your top 20 best of who didn’t make the list,Danny agger  should get the top spot in that one   >:D.
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      Reply #16: Jan 16, 2021 11:51:44 am
      With it being the 21st year of the 21st century I’ve compiled a list of the best 21 players at the club in that time.

      I’ve tried to be as fair as possible and judge only on standards and appearances made. I’ve counted only appearance made from he 2000/2001 season and goals scored from that season for players who played at that time. I’ve included goals scored and trophies won though I did not use these as determining factors in my selection. While its always easy to go to goal scorers or flair players I’ve tried to be as fair as possible to defenders, goalkeepers and “less attractive” midfielders.
      Based on the above I’ve omitted players like Robbie Fowler who though he was at the club at various times in the century I would have included him based on the heart more then the head had I done so. Finally, when I had my final 21 it was perhaps more difficult to position them within the list then it was to pick the 21 individuals so I’m not expecting agreement with my list …

      21: Emile Heskey. Appearances: 223. Goals:60. Trophies: 5.  Service: 5 years 
      Formed a formidable partnership with Michael Owen at the turn of the century. Had pace and power. Scored some important, and impressive goals without having a spectacular goal to game ratio. Important part of the team that won the treble and brought the club back into the ranks in Europe

      20: Phillipe Coutinho. Appearances: 201. Goals:54. Trophies: 0.  Service: 5 years 
      Won’t be the most popular choice on the list but he was a gem of a player. Scorer, and creator, of wonderful goals

      19: Didi Hamann. Appearances: 250. Goals: 10. Trophies: 8.  Service: 5 1/2 years 
      The big German was a bit of a surprise signing at the time but what a signing. His style is probably unfairly labelled as defensive midfielder. H e was well capable of getting forward, smart with the ball, and scored 1 or 2 belters. Complimented those around him really well

      18: Michael Owen. Appearances: 169. Goals: 98. Trophies: 5.  Service: 4 1/2 years 
      Like Coutinho this won’t be a popular shout as his circumstances for leaving and indeed where he ended up at one-point won’t endear him to the fans, but nobody can take away what he gave the club in his spell here. Between 98 and 02 arguable he was unplayable. Electrifying pace and a fantastic finisher. Arguable if the 2001 breakthrough happens without him. Shame he never had that second spell

      17: Lucas Leiva. Appearances: 346. Goals: 7. Trophies: 0.  Service: 10 years 
      The only negative about Lucas was that he was injured in 2012 to miss out on winning a well-deserved trophy for his spell at the club. Signed as an attacking midfielder it would be in the defensive midfield role that he would establish himself. After a difficult start to his career he would become a fan favourite. Hard working and honest. An adopted scouser.

      16: Dirk Kuyt. Appearances: 285. Goals: 71. Trophies: 1.  Service: 6 years 
      Like Lucas, Kuyty was a fan favourite through his sheer work rate and desire. Loved scoring a peno against the bitters to. The bigger the match the better Dirk Kuyt was

      15: Trent Alexander Arnold. Appearances: 153. Goals: 8. Trophies: 4.  Service: 4 1/2 years 
      Scary that a 20-year-old, and a full back at that, waltz’s into a place in the top 15 players in the Club over the last 21 years. So much potential. I wont comment too much on one with a whole career ahead of him other then to say when if I was to re do this list at 50 years, he would be much higher up the list.

      14: Alisson Becker: Appearances: 106. Goals: N/A. Trophies: 3.  Service: 2 1/2 years 
      Sander Westerveld, Jerzy Dudek, Pepe Reina, Chris Kirkland, Scott Carson, Simon Mignolet, all came in, all had qualities, but all had faults or mistakes in them, not this one. Arguably the best in the world at this point in time. History will show how vital he was to ending our wait for the title. He will be a reason we win more.

      13: Xabi Alonso:  Appearances: 210. Goals: 19. Trophies: 3. Service: 5 years 
      My favourite type of player. The one who see the pass that nobody else sees, and then executes it perfectly. Crazy to think Rafa was willing to trade him in for Gareth Barry. Alonso’s class in the middle-allowed Stevie to play a more attacking game, which reaped massive reward. Scored the equaliser in Istanbul in 05. Perhaps though the game where he showed his true worth was away at Juventus in the quarter final of that year. His first game back after a long injury lay off, and with Stevie out injured, he bossed it against a much fancied and very talented Juve. Showed his excellence at Real and Bayern which would have you wonder what more we could have achieved with him. Top player

      12: Fernando Torres: Appearances: 142. Goals: 81. Trophies: 0.  Service: 3 1/2 years   
      Speaks volumes of the impact he had that in a short enough spell which led to no trophies before leaving for Chelsea that I rate him at number 12. This guy was exceptional for his time here. Supreme finisher with explosive speed. Loved the sight of Vidic. From that opening goal v Chelsea he had me. Shame it ended the way it did.

      11: Roberto Firmino: Appearances: 269. Goals: 83. Trophies: 4.  Service: 5 1/2 years   
      While one or two on the list might raise an eyebrow Bobby being only 11 might do likewise! His past few months won’t go down as his best but what he brought before that and what he brings overall to this group can’t be overstated. Technically brilliant with great awareness of his teammates around him and his work rate for the team. Just a top top player

      10: Gini Wijnaldum: Appearances: 211. Goals: 21. Trophies: 4.  Service: 4 1/2 years   
      When he’s gone people will realise just how good this fella is. Just a total footballer. History will most likely remember him as scoring the 2 goals off the bench v Barcelona in 2019, but he is so much more then that

      9: Sami Hyppia:  Appearances: 418. Goals: 33. Trophies: 8.  Service: 9 1/2 years   
      His response to being told he was losing the captaincy to Stevie says all you need to know about this man. A true legend. A rock at the back and that was including times when he was surrounded by people who perhaps should never have been Liverpool players. If a list was compiled of all-time club bargains Sami would be a good shout for number 1. Class act in every way

      8: Andy Robertson: Appearances: 151. Goals: 5. Trophies: 4.  Service: 3 1/2 years   
      I was delighted we signed him. Not because I thought he would be as good as he is I simply thought at the price we paid we have gotten a good player who in time as we develop he will drop down the ranks and be a very good 2nd choice…..develop he did, into arguably the best left back in the game. Pure energy and will to win. I should probably use his assists rather than his goals scored for his stats. Proof that every Liverpool team should have a Scot in it   

      7: Luis Suarez: Appearances: 133. Goals: 82. Trophies: 1.  Service: 3 1/4 years   
      Genius. Flawed or otherwise. If I was any good Id have a video showing his goals. Just a different animal. For some he’s in the discussion with Kenny as our greatest ever ability wise and that probably best sums up how good he was.

      6: Jamie Carragher: Appearances: 629. Goals: 2. Trophies: 9.  Service: 13 years   
      Only Alisson has scored less goals then Carra (unless I include own goals!) But only Stevie G gave longer service, and don’t forget Carra predates 2000. Right back, centre back, left back, centre mid. Played them all, and played them all solidly. Probably the word that sums him up best, solid. When I think of Carra I think last ditch tackles v AC Milan in 05 so tired the tackle led to cramps, but he gets up and goes again. Vocal, a captain with no armband needed. When all is said and done and all time teams are picked hell probably miss out more often then not to Hansen and VVD but anyone who did select him wouldn’t be far wrong.

      5: Sadio Mane:  Appearances: 194. Goals: 90. Trophies: 4.  Service: 4 1/2 years 
      At number 5 is number 6 favourite current player. That’s some accolade. Another is that he’s the closest player to John Barnes we have seen. Nothing I can add to make him sound any better. World class

      4: Jordan Henderson:  Appearances: 384. Goals: 30. Trophies: 5.  Service: 9 1/2 years       
      Similar to Robbo, when we signed him, I thought yes good signing. But I didn’t see future captain who lifts the league to end the drought. And what a leader he has become. Another player who probably had to adapt his game over time, but he has become a top midfielder, reliable and an excellent leader. I do however think, like Gini, some will only realise just how important he is when he is no longer there   

      3: Mo Salah: Appearances: 177. Goals: 111. Trophies: 4.  Service: 3 1/2 years       
      Look at the goals to game return. Special. I admit, when we signed him my first reaction was, we don’t need him we have Sadio and we have Bobby and Coutinho and Sturridge. Man was my face red!! No matter what the future holds from this point on the impact of Mo Salah on Liverpool football club is massive

      2: Virgil Van Dijk: Appearances: 130. Goals: 13. Trophies: 4.  Service: 3 years       
      I mentioned a value for money list regarding our signings. Sami Hyppia would be high up on that list, but still behind Virgil Van Dijk. His impact while well regarded by everyone, is probably still underestimated. A phenom. Plays the game at his pace and nothing you can do about it. No forward has the better of him. He reads the game like he had the script before kick-off. His coolness in all situation is unique. A beast in the air. Doesn’t mis time tackles. Great vision for a pass.

      1: Steven Gerrard:  Appearances: 662. Goals: 184. Trophies: 9.  Service: 15 1/2 years
      Thought long and hard about placing him somewhere else, just to be different, but I wanted to do the list the right way, and that can mean only Stevie being number 1.  Everything that can be said about him has been said. Just a pure football talent who would have graced any side of any generation be it Liverpool or elsewhere. Who could have for seen the impact he would have when he debuted off the bench as a skinny little kid with a funny haircut. Who foreseen the worldies he scores after his first one when he slalomed past Des Walker all those years ago? Yes, we came close to losing him, twice, thankfully we kept him. Istanbul will be forever in the memory but so to will the fact he missed out on a premier league. Most likely the best, and most deserving player to have never won it. But maybe, just maybe there’s another chapter in Stevie’s Liverpool story that sees him win more then one premier league title in another guise. But until that day comes Ill rate him as the greatest Liverpool player of the 21st century   


      Great list mate. lot of effort went into this. respect.

      Id personally have Carra as no.2, Him and Gerrard carried us for so long.

      No Robbie Fowler, but I guess he just played a cameo role after the 01 treble. more a 90s legend.
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      Re: 21 for 21
      Reply #17: Jan 16, 2021 12:58:53 pm
      Great list mate. lot of effort went into this. respect.

      Id personally have Carra as no.2, Him and Gerrard carried us for so long.

      No Robbie Fowler, but I guess he just played a cameo role after the 01 treble. more a 90s legend.

      Robbie is probably my all time hero. I just felt that in 01 Heskey and Owen  were the main 2. He left of course then until 2006 but again spent only the season so had I picked him it would have been for the wrong reason
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      Re: 21 for 21
      Reply #18: Jan 17, 2021 12:03:21 am
      Good thread mate, enjoyed reading through that along with other people's suggestions

      Think my list would be pretty similar give or take a bit of a shuffle. Off the top of my head though I'd take Lucas and Coutinho out and replace them with Gary Mac & Luis Garcia. Both had shorter spells at the club than those who they'd be replacing in the list but I think they contributed a fair bit more.

      Surprised at all of the clamour for Agger to be included though. Alright defender like but was never anything out of this world for me. I think his love for the club can cloud people's judgement into thinking he's some sort of legend (YNWA tattoos and all that carry on), I've noticed similar with Lucas too. Both decent players on their day, but that's as far as it goes with me
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      Re: 21 for 21
      Reply #19: Jan 17, 2021 04:54:44 am
      One I’d consider having in there is Danny Sturridge, didn’t have the longevity of others and injuries took their toll but for a period he was brilliant for us and scored some absolute crackers.

      One of my favourite players of the last 10 years.

      Another one I’d have in there, Pepe Reina, won 3 golden gloves on the bounce I think and we all know how passionate he was.

      No idea who’s missing out to fit them in though!
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      Reply #20: Jan 17, 2021 08:48:54 am
      Robbie is probably my all time hero. I just felt that in 01 Heskey and Owen  were the main 2. He left of course then until 2006 but again spent only the season so had I picked him it would have been for the wrong reason

      Aye your right. as I said he was more an 90s Icon for us. Like he has said himself, he never shouldve left, but sh1t happens in life and in football.
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      Reply #21: Jan 17, 2021 09:01:08 am
      One I’d consider having in there is Danny Sturridge, didn’t have the longevity of others and injuries took their toll but for a period he was brilliant for us and scored some absolute crackers.

      One of my favourite players of the last 10 years.

      Another one I’d have in there, Pepe Reina, won 3 golden gloves on the bounce I think and we all know how passionate he was.

      No idea who’s missing out to fit them in though!

      Sturridge was absolutely world class in those first 18 months for us wasn't he. The best natural finisher we'd had since Fowler. Still winds me up thinking about what could have been if it wasn't for those injuries.

      Reina is a great shout as well, started to regress rapidly in the second half of his Liverpool career (although you could say that about the team in general) which I think overshadowed how good he actually was in those first few years. As you mentioned the three golden gloves is nothing to be snuffed at, especially when you're competing for them against the likes of Petr Cech & Van Der Sar
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      Reply #22: Jan 17, 2021 10:55:29 am
      One I’d consider having in there is Danny Sturridge, didn’t have the longevity of others and injuries took their toll but for a period he was brilliant for us and scored some absolute crackers.

      One of my favourite players of the last 10 years.

      Another one I’d have in there, Pepe Reina, won 3 golden gloves on the bounce I think and we all know how passionate he was.

      No idea who’s missing out to fit them in though!

      Just on Studge. Cracking lad ,him.

      Enjoyed this: part 1 and 2 👇

      https://youtu.be/bJZhLPp7cuQ

      https://youtu.be/4_8tiyEClFQ
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      Reply #23: Jan 17, 2021 11:21:27 am

      He put a tweet up as well a couple of days ago saying how much he loved us and misses playing for us.

      Sad really that we didn't win that title under Rodgers because I was thinking the other day, considering he's amassed an impressive medal haul over his career (two European Cups, League Title, FA Cup) he's only played a minor role in all of them. Winning the title in 2014 would have been the crowning moment his talent deserved
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      Re: 21 for 21
      Reply #24: Jan 17, 2021 03:00:28 pm
      How about the worst 21?
      Would imagine most people’s lists would start with Konchesky and Poulsen?

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