Liverpool 0-0 Manchester United: In game and Post Match discussion

Just because we are keeping clean sheets doesn't mean we don't need a CB or two,we have no fit CB's and one of our best players which is a CB is out until April and our best midfielder is playing CB.The balance of the team isn't right,we are really missing Fab in the midfield,everyone talking about the strikers not scoring but where are the goals from midfield?If Gini doesn't sign then i would give his place to someone else,he's either wants to play for us or he doesn't.

We already have Phillips Williams and Koumetio. Whether they're good enough or not is a different matter, but we do have fit centre backs. Centre backs against teams such as Burnley at home, are not going to have a lot of work to do, they just have to do it well. Fabinho is a defensive midfielder and an excellent centre back. He's been our player of the season so far.

None of our rivals are signing players atm. It's usually difficult to buy in January, this year even more so. So you can see why we haven't got the chequebook out. Going out to buy a centre back atm, means a 6 game immediate absence if he's not already in the UK. That's if he's good enough. If Jürgen thinks he needs time, it could take months. It took him 6 months and an injury to Moreno, just to get him to finally play Robbo every week. We could all see what the full back issue was but he didn't trust Robbo, and then as now, if he doesn't trust someone to do the job, he won't play them. Hence why Wijnaldum always plays when he's available and Shaqiri doesn't.

The main problem is further up the field. We haven't scored 7 goals in 1 game then 1 in 4 games, because we need new centre backs. We need to speed the play up, create more chances and get more shots on target. If we do that, the goals will come. It's not a centre back issue, it's not an issue with a specific player or area of the pitch. It's mainly a tactical issue and it needs to be sorted out soon.

Honestly could have been 4 or 5 up at HT but we have lost all confidence in front of goal!

You've defo been on the pipe smoking stuff.  4/5 goals. Wake you you Aussie tw*t 

Robbo twice, Mo's would have been out of this world, Bobby don't know what he was doing, his feet got muddled up, Thiago's shot saved and there's one more but I'm stoned, so can't remember! 

Robbo twice, Mo's would have been out of this world, Bobby don't know what he was doing, his feet got muddled up, Thiago's shot saved and there's one more but I'm stoned, so can't remember! 

Stone plays for city your watching the wrong match. 

Stone plays for city your watching the wrong match. 

your 2nd side after Liverpool 

We already have Phillips Williams and Koumetio. Whether they're good enough or not is a different matter,

erm no it is THE matter, they are not good enough hence why Jürgen is playing two midfielders as CB's, BTW that is two of our key midfielders, its equivalent to Utd playing Fernandes as CB or City De Bruyne. Of course that has a huge impact, especially when you have a manager who is utterly inflexible when it comes to tactics.

You go on to say that if you buy a player then you need to quarantine them for 2 weeks, erm ok, but so what, if we'd bought them 1st week of Jan they'd be available now wouldn't they, instead we'll have to continue to pray that Matip can give us a few games here and there and otherwise keep playing midfielders out of position, which may well work from a defensive pov but weakens our entire team in an attacking sense as our system is so rigid and inflexible.

You've defo been on the pipe smoking stuff.  4/5 goals. Wake you you Aussie tw*t 

I think you are both guilty of some bias here, Keith maintains we didn't have a single chance all game and Aussie is perhaps a little bit too generous. The truth sits somewhere between those two extremes but what is a fact is that Man Utd screwed up their best chance in ages to beat us at Anfield, its a tiny sliver of a silver lining as is Thiago growing more and more into the team.

I think you are both guilty of some bias here, Keith maintains we didn't have a single chance all game and Aussie is perhaps a little bit too generous. The truth sits somewhere between those two extremes but what is a fact is that Man Utd screwed up their best chance in ages to beat us at Anfield, its a tiny sliver of a silver lining as is Thiago growing more and more into the team.

You been on the pipe too Heimy  I stated you had one good clear chance when DeGea push wide Thiago shot.

You been on the pipe too Heimy  I stated you had one good clear chance when DeGea push wide Thiago shot.

If a player miskicks or scuffs a shot when in a good position do you count that as a good chance or is it only if it forces a save? If its the former then we had several good chances which should have in the very least forced saves from de Gea. Aussie is correct in that Robbo had at least two very good chances inside the 16 yard box which he messes up, first shooting wide and the second being s scuffed cross if I remember correctly, actually there was another half chance as well where he blasted the ball miles over the bar. Bobby had at least 2 good chances, one very good one where he got the ball from Mo and was effectively one on one with the keeper but completely scuffed the shot. His other chance was on the edge of the 16 yard box in a promising position where he shot it high and wide. Mane of course should have been one on one with De Gea if the Ref has not inexplicably blown his whistle early in the first half!

If a player miskicks or scuffs a shot when in a good position do you count that as a good chance or is it only if it forces a save? If its the former then we had several good chances which should have in the very least forced saves from de Gea. Aussie is correct in that Robbo had at least two very good chances inside the 16 yard box which he messes up, first shooting wide and the second being s scuffed cross if I remember correctly, actually there was another half chance as well where he blasted the ball miles over the bar. Bobby had at least 2 good chances, one very good one where he got the ball from Mo and was effectively one on one with the keeper but completely scuffed the shot. His other chance was on the edge of the 16 yard box in a promising position where he shot it high and wide. Mane of course should have been one on one with De Gea if the Ref has not inexplicably blown his whistle early in the first half!

Doesn't matter how you paint it Heimy you had ONE pretty/good chance. Ask yourself how many pretty/decent  saves did DeGea made? you'll fine out it was ONE!

I'll tell Aussie red to stop sending that pipe blowing sh*t your both smoking. 

Doesn't matter how you paint it Heimy you had ONE pretty/good chance. Ask yourself how many pretty/decent  saves did DeGea made? you'll fine out it was ONE!

I'll tell Aussie red to stop sending that pipe blowing sh*t your both smoking. 

Ah ok so by your reckoning if a player is through on goal but scuffs his shot then it doesn't count as a chance, interesting, that explains why we disagree on this. I'm looking at it more from an xG point of view, ie how good an opportunity was it to score, irrespective of whether the player scuffs the shot or the GK makes a great save etc

Does anyone know where I can see the xG (expected Goals) stat from individual games?

Ah found it, and it makes for interesting reading with Liverpool have an Xg of 1.2 to Man Utd's 1.19, not much in it but certainly not as lopsided as Keith remembers ;-)

https://understat.com/match/14620

Ah ok so by your reckoning if a player is through on goal but scuffs his shot then it doesn't count as a chance, interesting, that explains why we disagree on this. I'm looking at it more from an xG point of view, ie how good an opportunity was it to score, irrespective of whether the player scuffs the shot or the GK makes a great save etc

Does anyone know where I can see the xG (expected Goals) stat from individual games?

Ah found it, and it makes for interesting reading with Liverpool have an Xg of 1.2 to Man Utd's 1.19, not much in it but certainly not as lopsided as Keith remembers ;-)

https://understat.com/match/14620

 

Not a fan of facts or have you been out in the midday sun too long?

Doesn't matter how you paint it Heimy you had ONE pretty/good chance. Ask yourself how many pretty/decent  saves did DeGea made? you'll fine out it was ONE!

I'll tell Aussie red to stop sending that pipe blowing sh*t your both smoking. 

So if a player hoofs a penalty over the crossbar then it's not counted as a good chance?

We already have Phillips Williams and Koumetio. Whether they're good enough or not is a different matter, but we do have fit centre backs. Centre backs against teams such as Burnley at home, are not going to have a lot of work to do, they just have to do it well. Fabinho is a defensive midfielder and an excellent centre back. He's been our player of the season so far.

None of our rivals are signing players atm. It's usually difficult to buy in January, this year even more so. So you can see why we haven't got the chequebook out. Going out to buy a centre back atm, means a 6 game immediate absence if he's not already in the UK. That's if he's good enough. If Jürgen thinks he needs time, it could take months. It took him 6 months and an injury to Moreno, just to get him to finally play Robbo every week. We could all see what the full back issue was but he didn't trust Robbo, and then as now, if he doesn't trust someone to do the job, he won't play them. Hence why Wijnaldum always plays when he's available and Shaqiri doesn't.

The main problem is further up the field. We haven't scored 7 goals in 1 game then 1 in 4 games, because we need new centre backs. We need to speed the play up, create more chances and get more shots on target. If we do that, the goals will come. It's not a centre back issue, it's not an issue with a specific player or area of the pitch. It's mainly a tactical issue and it needs to be sorted out soon.

I think the CB problem is part of the issue,you can't lose the best CB in the world and replace him with a kid or a player that was going to be sold hence considered not good enough to play at the level Jürgen requires,Fab is brilliant at CB but his absence in midfield is a massive loss and our other midfielders are nowhere near as good as what Fab does when he plays there,yes we are not scoring but it's not just up to the strikers,our midfielders scoring record in the PL this season is woeful,30 of our 37 goals PL goals have come from our strikers and that tells the story,Sadio and Mo works their socks off both defensively and offensively,i agree about Bobby he needs to be dropped as his overall contribution and game has been off for a while apart from a few games here and there. FSG should have bought Jürgen a CB at the start of the window as i'm sure Jürgen has a few targets but they are using the current climate as to why they are not,FFS Jürgen net spend is just over 20m a season so i'm sure he's due some backing now,yes there are no crowds but they is still the CL money,The PL money (the PL gave all the prize money out at the end of last season) the sponsors.There must be some excess money in the pot?You said no one is buying anyone but Utd just paid 19m which could rise to 37.5m for Amad Diallo and there wage bill and losses are bigger than ours,i believe no top 6 six club would continue using midfielders and kids to replace VVD when there is a window open.If FSG want a title challenge or CL football next season then they best put their hands in their pockets.

Doesn't matter how you paint it Heimy you had ONE pretty/good chance. Ask yourself how many pretty/decent  saves did DeGea made? you'll fine out it was ONE!

I'll tell Aussie red to stop sending that pipe blowing sh*t your both smoking. 

let's be honest here Keith,we are not very good at the moment and you are flying but on Sunday you showed what a small mentality club you have now become,the Newcastle with better players of the top 6 and you are arguing that you had the better chances,do you think Fergie would have gone to a top 6 six club and parked the bus when you were top and flying,no he wouldn't. The PL this season is a poor standard with a poor team at the top,Jürgen has worked wonders with the injuries we have had but i believe if we don't sign a CB we will struggle to be top 4,any top 6 side with no fit CB's would especially if one of them was VVD. The Everton game where VVD was injured was at the start of game 5, do you think Utd would be buying a CB in January if the boot was on the other foot?

Not a fan of facts or have you been out in the midday sun too long?

Not at all mate I  like facts, it's just that you try and put words into people's mouths and sometimes twist things round.     Me stating we had the better chances doesn't mean it's lobsided in a big way as you put it.

So if a player hoofs a penalty over the crossbar then it's not counted as a good chance?

"Hell yeah" that's a great chance. Was there a penalty?

let's be honest here Keith,we are not very good at the moment and you are flying but on Sunday you showed what a small mentality club you have now become,the Newcastle with better players of the top 6 and you are arguing that you had the better chances,do you think Fergie would have gone to a top 6 six club and parked the bus when you were top and flying,no he wouldn't. The PL this season is a poor standard with a poor team at the top,Jürgen has worked wonders with the injuries we have had but i believe if we don't sign a CB we will struggle to be top 4,any top 6 side with no fit CB's would especially if one of them was VVD. The Everton game where VVD was injured was at the start of game 5, do you think Utd would be buying a CB in January if the boot was on the other foot?

Not sure where we are going with this? Already stated United not a good team but just playing decent at the moment. 
Already told you what I think of Ole. Already told you we should of gone for your throats. It wasn't me who got the tactics wrong it was Ole yet you appear to  blame me. 

We did have the best CLEAR chances, if your blinkered enough to say otherwise that's your opinion but totally wrong.

Already told you I think you'll still make top 4.

You comparing Ole with Fergie?? Oh dear    Of course he wouldn't. Already told you standard poor this season due to 2020. Why we going in circles??

Let's move on...

"Hell yeah" that's a great chance. Was there a penalty?

No and the goalie wouldn't have had to make a save, so the impact of the goalie doesn't affect whether something was a good chance or not.

 

No and the goalie wouldn't have had to make a save, so the impact of the goalie doesn't affect whether something was a good chance or not.

I'm really lost for words with you... Let's leave it at that.

Utd bang average, us probably at this moment a little worse. City could romp away with this as nobody else looks like putting a run together.

I'm really lost for words with you... Let's leave it at that.

I'll explain in simple terms for you then. You were pretty much saying that unless a goalie has to make a save then it can't be deemed to be a chance. I've demonstrated that your criteria is flawed. Don't see what your issue is.

Ah ok so by your reckoning if a player is through on goal but scuffs his shot then it doesn't count as a chance, interesting, that explains why we disagree on this. I'm looking at it more from an xG point of view, ie how good an opportunity was it to score, irrespective of whether the player scuffs the shot or the GK makes a great save etc

Does anyone know where I can see the xG (expected Goals) stat from individual games?

Ah found it, and it makes for interesting reading with Liverpool have an Xg of 1.2 to Man Utd's 1.19, not much in it but certainly not as lopsided as Keith remembers ;-)

https://understat.com/match/14620

Thanks Heim, that's what I was on about, they weren't clear cut chances but they were chances none the less. They all fkn went in against Palace!

Not at all mate I  like facts, it's just that you try and put words into people's mouths and sometimes twist things round.     Me stating we had the better chances doesn't mean it's lobsided in a big way as you put it.

If you like facts, why did you laugh when I showed you we had a higher xG than you in the game??? 

I also completely disagree with your assertion that a chance is only a good chance if it leads to a shot on goal, you have to factor in a scuffed or misdirected shot and a last minute tackle if a striker takes to long on the ball like Salah was guilty of.