Do we need a finisher or specialised finishing training?

Some of our finishing this season has been shocking.

I have not seen the chances to goals ratio for this season, but it must make embarrasing reading for our forwards.

Does anybody else agree that the club should organise some bespoke finishing training for our forwards, and in particular Torres... to be delivered by an Anfield Legend like Rush or Keegan.

I am sure it would be well received by Fernando, who has always said that he primarily came to LFC to become a "total " player. With his movement, pace and stamina he become the world greatest forward if he only could net a few more of the chances he gets.

The same applies to Voro, Babel, Crouch and Kuyt... I am sure they would all love a few sessions like the one suggested... even Stevie G would love to join I'm sure!

Would be great publicity and do morale good too to get a legend back in the fold.

What to you fellow Reds think about this idea?

Complete bollocks or needed?

p.s. I know a possible solution could be signing a recognised (expensive) striker BUT I don't think G&H will be particularly up for that idea unless one or more of the present forwards are moved on in return.

A Champions League record 8-0 against Besiktas

6-0 against Derby.

3-0 away to Newcastle.

I'm not too sure there is a massive problem.  Fernando will probably come back with another hat-trick on a different day.  You can't teach your grandma to suck eggs - and I don't suppose we need to teach £26 million strikers how to find the net.  But that's just my opinion.

Some of our finishing this season has been shocking.

I have not seen the chances to goals ratio for this season, but it must make embarrasing reading for our forwards.

Does anybody else agree that the club should organise some bespoke finishing training for our forwards, and in particular Torres... to be delivered by an Anfield Legend like Rush or Keegan.

I am sure it would be well received by Fernando, who has always said that he primarily came to LFC to become a "total " player. With his movement, pace and stamina he become the world greatest forward if he only could net a few more of the chances he gets.

The same applies to Voro, Babel, Crouch and Kuyt... I am sure they would all love a few sessions like the one suggested... even Stevie G would love to join I'm sure!

Would be great publicity and do morale good to.

What to you fellow Reds think about this idea?

Complete bollocks or needed?

p.s. I know a possible solution could be signing a recognised (expensive) striker BUT I don't think G&H will be particularly up for that idea unless one or more of the present forwards are moved on in return.

I think this is a bit harsh to be honest, especially against Fernandno. I think you are unfairly judging his whole finishing trait on todays performance.
Dont forget he has been injured but when fit has in fact scored and scored some great goals. Any team needs time on finishing, personnally I think its because of the amount of possesion we have not culminating in something positive that not only are you pointing out facts we have a bad finisihing ratio but so do the scum look at the chances they have had in numerous matches this season Tevez was F***ing awful today. I also think you should bear in mind some of the decisions that have gone against us these have cost us points and also bear in mind when a team has 2 banks of 500 men in front of you they will be difficult to break down. Personnally what Im encouraged about is the fact we dont seem to run out of ideas we keep plugging away, and this could be seen as trying too hard. I know that sounds stupid but Fernando today was trying too hard.

I think you're being a little too rash after Torres didn't have his shooting boots on today.

And maybe the Blackburn game for Kuyt.

Nothing too worrying yet.

A Champions League record 8-0 against Besiktas

6-0 against Derby.

3-0 away to Newcastle.

I'm not too sure there is a massive problem.  Fernando will probably come back with another hat-trick on a different day.  You can't teach your grandma to suck eggs - and I don't suppose we need to teach £26 million strikers how to find the net.  But that's just my opinion.

Fernando's goals to chances ratio has always been fairly bad... never in the top 5 of La Liga.

The matches you refer to the opposition has been a very, very bad. Almost embarrisingly bad...

Against the likes of Manure, the Arse and Chavski we won't get more than 4 or 5 clear chances per game... and half at least should be taken. Today we have, what 20 chances? we netted 3.

I am stating this case as the big games, will be very, very different... and we NEED to be a lot more clinical to go beat our title winning competitors...

Well for the rest of them yes, but I'm not going to buy it for Torres not just yet, because he has hardly played competitive in the last 6 weeks. This was what his first full game in about 6 weeks!

I think this is a bit harsh to be honest, especially against Fernandno. I think you are unfairly judging his whole finishing trait on todays performance.
Dont forget he has been injured but when fit has in fact scored and scored some great goals. Any team needs time on finishing, personnally I think its because of the amount of possesion we have not culminating in something positive that not only are you pointing out facts we have a bad finisihing ratio but so do the scum look at the chances they have had in numerous matches this season Tevez was f***ing awful today. I also think you should bear in mind some of the decisions that have gone against us these have cost us points and also bear in mind when a team has 2 banks of 500 men in front of you they will be difficult to break down. Personnally what Im encouraged about is the fact we dont seem to run out of ideas we keep plugging away, and this could be seen as trying too hard. I know that sounds stupid but Fernando today was trying too hard.

I live in Madrid, I have followed Fernando career since he was kid... his finishing has always been suspect.

There is nothing I want more in the world of football than for Fernando to improve that side of his game, because with all the other assets in his locker he would become the world greatest centre forward. I have no doubt.

It's not criticism, it's constructive... and the player came to improve his game - he has openly stated that.

I think you're being a little too rash after Torres didn't have his shooting boots on today.

And maybe the Blackburn game for Kuyt.

Nothing too worrying yet.

It's not about today - today was an example of many, many days in the past with Atletico shirt on... and has happened in LFC shirt too...

It's about improving our asset - I would bet my house the guy would welcome it if packaged properly by the coaching staff... he wants to be the best and will be the best - but he needs help from the best-red in that dept IMHO... and that is Rush.

Well for the rest of them yes, but I'm not going to buy it for Torres not just yet, because he has hardly played competitive in the last 6 weeks. This was what his first full game in about 6 weeks!

Can you all stop going on as if it's having a go at Fernando it's not.

It's not about today - today was an example of many, many days in the past with Atletico shirt on... and has happened in LFC shirt too...

It's about improving our asset - I would bet my house the guy would welcome it if packaged properly by the coaching staff... he wants to be the best and will be the best - but he needs help from the best-red in that dept IMHO... and that is Rush.

If you remember Rush was actually a coach here about 4 years a go.  Then he took the job at Chester City.

I'd recruit Rush back but I really do think you're being harsh on Fernando.

If you remember Rush was actually a coach here about 4 years a go.  Then he took the job at Chester City.

I'd recruit Rush back but I really do think you're being harsh on Fernando.

Why harsh?

The guys chances to goals ratio during his career is not that good. Fact.

Harsh to try to improve a very good player into a world-class player?

I am sure Rush would love to comeback... even if it's just for a week or two....hopefully more - I could see him and Rafa getting on.

I can feel a brief letter to Señor Rick Parry coming on... for what it's worth!

Lets not talk about his career because he still has about 10 years in front of him.  I don't know what he was like in spain, but so far here he has not shown any weakness in finishing. 

Lets not talk about his career because he still has about 10 years in front of him.  I don't know what he was like in spain, but so far here he has not shown any weakness in finishing. 

You sure? I wouldn't be so sure...

But hey, if he starts knocking them in willy nilly from now on... I would be the happiest humble pie eater on planet earth.

I badly want the lad (and all our forwards) to do well.

But Fernando in particular is a top bloke as well as a very, very good pro... I only and genuinely wish him well.

Why harsh?

The guys chances to goals ratio during his career is not that good. Fact.

Harsh to try to improve a very good player into a world-class player?

I am sure Rush would love to comeback... even if it's just for a week or two....hopefully more - I could see him and Rafa getting on.

I can feel a brief letter to Señor Rick Parry coming on... for what it's worth!

Maybe at Atletico he wasn't as good.  But I'm impressed with what I have seen from him thus far.

I'm not saying he's the best finisher in the world but there is potential there for that.  Today he looked rusty, but I would say he's getting his sharpness back.

All's I'm saying is you are being a little bit harsh because he obviously frustrated you today which triggered you to create this topic in the first place.  He frustrated me too. 

I'm not judging him yet, because lets face it.  He hasn't gone into every game this season and missed 5 attempts on the run.

It's still early doors.

I believe Torres came here without the reputation of being a deadly finisher but he could score goals. So would you say he has improved at all from his Madrid days in this particular part of his game, Donrafa?

If anything can be worked on and be improved in training then I'd be more than happy for it to happen!! But I don't think it's a necessity. When we're not creating chances, that's when I'd be a lot more concerned. Instinct plays a part when it comes down to putting the ball in the net and you can't teach that. I still think we need that type of deadly striker.

Good post Kenny.

Torres is the type of striker that pulls defenders away to create space for other players.

Maybe that's another reason why Rafa is going nuts for more money!

Such negativity.  The same day we trounce Newcastle 3-0 away.  I'm not replying again in to this thread.  I seriously question you're motivation.  You always seem to be looking for the flip side of the coin.  Torres has got 8 goals in the 14 matches he has played some part in for Liverpool this year.

If you want to continue living in your negative little world then fair enough.  But try not to use our most prolific striker as an example.

Such negativity.  The same day we trounce Newcastle 3-0 away.  I'm not replying again in to this thread.  I seriously question you're motivation.  You always seem to be looking for the flip side of the coin.  Torres has got 8 goals in the 14 matches he has played some part in for Liverpool this year.

If you want to continue living in your negative little world then fair enough.  But try not to use our most prolific striker as an example.

Good point KK. I knew someone would start a thread similar to this today and I wasn't dissappointed!! It seems that some members are always looking for a negative rather than just enjoying another comfortable win. I know we could have, and maybe should have scored more today but a 3-0 win is an excellent result as far as I'm concerned and I would be more worried if we weren't creating the chances in the first place.

As Kenny says Torres didn't come with a massive reputation as a prolific goalscorer and I will be more than happy if he continues with his form for the rest of the season. Also I don't think you can teach someone to be a better goalscorer as it is mainly down to instinct and as I said before if Fernando keeps creating chances for himself and others then we will not have many problems scoring throuhout the season.

this thread is a bit pointless


Torres could of had a hat trick today , sometimes it just doesn't go your way

His finishing though has really impressed me since he arrived, people spoke about his so called lack of finishing before he came but from what I've seen has, on occasion, been sublime.


He's young, he'll get better and so far he has scored some goals with such class its reallly exciting and I can only be positive

You sure? I wouldn't be so sure...

But hey, if he starts knocking them in willy nilly from now on... I would be the happiest humble pie eater on planet earth.

I badly want the lad (and all our forwards) to do well.

When he arrived at this club there were stats posted to suggest that he was an incompetent finisher.  His stats in spain maybe that he has needed more than 5 shots on goal to score a goal, but world class players stand to challenges.  And so far in his new challenge in england to be able to stand the physical side of our game and score more goals, he has done excellent.  The difference is that you have seen him in Spain and after todays game, you're probably saying dey ja vous.  But me, I have only really seen him play here and games like against Chelsea when he scores on his first opportunity and also like against Fulham stand out to me, so I'm thinking its a bad day at the office.  This season he has been as clinical as any striker in the league, so lets see the Torres at Liverpool for a season and then see that he needs to improve on his goal scoring, because confidence is a massive factor to strikers.

I live in Madrid, I have followed Fernando career since he was kid... his finishing has always been suspect.

There is nothing I want more in the world of football than for Fernando to improve that side of his game, because with all the other assets in his locker he would become the world greatest centre forward. I have no doubt.

It's not criticism, it's constructive... and the player came to improve his game - he has openly stated that.

Sorry I have to disagree with you, from your first post your statements were more reflective of the team as a whole yet you single out Fernando for criticism on one performance then again try to justify your arguments by stating you have followed his career since he was Kid. I find that of inconsequence I'm afraid as this is a Liverpool FC forum not an Athletic Madrid forum. Your statements in the first post were in my opion harsh and had tones of negativity, I appreciate the fact that you are spanish or live in madrid or whatever, but from what you have been saying I think you are being  over critical on a day when we totally kicked ass, albeit the opposition must have been drinking to many sangrias!!!!
As I stated in my response every team needs to work on finishing it should be part of training regime and to merely point out somethings about a striker who happens to have had a crap day but still given the opposition the hebee geebees everytime he got the ball, when infact  his last few matches he actually did  well, is in fact harsh criticism in my view. I think you still have to learn what it means to support LFC mate and remember if he wears a red shirt you should support him not overly criticize and be so negative, look at Harry Kewel I'm pretty sure if had played for Athletico he would have been hung like Mussolini by now.

Such negativity.  The same day we trounce Newcastle 3-0 away.  I'm not replying again in to this thread.  I seriously question you're motivation.  You always seem to be looking for the flip side of the coin.  Torres has got 8 goals in the 14 matches he has played some part in for Liverpool this year.

If you want to continue living in your negative little world then fair enough.  But try not to use our most prolific striker as an example.

My negative little world - you are having a laugh mate.

I love my club and all I want is for players to get better and better...

Jeez your post makes me wonder pal...

Whatever.

When he arrived at this club there were stats posted to suggest that he was an incompetent finisher.  His stats in spain maybe that he has needed more than 5 shots on goal to score a goal, but world class players stand to challenges.  And so far in his new challenge in england to be able to stand the physical side of our game and score more goals, he has done excellent.  The difference is that you have seen him in Spain and after todays game, you're probably saying dey ja vous.  But me, I have only really seen him play here and games like against Chelsea when he scores on his first opportunity and also like against Fulham stand out to me, so I'm thinking its a bad day at the office.  This season he has been as clinical as any striker in the league, so lets see the Torres at Liverpool for a season and then see that he needs to improve on his goal scoring, because confidence is a massive factor to strikers.

Good point... and any help he can get to become a better player should be welcomed.