Do we need a finisher or specialised finishing training?

Sorry I have to disagree with you, from your first post your statements were more reflective of the team as a whole yet you single out Fernando for criticism on one performance then again try to justify your arguments by stating you have followed his career since he was Kid. I find that of inconsequence I'm afraid as this is a Liverpool FC forum not an Athletic Madrid forum. Your statements in the first post were in my opion harsh and had tones of negativity, I appreciate the fact that you are spanish or live in madrid or whatever, but from what you have been saying I think you are being  over critical on a day when we totally kicked ass, albeit the opposition must have been drinking to many sangrias!!!!
As I stated in my response every team needs to work on finishing it should be part of training regime and to merely point out somethings about a striker who happens to have had a crap day but still given the opposition the hebee geebees everytime he got the ball, when infact  his last few matches he actually did  well, is in fact harsh criticism in my view. I think you still have to learn what it means to support LFC mate and remember if he wears a red shirt you should support him not overly criticize and be so negative, look at Harry Kewel I'm pretty sure if had played for Athletico he would have been hung like Mussolini by now.

HAHAHAHA - this is the best of the bunch.

Been a proud LFC supporter since 1974 and I don't support Atletico de Madrid - I support Liverpool FC and have done all my life... only been living in Spain for a few years.

HAAHAHAA... LMAO.

Of course I support Fernando and every other single player than pulls on the shirt - particularly if I travel over for a game... and in recent weeks, I am proud to say that I have made supporting calls to players than the average Anfield supporter.

What makes you think I've got it in for Fernando. Please read back... I offer nothing but support and suggest ways of improving his game.

Good point KK. I knew someone would start a thread similar to this today and I wasn't dissappointed!! It seems that some members are always looking for a negative rather than just enjoying another comfortable win. I know we could have, and maybe should have scored more today but a 3-0 win is an excellent result as far as I'm concerned and I would be more worried if we weren't creating the chances in the first place.

As Kenny says Torres didn't come with a massive reputation as a prolific goalscorer and I will be more than happy if he continues with his form for the rest of the season. Also I don't think you can teach someone to be a better goalscorer as it is mainly down to instinct and as I said before if Fernando keeps creating chances for himself and others then we will not have many problems scoring throuhout the season.

Read back - look at my very first statement on this thread. Is it negative about today's result?

Oh welllll - I think I've learnt my lesson about suggesting that idols can improve their game with some top class help...

YNWA.

Don't think clinical finishing is something you can teach easily.

Don't think clinical finishing is something you can teach easily.

So why do forwards do any training at all... just to stay fit?

Of course you can always - improve - your game as a forward...

looking at MOTD tonight it seemed that Torres was unlucky and didn't get the break he deserved. He hit the post and a number of his shots were just wide. I thought he looked very sharp today and his ability to take on people, pull defenders away from other players and create chances for himself is undeniable.

What I'd like to address is the issue of labeling a player such as Torres as someone who doesn't convert chances enough and then that label sticking so when he has an off day people start referring back to stats from another league. Tevez had an off day today and was awful.
I followed the discussion on here in the summer and I'm aware that the stats said that he didn't have the same shot/goal ratio as say Villa or Eto'o. Ok - can't argue with the Stats can we? But we can put them into context and also lay them to bed! His start here has been fantastic and long may it continue.

He has one 'off' day and some people will naturally be looking for the stats from La Liga but maybe lets just stick to the stats since he arrived at Anfield?

I think that its possible to practice finishing but I think alot of it comes down to instinct and I don't feel that this can really be taught. Also its hard to recreate in the training ground that split second moment that actually means something. Same goes for a penalty. It's all done subconsciously I feel.

I think Torres has that instinct and has already proved how clinical he can be for Liverpool.

I see negative criticism for Torres but no positive words mentioned for Stevie G?

I must say some fans do like to find negatives about our club instead of just sometimes putting on the rosey red glasses and finding positives from nothing instead of the other way round!

He dragged away players from the game to set up himself and his team mates, would any of our other strikers do that? no!

He is class, he deserves praise for his performance, his first in 6 weeks!

He clearly wasnt having his day with the shooting boots but i still believe he had a great game.

Of course I support Fernando and every other single player than pulls on the shirt - particularly if I travel over for a game... and in recent weeks, I am proud to say that I have made supporting calls to players than the average Anfield supporter.

Good for you. Forgive me for wondering what relevance that has to do with you being a Liverpool supporter though...

Although this thread was started with a positive intention, you can't really blame people for thinking it's aimed at Torres' missed chances against Newcastle can you? Why didn't you start it after the Blackburn game when Kuyt missed a plethora of chances?

You've had my opinion. The addition of a 'finisher' would be great. But we're creating many chances and long may it continue....

HAHAHAHA - this is the best of the bunch.

Been a proud LFC supporter since 1974 and I don't support Atletico de Madrid - I support Liverpool FC and have done all my life... only been living in Spain for a few years.

HAAHAHAA... LMAO.

Of course I support Fernando and every other single player than pulls on the shirt - particularly if I travel over for a game... and in recent weeks, I am proud to say that I have made supporting calls to players than the average Anfield supporter.

What makes you think I've got it in for Fernando. Please read back... I offer nothing but support and suggest ways of improving his game.

Sorry I dont see what so funny here, you laugh at my end statements yet you still dont argue the relevant points Ive made regarding your earlier posts!! Albeit you may very well have supported Liverpool since 1974, im afraid that is irrelivant to the debate we have been having here, my point wasnt that you were not a supporter my point at the end was that you were being over critical toward Fernando, and you stated that you thought we needed work on our finishing which every team needs to add to their training. As redkenny has stated you cant blame me or others for bating your negative overtones and my point is you are still not fully justifying your arguments, wheather you need to laugh or point out how long youve supposedly been a supporter is really is immaterial.

Sorry I dont see what so funny here, you laugh at my end statements yet you still dont argue the relevant points Ive made regarding your earlier posts!! Albeit you may very well have supported Liverpool since 1974, im afraid that is irrelivant to the debate we have been having here, my point wasnt that you were not a supporter my point at the end was that you were being over critical toward Fernando, and you stated that you thought we needed work on our finishing which every team needs to add to their training. As redkenny has stated you cant blame me or others for bating your negative overtones and my point is you are still not fully justifying your arguments, wheather you need to laugh or point out how long youve supposedly been a supporter is really is immaterial.

Negative and constructive criticism are two very different things...

When you perceive a possible problem and offer an viable solution, that is not negative overtones - that is being a realist and helpful.

I was as pleased as the next man with yesterday's result.

If you think I am not a supporter of Torres or negative about him, well that's your problem, certainly not mine or my son (who is potty about him).

Take care.

Torres is at least making the right runs to get a shot on goal,Ok he didnt score today but he will,as long as he is his making the keeper work then I cant see a problem.Thought a couple of times yesterday he was unlucky!

Well for the rest of them yes, but I'm not going to buy it for Torres not just yet, because he has hardly played competitive in the last 6 weeks. This was what his first full game in about 6 weeks!

Fully agree. We need to give him more time on the field to re-discover his touch. If the shot had gone in instead of hitting the post we would be singing a different tune by now. Having said that, we must not have short memories where Torres came on as a substitute and rescued us. The one who really needs some shooting practice is DK at the moment. Didn't Torres declared that he comes to LFC to become a better player, so he did not claim that he's a complete player/striker in the first place.

Can you all stop going on as if it's having a go at Fernando it's not.

I think we can go on and on and on, but i believe all of us have one common objective, that is we all want the best for LFC and getting Rush to give some tips will be most welcome as Rush is so commanding in the penalty box, not to mention the goals that he netted. We should look at the positives in yesterday's game and I'm very very impressed indeed as to how Babel linked up with Stevie and scored, resembles the past LFC great sides. That's exactly what I've wanted to see returning to our game, quick and slick moves, not continuously pumping the ball into the penalty box. Now we just have to build on that and link up with the 2 other strikers and midfielders to create more scoring opportunities and we'll see that coverting the chances may not be a major concern, in spite of missing a few here and there.

It's easy to criticize the strikers for not scoring but when the opportunity comes, it comes fast and the player has split second to think what he wants to do next, shoot or chip over the goalkeeper as what happened to one of Torres missed chances. I'm sure he will review the game and see where his mistakes were and I'm sure he'll learn from it to improve. No alarm on those missed chances and it will only make him a better player in future. He has already shown that he can score from near impossible positions and that speaks for itself on his qualities.

Torres is at least making the right runs to get a shot on goal,Ok he didnt score today but he will,as long as he is his making the keeper work then I cant see a problem.Thought a couple of times yesterday he was unlucky!

Totally agree - I think his movement and ball skills are top class. Just needs to work on the very last touch for goal - and then we probably have the world's greatest striker at our club...

In my book he is a top, top player - but he himself often admits he must improve and came to LFC to do so... (not that the fans on here think he needs to).

So why do forwards do any training at all... just to stay fit?

I'll transcend the argument back to you.  do you feel that under Benitez are the strikers not getting the right training?

I can see that are lot of people have got on your back for what might be an innocent suggestion, but you have to accept the timing and the fact that you made Torres a centre part of the reccommendation is where you got the reaction, he has done extremely well so far.  Can he improve of course he can, our coaching staff will be developing him and every member of the squad. 

Torres has a history of getting himself into great goal scoring positions and then fluffing his chances,anyone who watched him at Atletico would tell you this.Crouch seems to know where the goal is.The mystery to me is Dirk,whats happened to the guy who used to Terrorize teams in Holland?Hes became a workhorse and thats it.If you look at Rafa's previous clubs,he's never had a real 20+ goal a season man,he's relied on the goals being shared around.

Torres has a history of getting himself into great goal scoring positions and then fluffing his chances,anyone who watched him at Atletico would tell you this.Crouch seems to know where the goal is.The mystery to me is Dirk,whats happened to the guy who used to Terrorize teams in Holland?Hes became a workhorse and thats it.If you look at Rafa's previous clubs,he's never had a real 20+ goal a season man,he's relied on the goals being shared around.

The arguement here is about Torres at Liverpool, not the one at Athletico.  Its very obvious that our coaching staff new his weaknesses before he came and have and will continue to improve them.  The question is that are they doing the right job with Torres so far, my answer is so far so good.

Torres has a history of getting himself into great goal scoring positions and then fluffing his chances,anyone who watched him at Atletico would tell you this.

Spot on.

That's all I was trying to say... and have been saying for a while. My suggestion has been received very badly as you can see.

Oh well - hope the lad does well... as he has all other aspects of forward play well stocked in his locker.

The arguement here is about Torres at Liverpool, not the one at Athletico.  Its very obvious that our coaching staff new his weaknesses before he came and have and will continue to improve them.  The question is that are they doing the right job with Torres so far, my answer is so far so good.

Fair enough. I'm not going to argue with this one anymore.

I just want the lad to do well.

If he starts knocking them in, well simply, fantastic... if he doesn't Rafa/the club will have to work on where the weaknesses are.

I hope, as much as the next man, he does this without the need for enhanced/specialized training to improve his current chances to goals ratio - which I presume is pretty bad... but hey, if we keep winning, who will be counting?

I was only too glad we crushed Newcastle. We will need to continue scoring more consistently to stay relevant. I really don't think donrafael was being negative, he observed something and wanted input from everyone else. There was a time, when Torres go injured, that we were not scoring enough goals to win matches. I believe that phase is behind us now.

I think its a great Idea - it would be great for all the guys to hear the stories of succes and get reinvigorated.  A couple seesions with rush may do a little for finishing - but it would do a ton for team morale.

also - it just seems as if he is fluffing loads of chances, in reality he is creating such a large amount of chances that when he misses it is still the same ratios as those who din't get into those scoring positions.

I think its a great Idea - it would be great for all the guys to hear the stories of succes and get reinvigorated.  A couple seesions with rush may do a little for finishing - but it would do a ton for team morale.

That was my exact thinking when I set up the thread...

Lock this thread please. Before I get mullered!!!!

Well done my Niño ... absolute class tonight.