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      Q. Have you been Vaccinated?

      Yes: Age 70+
      0 (0%)
      Yes: Age 60-69
      6 (15%)
      Yes: Age 50-59
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      Yes: 49 and younger, with criteria.
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      3 (7.5%)
      No: Age 50-59
      3 (7.5%)
      No: 49 and younger.
      19 (47.5%)
      Not going to have it at present.
      5 (12.5%)

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      Have you been vaccinated?

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      heimdall
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      Reply #100: Mar 13, 2021 08:50:23 pm
      Quite a few, my current manager in work has been suffering from it and this is a good two months on from initial infection

      OK, interesting, although slightly anecdotal, I was wondering if there were any official stats on Long Covid. Is your manager still able to work or does it affect his life in a profound way?
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      Reply #101: Mar 13, 2021 08:56:44 pm
      OK, interesting, although slightly anecdotal, I was wondering if there were any official stats on Long Covid. Is your manager still able to work or does it affect his life in a profound way?

      She has been homeworking, tried to come when she was due back, but looked awful and totally drained, lasted half a day and ended working from home for the following two weeks. Was speaking to her last week and she said she still has chest issues when breathing, it feels like her chest is being compressed was how she described it to me.
      heimdall
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      Reply #102: Mar 13, 2021 08:56:48 pm

      Thanks, that was quite interesting, OK so Long Covid is defined as having any symptom after 5 weeks, but its seriously vague, and the data not weighted properly etc. In any case even taking a slight cough as a symptom after 5 weeks then Long Covid can be attributed to about 15% or about 300k people in the UK which sounds a lot but remember 10's of millions of people have had Covid, according to the tests.
      heimdall
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      Reply #103: Mar 13, 2021 08:58:45 pm
      Some clown?

      If the whole medical community are telling you the same thing what is the issue?

      I assume from now on you will be self diagnosing and treating yourself and your family with any ailment they suffer.

      Heaven forbid you or one of your family suffer from cancer because guess what new medicines are targeting tumours with vaccines using the mRNA technology!



      Ah but that's the thing, a good chunk of the medical community disagree but they are being silenced. For example on Facebook and Twitter if your question the vaccine or Covid approach you have your account suspended, that makes me very uncomfortable and nervous, I want to hear all opinions.
      heimdall
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      Reply #104: Mar 13, 2021 09:02:56 pm
      She has been homeworking, tried to come when she was due back, but looked awful and totally drained, lasted half a day and ended working from home for the following two weeks. Was speaking to her last week and she said she still has chest issues when breathing, it feels like her chest is being compressed was how she described it to me.

      Hope she gets better soon, but I still think that kind of severe Long Covid is rare. Please tell her to take a LOT of Vitamin C and D, that should help a bit although I'm sure her GP would have said the same, as will  warmer weather.

      In any case just to reiterate I am 100% pro Vaccine for vulnerable people, but I'm of the opinion that if you don't need to take a rushed to market vaccine then don't, the risks of Covid for most people under 60 are minimal.

      https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-death-data-in-england-daily-update/
      HScRed1
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      Reply #105: Mar 13, 2021 09:21:04 pm
      Ah but that's the thing, a good chunk of the medical community disagree but they are being silenced. For example on Facebook and Twitter if your question the vaccine or Covid approach you have your account suspended, that makes me very uncomfortable and nervous, I want to hear all opinions.

      Which medical community is being silenced?

      Facebook and Twitter ;D that is exactly the problem.........with thickos who usually are not qualified enough to get a interview at McDonalds yet think they know more than than some of the brightest minds in the world and then other morons take their views as the truth!
      CT_LFC
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      Reply #106: Mar 13, 2021 09:37:42 pm
      Some clown?

      If the whole medical community are telling you the same thing what is the issue?

      I assume from now on you will be self diagnosing and treating yourself and your family with any ailment they suffer.

      Heaven forbid you or one of your family suffer from cancer because guess what new medicines are targeting tumours with vaccines using the mRNA technology!


      Yes. Some political clown in a government office is the one making decisions.
      Lallana in Pyjamas
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      Reply #107: Mar 14, 2021 09:03:37 am
      Ah but that's the thing, a good chunk of the medical community disagree but they are being silenced. For example on Facebook and Twitter if your question the vaccine or Covid approach you have your account suspended, that makes me very uncomfortable and nervous, I want to hear all opinions.

      Who is being “silenced”


      The only people that are having their accounts suspended are people who are spreading false information about both Covid and the vaccine
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      Reply #108: Mar 14, 2021 01:17:52 pm
      Who is being “silenced”


      The only people that are having their accounts suspended are people who are spreading false information about both Covid and the vaccine

      This is on the BBC. This is the Irish government taking action after Scandinavian governments warned against possible side effects.
      If this was a claim made by some random joe on Twitter his account would be suspended. I think that’s the point the user above is making.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56391818
      heimdall
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      Reply #109: Mar 14, 2021 03:52:27 pm
      Which medical community is being silenced?

      Facebook and Twitter ;D that is exactly the problem.........with thickos who usually are not qualified enough to get a interview at McDonalds yet think they know more than than some of the brightest minds in the world and then other morons take their views as the truth!

      The Great Barrington declaration was effectively silenced by Main Stream Media and Social Media. There are plenty of eminent scientists and Doctors who are against the extreme Covid measures which have been put in place in many countries.
      Perhaps they are all thick: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54442386
      heimdall
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      Reply #110: Mar 14, 2021 04:01:43 pm
      Who is being “silenced”


      The only people that are having their accounts suspended are people who are spreading false information about both Covid and the vaccine

      False information according to WHO ;-)

      In all seriousness who decides what information is false and what is true and should we not be able to hear all opinions and make our own opinions, I quite like free speech and free opinions, governments certainly don't! The world population seems to be willingly entering a very dystopian future where Big Tech together with Governments set the truth and we have no choice but to accept it!


      BTW an interesting stat is that California and Florida have similar Covid infection and death rates despite one state having very strict lockdown protocols and the other one a far more relaxed approach, an example of this is that Disneyland is shut whilst DisneyWorld has been open since July.
      HUYTON RED
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      Reply #111: Mar 14, 2021 04:09:17 pm
      The Great Barrington declaration was effectively silenced by Main Stream Media and Social Media. There are plenty of eminent scientists and Doctors who are against the extreme Covid measures which have been put in place in many countries.
      Perhaps they are all thick: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54442386

      5 failings of the Great Barrington Declaration’s dangerous plan for COVID-19 natural herd immunity
         

      Good science and sound public health policy are needed to guide us through a pandemic that will likely continue throughout 2021. Public buy-in is essential for long-term adherence to effective public health measures such as wearing masks in indoor spaces, hand washing, maintaining physical distancing and staying home when sick.

      These measures can control case spread but, let’s face it, they are no fun. Even harder to weather are the intermittent closures of businesses and schools in response to local pandemic spikes.

      We have never been in more need of coherent and consistent messaging from the medical professionals, scientists, public health agencies and the government. Unfortunately, reckless messaging by some doctors and scientists is feeding mistrust of public health policies.

      Infectious bad ideas called cognogens readily spread in our stressed pandemic environment. One such cognogen, the Great Barrington Declaration , is causing harm. The declaration takes its name from Great Barrington, a Massachusetts resort town. This declaration, signed by 12,000 people, is sponsored by the American Institute for Economic Research, a libertarian think-tank.

      The declaration begins with the false premise that governments intend to lock down society, and cherry-picks facts (for example, that COVID-19 infections are mild in healthy people). It states:

      "Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk.”

      The 5 flaws
      1. It creates a false dichotomy. The declaration rhetoric offers a false choice between a wholesale return to our pre-pandemic lives (which is objectively dangerous) versus a total lockdown (which no one advocates). Across Canada, schools, daycares and businesses are open and we are providing health care for patients who suffer from non-COVID-19 diseases. Timothy Caulfield, Canada Research Chair in health law and policy, notes that it’s not a binary choice between the Barrington perspective and full lockdown, and that governments are striving to balance public health with economic recovery.

      This is true in Ontario where, after the first COVID-19 peak, the province reopened in three stages, guided by epidemiology.

      2. The Barrington declaration gives oxygen to fringe groups. The signatories did not intend to support such fringe groups, but their rhetoric invalidates public health policy and feeds the 19 per cent of North Americans who don’t trust public health officials.

      When physicians and scientists sign on to the declaration they support the fears of an increasingly anxious public and fuel conspiracy theories. This is even more dangerous in America with a president that many people view as divisive, and fringe groups such as the paramilitary Oath Keepers and QAnon.

      3. The Barrington declaration puts individual preference far above public good. The declaration advocates that, “individual people, based upon their own perception of their risk of dying from COVID-19 and other personal circumstances, personally choose the risks, activities and restrictions they prefer.”

      If these views were applied to traffic safety, chaos would ensue as we each chose our own speed limit and which side of the road to drive on. Public health matters, and the approach of the declaration to place ideology over facts helps fuel the pandemic.

      4. The declaration misunderstands herd immunity. Herd immunity occurs when a large enough proportion of the population has immunity, usually more than 70 per cent. Viral spread is then slowed because the virus largely encounters immune people. Herd immunity can be safely achieved by vaccines, but in order to “naturally” develop herd immunity, people must first survive the infection.

      Despite more than nine million cases in the United States, less than 10 per cent of Americans have COVID-19 antibodies. Even if true caseloads were 10-fold greater than recognized, 94 per cent of people remain susceptible and, if rapidly infected, would swamp the health-care system and lead to many avoidable deaths.

      The declaration’s approach amounts to a global chickenpox party, a historical means of generating immunity to the varicella-zoster virus that causes chickenpox. Healthy children were put in close contact with an infected child so that all became infected with chickenpox.

      Unfortunately, even some healthy children suffered severe complications and unintended people were often infected. At least with chickenpox there was no risk of epidemic spread because society had herd immunity (which we lack for COVID-19).

      5. The declaration offers no details on how it would protect the vulnerable. In Ontario, more than 60 per cent of COVID-19 deaths have occurred in residents of nursing homes and long-term care (LTC) facilities. COVID-19 is imported into LTCs from the community by relatives and health-care workers, so we must prevent viral spread in the community to keep these vulnerable people safe.

      The experts have spoken: Experts view the Barrington declaration as wrong-minded and dangerous. Dr. Anthony Fauci dismissed the idea, calling it dangerous.

      The declaration is also rebutted by the 6,400 vetted signatories of the John Snow Memorandum, named for the 19th-century pioneer of epidemiology.

      The Snow memorandum cites clear evidence that the virus is highly contagious, several times more lethal than influenza and can have lasting consequences, even in healthy people. It affirms that COVID-19 can be constrained by good public health measures, and warns that herd immunity may be hard to achieve. It concludes:

      “… controlling community spread of COVID-19 is the best way to protect our societies and economies until safe and effective vaccines and therapeutics arrive within the coming months.”

      The Infectious Diseases Society of America’s 12,000 front-line infectious diseases scientists, physicians and public health experts strongly denounce the Barrington declaration.

      Finally, Wisconsin’s epidemic exemplifies the failure of Barrington declaration’s ideology. Its Republican-controlled legislature has supported legal challenges to the governor’s mask mandate even as the state’s rate of positive COVID-19 tests spiked to nearly 30 per cent and hospitalizations skyrocketed.

      The Great Barrington Declaration, supported by U.S. President Donald Trump, is naive and dangerous. Physicians and scientists must be responsible in our pronouncements and not sow mistrust of effective public health measures.

      Author: Stephen L Archer
      Professor, Head of Department of Medicine, Queen's University, Ontario


      https://theconversation.com/5-failings-of-the-great-barrington-declarations-dangerous-plan-for-covid-19-natural-herd-immunity-148975
      Shabs
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      Reply #112: Mar 14, 2021 04:26:11 pm
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      Reply #113: Mar 14, 2021 04:26:23 pm
      The Great Barrington declaration was effectively silenced by Main Stream Media and Social Media. There are plenty of eminent scientists and Doctors who are against the extreme Covid measures which have been put in place in many countries.
      Perhaps they are all thick: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54442386

      As a proportion there are vanishingly small numbers of health experts who oppose vaccines and lockdowns. Look at the article you linked - "6000 experts including dozens from the UK" Six thousand out of millions around the world! And there are at least 24 from the UK!!! See how easy it is to mislead with dishonest framing? People are so gullible.
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      Reply #114: Mar 14, 2021 05:07:59 pm

      Are people seriously worried about this vaccine? I find it fascinating.

      The more anxious and worried you are the more negative things will happen to you.

      The overwhelming majority of people will have no serious side effects - the same principle with the virus.

      Just the chance you take, that’s life.
      CT_LFC
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      Reply #115: Mar 14, 2021 05:56:46 pm
      Are people seriously worried about this vaccine? I find it fascinating.

      The more anxious and worried you are the more negative things will happen to you.

      The overwhelming majority of people will have no serious side effects - the same principle with the virus.

      Just the chance you take, that’s life.

      When there’s a shoddy link to click on, Shabs is rushing to be the first.
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      Reply #116: Mar 14, 2021 05:59:45 pm
      When there’s a shoddy link to click on, Shabs is rushing to be the first.

      🖕🏼

      https://twitter.com/naomirwolf/status/1371081463299461125?s=21
      « Last Edit: Mar 14, 2021 07:46:16 pm by Shabs »
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      Reply #117: Mar 14, 2021 08:00:29 pm

      F**k me, you get more people suffering from the side effects from Nurofen than you do with this. Also turns out that the % population who get blood clots amongst AZ vaccinated is about the same as those unvaccinated. The decision to suspend is cautionary but affordable for the likes of Ireland given that's not their main supply apparently.

      (Just looked at Wolf's biog... yep. She's a nutjob conspiracy theorist. Also has form for the spreading of misinformation and lies about ebola back in 2015).
      « Last Edit: Mar 14, 2021 08:10:55 pm by Frankly, Mr Shankly »
      Lallana in Pyjamas
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      Reply #118: Mar 14, 2021 08:11:02 pm


      That’s all come from Hearns who stated he was in ICU after the vaccine - where as he actually died at home
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      Reply #119: Mar 14, 2021 09:34:20 pm
      I had the AZ vaccine on Friday, absolutely fine till yesterday afternoon when I suddenly came over as feeling extremely lethargic and very tired and just felt exhausted, had a touch of flu like symptons, I went to bed at 7pm and slept for over 12 hours, still felt shattered this morning but feeling a bit better now, if that's the only problem I'll have from it, I can cope with that.

      My own personal feelings are that it's in everyone's best interest to have the vaccine to protect themselves and those around them.
      CT_LFC
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      Reply #120: Mar 14, 2021 09:36:32 pm

      BTW an interesting stat is that California and Florida have similar Covid infection and death rates despite one state having very strict lockdown protocols and the other one a far more relaxed approach, an example of this is that Disneyland is shut whilst DisneyWorld has been open since July.

      Right. FL and CA have been at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to mandates. FL (and Georgia) were some of the first states to open and their governors were shredded by the media for it and yet CA has done no better than them in containing the virus.

      FL schools have been open since the fall and CA’s are still closed. In CA you cannot be seen without a mask while in FL it hasn’t been required since around Sep last year, though I believe there are still cases where you have to wear them.

      These are the same clowns who will determine what % they arbitrarily want vaccinated before fully letting people get on with their lives.
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      Reply #121: Mar 14, 2021 09:47:47 pm
      Yes I was lethargic for a day, it means your body is working correctly with the vaccine.

      Yeah, my Son told me that too, I was expecting to have some sort of reaction.
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      Reply #122: Mar 15, 2021 01:27:57 pm
      Right. FL and CA have been at opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to mandates. FL (and Georgia) were some of the first states to open and their governors were shredded by the media for it and yet CA has done no better than them in containing the virus.

      FL schools have been open since the fall and CA’s are still closed. In CA you cannot be seen without a mask while in FL it hasn’t been required since around Sep last year, though I believe there are still cases where you have to wear them.

      These are the same clowns who will determine what % they arbitrarily want vaccinated before fully letting people get on with their lives.

      Florida hasn't had a mask mandate, but most places require them. It's true we've been one of the only states to be basically completely "open" and we have seen lower rates of infection and death rates than most of the states with the strictest mandates and measure in place. My kids have been in school this entire year and there have been some challenges, but overall, it's been great for them, I feel extremely blessed to live in this state because if I hadn't, I would have gone nuts.

      A place like New York is a joke at this point. The media darling Cuomo should have been put on trial for basically murdering old people and he was always flaunting "how good" NY was doing compared to places like Florida...well look who he isn't ragging on anymore (not like he has the time with all of the women he's been sexually harassing). Florida has some of the best numbers when you look at infections and deaths per capita (if you don't look at per capita rates, you are being disingenuous and aren't really concerned with proper analysis of the data) and interestingly...the places in our state where they have had the most problems....are places with the strictest mask mandates (Miami and SE, Tampa and Orlando). Go figure
      FL Red
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      Reply #123: Mar 15, 2021 01:30:37 pm
      Has anyone bothered to ask how long this vaccine is going to provide protection? Or if you have to get a booster every so often? My understanding is that it's not really known (which is worrisome in and of itself). Over here they are even saying that even if you get the vaccine you still need to wear a mask and social distance....if you have to continue doing that, why the hell are we getting vaccinated?

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      Reply #124: Mar 15, 2021 01:33:31 pm
      Got mine booked in for 5.10 this Wednesday ,off to Melwood for mine so I’ll have to pay my respects when I get through the gate  ;).

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