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      MarkMitt
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #100: Feb 23, 2021 10:22:03 pm
      I think you are underestimating Matip's value. The guy is still not old for a CB and is very good at his position. Obviously his injuries are no secret, but that does not take away from his quality and value if we wanted to sell him.

      As good as Matip is (and he is very good), Who’s going to pay a shed load for a player that misses a good chunk of every season, which we got on a free in the first place? What do YOU think he’s worth?
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #101: Feb 23, 2021 10:31:53 pm
      Who is going to pay bigger money for a man who cant play 3 games in a row?

      His first 3 years here he played over 20 games in each of them.  Not exactly iron-man durability, but not horrible either. I get the last 2 seasons he's played very little, but Lovren was pretty injury prone as well and we got ~10M for him and he's not as good as Joel.
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      Reply #102: Feb 23, 2021 10:35:30 pm
      His first 3 years here he played over 20 games in each of them.  Not exactly iron-man durability, but not horrible either. I get the last 2 seasons he's played very little, but Lovren was pretty injury prone as well and we got ~10M for him and he's not as good as Joel.

      I think if you can get 20 league games and the CL games out of Joel, he’s a keeper. Dunno if that’s possible though...

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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #103: Feb 23, 2021 10:38:08 pm
      So depressing talking about all this, please Juergen turn it around 🙏🙏🙏
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      Reply #104: Feb 23, 2021 10:49:51 pm
      So depressing talking about all this, please Juergen turn it around 🙏🙏🙏

      If he has a fully fit squad available to him (with a couple of additions), then turning it around isn’t an issue. A freak season that in some ways could have been PARTIALLY avoided, but even then would’ve have been a top 4 battle, instead of an all assault in PL retention.

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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #105: Feb 24, 2021 11:06:36 am
      The thing here is people associate an overhaul as being 20 out and 20 in.

      For me its simply adding a few maybe 5 or 6, clearing out those not in the frame .

      Id do it either way, had this been another succesful year or gone the way it has
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #106: Feb 24, 2021 11:27:02 am
      As good as Matip is (and he is very good), Who’s going to pay a shed load for a player that misses a good chunk of every season, which we got on a free in the first place? What do YOU think he’s worth?


      for a free hes been fantastic (when fit)
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      Reply #107: Feb 24, 2021 11:29:13 am
      for a free hes been fantastic (when fit)

      If we get Virg and Joe back fit fir the start of next season and add 1 more id gladly keep Joel as my 4th choice.
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      Reply #108: Feb 24, 2021 03:48:25 pm
      As good as Matip is (and he is very good), Who’s going to pay a shed load for a player that misses a good chunk of every season, which we got on a free in the first place? What do YOU think he’s worth?


      Southampton? Shame Bournemouth aren't around any more.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #109: Feb 24, 2021 05:08:16 pm
      An example of my overhaul, based on players we are linked with, and one I just think we should go for..

      Out;
      Karius
      Adrian
      Matip
      Philips
      Gini
      Milner
      Shaq
      Ox
      Minamino
      Origi
      Woodburn
      Gruij
      Ojo
      Wilson
      Awoninyi
      Kabak end of loan

      Loan:
      Kelleher
      Williams R

      In:
      Elliott return from loan
      Gravenberch
      Bremer
      Caleste-Car though id go for Schurrs
      Dyabala
      Raphinia
      Begovic

      First 11

      Becker Trent Virg Joe Robbo Hendo Fab thiago Mo Bobby Sadio

      2nd 11

      Begovic Neco Bremer Car/Schurrs Tsmikas. Jones Keita Gravenberch. Raphina Dyabala Jota. Elliott in the mix to

      Thats not necessarily the order Id have it though
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #110: Feb 24, 2021 05:11:32 pm
      As good as Matip is (and he is very good), Who’s going to pay a shed load for a player that misses a good chunk of every season, which we got on a free in the first place? What do YOU think he’s worth?

      The fact we got him on a free won't make a difference to the price tag but obviously his injury troubles will.

      If he'd stayed relatively fit these last couple of seasons we wouldn't even be discussing how much we'd be able to recoup for him, but I think his market value would be around 50M.

      As things are I'd say he's around the 15M mark. May seem a bit pricey given his injury troubles but I think there would still be a few clubs willing to take that gamble. His injury history is a risk but if he's able to stay fit you've gotten yourself 29 y/o world class centre half for a bargain price
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #111: Feb 24, 2021 05:16:13 pm
      Have we been taken over?
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      Reply #112: Feb 24, 2021 06:12:20 pm
      If we get Virg and Joe back fit fir the start of next season and add 1 more id gladly keep Joel as my 4th choice.

      As a defensive pairing, I’d actually say that VVD and Joel would be my first choice if it wasn’t for fitness issues. Joe Gomez is a very good CB and only going to get better, but right now Joel just shades it for me.

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      Reply #113: Feb 24, 2021 06:20:19 pm
      As a defensive pairing, I’d actually say that VVD and Joel would be my first choice if it wasn’t for fitness issues. Joe Gomez is a very good CB and only going to get better, but right now Joel just shades it for me.


      For me too, Joel fully fit and in good form shades Joe, comfortable bringing ball out, good in the air, nicks goals.
      Only problem is he's made of wet paper.
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      Reply #114: Feb 24, 2021 07:53:03 pm
      For me too, Joel fully fit and in good form shades Joe, comfortable bringing ball out, good in the air, nicks goals.
      Only problem is he's made of wet paper.

      I very much doubt he’s that strong 😎

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      Reply #115: Mar 01, 2021 05:08:51 pm
      Squad doesn’t need an overhaul, it needs its core players back and a break

      We have competed with this current city side for 3 seasons, a side that many call the greatest squad of the PL era, with one of the best managers in history at the helm

      This squad has competed with them, building up, then narrowly missing out whilst getting a points total that would set records in most seasons of football history, it then continues and adds the CL trophy, does it then drop off and feel sorry for itself? Does it f**k, it goes again and beats this fantastic City side by a massive margin to claim the league

      That’s claiming a league for the first time in30 years, with the pressure that this club passes onto its players, the weight of the shirt, the weight of the history, the weight of the expectation, it finally gets there and wins that elusive league, on the back of being at a standard not seen really in history for 3 years running, 3 years where they didn’t let that pressure or the disappointment of just missing out get to them

      Then it gets hit by a global pandemic, which not only robs them of the celebration of bringing that title back to Merseyside and the adulation they deserve but it also robs them of a proper break to recharge, it also robs them of the need to see their loved ones, the foreign players are worried about what’s happening in their home countries, yes it’s been hard for us but can you imagine not even being able to get back to your country ?
      Look at the way the Brazilians are handling COVID, and people question Bobby and Ali not taking into account what mentally they could be going through

      Then on the football side we have had injuries and injuries after injuries

      So no it doesn’t need rebuilding, it like all of us just needs the world to get back to normal and then it needs a couple of new faces that all squads, even the best need every summer

      This is one of the best squads we have ever assembled, one that deserves admiration and understanding not a rebuild
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      Reply #116: Mar 02, 2021 09:53:48 pm
      Squad doesn’t need an overhaul, it needs its core players back and a break

      We have competed with this current city side for 3 seasons, a side that many call the greatest squad of the PL era, with one of the best managers in history at the helm

      This squad has competed with them, building up, then narrowly missing out whilst getting a points total that would set records in most seasons of football history, it then continues and adds the CL trophy, does it then drop off and feel sorry for itself? Does it f**k, it goes again and beats this fantastic City side by a massive margin to claim the league

      That’s claiming a league for the first time in30 years, with the pressure that this club passes onto its players, the weight of the shirt, the weight of the history, the weight of the expectation, it finally gets there and wins that elusive league, on the back of being at a standard not seen really in history for 3 years running, 3 years where they didn’t let that pressure or the disappointment of just missing out get to them

      Then it gets hit by a global pandemic, which not only robs them of the celebration of bringing that title back to Merseyside and the adulation they deserve but it also robs them of a proper break to recharge, it also robs them of the need to see their loved ones, the foreign players are worried about what’s happening in their home countries, yes it’s been hard for us but can you imagine not even being able to get back to your country ?
      Look at the way the Brazilians are handling COVID, and people question Bobby and Ali not taking into account what mentally they could be going through

      Then on the football side we have had injuries and injuries after injuries

      So no it doesn’t need rebuilding, it like all of us just needs the world to get back to normal and then it needs a couple of new faces that all squads, even the best need every summer

      This is one of the best squads we have ever assembled, one that deserves admiration and understanding not a rebuild

      Excellent well written post and agree with everything you've said.
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      Reply #117: Mar 05, 2021 07:37:36 am
      Squad doesn’t need an overhaul, it needs its core players back and a break

      We have competed with this current city side for 3 seasons, a side that many call the greatest squad of the PL era, with one of the best managers in history at the helm

      This squad has competed with them, building up, then narrowly missing out whilst getting a points total that would set records in most seasons of football history, it then continues and adds the CL trophy, does it then drop off and feel sorry for itself? Does it f**k, it goes again and beats this fantastic City side by a massive margin to claim the league

      That’s claiming a league for the first time in30 years, with the pressure that this club passes onto its players, the weight of the shirt, the weight of the history, the weight of the expectation, it finally gets there and wins that elusive league, on the back of being at a standard not seen really in history for 3 years running, 3 years where they didn’t let that pressure or the disappointment of just missing out get to them

      Then it gets hit by a global pandemic, which not only robs them of the celebration of bringing that title back to Merseyside and the adulation they deserve but it also robs them of a proper break to recharge, it also robs them of the need to see their loved ones, the foreign players are worried about what’s happening in their home countries, yes it’s been hard for us but can you imagine not even being able to get back to your country ?
      Look at the way the Brazilians are handling COVID, and people question Bobby and Ali not taking into account what mentally they could be going through

      Then on the football side we have had injuries and injuries after injuries

      So no it doesn’t need rebuilding, it like all of us just needs the world to get back to normal and then it needs a couple of new faces that all squads, even the best need every summer

      This is one of the best squads we have ever assembled, one that deserves admiration and understanding not a rebuild




      Good post mate, agree with you for the most part, the core of our squad is fantastic, but we have no back up, we have been lucky last two/three seasons with injuries, alas, this one is totally different, they have brought to light just how fragile our squad is, we simply do not have the quality of players needed to replace the first choice players if injured,

      Adrian, not good enough, Neco has potential, Kabak, Davies, Matip, not good enough or unreliable, Tsimikas not seen enough of,
      Ox, Shaqiri, not good enough, Jones has potential, Gini probably gone, Origi, I’ll drive him to the airport,

      That’s seven players we need to replace with quality, not bang average or of a similar level, as I alluded to in another thread, we need a huge investment of funds and I’m talking mega millions, two would be in excess of £160m+

      Your right in saying it doesn’t need a overhaul, so long as we don’t get any injuries, but look at how sh*te we have been with those injuries, fact is those who replaced our injured were simply not good enough and in fact are inferior to what we need, we need high quality players ready and able to step in and compete for places like for like with automatic choices,

      Jürgen I hope will go to Micheal Edwards with a shopping list and tell him, not ask, get me these players if you want LFC to remain at the top table, get me these players that will bring us multiple titles & CL’s, we have a very solid core but we need to consolidate it by adding top quality individuals, Klopp will have his own list I’m sure but if it were me on my list would be......

      Gravenberch, Grealish, Konate, Sancho, Haaland/Jimenez, Neves, ...

      We need to have a plan ‘B’ and even a ‘C’ and have the ability to play different formations, the current system works unless hit by injuries or the buses get parked or both,

      So out goes the deadwood and in comes the quality that we need, and the successes that they will bring.



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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #118: Mar 05, 2021 08:31:11 am
      I still don't think we need a drastic over haul but this squad of players as it stands needs at least two  starters signed in the summer.

      We need a change as this squad collectively has gone I fear. Mentally and physically exhausted and I'm not sure it can recover without some pretty major changes.

      Not in numbers but in big players moving on and replaced with similar quality.
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      Reply #119: Mar 05, 2021 09:15:14 am
      This wont be popular but....

      If we are going to persist with our left full as a new winger like Robbo has played last 2 games, I think we need to buy someone who will add goals from it. Robbo wont give us that

      I like the idea, and I love Robbo but its an area that gets him into goalscoring positions, so a more clinical finisher might be a positive influence

      Or else Robbo has to train with Rushie or something to work on finishing
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      Reply #120: Mar 05, 2021 09:19:53 am
      This wont be popular but....

      If we are going to persist with our left full as a new winger like Robbo has played last 2 games, I think we need to buy someone who will add goals from it. Robbo wont give us that

      I like the idea, and I love Robbo but its an area that gets him into goalscoring positions, so a more clinical finisher might be a positive influence

      Or else Robbo has to train with Rushie or something to work on finishing

      It's not an issue if our forwards are scoring though Bri.

      Mane and Firmino in particular have been poor in that regards for a while.

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      Reply #121: Mar 05, 2021 09:22:57 am
      It's not an issue if our forwards are scoring though Bri.

      Mane and Firmino in particular have been poor in that regards for a while.



      They arent and didnt look like it last night, Robbo had a shot on the edge of the box with time and space, he made a cock of it.

      But hes now in areas where hes had more chances in the last 2 games then I recall him ever having before.

      If he works on his finishing, we are laughing
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      Reply #122: Mar 05, 2021 12:46:33 pm
      As we’ve seen under FSG ownership, we have to sell a star player whenever we rebuild the team.

      In an ideal world I’d love salah to stay, but I think it’s going to have to be him who goes to free up the funds. He’s our biggest asset and he’s at the age now where it’s our last opportunity to get a major fee for him.

      We’ve obviously suffered in defence this season but I’m presuming VVD and Gomez will return and produce the same high levels of performance. Matip is useless. I rate him highly as a player but what use is he when he’s never fit. So he needs moving on and we need to sign two cbs as cover.

      Gini is clearly off so he needs replacing. Keita falls into the same category as matip. Very good player but what use is he when he’s never fit. He goes down as one of our worst ever signings and we will lose a big chunk of money on him. Milner, ox and Shaqiri can all go too.

      The main weakness has been in the 9 position though. Bobby has been shocking for a long time now and has become a passenger. I’d say signing a proper centre forward has to be the priority, and then obviously we would need to replace salah too. I expect divock to be gone.

      It then becomes guess work and football manager like. I’ve no idea how much we’d earn from those players leaving. I’d guess salah 150, keita 30, ox 25, Shaqiri 25, origi 20. Probably recoup more for them because we’ve become very good at selling players.

      For the cb cover positions, we have to be realistic. These are players who are going to be third or fourth choice so they will only play a handful of games for us. So it’s pointless suggesting ramos or boateng.  Therefore, if the price was right, I wouldn’t mind conor Coady coming in as third choice centre half and then signing Schar from newcastle as fourth choice centre half who is on a free I think. Ryan Bertrand is also on a free and he would be very good cover for Robbo.

      In midfield then the Brighton lad bissouma could be a potential replacement for Gini and he has the type of attributes that would fit in well with a klopp midfield. Another midfielder id look at is the lad who’s flying for sporting Lisbon at the minute, goncalves. He flopped at wolves but has transformed himself now.

      We’d need a right mid and I’d take a stab at dembele. I think Barca need to sell or they still owe us a huge chunk of the coutinho money so we could get him for a much cheaper price than what they bought him for. I know he’s hardly blown Barca away but he could do wonders in our team under Jürgen.

      Our major signing has to be haaland. I think we have a realistic chance of getting him. We’re a bigger club than dortmund and can pay higher wages than them. I think he’d jump at the chance of signing for us and working with klopp and I think his fee would be lower than what salah would go for.


      Ali / kelleher
      Trent / neco
      Robbo / Bertrand / tsmikas
      VVD / coady
      Gomez / schar

      Fabinho
      Hendo / bissouma
      Thiago / goncalves / Jones

      Mane / jota
      Haaland / bobby
      Dembele / minamino


      Midfield looks a bit bare so maybe one or two other signings. Just a bit of fun this by  the way out of boredom!

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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #123: Mar 05, 2021 02:49:08 pm
      Starting to look more likely that the relentless heavy metal has taken its toll on a few in midfield and attack.

      It’s a conundrum why Klopp likes a small squad bearing in mind his ask there again if you’re not going to get the quality required you play with what you have.

      Too be fair I’m surprised we have managed this long with the core team.

      We need a rebuild should have started in 19/20 but is inevitable now.

      All great teams naturally have a life cycle and need rebuilds think of our great teams of the 80’s and even Fergies teams.
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      Reply #124: Mar 08, 2021 05:51:21 pm
      Looking at the squad we're in serious need of a significant overhaul. For me our squad has too many average and injury prone players to compete with the big clubs going forward.

      Goalkeepers

      1. Alisson - KEEP
      13. Adrian - RELEASE
      62. Caoimhin Kelleher - KEEP

      Defenders

      4. Virgil van Dijk - KEEP
      12. Joe Gomez - KEEP
      19. Ozan Kabak - KEEP
      21. Kostas Tsimikas - SELL
      26. Andy Robertson - KEEP
      28. Ben Davies - KEEP
      32. Joel Matip - SELL
      47. Nat Phillips - SELL
      66. Trent Alexander-Arnold - KEEP
      76. Neco Williams - SELL

      Midfielders

      3. Fabinho - KEEP
      5. Georginio Wijnaldum - RELEASE
      6. Thiago - KEEP
      7. James Milner - RELEASE
      8. Naby Keita - SELL
      14. Jordan Henderson - KEEP
      15. Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain - SELL
      17. Curtis Jones - KEEP

      Forwards

      9. Roberto Firmino - SELL
      10. Sadio Mane - KEEP
      11. Mohamed Salah - KEEP
      20. Diogo Jota - KEEP
      23. Xherdan Shaqiri - SELL
      27. Divock Origi - SELL

      Currently out on loan:

      Takumi Minamino – Southampton - SELL
      Harvey Elliott – Blackburn - KEEP
      Harry Wilson – Cardiff - SELL
      Marko Grujic – Porto - SELL
      Loris Karius – Union Berlin - SELL
      Liam Millar – Charlton - SELL
      Kamil Grabara – AGF Aarhus - KEEP
      Sheyi Ojo – Cardiff - SELL
      Adam Lewis – Plymouth - SELL
      Taiwo Awoniyi – Union Berlin - SELL
      Anderson Arroyo – Salamanca - SELL
      Sepp van den Berg – Preston North End - KEEP
      Vitezslav Jaros – St Patrick’s Athletic - SELL

      That's about 20 outgoings including our loan players. Lots or work to be done this Summer. If we don't freshen up the squad with next gen signings we will go backwards very fast.

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