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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #175: Apr 16, 2021 03:24:41 pm
      With Wijnaldum on the way out, Henderson continuing to suffer injuries, Milner another year older and Thiago looking like someone on his final paycheck then I'd say from a glut of riches a couple of years back we've now got some big problems to solve in the middle of the park.

      Agreed.

      I've been thinking for a while; whereas the spine of the squad has done us well over the last 3-4 years; the sun appears to be setting on the Klopp era.

      Curtis Jones, Trent Alexander-Arnold are the two players who I think will boss our midfield in the years to come - I'm happy with that. Gerrard will be, too.

      Whether the scouts have an expansive list of players they've got their eye on, your guess is as good as mine!
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #176: Apr 16, 2021 03:38:18 pm
      Priority areas have to be a couple of centre halves and a striker with a central midfielder not too far behind.

      Right back and back up keeper (Kelleher out on loan) would be the other areas that need looking at.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #177: Apr 16, 2021 05:52:12 pm
      Priority areas have to be a couple of centre halves and a striker with a central midfielder not too far behind.

      Right back and back up keeper (Kelleher out on loan) would be the other areas that need looking at.

      IMO, if we sign Kabak permanently, Nat is Matip replacement if Joel leave. We expect VvD and Joe comeback at their level so for me no need for a new CB.
      Jones is Gini replacement, so in midfield if we cannot get someone exceptional like KDB or Bruno Fernandes (just for example) then no need to waste money on backup player who never play a game.
      I think we still miss one miracle maker, player like Gerrard at heart of midfield, defienitely miss one.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #178: Apr 16, 2021 05:55:07 pm

      I think we still miss one miracle maker, player like Gerrard at heart of midfield, defienitely miss one.

      It's the ability Gerrard had for grabbing a game by the scruff of the neck and literally dragging the team with him. We definitely have no one like that currently in our midfield.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #179: Apr 16, 2021 06:08:14 pm
      It's the ability Gerrard had for grabbing a game by the scruff of the neck and literally dragging the team with him. We definitely have no one like that currently in our midfield.

      Rocking horse poo comes to mind.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #180: Apr 16, 2021 06:40:25 pm
      Agreed.

      I've been thinking for a while; whereas the spine of the squad has done us well over the last 3-4 years; the sun appears to be setting on the Klopp era.

      Curtis Jones, Trent Alexander-Arnold are the two players who I think will boss our midfield in the years to come - I'm happy with that. Gerrard will be, too.

      Whether the scouts have an expansive list of players they've got their eye on, your guess is as good as mine!
      sun setting on the Klopp era?  Probably setting on Liverpool then.  We do not have the resources to compete at the highest level.  It has taken the genius of Klopp to get us to levels previously undreamed of.  Wonderful manager and person.  Gerrard is a shadow in comparison.  Let Klopp build again if necessary.  But writing him off after a 1-season dip - and a soulless, injury-riddled season at that - is short-sighted. 
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #181: Apr 16, 2021 06:52:20 pm
      Lets break it down by area

      Goalkeeper:

       First choice is ok. Adrian likely to leave and in my opinion Kelleher should go on loan for more experience.

      Backup keepee required

      Defence:

      Should have Gomez and VVD back next seasin. Kabak looks decent. We need a centre half on the level of Joe to come in fior me. Move Joel on, his injury record is a joke

      I see most ex pros backing what I said a long long time ago Trent is too good a player for full back , and not a good enough defender. Move him to mid and sign a right full

      Required, right full and centre half plus Kabak on a permanent

      Midfield: 2 needed for me A replacement for Gini and Keita. Ideally one of the 2 is a creative type. Gravenberch and Rodrigo de Paul would be nice. Not sure if Id keep Ox or Milner at this point. But moving Trent here would mean only 1 needed

      Required, 2 attack minded midfielders or move Trent

      Forwards:

      No doubt this will cause the most debate We have 4 exceptional forwards, but if we insist on criossing as we do we need to add someone that suits. I think we are crazy to think well payout for Haalznd or Mbappe but we neef omeone who can do tap ins or score from half chances

      Required, 1 possibily 2 forwards who allow us change tactis in a game or impact of the bench

      So thats 7 for me that need to come in with roughly the same going out

      Adrian, Matip, Origi, minamino, Keita Gini, Ox with Kelleher and Neco going on loan and a ? over Millie



      Each to their own mate,  here's mine,


      GK, Adrian sold, Kelleher promoted, Grabara loaned, maybe new face

      Ok @ LB, but Tsimikas needs game time,
      New quality RB to cover Trent,  Neco sold, not of a standard we need

      CB's   Matip sold, Too many injuries,  Konate brought in, Virgil & Joe mains, with back up/competition from Konate, Nat & Kabak,  Williams loaned out,

      Mids       Outs- Ox, Shaq,  Grujic,  Mina,
                       Ins-   Gravenberch,  Odegaard, Raphiha, Bousouma


      Fwd,    Origi out, wouldn't mind Sancho  or Jimenez come in

      Milner retained, can't buy his experience nor his leadership, Naby in last chance saloon, there is a player in there somewhere,  Henderson not under debate.

      First phase of the rebuild, unlikely to get them all 😁, but we can live in hope!


                                       YNWA

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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #182: Apr 16, 2021 09:18:58 pm
      For me...

      GK: Alison
      GK: ???

      RB: TAA
      RB: Williams

      LB: Robertson
      LB: Tsimakas

      CB: VVD
      CB: Davies
      CB: Gomez
      CB: ???

      CM: Henderson
      CM: Fabinho
      CM: Thiago
      CM: Jones
      CM: ???
      CM: ???

      ST: Salah
      ST: Jota
      ST: Mane
      ST: Elliott
      ST: Minamino
      ST: ???

      I would definitely get rid of Adrian, karius, matip, Phillips, keita, ox, Shaqiri, harry wilson, grujic, origi and firmino. Gini will probably leave anyway and Milner will may be tempted but I would keep him in the squad.
      I’m guessing we would get 80-100m for those players mentioned.

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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #183: Apr 16, 2021 09:31:26 pm
      Harvey Elliott with another goal tonight, needs to be back next season
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #184: Apr 16, 2021 11:12:30 pm
      sun setting on the Klopp era?  Probably setting on Liverpool then.  We do not have the resources to compete at the highest level.  It has taken the genius of Klopp to get us to levels previously undreamed of.  Wonderful manager and person.  Gerrard is a shadow in comparison.  Let Klopp build again if necessary.  But writing him off after a 1-season dip - and a soulless, injury-riddled season at that - is short-sighted. 


      So you don't agree with my comments on Trent and Curtis in midfield? Fine.

      It's an open forum. We're talking about the future. Let's not forget about going from 1st in December to 6th.

      Klopp will pull it back, though. It's Klopp. Whoever comes and goes from the club in-between the next few transfer windows is open for discussion.

      Food for thought.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #185: Apr 17, 2021 12:59:10 pm
      So you don't agree with my comments on Trent and Curtis in midfield? Fine.

      It's an open forum. We're talking about the future. Let's not forget about going from 1st in December to 6th.

      Klopp will pull it back, though. It's Klopp. Whoever comes and goes from the club in-between the next few transfer windows is open for discussion.

      Food for thought.

      I'm struggling to make sense of that post.  I said nothing about Trent or Curtis.  And you say the sun is setting on the Klopp era but then - "Klopp will put it right".  My point is simply that Klopp is a once-in-a-generation manager - who has been a perfect fit for us.  We do not have the resources of our competitors, but he has has still made us European and English champions.  While Klopp is there I believe we can once again rise to the top. 
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #186: Apr 17, 2021 06:10:35 pm
      I'm struggling to make sense of that post.  I said nothing about Trent or Curtis.  And you say the sun is setting on the Klopp era but then - "Klopp will put it right".  My point is simply that Klopp is a once-in-a-generation manager - who has been a perfect fit for us.  We do not have the resources of our competitors, but he has has still made us European and English champions.  While Klopp is there I believe we can once again rise to the top. 

      You've simply cherry-picked my post which has nothing to do with the squad overhaul. Klopp is here until 2024, so three more seasons. How's that for a sun-set?

      I'm looking further forward in to the future. I'm open for a debate on that if you've got a smart response?
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #187: Apr 17, 2021 10:05:28 pm
      You've simply cherry-picked my post which has nothing to do with the squad overhaul. Klopp is here until 2024, so three more seasons. How's that for a sun-set?

      I'm looking further forward in to the future. I'm open for a debate on that if you've got a smart response?

      So why did you say the sun is setting on the Klopp era? He's just pointing out you're contradicting yourself - you're the one needs a "smart response".
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #188: Apr 18, 2021 09:23:29 am
      One things for sure, all sides that have been consistently successful, have always had a regular turnover of top players. At least every other season. Think it’s time we had some new blood in.
      If we leave it until we’ve slipped down the league, it becomes a rebuild with difficulty in getting top players to sign. We need to do it now while we are still looked upon as being a force.
      No time for sentiment, if players can’t perform to the level we expect, get them replaced with someone who can !
      They don’t have to be 20-21yrs old and building for the future. It doesn’t matter if they’re 28/29, we need them for the now while we’re still an attractive draw !
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      Reply #189: Apr 18, 2021 04:40:09 pm
      I agree what we need some new talent to add to the Squad but it's so hard to assess what we truly need due to the massive amount of injuries we have suffered this Season. Had VVD, Gomez and Henderson played full Seasons we would be fighting for the League. Our injury crisis has just exacerbated the discussion. Stronger squad, no discussion really.

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