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      rossyred
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #75: Feb 20, 2021 08:33:48 pm
      Still as I said a CF , CM and CB possibly a RB also
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #76: Feb 20, 2021 08:53:34 pm
      Still as I said a CF , CM and CB possibly a RB also
      I’d argue a decent older back up goalie too so Kelleher can go out on loan, lads got potential if he played more often.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #77: Feb 20, 2021 09:06:23 pm
      Still as I said a CF , CM and CB possibly a RB also

      Wouldn't mind a look at that Lamptey from Brighton. Achievable target as well with no Champions League.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #78: Feb 20, 2021 09:22:58 pm
      I’d argue a decent older back up goalie too so Kelleher can go out on loan, lads got potential if he played more often.

      Possibly yes will need some game time
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #79: Feb 20, 2021 09:24:06 pm
      Wouldn't mind a look at that Lamptey from Brighton. Achievable target as well with no Champions League.

      Good player what I have seen not sure they would shell out for him though when there are other glaring needs probably priority
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #80: Feb 21, 2021 09:21:57 pm
      We just have to overhaul.

      No time to be sentimental!
      « Last Edit: Feb 21, 2021 09:29:05 pm by AussieRed »
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #81: Feb 21, 2021 09:33:26 pm
      Every team needs to refresh periodically. Our time was after the season we won the league.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #82: Feb 22, 2021 06:23:47 am
      I think we missed the glorious chance to add on to the already good squad. Now rebuilding will be even difficult without CL next season. Also with Klopp leaving at 2024, young players would think twice before joining .
      Fingers crossed to finish top 4 this season.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #83: Feb 22, 2021 07:36:31 am
      Right now, Id be happy with a fully fit existing squad.

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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #84: Feb 22, 2021 08:33:19 pm
      I think we missed the glorious chance to add on to the already good squad. Now rebuilding will be even difficult without CL next season. Also with Klopp leaving at 2024, young players would think twice before joining .
      Fingers crossed to finish top 4 this season.

      Or win the c**t!!
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      Reply #85: Feb 23, 2021 01:54:53 pm
      A refresh i think is appropriate with a couple players out and a couple brought in. Just to change the dynamic a little.

      Neco is not trusted right now so he needs to go on loan and bring in an older RB who can give Trent a breather.

      With Gini likely leaving, and possibly Milner, will need a new midfielder, maybe 2. I am intrigued if Grujic can be one of them, but haven't seen much of him at Porto. Maybe Klopp wants to cycle out one of Shaqiri / Ox and bring in a new face as well, but i don't see that as a "must do".

      Up front Origi should go and bring in another Jota-type player. That'd make us 5-deep up front all with quality and allow us to rotate more.

      That's all we really need at this time, but the retooling will take a few years to slowly cycle out the older players and bring their long-term replacements in.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #86: Feb 23, 2021 02:33:09 pm
      Jesus, where to start in this.


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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #87: Feb 23, 2021 02:36:08 pm

      Stick the kettle on get a nice pack of biscuits, take a deep breath, and go for it
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #88: Feb 23, 2021 03:18:47 pm
      Probably more an overhaul of "squad players" as opposed to an overhaul of the squad. I'd still argue that when everybody is fit, we probably have the best first 11 in the world and I wouldn't consider parting with any of them really unless a crazy offer were to come in. Obviously it looks like Gini will be off regardless but that is out of our control.

      There's a few squad players who a lot of people are in agreement about that their time is probably up - Origi, Shaqiri & Oxlade Chamberlain. All have produced moments of brilliance in big games during their time here, and won't be considered bad signings by any means, but for a concoction of reasons (injuries, lack of opportunities and maybe a lack of motivation after recent success) it seems as though it might be best for both parties that they move on this summer. All three are under the age of 30 too, so financially speaking now would probably be the best time to sell as opposed to persevering for another few years.

      We'll probably see the likes of Harry Wilson & Marko Grujic leave for good in the summer too - I'd hazard a guess that the club planned on selling them last summer, but due to Covid and the financial restraints on certain clubs, there was a lack of potential buyers. Milner's contract is up at the end of the season and it looks likely that he'll be leaving too. We obviously won't be receiving a fee for him but I believe he earns around 150k a week, which would make him one of our top earners - so a good chunk off the wage budget to reinvest.

      That's the departures, in terms of arrivals I think it'll just be a case of signing some hungry, ambitious, up & coming players who can challenge and / or break into the first team and allow us to challenge on all fronts next season. Jota is the perfect example of that type of player, but unfortunately he's been unavailable for a large part of the season. If we're able to sign a few players in the same ilk as him to bring into various areas of the squad (and of course they're able to stay fit), then it'll be game on next season.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #89: Feb 23, 2021 03:47:42 pm
      This list is probably who will 100% leave. Only 2 are 1st team players, and only 1 is a regular starter. But even this list gives scope to get the squad freshened up.

      1) Gini
      2) Divok
      3) wilson
      4) Grujic
      5) Woodburn

      Id say we defo need better cover at RB, if Kabak & Davies work out, we have CB covered. We could then spend big on Gini & Divok's replacements.

      Id expect Taki & Elliott to come back from loans they take woodburn & Wilsons spots.

      On the fringes Id say OX & Naby have 1 more season, but can they stay fit? are they happy being subs especially ox, as hes hardly started much lately.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #90: Feb 23, 2021 04:13:59 pm
      Bin --  Origi, Shaq, Keita, Chambo, and Matip

      Sign -- a goal scoring #9, a creative #10, a CM to replace Gini if he leaves, and a CB to replace Matip. 
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #91: Feb 23, 2021 05:41:26 pm
      Bin --  Origi, Shaq, Keita, Chambo, and Matip

      Sign -- a goal scoring #9, a creative #10, a CM to replace Gini if he leaves, and a CB to replace Matip. 

      Agreed on all.

      Should fetch us around £100 mill towards new signings.

      Just need Edwards to work his magic again in the Summer window.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #92: Feb 23, 2021 06:32:58 pm
      Out ; Matip, Ox, Shaqiri,Origi, Grujic, Wilson, Woodburn



      In; Konate, Gravenberch, Bassouma, Sancho, Grealish, Haaland

      Probably got more chance of Everton winning something than buying this lot but try we must,...

      Ibrahima Konate, we desperately  need solid reliable CB to challenge Gomez, Kabak, Davies to be Virgil’s partner next season and beyond.

      Ryan Gravenberch, young hungry midfield player destined for the stars, get him before his value rockets,

      Yves Bissouma,  impressed with this fella , strong, quick , solid defender, good back up for Fabinho

      Jadon Sancho, predominantly plays right but can play up top, class player, young hungry suitable for resting / rotation with Salah

      Jack Grealish,  loves Villa, but the lure of CL and EPL titles should persuade him to wear the Liverbird, another class player who can be developed to world class with the right club, we are that club and manager,  probably cost more than a few million north of 60-70 but at 25 we can have him a good 6/7 years

      Erling Haaland, I prefer this fella to Mbappe, he has absolutely everything you need from a out and out striker, power, pace, height , and a brain, at 20 we’re looking at the next ten to twelve years, so a very good asset to have on your books, yes he will cost a sh*t load but, when you factor in his age and the quality he has its f***in peanuts what he can earn for us in those ten years.


      Imagine that lot all arriving this summer, I’d probably have a hard on for a month, being realistic though well be  lucky to get anyone, but we can all dream can’t we ?





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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #93: Feb 23, 2021 06:42:34 pm
      I think its more a case of shifting out high earning dead wood and sorry but that also includes Milner who is on hell of a high wage to be a bit part player.

      Ox, Origi, Shaq, Milner and Matip need to be moved on and we need one more attacker, preferably a strong physical player with some height. We need a top notch creative midfielder and a Good CB. Ideally we'd get one more midfielder, but perhaps we have some youngsters ready to come through or we can go for a player with potential, get the scouts to earn their money.

      That should all be achievable without breaking the bank.
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      Reply #94: Feb 23, 2021 08:07:11 pm
      Agreed on all.

      Should fetch us around £100 mill towards new signings.

      Just need Edwards to work his magic again in the Summer window.

      100m? Really? For a CB that is injury prone as much as Matip, or Keita who is always injured too? Origi who will fetch, what 15m tops? I think you’ve over estimated those numbers I’m afraid...

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      Reply #95: Feb 23, 2021 08:18:51 pm
      Agreed on all.

      Should fetch us around £100 mill towards new signings.

      Just need Edwards to work his magic again in the Summer window.

      Not getting anywhere near £100m for four injury prone players and Divock Origi.

      Matip and Keita will probably hang around as I can't see there being many takers for them. Ox could survive as well if we're struggling on the homegrown front.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #96: Feb 23, 2021 08:24:09 pm
      Not getting anywhere near £100m for four injury prone players and Divock Origi.

      Matip and Keita will probably hang around as I can't see there being many takers for them. Ox could survive as well if we're struggling on the homegrown front.

      I reckon if we wanted to offload him we would get at most 5 million for Matip, though with Edwards who knows.

      Keita we would sell handy enough though for a huge loss id imagine.

      Both are players that Id only move on due to the injury records. If they remain, and stay fit, they are still valuable to have around
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #97: Feb 23, 2021 08:33:40 pm
      I reckon if we wanted to offload him we would get at most 5 million for Matip, though with Edwards who knows.

      Keita we would sell handy enough though for a huge loss id imagine.

      Both are players that Id only move on due to the injury records. If they remain, and stay fit, they are still valuable to have around

      Big ifs with their records with us. Naby and Joel are both excellent in their positions, but hardly what you could call reliable...

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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #98: Feb 23, 2021 10:17:40 pm
      I reckon if we wanted to offload him we would get at most 5 million for Matip, though with Edwards who knows.

      Keita we would sell handy enough though for a huge loss id imagine.

      Both are players that Id only move on due to the injury records. If they remain, and stay fit, they are still valuable to have around

      I think you are underestimating Matip's value. The guy is still not old for a CB and is very good at his position. Obviously his injuries are no secret, but that does not take away from his quality and value if we wanted to sell him.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #99: Feb 23, 2021 10:20:29 pm
      I think you are underestimating Matip's value. The guy is still not old for a CB and is very good at his position. Obviously his injuries are no secret, but that does not take away from his quality and value if we wanted to sell him.

      Who is going to pay bigger money for a man who cant play 3 games in a row?

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