Squad overhaul

I think you are underestimating Matip's value. The guy is still not old for a CB and is very good at his position. Obviously his injuries are no secret, but that does not take away from his quality and value if we wanted to sell him.

As good as Matip is (and he is very good), Who’s going to pay a shed load for a player that misses a good chunk of every season, which we got on a free in the first place? What do YOU think he’s worth?

Who is going to pay bigger money for a man who cant play 3 games in a row?

His first 3 years here he played over 20 games in each of them.  Not exactly iron-man durability, but not horrible either. I get the last 2 seasons he's played very little, but Lovren was pretty injury prone as well and we got ~10M for him and he's not as good as Joel.

His first 3 years here he played over 20 games in each of them.  Not exactly iron-man durability, but not horrible either. I get the last 2 seasons he's played very little, but Lovren was pretty injury prone as well and we got ~10M for him and he's not as good as Joel.

I think if you can get 20 league games and the CL games out of Joel, he’s a keeper. Dunno if that’s possible though...

So depressing talking about all this, please Juergen turn it around 🙏🙏🙏

So depressing talking about all this, please Juergen turn it around 🙏🙏🙏

If he has a fully fit squad available to him (with a couple of additions), then turning it around isn’t an issue. A freak season that in some ways could have been PARTIALLY avoided, but even then would’ve have been a top 4 battle, instead of an all assault in PL retention.

The thing here is people associate an overhaul as being 20 out and 20 in.

For me its simply adding a few maybe 5 or 6, clearing out those not in the frame .

Id do it either way, had this been another succesful year or gone the way it has

As good as Matip is (and he is very good), Who’s going to pay a shed load for a player that misses a good chunk of every season, which we got on a free in the first place? What do YOU think he’s worth?

for a free hes been fantastic (when fit)

for a free hes been fantastic (when fit)

If we get Virg and Joe back fit fir the start of next season and add 1 more id gladly keep Joel as my 4th choice.

As good as Matip is (and he is very good), Who’s going to pay a shed load for a player that misses a good chunk of every season, which we got on a free in the first place? What do YOU think he’s worth?

Southampton? Shame Bournemouth aren't around any more.

An example of my overhaul, based on players we are linked with, and one I just think we should go for..

Out;
Karius
Adrian
Matip
Philips
Gini
Milner
Shaq
Ox
Minamino
Origi
Woodburn
Gruij
Ojo
Wilson
Awoninyi
Kabak end of loan

Loan:
Kelleher
Williams R

In:
Elliott return from loan
Gravenberch
Bremer
Caleste-Car though id go for Schurrs
Dyabala
Raphinia
Begovic

First 11

Becker Trent Virg Joe Robbo Hendo Fab thiago Mo Bobby Sadio

2nd 11

Begovic Neco Bremer Car/Schurrs Tsmikas. Jones Keita Gravenberch. Raphina Dyabala Jota. Elliott in the mix to

Thats not necessarily the order Id have it though

As good as Matip is (and he is very good), Who’s going to pay a shed load for a player that misses a good chunk of every season, which we got on a free in the first place? What do YOU think he’s worth?

The fact we got him on a free won't make a difference to the price tag but obviously his injury troubles will.

If he'd stayed relatively fit these last couple of seasons we wouldn't even be discussing how much we'd be able to recoup for him, but I think his market value would be around 50M.

As things are I'd say he's around the 15M mark. May seem a bit pricey given his injury troubles but I think there would still be a few clubs willing to take that gamble. His injury history is a risk but if he's able to stay fit you've gotten yourself 29 y/o world class centre half for a bargain price

Have we been taken over?

If we get Virg and Joe back fit fir the start of next season and add 1 more id gladly keep Joel as my 4th choice.

As a defensive pairing, I’d actually say that VVD and Joel would be my first choice if it wasn’t for fitness issues. Joe Gomez is a very good CB and only going to get better, but right now Joel just shades it for me.

As a defensive pairing, I’d actually say that VVD and Joel would be my first choice if it wasn’t for fitness issues. Joe Gomez is a very good CB and only going to get better, but right now Joel just shades it for me.

For me too, Joel fully fit and in good form shades Joe, comfortable bringing ball out, good in the air, nicks goals.
Only problem is he's made of wet paper.

For me too, Joel fully fit and in good form shades Joe, comfortable bringing ball out, good in the air, nicks goals.
Only problem is he's made of wet paper.

I very much doubt he’s that strong 😎