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      MarkMitt
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #100: Feb 23, 2021 10:22:03 pm
      I think you are underestimating Matip's value. The guy is still not old for a CB and is very good at his position. Obviously his injuries are no secret, but that does not take away from his quality and value if we wanted to sell him.

      As good as Matip is (and he is very good), Who’s going to pay a shed load for a player that misses a good chunk of every season, which we got on a free in the first place? What do YOU think he’s worth?
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #101: Feb 23, 2021 10:31:53 pm
      Who is going to pay bigger money for a man who cant play 3 games in a row?

      His first 3 years here he played over 20 games in each of them.  Not exactly iron-man durability, but not horrible either. I get the last 2 seasons he's played very little, but Lovren was pretty injury prone as well and we got ~10M for him and he's not as good as Joel.
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      Reply #102: Feb 23, 2021 10:35:30 pm
      His first 3 years here he played over 20 games in each of them.  Not exactly iron-man durability, but not horrible either. I get the last 2 seasons he's played very little, but Lovren was pretty injury prone as well and we got ~10M for him and he's not as good as Joel.

      I think if you can get 20 league games and the CL games out of Joel, he’s a keeper. Dunno if that’s possible though...

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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #103: Feb 23, 2021 10:38:08 pm
      So depressing talking about all this, please Juergen turn it around 🙏🙏🙏
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      Reply #104: Feb 23, 2021 10:49:51 pm
      So depressing talking about all this, please Juergen turn it around 🙏🙏🙏

      If he has a fully fit squad available to him (with a couple of additions), then turning it around isn’t an issue. A freak season that in some ways could have been PARTIALLY avoided, but even then would’ve have been a top 4 battle, instead of an all assault in PL retention.

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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #105: Feb 24, 2021 11:06:36 am
      The thing here is people associate an overhaul as being 20 out and 20 in.

      For me its simply adding a few maybe 5 or 6, clearing out those not in the frame .

      Id do it either way, had this been another succesful year or gone the way it has
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #106: Feb 24, 2021 11:27:02 am
      As good as Matip is (and he is very good), Who’s going to pay a shed load for a player that misses a good chunk of every season, which we got on a free in the first place? What do YOU think he’s worth?


      for a free hes been fantastic (when fit)
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      Reply #107: Feb 24, 2021 11:29:13 am
      for a free hes been fantastic (when fit)

      If we get Virg and Joe back fit fir the start of next season and add 1 more id gladly keep Joel as my 4th choice.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #108: Feb 24, 2021 03:48:25 pm
      As good as Matip is (and he is very good), Who’s going to pay a shed load for a player that misses a good chunk of every season, which we got on a free in the first place? What do YOU think he’s worth?


      Southampton? Shame Bournemouth aren't around any more.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #109: Feb 24, 2021 05:08:16 pm
      An example of my overhaul, based on players we are linked with, and one I just think we should go for..

      Out;
      Karius
      Adrian
      Matip
      Philips
      Gini
      Milner
      Shaq
      Ox
      Minamino
      Origi
      Woodburn
      Gruij
      Ojo
      Wilson
      Awoninyi
      Kabak end of loan

      Loan:
      Kelleher
      Williams R

      In:
      Elliott return from loan
      Gravenberch
      Bremer
      Caleste-Car though id go for Schurrs
      Dyabala
      Raphinia
      Begovic

      First 11

      Becker Trent Virg Joe Robbo Hendo Fab thiago Mo Bobby Sadio

      2nd 11

      Begovic Neco Bremer Car/Schurrs Tsmikas. Jones Keita Gravenberch. Raphina Dyabala Jota. Elliott in the mix to

      Thats not necessarily the order Id have it though
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #110: Feb 24, 2021 05:11:32 pm
      As good as Matip is (and he is very good), Who’s going to pay a shed load for a player that misses a good chunk of every season, which we got on a free in the first place? What do YOU think he’s worth?

      The fact we got him on a free won't make a difference to the price tag but obviously his injury troubles will.

      If he'd stayed relatively fit these last couple of seasons we wouldn't even be discussing how much we'd be able to recoup for him, but I think his market value would be around 50M.

      As things are I'd say he's around the 15M mark. May seem a bit pricey given his injury troubles but I think there would still be a few clubs willing to take that gamble. His injury history is a risk but if he's able to stay fit you've gotten yourself 29 y/o world class centre half for a bargain price
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #111: Feb 24, 2021 05:16:13 pm
      Have we been taken over?
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #112: Feb 24, 2021 06:12:20 pm
      If we get Virg and Joe back fit fir the start of next season and add 1 more id gladly keep Joel as my 4th choice.

      As a defensive pairing, I’d actually say that VVD and Joel would be my first choice if it wasn’t for fitness issues. Joe Gomez is a very good CB and only going to get better, but right now Joel just shades it for me.

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      Reply #113: Feb 24, 2021 06:20:19 pm
      As a defensive pairing, I’d actually say that VVD and Joel would be my first choice if it wasn’t for fitness issues. Joe Gomez is a very good CB and only going to get better, but right now Joel just shades it for me.


      For me too, Joel fully fit and in good form shades Joe, comfortable bringing ball out, good in the air, nicks goals.
      Only problem is he's made of wet paper.
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      Re: Squad overhaul
      Reply #114: Feb 24, 2021 07:53:03 pm
      For me too, Joel fully fit and in good form shades Joe, comfortable bringing ball out, good in the air, nicks goals.
      Only problem is he's made of wet paper.

      I very much doubt he’s that strong 😎

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