Liverpool 0-2 Everton: In game and Post Match discussion

Plastic??

Yes plastic - as in false , fake , someone who isn’t really a fan of the club but likes the idea of being a fan of the club. Someone who had F**k all connection to the club and decided one day to support and then base that support on how other fans act.


You were the same when Rafa was manager and then the same with Kenny - you act like the typical modern internet fan , you will turn on the players and manager the minute things don’t go well

It’s easy to support the team when they are playing well - a real support sticks behind the team when things aren’t going well

Yes plastic - as in false , fake , someone who isn’t really a fan of the club but likes the idea of being a fan of the club. Someone who had F**k all connection to the club and decided one day to support and then base that support on how other fans act.


You were the same when Rafa was manager and then the same with Kenny - you act like the typical modern internet fan , you will turn on the players and manager the minute things don’t go well

It’s easy to support the team when they are playing well - a real support sticks behind the team when things aren’t going well

We disagree on some points but can only concur with your comment above, as for the eejit you reply to he has been on blank since 2009, one of only two on blank and well deserved.

I expect a top manager to find a solution, not play a high line with makeshift CB's, drop underperforming players, try different players/formations, not run players into the ground.

We can't keep pointing at our injuries to explain all our woes.

He's hasn't got a lot of choice with the system he plays, he wants to retain his 433 that's what the whole squad is programmed to do,
It could be argued that a system change would be the way to go, but he doesn't have the quality at his disposal to change the whole philosophy,  he clearly doesn't trust those players who are CB's and in his eyes are not of the quality expected,  hence Fab & Hendo,
Admittedly I don't see why, but he sees more than you and I do ,

I think you have a fair point in that players should have the ability to adjust to a different system to what they are attuned to,  but again,  that's difficult to do with the amount of injuries that would still affect those changes?

So I guess the question is do you stick with what you know or just go blaise and try anything Willy nilly and hope for the best ?

You f***in stupid c**t,  I'm not justifying anything just saying it how it is,
You expect us to play at the level we reached last season without the solidity at the back,without  the protection, control & supremacy in midfield,  without the fluidity,  momentum & confidence & scoring ability of the front three & without the fans who without doubt can lift the players and give a extra confidence boost with their singing & support,

Wake up , smell the coffee and stop fingering your f***in ring whinging and f***in moaning,  you sound like those other negative Neanderthal F**k wits who only sing when we're winning,

F**k Off Heimy,  your better than that !!!

He isn’t!!

This was our darkest moment in LFC history, it has been a disastrous season by all counts which was mainly contributed by a wired manager who has lost the plot at serious times of asking, and it has shown his fragile true metal.

Everton had a proper game plan, whereas our beloved wired manager had none, almost every football critics have said before the game that Everton will beat us, how do you expect the LFC manager to pick under-preformed players the likes of Firmino and Salah who went missing in all big games of this season, it was only Mane who is out of form, but he gave it all and did him utmost best to score, whereas, the other useless two, are being selected not on merit but on past fluke history, therefore, how do you expect such team to win matches, the club is in such disarray state the whole season, due to ill planning and wired management style by a nutcase manager, just look at his profile as a manager, you would find he has been in such bad period like this before! therefore, it is not surprising to be repeated at LFC again.

The early warning signs were evident from last season after being crowned champion there were many bad defeats at Arsenal, Watford, and M. City, Therefore, any sensible manager would have addressed these warnings before the new season has started, but the dream-on manager has thought otherwise.

I totally dismiss the excuses of the bad injuries list that we have encountered this season, but any good manager would have dealt with it sensibly, not our wired manager, the scum had bad injuries last season, we couldn't beat them away, but their young manager dealt with it very well, and ended up fourth, they were never beaten six games in a row!!..  Klopp let good backup players go on loan, Minamino never got a chance ahead of the useless twins Firmino and Salah, but to hold on to the disgraceful Origi who can't command a first-team place in any third division team! it is totally beyond any common sense!!  How any faithful LFC fans can accept such awful shambles, and expect us to finish in the top fourth place, there is no chance in hell to do that, this failed and worse champion in the history of the league will not achieve that, and not even a Europa place it is possible, I will not be surprised if Klopp's team lose all remaining games of the season.

The situation is very bleak, and Klopp will select the same team for the next match! Kabak is not a sound defender at a price of £18M if the bought option is materialized,  Ben Davies to partner Phillips is a better option, Davies has played in the English leagues, while Kabak didn't, and he is young and naive.

Klopp dream on until you get the sack, however, any good and caring club's owner would have sacked that weirdo a long time ago.

GOD HELP US AND SAFE OUR LFC NO MORE DISGRACE AND HUMILIATION

He's hasn't got a lot of choice with the system he plays, he wants to retain his 433 that's what the whole squad is programmed to do,
It could be argued that a system change would be the way to go, but he doesn't have the quality at his disposal to change the whole philosophy,  he clearly doesn't trust those players who are CB's and in his eyes are not of the quality expected,  hence Fab & Hendo,
Admittedly I don't see why, but he sees more than you and I do ,

I think you have a fair point in that players should have the ability to adjust to a different system to what they are attuned to,  but again,  that's difficult to do with the amount of injuries that would still affect those changes?

So I guess the question is do you stick with what you know or just go blaise and try anything Willy nilly and hope for the best ?

The boss having limited options, forced to use players out of position, juggle an horrific injury list - can any blame be apportioned Billy?
 
Sure as F**k Jürgen is exempt.

This was our darkest moment in LFC history

Can we ban this dickhead? Trolls taking the piss out of results is one thing, but he knows exactly what sort of reaction he's trying to provoke with that shout

Okay calm after the storm ,agree not good times the now ,why is that ?plenty of reasons [not excuses]detailed on here,but as they say the bigger they are the harder you fall ,this fantastic club has know nothing but success since Wullie Shankly lit the fuse paper back in the 60s ,as supporters you become used to winning and the success it brings ,all the trophies,celebrating in Europe, other teams can only look on with envy at what we have achieved that is why its harder to accept when we have a bad run its not like us ,so let the bitters have their on field celebrations they waited long enough,lots of stats being branded about yesterday on sky.[last time we lost 4 home games at home in a row was back in the 20s ,last time Everton won at Anfield, etc what about our succesfull stats take the positives and move on ,we will return YNWA [BTW it is Wullie not Bill it was the English media that refered to him as Bill ,watched a fantastic documentry on prime about Shankly ,his surviving niece pointed out he was know as Wullie  not Bill a must watch to all Liverpool fans

This was our darkest moment in LFC history, it has been a disastrous season by all counts which was mainly contributed by a wired manager who has lost the plot at serious times of asking, and it has shown his fragile true metal.

Everton had a proper game plan, whereas our beloved wired manager had none, almost every football critics have said before the game that Everton will beat us, how do you expect the LFC manager to pick under-preformed players the likes of Firmino and Salah who went missing in all big games of this season, it was only Mane who is out of form, but he gave it all and did him utmost best to score, whereas, the other useless two, are being selected not on merit but on past fluke history, therefore, how do you expect such team to win matches, the club is in such disarray state the whole season, due to ill planning and wired management style by a nutcase manager, just look at his profile as a manager, you would find he has been in such bad period like this before! therefore, it is not surprising to be repeated at LFC again.

The early warning signs were evident from last season after being crowned champion there were many bad defeats at Arsenal, Watford, and M. City, Therefore, any sensible manager would have addressed these warnings before the new season has started, but the dream-on manager has thought otherwise.

I totally dismiss the excuses of the bad injuries list that we have encountered this season, but any good manager would have dealt with it sensibly, not our wired manager, the scum had bad injuries last season, we couldn't beat them away, but their young manager dealt with it very well, and ended up fourth, they were never beaten six games in a row!!..  Klopp let good backup players go on loan, Minamino never got a chance ahead of the useless twins Firmino and Salah, but to hold on to the disgraceful Origi who can't command a first-team place in any third division team! it is totally beyond any common sense!!  How any faithful LFC fans can accept such awful shambles, and expect us to finish in the top fourth place, there is no chance in hell to do that, this failed and worse champion in the history of the league will not achieve that, and not even a Europa place it is possible, I will not be surprised if Klopp's team lose all remaining games of the season.

The situation is very bleak, and Klopp will select the same team for the next match! Kabak is not a sound defender at a price of £18M if the bought option is materialized,  Ben Davies to partner Phillips is a better option, Davies has played in the English leagues, while Kabak didn't, and he is young and naive.

Klopp dream on until you get the sack, however, any good and caring club's owner would have sacked that weirdo a long time ago.

GOD HELP US AND SAFE OUR LFC NO MORE DISGRACE AND HUMILIATION

Quite a lengthy sequence of sh*te.
Surely you could utilise your hands in a more efficient manner for self gratification.

Ban the F**k out of this wum.

This was our darkest moment in LFC history, it has been a disastrous season by all counts which was mainly contributed by a wired manager who has lost the plot at serious times of asking, and it has shown his fragile true metal.

Everton had a proper game plan, whereas our beloved wired manager had none, almost every football critics have said before the game that Everton will beat us, how do you expect the LFC manager to pick under-preformed players the likes of Firmino and Salah who went missing in all big games of this season, it was only Mane who is out of form, but he gave it all and did him utmost best to score, whereas, the other useless two, are being selected not on merit but on past fluke history, therefore, how do you expect such team to win matches, the club is in such disarray state the whole season, due to ill planning and wired management style by a nutcase manager, just look at his profile as a manager, you would find he has been in such bad period like this before! therefore, it is not surprising to be repeated at LFC again.

The early warning signs were evident from last season after being crowned champion there were many bad defeats at Arsenal, Watford, and M. City, Therefore, any sensible manager would have addressed these warnings before the new season has started, but the dream-on manager has thought otherwise.

I totally dismiss the excuses of the bad injuries list that we have encountered this season, but any good manager would have dealt with it sensibly, not our wired manager, the scum had bad injuries last season, we couldn't beat them away, but their young manager dealt with it very well, and ended up fourth, they were never beaten six games in a row!!..  Klopp let good backup players go on loan, Minamino never got a chance ahead of the useless twins Firmino and Salah, but to hold on to the disgraceful Origi who can't command a first-team place in any third division team! it is totally beyond any common sense!!  How any faithful LFC fans can accept such awful shambles, and expect us to finish in the top fourth place, there is no chance in hell to do that, this failed and worse champion in the history of the league will not achieve that, and not even a Europa place it is possible, I will not be surprised if Klopp's team lose all remaining games of the season.

The situation is very bleak, and Klopp will select the same team for the next match! Kabak is not a sound defender at a price of £18M if the bought option is materialized,  Ben Davies to partner Phillips is a better option, Davies has played in the English leagues, while Kabak didn't, and he is young and naive.

Klopp dream on until you get the sack, however, any good and caring club's owner would have sacked that weirdo a long time ago.

GOD HELP US AND SAFE OUR LFC NO MORE DISGRACE AND HUMILIATION

 


You f***in Tool, F**k off back to Trannychester,  it's almost f***in laughable your trolling......the very fact that you think losing to them cu*ts was the 'Darkest moment in our history ' speaks volumes of exactly what you are,

F**k of Muppet!!

Mods please ban this f***in idiot,  he's only here to do his worst,  the c**t !

The boss having limited options, forced to use players out of position, juggle an horrific injury list - can any blame be apportioned Billy?
 
Sure as f**k Jürgen is exempt.

Not entirely mate, but like I mentioned he knows more than you or I or anyone else on these boards,  maybe he feels that what he has got to work with isn't a viable option to alter the way we play,

We all agree that Hendo & Fabinho in midfield will make us more solid but he'll say we are weaker at the back,  stick or twist scenario?


                                YNWA

This was our darkest moment in LFC history, it has been a disastrous season by all counts which was mainly contributed by a wired manager who has lost the plot at serious times of asking, and it has shown his fragile true metal.

Everton had a proper game plan, whereas our beloved wired manager had none, almost every football critics have said before the game that Everton will beat us, how do you expect the LFC manager to pick under-preformed players the likes of Firmino and Salah who went missing in all big games of this season, it was only Mane who is out of form, but he gave it all and did him utmost best to score, whereas, the other useless two, are being selected not on merit but on past fluke history, therefore, how do you expect such team to win matches, the club is in such disarray state the whole season, due to ill planning and wired management style by a nutcase manager, just look at his profile as a manager, you would find he has been in such bad period like this before! therefore, it is not surprising to be repeated at LFC again.

The early warning signs were evident from last season after being crowned champion there were many bad defeats at Arsenal, Watford, and M. City, Therefore, any sensible manager would have addressed these warnings before the new season has started, but the dream-on manager has thought otherwise.

I totally dismiss the excuses of the bad injuries list that we have encountered this season, but any good manager would have dealt with it sensibly, not our wired manager, the scum had bad injuries last season, we couldn't beat them away, but their young manager dealt with it very well, and ended up fourth, they were never beaten six games in a row!!..  Klopp let good backup players go on loan, Minamino never got a chance ahead of the useless twins Firmino and Salah, but to hold on to the disgraceful Origi who can't command a first-team place in any third division team! it is totally beyond any common sense!!  How any faithful LFC fans can accept such awful shambles, and expect us to finish in the top fourth place, there is no chance in hell to do that, this failed and worse champion in the history of the league will not achieve that, and not even a Europa place it is possible, I will not be surprised if Klopp's team lose all remaining games of the season.

The situation is very bleak, and Klopp will select the same team for the next match! Kabak is not a sound defender at a price of £18M if the bought option is materialized,  Ben Davies to partner Phillips is a better option, Davies has played in the English leagues, while Kabak didn't, and he is young and naive.

Klopp dream on until you get the sack, however, any good and caring club's owner would have sacked that weirdo a long time ago.

GOD HELP US AND SAFE OUR LFC NO MORE DISGRACE AND HUMILIATION

If you think this is the darkest moment in our history then you need to look back and wake up

I expect a top manager to find a solution, not play a high line with makeshift CB's, drop underperforming players, try different players/formations, not run players into the ground.

We can't keep pointing at our injuries to explain all our woes.

You can blame it on injuries when your squad has been wiped out. I don’t recall ever seeing an injury list like it and I’m nearly 50. In a normal season with normal injury ratios you’d expect one or two squad members to fill a gap. We’ve had 18 different CB partnerships alone. Our midfield has been decimated and our strikers are working without the midfield link. However, I do agree that JK should indeed be using a system that takes this into consideration, instead of trying the usual method without the usual players.

This was our darkest moment in LFC history, it has been a disastrous season by all counts which was mainly contributed by a wired manager who has lost the plot at serious times of asking, and it has shown his fragile true metal.

Everton had a proper game plan, whereas our beloved wired manager had none, almost every football critics have said before the game that Everton will beat us, how do you expect the LFC manager to pick under-preformed players the likes of Firmino and Salah who went missing in all big games of this season, it was only Mane who is out of form, but he gave it all and did him utmost best to score, whereas, the other useless two, are being selected not on merit but on past fluke history, therefore, how do you expect such team to win matches, the club is in such disarray state the whole season, due to ill planning and wired management style by a nutcase manager, just look at his profile as a manager, you would find he has been in such bad period like this before! therefore, it is not surprising to be repeated at LFC again.

The early warning signs were evident from last season after being crowned champion there were many bad defeats at Arsenal, Watford, and M. City, Therefore, any sensible manager would have addressed these warnings before the new season has started, but the dream-on manager has thought otherwise.

I totally dismiss the excuses of the bad injuries list that we have encountered this season, but any good manager would have dealt with it sensibly, not our wired manager, the scum had bad injuries last season, we couldn't beat them away, but their young manager dealt with it very well, and ended up fourth, they were never beaten six games in a row!!..  Klopp let good backup players go on loan, Minamino never got a chance ahead of the useless twins Firmino and Salah, but to hold on to the disgraceful Origi who can't command a first-team place in any third division team! it is totally beyond any common sense!!  How any faithful LFC fans can accept such awful shambles, and expect us to finish in the top fourth place, there is no chance in hell to do that, this failed and worse champion in the history of the league will not achieve that, and not even a Europa place it is possible, I will not be surprised if Klopp's team lose all remaining games of the season.

The situation is very bleak, and Klopp will select the same team for the next match! Kabak is not a sound defender at a price of £18M if the bought option is materialized,  Ben Davies to partner Phillips is a better option, Davies has played in the English leagues, while Kabak didn't, and he is young and naive.

Klopp dream on until you get the sack, however, any good and caring club's owner would have sacked that weirdo a long time ago.

GOD HELP US AND SAFE OUR LFC NO MORE DISGRACE AND HUMILIATION

Think about what you’ve put.

Then go away.

Yes plastic - as in false , fake , someone who isn’t really a fan of the club but likes the idea of being a fan of the club. Someone who had f**k all connection to the club and decided one day to support and then base that support on how other fans act.


You were the same when Rafa was manager and then the same with Kenny - you act like the typical modern internet fan , you will turn on the players and manager the minute things don’t go well

It’s easy to support the team when they are playing well - a real support sticks behind the team when things aren’t going well

I've been a supporter since about 1995,if that makes me plastic then I guess most young fans are plastic!
I support the team not any individual player, manager or tea lady.
I will not pretend to be happy and have blind faith when it's obvious to everyone outside the club that we are currently sh*t.

We disagree on some points but can only concur with your comment above, as for the eejit you reply to he has been on blank since 2009, one of only two on blank and well deserved.

I've not been on blanks since 2009 you muppet, only since you regularly started losing arguments to me!

This was our darkest moment in LFC history, it has been a disastrous season by all counts which was mainly contributed by a wired manager who has lost the plot at serious times of asking, and it has shown his fragile true metal.

Everton had a proper game plan, whereas our beloved wired manager had none, almost every football critics have said before the game that Everton will beat us, how do you expect the LFC manager to pick under-preformed players the likes of Firmino and Salah who went missing in all big games of this season, it was only Mane who is out of form, but he gave it all and did him utmost best to score, whereas, the other useless two, are being selected not on merit but on past fluke history, therefore, how do you expect such team to win matches, the club is in such disarray state the whole season, due to ill planning and wired management style by a nutcase manager, just look at his profile as a manager, you would find he has been in such bad period like this before! therefore, it is not surprising to be repeated at LFC again.

The early warning signs were evident from last season after being crowned champion there were many bad defeats at Arsenal, Watford, and M. City, Therefore, any sensible manager would have addressed these warnings before the new season has started, but the dream-on manager has thought otherwise.

I totally dismiss the excuses of the bad injuries list that we have encountered this season, but any good manager would have dealt with it sensibly, not our wired manager, the scum had bad injuries last season, we couldn't beat them away, but their young manager dealt with it very well, and ended up fourth, they were never beaten six games in a row!!..  Klopp let good backup players go on loan, Minamino never got a chance ahead of the useless twins Firmino and Salah, but to hold on to the disgraceful Origi who can't command a first-team place in any third division team! it is totally beyond any common sense!!  How any faithful LFC fans can accept such awful shambles, and expect us to finish in the top fourth place, there is no chance in hell to do that, this failed and worse champion in the history of the league will not achieve that, and not even a Europa place it is possible, I will not be surprised if Klopp's team lose all remaining games of the season.

The situation is very bleak, and Klopp will select the same team for the next match! Kabak is not a sound defender at a price of £18M if the bought option is materialized,  Ben Davies to partner Phillips is a better option, Davies has played in the English leagues, while Kabak didn't, and he is young and naive.

Klopp dream on until you get the sack, however, any good and caring club's owner would have sacked that weirdo a long time ago.

GOD HELP US AND SAFE OUR LFC NO MORE DISGRACE AND HUMILIATION

 

12 posts, 5 likes, probably all from heimdall.

You’ll probably be banned before your next post. Cya

Stop responding to the WUMs lads, they'll go away when they don't get the attention they crave.

@heimdall: Klopp continues to play his high line to further impregnate the system. In the long run this is beneficial. You don't wanna confuse your players with several antagonistic systems. He lacks two decent CBs and another midfielder (Fab, Hendo). And yes, that makes all the difference in the world.

Not entirely mate, but like I mentioned he knows more than you or I or anyone else on these boards,  maybe he feels that what he has got to work with isn't a viable option to alter the way we play,

We all agree that Hendo & Fabinho in midfield will make us more solid but he'll say we are weaker at the back,  stick or twist scenario?


                                YNWA

The problems are there for all to see Billy and no amount of shuffling, manoeuvring or managerial genius can give us what we deserve.

Without the finance and genuine support from those who should provide, competing with our rivals in the long term is impossible.

They should have strengthened last season on the back of our success, that omission and the results of which we now contemplate.
Our midfield and defence is shot, the manager asked for back up some time ago with no response.

I am singing from the same sheet mate but what we see now does seem to confirm the tune.

@heimdall: Klopp continues to play his high line to further impregnate the system. In the long run this is beneficial. You don't wanna confuse your players with several antagonistic systems. He lacks two decent CBs and another midfielder (Fab, Hendo). And yes, that makes all the difference in the world.

But imagine for a moment our team set up like Burnley, ie ultra defensive low block BUT with our attackers ready to pounce on any counter attacking opportunities. Firstly it would confuse the F**k out of any oppoemanager, secondly I reckon we'd score more than we currently do as our attackers need space to move ie they need a counter attacking set up.
That's just one example of a tactical variation there must be many more, yet we only have Plan A which is about 5 years old now.

One thing the bottom teams have demonstrated over the years is that in a low block you don't need great defenders, ring a bell for our current situation?

The problems are there for all to see Billy and no amount of shuffling, manoeuvring or managerial genius can give us what we deserve.

Without the finance and genuine support from those who should provide, competing with our rivals in the long term is impossible.

They should have strengthened last season on the back of our success, that omission and the results of which we now contemplate.
Our midfield and defence is shot, the manager asked for back up some time ago with no response.

I am singing from the same sheet mate but what we see now does seem to confirm the tune.

Zzzzzzzzzzzz Owners bad, yawn!

I expect a top manager to find a solution, not play a high line with makeshift CB's, drop underperforming players, try different players/formations, not run players into the ground.

We can't keep pointing at our injuries to explain all our woes.

I very rarely post when Liverpool get beat as understandably can get toxic with frustrations going overboard, hell I've done it enough times myself so know what it feels like. I even had a spat when we drew  what should of been a win against Everton last kick of the game few days ago so totally get it.

However, what I can't work out is how you keep having a pop at one of the best managers in the world with such consistency.  It isnt rocket science to work out you don't have a squad like City & Chavs yet you still blame Klopp as if it's his fault you've got so many injuries.

Of course you can blame the injuries for your woes. Name me one team that has/had as many top players out this season more than Liverpool? Don't say Spurs ( which they have ) as I mean top players not just squad players.

I can see why  fellow fans get frustrated with you. Granted your also playing poorly as confidence is now low but I see more valid reasons why  that is rather than keep blaming Klopp. I really do think you want him out which is astounding. If you get your wish you won't be winning anymore trophies in the fourseeable.

Being a Liverpool fan you should know better than to keep showing negativity, espically after losing  a Derby match where frustrations will be at a all time high.