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      Reply #25: Feb 28, 2021 03:28:04 pm
      Feel dirty talking about this while the manager is still in contract and looks to honour it.

      If it were the case that Klopp was looking to leave or the owners wanted it so before the contract ends I would love for Benitez to come back as a buffer for when Gerrard has just a little more experience.

      I think that Benitez could still have us winning trophies in the interim and leave Stevie in a strong position to pick up a squad that could really challenge on all fronts, but then again Benitez has always been annoyed at the lack of money at his disposal so it might be a fairytale for him more than a reality.
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      Reply #26: Feb 28, 2021 03:56:14 pm
      Let Jürgen finish up with the work he has started. If he has respected us and hasn’t walked, then why should we disrespect him over a couple of undesirable results? It’s one thing to sack a manager, but identifying another to replace him while he’s still on the job is a big dishonour to the man who won us a few major trophies I feel.
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      Reply #27: Feb 28, 2021 06:24:05 pm
      Let Jürgen finish up with the work he has started. If he has respected us and hasn’t walked, then why should we disrespect him over a couple of undesirable results? It’s one thing to sack a manager, but identifying another to replace him while he’s still on the job is a big dishonour to the man who won us a few major trophies I feel.

      Agree fully.
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      Reply #28: Feb 28, 2021 06:24:51 pm
      If Jürgen was to go, Stevie would and should be his replacement. He's done extremely well at Rangers. It's a difficult club to manage - plenty of pressure, not much money and up against a dominant Celtic when he took over. He's got them playing decent football (something Rangers don't necessarily do historically, even when winning) and he seems seriously good at organising a defence as well. He's been level headed and comfortable in handling a big club. He now has way more experience than eg Kenny did when he took over (and that went pretty well). He should definitely be top of any new manager list.

      However, all that is (hopefully) irrelevant, cos Jürgen is the best manager in world football, he has unfinished business here (no way should he be satisfied with just 1 title and 1 European Cup with us), and I doubt he is going anywhere.
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      Reply #29: Feb 28, 2021 08:34:47 pm
      I would have loved for him to have worked with Klopp on the sidelines for a year or two before finally taking over, but with how well he's doing at Rangers thats never going to happen.
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      Reply #30: Feb 28, 2021 09:04:19 pm
      Nah..
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      Reply #31: Feb 28, 2021 09:48:24 pm
      I think he takes over in 2024. Many will write him off, but ge has turned Rangers from a shambles into a footballing side.

      Its all relative of course, but I think his and Jurgens contract ending when they do will be no coincidence.

      Lots of times it works and lots of times it doesn't but Stevie has the skill set for the job IMO. The only thing in his way would be getting too attached. He is very focused almost to the point of it being a negative.
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      Reply #32: Mar 01, 2021 08:20:04 am
      Sentimental manager changes never worked in the past, nor will work in the future.
      Even though Steven is a totem personality for the club, I think that a possible hiring as a manager will harm him and the club as well. We cannot compare Steven's success as a manager in a league where two teams are competing (and one of them is in a shitty situation at the moment), with the Premier League. They are different universes, and Steven doesn't have the experience yet to compete in the highest level. So, in Klopp we trust. Keep Jürgen for as long as possible.
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      Reply #33: Mar 01, 2021 08:41:37 am
      I think he takes over in 2024. Many will write him off, but ge has turned Rangers from a shambles into a footballing side.

      Its all relative of course, but I think his and Jurgens contract ending when they do will be no coincidence.

      Lots of times it works and lots of times it doesn't but Stevie has the skill set for the job IMO. The only thing in his way would be getting too attached. He is very focused almost to the point of it being a negative.

      The Scottish Prem is a tough league... I’m
      No fan of Rangers but the past decade they couldn’t lay a glove on Celtic, yes Celtic have been poor but Stevie has Rangers in a position to capitalise on the mistakes the current champions are making..

      Also, No one is discussing the form Stevie has Rangers in Europe, that’s some campaign.. We can say the SPL is a 2 club league but you can’t say that about the Europa Cup..
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      Reply #34: Mar 01, 2021 08:58:00 am
      The Scottish Prem is a tough league... I’m
      No fan of Rangers but the past decade they couldn’t lay a glove on Celtic, yes Celtic have been poor but Stevie has Rangers in a position to capitalise on the mistakes the current champions are making..

      Also, No one is discussing the form Stevie has Rangers in Europe, that’s some campaign.. We can say the SPL is a 2 club league but you can’t say that about the Europa Cup..


      What Gerrard does in the Scottish Prem shouldnt ever be the marker - it’s not a tough league , it’s a league of two teams and depending on the resources available for each team will be the winner - right now Rangers have the upper hand and he has done well but it’s akin to doing well in the Championship


      Europe however is different - right now he is doing very well in the Europa Lge - the next round will be key and then next season even bigger when Rangers are in the CL - it will be tough but if he can get Rangers into the Group stages and then go up against the top teams that imo will be the barometer for how well he is doing
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      Reply #35: Mar 01, 2021 09:32:36 am

      What Gerrard does in the Scottish Prem shouldnt ever be the marker - it’s not a tough league , it’s a league of two teams and depending on the resources available for each team will be the winner - right now Rangers have the upper hand and he has done well but it’s akin to doing well in the Championship


      Europe however is different - right now he is doing very well in the Europa Lge - the next round will be key and then next season even bigger when Rangers are in the CL - it will be tough but if he can get Rangers into the Group stages and then go up against the top teams that imo will be the barometer for how well he is doing

      See that annoys me mate, Im a scottish football supporter, well society member and season ticket holder at motherwell.

      Every player that comes to scotland from so called better leagues go away saying its nothing like what people say, farmers leagues and all that sh1te.

      And apart from that, you tell me how many other leagues regularly have someone win the title that isn't from the top 2.

      Germany - Munchen win it almost every year
      France - PSG been dominating for 10 years, before that Lyon dominated for 10 years
      Italy - Juve have domianted for at least 10 years, Inter had a spell of 5 years i think, then in years past obv. Milan and others had the odd win, but still 1 or 2 teams winning most things.
      Holland mostly PSV or Ajax, with Feyenord winning the odd title

      Even England, even though its very competitive league, for 20 odd years the mancs dominated it (boring farmers league) ;D





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      Reply #36: Mar 01, 2021 09:45:19 am
      See that annoys me mate, Im a scottish football supporter, well society member and season ticket holder at motherwell.

      Every player that comes to scotland from so called better leagues go away saying its nothing like what people say, farmers leagues and all that sh1te.

      And apart from that, you tell me how many other leagues regularly have someone win the title that isn't from the top 2.

      Germany - Munchen win it almost every year
      France - PSG been dominating for 10 years, before that Lyon dominated for 10 years
      Italy - Juve have domianted for at least 10 years, Inter had a spell of 5 years i think, then in years past obv. Milan and others had the odd win, but still 1 or 2 teams winning most things.
      Holland mostly PSV or Ajax, with Feyenord winning the odd title

      Even England, even though its very competitive league, for 20 odd years the mancs dominated it (boring farmers league) ;D


      And when did a team outside Celtic and Rangers win the title ? 37 years ago ?

      You don’t even get the odd team win every now and then


      In that same period in England

      Everton , Man Utd , City , Chelsea , Arsenal , Blackburn , Leicester and Liverpool have won the league


      Italy - Inter , AC , Lazio , Juve , Roma , Napoli , Sampdoria

      It’s the same with the other leagues


      But the big pointer is the performances in Europe - when was the last time a Scottish club reached the group stage of the CL ? They have the odd run in the Europa league


      Yep it will be tough relative the teams around them but at the moment most of the teams in the division would either be at Championship or Lge 1 level

      Rangers becoming good again should have been great for the league but it’s going to be a stroll again because Celtic are poor now - the league needs both Celtic and Rangers to be strong and then add in an Aberdeen or Hearts to challenge again
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      Reply #37: Mar 01, 2021 09:47:15 am
      Rangers are having a great season - as someone who (against sectarian stereoptypes) sympathises with the hooped side of the Old Firm - thats beyond dispute.

      That said - if you think what Stevie has done there means he would be ready for the reds then youre just wrong. Celtic have imploded and been complacent. Rangers form has been terrific but they've arguably underperformed in his first two seasons.

      This isn't a Scottish fitba reservation - this is a he hasn't shown me anything as a manager that would put him near my shortlist for those to follow Jürgen reservation.
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      Reply #38: Mar 01, 2021 10:17:44 am
      Finally clicked on the link to read the 'article'. What a piece of sh*t journalism, surely in the hat for the Booker prize this year.

      No named quotes, just opinion, speculation, & stating the obvious.

      It's a what if article from a rag just above the uber rag.
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      Reply #39: Mar 01, 2021 10:27:21 am
      Finally clicked on the link to read the 'article'. What a piece of sh*t journalism, surely in the hat for the Booker prize this year.

      No named quotes, just opinion, speculation, & stating the obvious.

      It's a what if article from a rag just above the uber rag.


      Thanks you have saved me the hassle. Again this morning its all over my newsfeed and I admit it nearly sucked me in.

      You get better writing in here than in some of those papers
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      Reply #40: Mar 01, 2021 10:33:17 am

      And when did a team outside Celtic and Rangers win the title ? 37 years ago ?

      You don’t even get the odd team win every now and then


      In that same period in England

      Everton , Man Utd , City , Chelsea , Arsenal , Blackburn , Leicester and Liverpool have won the league


      Italy - Inter , AC , Lazio , Juve , Roma , Napoli , Sampdoria

      It’s the same with the other leagues


      But the big pointer is the performances in Europe - when was the last time a Scottish club reached the group stage of the CL ? They have the odd run in the Europa league


      Yep it will be tough relative the teams around them but at the moment most of the teams in the division would either be at Championship or Lge 1 level

      Rangers becoming good again should have been great for the league but it’s going to be a stroll again because Celtic are poor now - the league needs both Celtic and Rangers to be strong and then add in an Aberdeen or Hearts to challenge again

      Aberdeen is last team to win the league outside top 2 in scotland, too long ago I agree.

      Oh sorry I forgot to mention spain, just 2 teams winning everything.

      And yes scottish teams have been poor in europe in recent times, but thats primarily down to the monoply of the tv deals the English league gets and the champions league money. We will never be able to compete with that, same with all the other leagues outside of the top 5 or so countries. That doesnt mean to say very other smaller leagues are totally crap football, or farmers leagues as folk down south like to call it.

      the level of pressure on a manager at celtic & rangers is the same if not more than any big club in any other league, they both have to win every game, and then add in the pressure of the sectarian element. Stevie G is getting a very good managerial education up here.
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      Reply #41: Mar 01, 2021 10:34:11 am
      Finally clicked on the link to read the 'article'. What a piece of sh*t journalism, surely in the hat for the Booker prize this year.

      No named quotes, just opinion, speculation, & stating the obvious.

      It's a what if article from a rag just above the uber rag.


      yup. its just rubbish journos printing rubbish stories, klopp and stevie are both contracted till 2024 as well. ;D
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      Reply #42: Mar 01, 2021 10:38:14 am
      Finally clicked on the link to read the 'article'. What a piece of sh*t journalism, surely in the hat for the Booker prize this year.

      No named quotes, just opinion, speculation, & stating the obvious.

      It's a what if article from a rag just above the uber rag.

      And we're all helping it along by clicking on it, devoting a whole thread to it. Even the title here makes it look like something is up,

      AND NOTHING IS UP.  JURGEN IS STAYING.

      The basis for the article is: 1) Gerrard used to play here, is very popular and is a manager now; 2) Jürgen is from Germany; 3) The team lost some games after a rash of injuries.

      There are other threads about Steven Gerrard if someone wants to discuss what might happen with him three + years in the future or reminisce about his playing career with us.
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      Reply #43: Mar 01, 2021 04:47:27 pm
      See that annoys me mate, Im a scottish football supporter, well society member and season ticket holder at motherwell.

      Every player that comes to scotland from so called better leagues go away saying its nothing like what people say, farmers leagues and all that sh1te.

      And apart from that, you tell me how many other leagues regularly have someone win the title that isn't from the top 2.

      Germany - Munchen win it almost every year
      France - PSG been dominating for 10 years, before that Lyon dominated for 10 years
      Italy - Juve have domianted for at least 10 years, Inter had a spell of 5 years i think, then in years past obv. Milan and others had the odd win, but still 1 or 2 teams winning most things.
      Holland mostly PSV or Ajax, with Feyenord winning the odd title

      Even England, even though its very competitive league, for 20 odd years the mancs dominated it (boring farmers league) ;D







      Most of those countries you listed have teams that also win European trophies. Scotland............nada!!
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      Reply #44: Mar 01, 2021 05:10:11 pm
      Didn't Graeme Souness do well managing Rangers as well?
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      Reply #45: Mar 01, 2021 05:14:30 pm
      Didn't Graeme Souness do well managing Rangers as well?

      Yep - he did very well up on the backing of a lot of money


      Ferguson is the last manager who has moved down and done well but he broke the old firm mould and also did well in Europe

      That’s what Gerrard needs to do - success in Europe , getting to the group stage must be the bare minimum- there have been a number of small clubs from many countries that have reached the group stage

      Until he proves himself on that level then he imo shouldn’t be considered for the Liverpool job
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      Reply #46: Mar 01, 2021 05:25:04 pm
      Yep - he did very well up on the backing of a lot of money


      Ferguson is the last manager who has moved down and done well but he broke the old firm mould and also did well in Europe

      That’s what Gerrard needs to do - success in Europe , getting to the group stage must be the bare minimum- there have been a number of small clubs from many countries that have reached the group stage

      Until he proves himself on that level then he imo shouldn’t be considered for the Liverpool job

      Personally don’t think there is a black and white, absolute framework to say someone is ready or not

      It’s a feel

      What would have happened if we had turned around to Kenny, or Bob or Joe and said you need to go and prove yourself first

      Anyway it’s years away yet, we have an unbelievable manager currently and I don’t want to think of the next, Stevie or whoever until Jürgen decides it’s time to move on
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      Reply #47: Mar 01, 2021 05:34:23 pm
      Personally don’t think there is a black and white, absolute framework to say someone is ready or not

      It’s a feel

      What would have happened if we had turned around to Kenny, or Bob or Joe and said you need to go and prove yourself first

      Anyway it’s years away yet, we have an unbelievable manager currently and I don’t want to think of the next, Stevie or whoever until Jürgen decides it’s time to move on


      It is that black and white for me - when Klopp does leave then i would want a proven manager at the highest level to come in


      We did use to promote from within but the game has moved on a lot since then
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      Reply #48: Mar 01, 2021 07:00:09 pm
      The Mirror have ran this story in three different guises over the last few days, they seem hell bent on JK leaving us.
      The media didn't rest until Suarez left us and they've done the same with Salah and Real Madrid for a good three years, Mane also with Barca and Real and Bobby with Barca . The Mirror have always done it every year for about 10 years Ryan Giggs was signing for Inter Milan, now I'm not arsed about the Mancs but it shows what utter BS gets spouted.


      It’s click bait ... they do it because LFC fans are more likely to click on the link if they are worried Klopp is going than if it’s a positive good-news story
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      Reply #49: Mar 01, 2021 07:33:50 pm
      Didn't Graeme Souness do well managing Rangers as well?

      He did. Cautionary tale.

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