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      Brian78
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      World cup 2030 bid
      Mar 03, 2021 02:13:07 pm
      Whats the feeling on this?

      Firstly Ill state that I will be shocked if this is not held in Uruguay 100 years after the first world cup.

      In saying that I think England is well overdue hosting it again. But I fail to see why adding in Scotland Wales Northern Ireland and ourselves is of any benefit.

      England surely has enough stadia in enough different cities with a 40 thousand ir more capacity.

      We for example have one. Yet here in Dublin we remain the only capital city with no direct rail connection to the city centre from the airport.

      The North has nothing close to fit for purpose

      Scotland has 4 with 3 all in the one city and Wales obviously has the Millenium.

      England alone or England with Wales and or Scotland Id get but this 5 countries seems far reaching
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      Reply #1: Mar 03, 2021 05:51:44 pm
      Would Uruguay alone have enough stadia to host a world cup alone? Particularly since it is going to be expanded to more teams. I imagine FIFA requires certain # of stadia with certain capacity to be able to host? Seems regional world cup locations is the latest flavor as 2026 is split amongst US, Mexico and Canada, though the bulk of the games are in the US. so England, Wales and Scotland would probably be a popular choice.

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      Reply #2: Mar 03, 2021 06:21:54 pm
      Would Uruguay alone have enough stadia to host a world cup alone? Particularly since it is going to be expanded to more teams. I imagine FIFA requires certain # of stadia with certain capacity to be able to host? Seems regional world cup locations is the latest flavor as 2026 is split amongst US, Mexico and Canada, though the bulk of the games are in the US. so England, Wales and Scotland would probably be a popular choice.



      Think they are going in with Argentina
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      Reply #3: Mar 03, 2021 06:59:37 pm
      Would be nice to see Dublin, Glasgow and Edinburgh host World Cup football along with the countless world class stadia in England.
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      Reply #4: Mar 03, 2021 07:28:11 pm
      Do think it is time for the World Cup to return here. Bit ridiculous that Mexico, Germany and US will have hosted it twice (Mexico arguably 3 times) before England could get it again .
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      Reply #5: Mar 03, 2021 08:54:09 pm
      Do think it is time for the World Cup to return here. Bit ridiculous that Mexico, Germany and US will have hosted it twice (Mexico arguably 3 times) before England could get it again .

      There are more countries in Europe to compete with as host nations than in North America, though. Since England hosted in '66 Europe has hosted the WC 6 times, that is twice as much as the 2nd highest (North America).
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      Reply #6: Mar 04, 2021 12:56:29 pm
      Just hope it's staged somewhere that isn't a backwards state where basic human rights aren't outlawed, unlike the upcoming tournament
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      Reply #7: Mar 04, 2021 01:02:23 pm
      Just hope it's staged somewhere that isn't a backwards state where basic human rights aren't outlawed, unlike the upcoming tournament

      Rules us out so!!

      I jest 😉
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      Reply #8: Mar 04, 2021 05:12:35 pm
      Just hope it's staged somewhere that isn't a backwards state where basic human rights aren't outlawed, unlike the upcoming tournament

      New Zealand it is then as all other countries from east to west have flaws in their human rights records..
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      Reply #9: Mar 04, 2021 05:28:43 pm
      New Zealand it is then as all other countries from east to west have flaws in their human rights records..

      To be fair I can't see many hosting countries having anywhere near 6,500 deaths of workers working on the infrastructure.
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      Reply #10: Mar 04, 2021 06:20:30 pm
      To be fair I can't see many hosting countries having anywhere near 6,500 deaths of workers working on the infrastructure.

      So it’s a health & safety issue & not a human rights issue then..?
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      Reply #11: Mar 04, 2021 07:25:13 pm
      New Zealand it is then as all other countries from east to west have flaws in their human rights records..

      Every country has its flaws. But in my post I stated "basic human rights", such as the right to not be thrown in prison for your sexuality. Britain is far from perfect but the Wahhabi states in the gulf are far worse

      So it’s a health & safety issue & not a human rights issue then..?

      Certainly a human rights issue. Many of the workers are south asian migrants who have been exploited
       
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      Reply #12: Mar 04, 2021 07:39:48 pm
      Every country has its flaws. But in my post I stated "basic human rights", such as the right to not be thrown in prison for your sexuality. Britain is far from perfect but the Wahhabi states in the gulf are far worse

      Certainly a human rights issue. Many of the workers are south asian migrants who have been exploited
       

      Got more chance of being thrown into jail or getting chopped up in an embassy for being a vocal critic of the regime than your sexuality...& on the exploitation of workers, it’s a shame it takes the World Cup for the spotlight to be shone on such practices...

      Workers in the Far East have been exploited for decades  by western capitalism...

      Adidas we’re having products produced by the Ughyir Muslims held in Chinese concentration camps, most of our tech comes from China..I don’t see calls for boycotts..

      It’s coming across as double standards that Qatar are holding the World Cup, the day they got the vote the smear campaign started against it..

      Give them a chance to reform, hopefully the WC will just do that..
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      Reply #13: Mar 05, 2021 01:50:14 am
      So it’s a health & safety issue & not a human rights issue then..?

      Probably both, but that figure is F***ing shocking.
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      Reply #14: Mar 05, 2021 11:48:01 am
      Probably both, but that figure is f**king shocking.

      Absolutely & they need to be called to account for it, it’s such a shame it’s taken the WC to highlight the plight of immigrant workers in the Gulf states.
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      Re: World cup 2030 bid
      Reply #15: Oct 22, 2024 09:22:05 pm
      Sadly, it looks like not much will be done to address the environmental issues of hosting the 2030 World Cup in 6 countries (3 continents)...


      'World Cup bid process makes a mockery of green pledges – it’s time for reform'

      Handling of the 2030 and 2034 tournaments undermines Fifa’s environmental commitments, but it doesn’t have to be like this

      www.theguardian.com/football/2023/nov/01/world-cup-bid-process-makes-a-mockery-of-green-pledges-its-time-for-reform (October 2023)



      Although it shouldn't be too surpassing given FIFA's debunked claims for 2022 World Cup...

      'Qatar 2022: ‘How the Greenest World Cup Ever was the Dirtiest in History’'

      Fifa president Gianni Infantino boasted that the World Cup would be carbon neutral – here’s what really happened after the final whistle

      https://bylinetimes.com/2024/09/24/qatar-world-cup-2022-carnon-neutral



      Wikipedia page for the 2030 World Cup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2030_FIFA_World_Cup

      FIFA page for the 2030 World Cup: www.fifa.com/en/tournaments/mens/worldcup/articles/world-cup-2030-hosts-qualified-bidding-spain-argentina-morocco-uruguay-portugal-paraguay

      www.fifa.com/en/tournaments/mens/worldcup/articles/bid-books-submitted-for-2030-and-2034-world-cups



      Ah, apologies - I didn't see the other '2030 World Cup' thread in the General Footy forum: www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,53606.0.html

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      Re: World cup 2030 bid
      Reply #16: Oct 28, 2024 06:44:24 pm
      'Saudi Arabia’s World Cup bid gathers pace – but at what cost to human life?'...

      After the horrors in Qatar we are somehow heading for an even bigger scale of tragedy for migrant workers in the run-up to Saudi Arabia 2034

      www.theguardian.com/football/2024/oct/28/saudi-arabia-world-cup-2034-qatar-fifa-neom





      a snippet...

      'We may never know exactly how many migrant workers died on stadium and infrastructure projects that served Qatar 2022. This newspaper’s own figures show that at least 6,751 people from a handful of Asian countries died in the country between 2010 and 2020. Statistics from African embassies, such as Kenya’s, have been harder to acquire. It is the grimmest of numbers games that thousands of people simply could not win.

      Here is another number: 21,000. It is the total of Nepali, Bangladeshi and Indian workers reported to have died in Saudi Arabia since its Vision 2030 plan was launched in April 2016. That was just one revelation from an ITV documentary, undertaken amid extreme risk, screened on Sunday night. Kingdom Uncovered: Inside Saudi Arabia showed snapshots of a world those reimagining the vast desert state would rather you did not see; images Fifa might prefer you believe are merely a trick of the light. Six and a half weeks before the Saudis’ 2034 World Cup bid goes through on the nod, we really are back here.'
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      Reply #17: Oct 30, 2024 11:15:14 pm
      'Report on 2034 World Cup bidders Saudi Arabia is ‘flawed’, say 11 human rights groups'...

      Eleven leading human rights organisations have rounded on Clifford Chance, a leading global law firm whose Saudi operation produced a 39-page document published by the world football governing body FIFA, claiming it represents a “flawed” assessment of Saudi Arabia as the country bids to host the 2034 World Cup.

      www.nytimes.com/athletic/5873571/2024/10/27/clifford-chance-saudi-report-fifa-human-rights - or in full & free, here: https://archive.ph/lD33M







      'Saudi Arabia World Cup bid report accused of ‘whitewashing’ rights abuses'..

      Law firm AS&H Clifford Chance failed to include alleged abuse of migrant workers in assessment for Fifa 2034 bid, say rights groups

      www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/oct/31/saudi-arabia-football-world-cup-bid-report-asandh-clifford-chance-fifa-2034-rights-groups






      www.theguardian.com/football/fifa : www.theguardian.com/football/world-cup-2030

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      Reply #18: Nov 16, 2024 01:08:29 pm
      'Saudi Arabia’s World Cup: how close could Fifa get to corporate manslaughter?'...

      In a country where thousands of migrant workers have died since 2016 a huge building project lies ahead. December’s coronation will stand as surely the most wretched, bloody, damaging act in the history of global organised sport

      www.theguardian.com/football/2024/nov/15/saudi-arabias-world-cup-how-close-could-fifa-get-to-corporate-manslaughter





      a snippet...


      '“People will die.”
      Amnesty International

      “You can never say again that you did not know.”
      William Wilberforce

      We are at least approaching a decisive crossroads on this journey. Fifa is due to announce the winning bids for the 2030 and 2034 World Cups live from Zurich on 11 December via an “extraordinary virtual congress”, which certainly sounds like an exciting kind of congress.

      In reality this process is extraordinary in one specific sense. The candidates to stage the 2034 edition of the grandest and most lucrative entertainment event on the planet line up as follows. Favourites: Saudi Arabia. Shortlisted: Saudi Arabia. Dark horses: Saudi Arabia. Chief sponsor of Fifa: Saudi Arabia. Only bid not eliminated by a gathering sense of inevitability: Saudi Arabia.'


      and...


      'And make no mistake, these are stark. The recent ITV documentary, Kingdom Uncovered, gave us another number to go with the World Cup bid book’s excitable talk of 11 new stadiums, 185,000 new hotel rooms and Fifa’s estimated $1bn sponsorship deal with Aramco, Saudi Arabia’s state-owned oil company.

      That number is 21,000, or the total of Nepali, Bangladeshi and Indian workers reported to have died since the launch of the Vision 2030 programme in April 2016, a process hardly likely to be halted by a World Cup green light.

      Death is not a distant hypothetical at this stage. It’s here in the room with us. We have data from Qatar. We can even make a fair estimate of the total deaths a Saudi tournament will leave in its wake without serious reforms, a calculation presumably factored somewhere into Fifa’s planning, just another part of the bidding algorithm under Gianni Infantino.'


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      Reply #19: Nov 16, 2024 01:32:53 pm
      'Saudi Arabia’s World Cup: how close could Fifa get to corporate manslaughter?'...

      In a country where thousands of migrant workers have died since 2016 a huge building project lies ahead. December’s coronation will stand as surely the most wretched, bloody, damaging act in the history of global organised sport

      www.theguardian.com/football/2024/nov/15/saudi-arabias-world-cup-how-close-could-fifa-get-to-corporate-manslaughter





      a snippet...


      '“People will die.”
      Amnesty International

      “You can never say again that you did not know.”
      William Wilberforce

      We are at least approaching a decisive crossroads on this journey. Fifa is due to announce the winning bids for the 2030 and 2034 World Cups live from Zurich on 11 December via an “extraordinary virtual congress”, which certainly sounds like an exciting kind of congress.

      In reality this process is extraordinary in one specific sense. The candidates to stage the 2034 edition of the grandest and most lucrative entertainment event on the planet line up as follows. Favourites: Saudi Arabia. Shortlisted: Saudi Arabia. Dark horses: Saudi Arabia. Chief sponsor of Fifa: Saudi Arabia. Only bid not eliminated by a gathering sense of inevitability: Saudi Arabia.'


      and...


      'And make no mistake, these are stark. The recent ITV documentary, Kingdom Uncovered, gave us another number to go with the World Cup bid book’s excitable talk of 11 new stadiums, 185,000 new hotel rooms and Fifa’s estimated $1bn sponsorship deal with Aramco, Saudi Arabia’s state-owned oil company.

      That number is 21,000, or the total of Nepali, Bangladeshi and Indian workers reported to have died since the launch of the Vision 2030 programme in April 2016, a process hardly likely to be halted by a World Cup green light.

      Death is not a distant hypothetical at this stage. It’s here in the room with us. We have data from Qatar. We can even make a fair estimate of the total deaths a Saudi tournament will leave in its wake without serious reforms, a calculation presumably factored somewhere into Fifa’s planning, just another part of the bidding algorithm under Gianni Infantino.'




      HĂ sn't that already happened in Qatar and it was quietly brushed under the carpet.

      Saudi will get the 2030 world cup and F**k all will be said.
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      Reply #20: Nov 16, 2024 03:47:48 pm
      HĂ sn't that already happened in Qatar and it was quietly brushed under the carpet.

      Saudi will get the 2030 world cup and F**k all will be said.
      This is where you find the real corruption in the game....right at the very top where the big money is. Backhanders galore for delegates, consultants, advertisers, ministers of state etc....all with their snouts in the trough. All the talk about dodgy ref's this last week is small beans in comparison.
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      Reply #21: Nov 24, 2024 10:05:53 am
      Saudi will get the 2030 world cup and F**k all will be said.

      This.

      It really doesn't matter what we think
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      Reply #22: Nov 26, 2024 02:20:27 pm
      'Migrant workers face ‘cycle of abuse’ in Saudi Arabia before World Cup, UN told'...

      ITUC-Africa raises ‘severe concerns’ over labour practices
      Organisation calls on Caf to press Fifa on human rights


      www.theguardian.com/football/2024/nov/26/migrant-workers-saudi-arabia-abuse-world-cup-un





      a snippet...


      'A trade union organisation that represents 18 million African workers has submitted a complaint to the United Nations against labour practices in Saudi Arabia. It has called for “immediate and decisive action” with the country poised to be granted World Cup hosting rights next month.

      In an account that collates claims of malpractice and abuse alongside testimonies from migrant workers, the African Regional Organisation of the International Trade Union Confederation (ITUC-Africa) argues that “the relentless cycle of abuse and exploitation mark the daily existence of African migrant workers in Saudi Arabia.

      “These workers, who play a crucial role in the economies of both their home countries and Saudi Arabia, face relentless exploitation, including wage theft, forced labour, unsafe working conditions and egregious violations of their dignity and rights under the Kafala system.

      “Saudi Arabia’s bid to host the 2034 Fifa World Cup raises severe concerns about the potential escalation of these abuses. Without immediate and decisive action, the situation is likely to worsen, resulting in more preventable deaths and further violations of human and labour rights. The treatment of African migrant workers in Saudi Arabia represents a clear and egregious violation of international human rights laws, most notably the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights.”

      Fifa is a signatory to the UN Guiding Principles and article three of its statutes reads: “Fifa is committed to respecting all internationally recognised human rights and shall strive to promote the protection of these rights.”

      Football’s governing body has been the subject of multiple accusations that it has failed to properly engage with the human rights risks of taking the world’s biggest sporting tournament to Saudi Arabia.'



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