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      Reds drawn against Madrid in CL Quarters

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      Re: Reds drawn against Madrid in CL Quarters
      Reply #75: Mar 21, 2021 08:19:05 pm
      It's a 50/50 tie for me.

      They are stronger in defence (if Ramos is there to hold Varane's hand) and the midfielders are pretty even as we won't have Hendo. It'll come down to whether our attack will be firing by the time the tie comes around and if our centre backs can deal with Benzema who just seems to be getting better with age.

      Yeah its a tough one to call, I think we'll edge it over two legs but we'll need our forwards in top form.
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      Reply #76: Mar 21, 2021 09:18:15 pm
      I’ve not looked but I’d be surprised if the bookies don’t have us down as favourites.

      Obviously shouldn’t be looking past them though. They have experience and know all the dark arts.

      Even without hendo, we should still have more than enough energy in midfield to smother Modric, kroos and casemiro.
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      Reply #77: Mar 21, 2021 09:50:21 pm
      I honestly think we'll take them apart over two legs by a bigger margin than Leipzig. They're a much declined team from the one who cheated us out of another CL trophy, and we're a different animal in Europe to the wounded and self doubting lion we are in the league.
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      Reply #78: Mar 21, 2021 11:22:20 pm
      Bring these Cu*ts on!!

      Payback Bitches...

      Mo to score 5 over the two legs and

      Ramos to stand in the middle of Anfield looking as dumb and confused as Messi did on that Famous night.

      Another iconic photo coming up!!!!
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      Reply #79: Mar 22, 2021 08:20:41 am
      It's a 50/50 tie for me.

      They are stronger in defence (if Ramos is there to hold Varane's hand) and the midfielders are pretty even as we won't have Hendo. It'll come down to whether our attack will be firing by the time the tie comes around and if our centre backs can deal with Benzema who just seems to be getting better with age.

      I'd agree with that,most of our players i believe are better (except from our CB's)but they have a lot of experience in Europe with Navas,Ramos,Varane,Casemiro,kroos,Modric and Benzema so 50/50 is fair.i'd love to see a red for Ramos when Salah goes clear through on goal and Ramos is the last man and Salah has the slightest touch and goes down,then we go through with a dodgy penalty.
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      Re: Reds drawn against Madrid in CL Quarters
      Reply #80: Mar 22, 2021 01:56:08 pm
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      Real Madrid. This is what the Champions League is all about. Never mind all the revenge crap.

      Imagine if we had a full Bernabeu to visit and a packed Anfield for Real to tremble in. Iv a good feeling on this tie. We'll take them over two legs then we will worry about Porto or more then likely Chelsea.

      So we've gone from unable to cope against Brighton and Fulham to taking Real Madrid in 2 legs. That's a long jump in a short space of time.

      There is never ever ever ever ever a good time to face Real Madrid, and this isn't either. Current La Liga Champions and still in the hunt to retain it, is not bad for a team in apparant transition and turmoil. We may be great in this competition, but Real are the experts, and the masters of how to win it again and again. Zidane has won it 4 times as player and manager alone. We have lost the last 3 games against Real, and the last time we played Real over two legs, we got done 4-0 on aggregate and the home game was over by half time, as Ronaldo ran amok. As I said, there is never a good time to face Real Madrid, and there are several other sides I would rather take on instead.

      Unless it's a repeat of the final, you can knock talk of revenge on the head also. The outcome in Kiev is set in stone and nothing will change it, not even shouting Scouse at Ramos, which he won't understand a syllable of. This is just about getting through to the next round, and these are currently the best teams in Europe. There are very few walkovers going once you get to this stage.
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      Reply #81: Mar 22, 2021 04:16:15 pm
      So we've gone from unable to cope against Brighton and Fulham to taking Real Madrid in 2 legs. That's a long jump in a short space of time.

      There is never ever ever ever ever a good time to face Real Madrid, and this isn't either. Current La Liga Champions and still in the hunt to retain it, is not bad for a team in apparant transition and turmoil. We may be great in this competition, but Real are the experts, and the masters of how to win it again and again. Zidane has won it 4 times as player and manager alone. We have lost the last 3 games against Real, and the last time we played Real over two legs, we got done 4-0 on aggregate and the home game was over by half time, as Ronaldo ran amok. As I said, there is never a good time to face Real Madrid, and there are several other sides I would rather take on instead.

      Unless it's a repeat of the final, you can knock talk of revenge on the head also. The outcome in Kiev is set in stone and nothing will change it, not even shouting Scouse at Ramos, which he won't understand a syllable of. This is just about getting through to the next round, and these are currently the best teams in Europe. There are very few walkovers going once you get to this stage.

      There was only Dortmund and Porto that would have been a better draw,i believe if our strikers start getting the service and start scoring we will get through,I've watched Madrid a lot this season and they are a more defensive team this season and are not scoring as freely they have done in recent seasons,take Benzema out of the game and we will win.
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      Re: Reds drawn against Madrid in CL Quarters
      Reply #82: Mar 22, 2021 09:19:33 pm
      Bring these Cu*ts on!!

      Payback Bitches...

      Mo to score 5 over the two legs and

      Ramos to stand in the middle of Anfield looking as dumb and confused as Messi did on that Famous night.

      Another iconic photo coming up!!!!

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      Re: Reds drawn against Madrid in CL Quarters
      Reply #83: Mar 23, 2021 01:48:55 am
      So we've gone from unable to cope against Brighton and Fulham to taking Real Madrid in 2 legs. That's a long jump in a short space of time.

      There is never ever ever ever ever a good time to face Real Madrid, and this isn't either. Current La Liga Champions and still in the hunt to retain it, is not bad for a team in apparant transition and turmoil. We may be great in this competition, but Real are the experts, and the masters of how to win it again and again. Zidane has won it 4 times as player and manager alone. We have lost the last 3 games against Real, and the last time we played Real over two legs, we got done 4-0 on aggregate and the home game was over by half time, as Ronaldo ran amok. As I said, there is never a good time to face Real Madrid, and there are several other sides I would rather take on instead.

      Unless it's a repeat of the final, you can knock talk of revenge on the head also. The outcome in Kiev is set in stone and nothing will change it, not even shouting Scouse at Ramos, which he won't understand a syllable of. This is just about getting through to the next round, and these are currently the best teams in Europe. There are very few walkovers going once you get to this stage.

      Looking past Madrid would be foolish. They’re an experienced side and still have good players. But it is a good time to play them without doubt.

      Yes they’re in the hunt for la liga still, but that doesn’t mean too much this season. They’re 6 points behind atletico who are bang average, did you watch them against Chelsea? Chelsea battered them both home and away.

      Barca are a mess and even they’re above Madrid. As soon as they came up against decent opposition in PSG look at what happened to them.

      All of atletico, Barca and Madrid are in transition right now and they’re not the same sides they were 3-4 seasons ago.

      You mention Brighton and Fulham, and we can also name another dozen teams if we wanted, but we are clueless against organised teams with deep defences who park the bus and let us have all the possession.

      European games are totally different though. Usually, you come up against teams who want to play football, and that suits us perfectly. That’s when we are at our best. The games are open and there’s more space. We will press teams into mistakes and counter using the channels getting the best out of Trent, robbo, mane and Salah. For madrid, we certainly have the legs on them and were much more aggressive and energetic than what they are.

      From the 7 sides we could have faced I would have ranked them in order of easiest games for us as: Porto, Dortmund, Madrid, Chelsea, PSG, Bayern, City.

      So to get number 3 on the list and then have then playing the winners of 1 and 4 is a fantastic draw for us.

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      Re: Reds drawn against Madrid in CL Quarters
      Reply #84: Mar 23, 2021 09:04:17 am
      6 meetings, 3 wins each. They have won the last 3.

      We won the first three 6 nil on aggregate. They won the next three 7-1.

      We have inflicted one defeat on each other in a European cup final.

      No seperating us and its going to be nip and tuck again here. Away goal or goals could be the most important factor
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      Re: Reds drawn against Madrid in CL Quarters
      Reply #85: Mar 23, 2021 09:38:47 am
      Certainly rather have Real Madrid, than Man City. I always prefer international opposition, than a premier league club. It is just a pity that there will not be a full crowd for the second leg at Anfield.
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      Reply #86: Mar 23, 2021 09:46:45 am
      There was only Dortmund and Porto that would have been a better draw,i believe if our strikers start getting the service and start scoring we will get through,I've watched Madrid a lot this season and they are a more defensive team this season and are not scoring as freely they have done in recent seasons,take Benzema out of the game and we will win.

      Our strikers have had plenty of chances, but have taken only 3% of them.
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      Reply #87: Mar 23, 2021 10:17:24 am
      Our strikers have had plenty of chances, but have taken only 3% of them.

      I don't think the service from midfield especially has been good enough and i did say if they start scoring!also how many goals have come from Gini or Thiago?the midfield need to chip in as well.
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      Reply #88: Mar 23, 2021 11:10:51 am
      I don't think the service from midfield especially has been good enough and i did say if they start scoring!also how many goals have come from Gini or Thiago?the midfield need to chip in as well.

      I'll repeat.
      3% conversion rate.

      This shows we are getting loads of chances, we are creating loads of chances, we are not converting those chances into goals.

      Saying "our midfield needs to chip in" displays a lack of understanding in our midfield's role(s).
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      Reply #89: Mar 23, 2021 02:26:49 pm
      I'll repeat.
      3% conversion rate.

      This shows we are getting loads of chances, we are creating loads of chances, we are not converting those chances into goals.

      Saying "our midfield needs to chip in" displays a lack of understanding in our midfield's role(s).

      We all know what the role of our midfielders are but they still need to contribute. Do you think we signed Naby, Thiago and ox to be water carriers?
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      Re: Reds drawn against Madrid in CL Quarters
      Reply #90: Mar 23, 2021 02:57:12 pm
      Respect everyone, fear no one.

      Because of our CB injuries i understand not being favorites, but far, far from an un-winnable tie for us.
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      Reply #91: Mar 23, 2021 03:13:39 pm
      Respect everyone, fear no one.

      Because of our CB injuries i understand not being favorites, but far, far from an un-winnable tie for us.

      Ive no respect for these, one of if not the biggest bunch of c**ts in football
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      Reply #92: Mar 23, 2021 03:25:11 pm
      Ive no respect for these, one of if not the biggest bunch of c**ts in football

      Agree, but by respect i mean not going into the tie thinking "they're not what they used to be so we should be able to beat them easily" but need to respect their experience and success in the competition.
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      Re: Reds drawn against Madrid in CL Quarters
      Reply #93: Mar 23, 2021 06:39:44 pm
      Useless fact

      None of the other big 5 European clubs have a superior head to head against us

      Real, Barce AC Bayern and Ajax
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      Reply #94: Mar 24, 2021 06:57:37 am
      I'll repeat.
      3% conversion rate.

      This shows we are getting loads of chances, we are creating loads of chances, we are not converting those chances into goals.

      Saying "our midfield needs to chip in" displays a lack of understanding in our midfield's role(s).

      Look at the assists and goals from Thiago and Gini,you focus on our strikers who have roles in the team apart from scoring,their defensive duties are outstanding at times.Maddison and Fernandes are midfielders who score assist and defend as midfielders!I think we should expect more from both our midfielders.
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      Reply #95: Mar 24, 2021 07:06:25 am
      Agree, but by respect i mean not going into the tie thinking "they're not what they used to be so we should be able to beat them easily" but need to respect their experience and success in the competition.

      I don't think Jürgen and the boys should have any respect for Zidane or Real,the way they beat us in 2018 wasn't on the pitch it was disgusting dark arts tactics by Ramos who targeted our weak link in Karius and our strongest link in Mo,as for respecting them for experience and success what a load of bull,you play the team in front of you and your only as good as your last game,live in the present and not the past.I have no doubt Jürgen doesn't need to fire the boys up for this because they will be chewing at the bit to beat these cheating fuckers.I predict a win for football,a win for the reds.COYR
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      Reply #96: Mar 24, 2021 07:16:52 am
      For my, it is payback time.

      We need at least make ourselves hard to beat and the team must give something to us to celebrate.
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      Reply #97: Mar 24, 2021 11:45:38 am
      Look at the assists and goals from Thiago and Gini,you focus on our strikers who have roles in the team apart from scoring,their defensive duties are outstanding at times.Maddison and Fernandes are midfielders who score assist and defend as midfielders!I think we should expect more from both our midfielders.

      What is so difficult to understand about FB's creating while midfielders hold and cover?

      Klopp has been very clear about this a number of times, and yet people still don't understand.

      All you have to do is watch the game, and look at how the 2 deepest midfielders slot in behind the FB when they get forwards.

      The central mid (or 2 if one FB stays deep) are there to win the ball back, which is why they sit a little deeper, outside the box.

      Klopp's way is to compress the play, and attack from the flanks, creating overloads with 2 wide players (1 forward, 1 FB) with one midfield player covering behind them (again to win the ball back, primarily).

      So you can literally draw a line going from one flank to the other, from each midfielder, and it will be straight (in normal attacking positions).

      How can anyone watch this team for 5 years and still not understand the most basic principle of how Klopp sets them up?

      Oh, sorry, yeah, another reason to bi*ch, whine, and target players for a slagging while pretending not to understand the system.
      It's either that or a complate lack of understanding of the system.
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      Reply #98: Mar 24, 2021 12:22:13 pm
      What is so difficult to understand about FB's creating while midfielders hold and cover?

      Klopp has been very clear about this a number of times, and yet people still don't understand.

      All you have to do is watch the game, and look at how the 2 deepest midfielders slot in behind the FB when they get forwards.

      The central mid (or 2 if one FB stays deep) are there to win the ball back, which is why they sit a little deeper, outside the box.

      Klopp's way is to compress the play, and attack from the flanks, creating overloads with 2 wide players (1 forward, 1 FB) with one midfield player covering behind them (again to win the ball back, primarily).

      So you can literally draw a line going from one flank to the other, from each midfielder, and it will be straight (in normal attacking positions).

      How can anyone watch this team for 5 years and still not understand the most basic principle of how Klopp sets them up?

      Oh, sorry, yeah, another reason to bi*ch, whine, and target players for a slagging while pretending not to understand the system.
      It's either that or a complate lack of understanding of the system.

      Think the FBs had 25 assists between them 19/20 league and 8 so far this season think that's what is the problem
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      Reply #99: Mar 24, 2021 01:04:12 pm
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      Looking past Madrid would be foolish. They’re an experienced side and still have good players. But it is a good time to play them without doubt.

      Yes they’re in the hunt for la liga still, but that doesn’t mean too much this season. They’re 6 points behind atletico who are bang average, did you watch them against Chelsea? Chelsea battered them both home and away.

      Barca are a mess and even they’re above Madrid. As soon as they came up against decent opposition in PSG look at what happened to them.

      All of atletico, Barca and Madrid are in transition right now and they’re not the same sides they were 3-4 seasons ago.

      You mention Brighton and Fulham, and we can also name another dozen teams if we wanted, but we are clueless against organised teams with deep defences who park the bus and let us have all the possession.

      European games are totally different though. Usually, you come up against teams who want to play football, and that suits us perfectly. That’s when we are at our best. The games are open and there’s more space. We will press teams into mistakes and counter using the channels getting the best out of Trent, robbo, mane and Salah. For madrid, we certainly have the legs on them and were much more aggressive and energetic than what they are.

      From the 7 sides we could have faced I would have ranked them in order of easiest games for us as: Porto, Dortmund, Madrid, Chelsea, PSG, Bayern, City.

      So to get number 3 on the list and then have then playing the winners of 1 and 4 is a fantastic draw for us.

      Real beat Atalanta home and away, we could only win the away leg. In 4 home games in Europe this season, we still haven't scored in the first half. And they were all home games against teams who as you say, suits us perfectly.

      Everyone wrote Porto off against Juventus. Porto are the only group runners up to make the quarter finals, so they're in it on merit. Dortmund are no mugs either. It took us 3 hours to beat them the last time.

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      There was only Dortmund and Porto that would have been a better draw,i believe if our strikers start getting the service and start scoring we will get through,I've watched Madrid a lot this season and they are a more defensive team this season and are not scoring as freely they have done in recent seasons,take Benzema out of the game and we will win.

      From the odds I've seen, neither side are favourites. The tie could go either way. Take Benzema out and you have Isco, Asensio, Vinicius to face. Then when you've done that, there's Modric and Kroos to deal with. After that, Casemiro, Marcelo, possibly Hazard as well. Real are a quality side full of world class players who have seen it all and won it all, who haven't lost a game since January, and you really shouldn't want to face the club from a purely football perspective.

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