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      Brian78
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      Liverpool trophieless 11
      Mar 26, 2021 01:12:15 pm
      Just noticed in a post I made that Gordon Hodgson never won a trophy with the club. Got me thinking what all time Luverpool elevens can we come up with of players who never won anything at the club.

      To make it a bit more interesting dont include players less than three seasons at the club or young players who never made it but might have dobe well elsewhere.....
      « Last Edit: Mar 26, 2021 01:17:34 pm by Brian78 »
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      Re: Liverpool trophieless 11
      Reply #1: Mar 26, 2021 02:06:48 pm
      Kenny winning the league cup in 2012has robbed this selection of at least 3 good options!!
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      Reply #2: Mar 26, 2021 10:25:42 pm
      Kenny winning the league cup in 2012has robbed this selection of at least 3 good options!!

      This was the first thing that came into my head as well, when I saw rgus a few good players ended up with that League Cup and nothing else!
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      Reply #3: Mar 28, 2021 11:24:19 am
      Struggling here

      so far, 4 3 3

                             Mignolet

      Busby      Matteo       Harkness    Spicer

                   Masch  Coutinho  Yossi B

       Alun Evans  Gordon Hodgson Torres
      « Last Edit: Mar 28, 2021 11:40:22 am by Brian78 »
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      Re: Liverpool trophieless 11
      Reply #4: Mar 28, 2021 12:05:04 pm
      Torres, Coutinho and Mascherano definitely noticeable on that list.

      The nice problem is that there have been so few barren periods in the last 50 years. 

      I'm sure some of the older members might remember great trophyless players from periods in the 60s.
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      Reply #5: Mar 28, 2021 12:12:45 pm
      Torres, Coutinho and Mascherano definitely noticeable on that list.

      The nice problem is that there have been so few barren periods in the last 50 years. 

      I'm sure some of the older members might remember great trophyless players from periods in the 60s.

      Its incredible really how over the years we have landed at least one trophy in most players time at the club.

      The 50s was barren but a huge portion of the players of that time either carried over from the 40s title win or continued on into Shanks time
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      Reply #6: Mar 28, 2021 12:57:51 pm
      Struggling more....


                                                             Mignolet
                                         Tanner Mascherano  Diao  Hutchinson
                                                  Reidle   Coutinho.  Speedie
                                                Dundee.     Torres.   Collymore


      Had good old Bob Bolder in as GK but he never actually wore the gloves in anger, but then I spotted Brian had listed Mignolet and that was my get out of jail card, I think the rest are ok but I got a fookin headache now and can’t be arsed digging anymore 😂

      Anyhoo, best I can come up.



                                                                              Y  N  W  A


       

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      Reply #7: Mar 28, 2021 01:29:02 pm
      Mignolet
      Clyne
      Piechnik
      Kvarme
      Dicks
      Ince
      Leonhardsen
      Stewart
      Collymore
      Dundee
      Torres

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      Reply #8: Mar 28, 2021 01:32:51 pm
      Mignolet
      Clyne
      Piechnik
      Kvarme
      Dicks
      Ince
      Leonhardsen
      Stewart
      Collymore
      Dundee
      Torres



      No surprise most of that lot won nothing 🙈
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      Reply #9: Mar 28, 2021 06:05:56 pm
      Mignolet
      Clyne
      Piechnik
      Kvarme
      Dicks
      Ince
      Leonhardsen
      Stewart
      Collymore
      Dundee
      Torres



      Paid actual money to go and watch all these play football. 🤯
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      Reply #10: Mar 28, 2021 06:35:24 pm
      Crikey, Mignolet appearing in all these first eleven tells you everything.

      With a better keeper would Liverpool have won the title in 2014? I think so.
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      Reply #11: Mar 28, 2021 06:58:13 pm
      Crikey, Mignolet appearing in all these first eleven tells you everything.

      With a better keeper would Liverpool have won the title in 2014? I think so.

      Would have won it in the 90s with a better keeper
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      Reply #12: Mar 28, 2021 08:17:06 pm
      Crikey, Mignolet appearing in all these first eleven tells you everything.

      With a better keeper would Liverpool have won the title in 2014? I think so.

      At the same time, we won the league by such a big margin last season that it could have been Migs in goal and we still would have won it.
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      Reply #13: Mar 28, 2021 08:54:41 pm
      Crikey, Mignolet appearing in all these first eleven tells you everything.

      With a better keeper would Liverpool have won the title in 2014? I think so.

      Probably although the defence in front of him was nowhere near title winning quality either. Only Agger from that lot was good enough and he couldn't stay fit.
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      Reply #14: Mar 28, 2021 09:14:49 pm
      No surprise most of that lot won nothing 🙈

      Torres was a superb forward, so was Collymore in patches.
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      Reply #15: Mar 29, 2021 11:29:30 am
      Torres was a superb forward, so was Collymore in patches.

      He was and Collymore was unplayable for one season but look behind them!!! Whats creating for them and whats keeping the ball out at the other end
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      Reply #16: Mar 29, 2021 11:38:26 am
      He was and Collymore was unplayable for one season but look behind them!!! Whats creating for them and whats keeping the ball out at the other end

      Collymore had everything football wise fantastic player on his day not sure he had the attitude or heart to kick on unfortunately
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      Reply #17: Mar 29, 2021 02:17:12 pm
      Hard to believe the likes of Torres and Masch never won anything with us..
      Does Nigel Clough count?
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      Reply #18: Mar 29, 2021 03:57:38 pm
      Paid actual money to go and watch all these play football. 🤯

      Fair few f**king nightmares from watching them too.
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      Reply #19: Mar 30, 2021 11:02:16 am
      Depends on the definition of the word ‘won’
      Mignolet was on the bench for the 18/19 CL final and I presume has a winners medal?
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      Reply #20: Mar 30, 2021 11:17:20 am
      Depends on the definition of the word ‘won’
      Mignolet was on the bench for the 18/19 CL final and I presume has a winners medal?

      Yep 0 appearances but he has a medal as he was in the squad.
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      Reply #21: Mar 30, 2021 11:28:35 am
      Were f**ked for a keeper so

      Brad Friedel had 3 seasons but only 25 games...hell have to jump in.

      Reina Dudek Westerveld and James all won Something
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      Reply #22: Mar 30, 2021 12:29:05 pm
      Probably although the defence in front of him was nowhere near title winning quality either. Only Agger from that lot was good enough and he couldn't stay fit.

      So many of our fans have this opinion on the likes of agger, and there are several other players I can name too.

      We had a soft spot for him because he had ynwa on his knuckles and scored a few screamers. But he was nowhere near top level standard - rio, vidic, Terry, etc

      Compare VVD to agger now and the difference is huge. That’s the standard required to win titles.

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      Reply #23: Mar 30, 2021 12:33:03 pm
      Were f**ked for a keeper so

      Brad Friedel had 3 seasons but only 25 games...hell have to jump in.

      Reina Dudek Westerveld and James all won Something

      Patrice Luzi or that knobhead that made a tit of himself at the Hillsborough memorial then
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      Reply #24: Mar 30, 2021 12:35:24 pm
      Patrice Luzi or that knobhead that made a tit of himself at the Hillsborough memorial then

      We had some shams didnt we
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      Reply #25: Mar 30, 2021 12:38:13 pm
      So many of our fans have this opinion on the likes of agger, and there are several other players I can name too.

      We had a soft spot for him because he had ynwa on his knuckles and scored a few screamers. But he was nowhere near top level standard - rio, vidic, Terry, etc

      Compare VVD to agger now and the difference is huge. That’s the standard required to win titles.



      He was brilliant tattoo or no tattoo. Excellent on the ball, good in the air, hard, could tackle and could pop up with a goal.

      Him and Hyppia are 2 of the finest over the last 20 years in my opinion. Only Carra VVD ahead of them
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      Reply #26: Mar 30, 2021 02:44:00 pm
      He was brilliant tattoo or no tattoo. Excellent on the ball, good in the air, hard, could tackle and could pop up with a goal.

      Him and Hyppia are 2 of the finest over the last 20 years in my opinion. Only Carra VVD ahead of them

      Hmmm, not sure about that Agger was decent but not top notch, not even close to Hyppia, Carra, VVD, Matip and Gomez.
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      Reply #27: Mar 31, 2021 01:01:04 am
      He was brilliant tattoo or no tattoo. Excellent on the ball, good in the air, hard, could tackle and could pop up with a goal.

      Him and Hyppia are 2 of the finest over the last 20 years in my opinion. Only Carra VVD ahead of them

      Disagree.

      I remember him struggling against tall, physical forwards frequently because he wasn’t good in the air or particularly strong. The likes of Kevin Davies would be his worst nightmare and we were always vulnerable because of it.

      He scored a few belters and brought the ball out from the back better than others so it clouded peoples judgment on him.

      During his era, he wasn’t one of the best cbs in the league and he wouldn’t have got in the sides above us at that time either.

      You’re right that he’s been one of our best centre halves in recent times but that doesn’t mean much. There’s a reason why it took 30 years to win the title.

      As for carragher, he’s actually another example of our fans over hyping. He too wasn’t good enough. He formed a great partnership with sami (I think sami could have made Titus bramble look half decent to be honest) but whenever he was partnered with skrtel or agger he was exposed. He said himself on a Fowler podcast recently that he was a bottom 6 / top 6 championship player.

      When you compare the players who were considered the best at that time, so John Terry mainly, he was levels and levels above both carragher and agger. Something else carragher has said himself several times too.

      I understand the love they get from our fan base but neither were world class or brilliant players, just good ones who were good servants and as a result, our fans are guilty of thinking they were better players than what they actually were.
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      Reply #28: Mar 31, 2021 09:16:21 am
      So many of our fans have this opinion on the likes of agger, and there are several other players I can name too.

      We had a soft spot for him because he had ynwa on his knuckles and scored a few screamers. But he was nowhere near top level standard - rio, vidic, Terry, etc

      Compare VVD to agger now and the difference is huge. That’s the standard required to win titles.



      Agger was good enough to be a part of a title winning squad, maybe as the number 3 centre back. The rest of the crop - Skrtel, Kolo and Sakho were just terrible which was my point. Skrtel got away with it that year because he scored a few goals and the other two were liked by the fans at the time.

      Was never comparing Agger to Ferdinand, Terry or VVD who I agree were/are superior defenders.
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      Reply #29: Apr 01, 2021 01:55:11 pm
      Agger was good enough to be a part of a title winning squad, maybe as the number 3 centre back. The rest of the crop - Skrtel, Kolo and Sakho were just terrible which was my point. Skrtel got away with it that year because he scored a few goals and the other two were liked by the fans at the time.

      Was never comparing Agger to Ferdinand, Terry or VVD who I agree were/are superior defenders.

      I know you never mentioned those names  but you said only agger was good enough to win a title.  I mentioned those names because that was the standard at the time and something agger was well short of.

      As a third choice centre back then I’d agree he would have been good enough for a title winning squad. The same way I think matip is more than good enough for us when he’s actually fit.

      A lot of our players in the past thirty years have been massively over hyped by our fans though. John Arne Riise is a great example. If you asked most reds what they thought of riise they’d all say how great he was when in reality he was just a good player who scored a few cracking goals which stick in people’s memory.  Cole, Baines, Evra were the standard at the time who were all levels above riise. But if you ask our fans, you would think he was roberto Carlos. And it’s the same for so many of our past players.

      Funnily enough, it’s happening to man United right now. They’ve forgotten what the standard is to win titles too. Rashford is a good example for them. Majority of their fans think he’s world class. But the standard is mo Salah or in recent times Eden hazard and rashford is nowhere near that level and if united want to win titles and compete again then they need to upgrade on the likes of him.

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