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      Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)

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      CT_LFC
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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #25: Mar 29, 2021 06:08:50 pm
      If true, it's a little frustrating to hear this news coming out now.  We need Ozan to be focused and confident over the next 8+ weeks.  News of a move that would potentially kill his future with us could easily put him into a funk. 

      Ideally, it would be both Kabak and Konate with Matip allowed to leave.

      If this is what's coming out then the way i read it is that no one really knows. LFC is very prudent on how they handle things, and as you mention, we need Ozan fully confident and free of distractions, so i see this "one or the other" being mainly guess work.

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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #26: Mar 29, 2021 06:15:18 pm
      If this is what's coming out then the way i read it is that no one really knows. LFC is very prudent on how they handle things, and as you mention, we need Ozan fully confident and free of distractions, so i see this "one or the other" being mainly guess work.

      If that prudent and news coming out of Konate would still have the same outcome would it not another player in the same position he plays
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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #27: Mar 29, 2021 06:22:46 pm
      If that prudent and news coming out of Konate would still have the same outcome would it not another player in the same position he plays

      It's different for Kabak as he isnt' actually a LFC player yet.  He is probably hoping that he can convince us to sign him permanently in the summer.  News like this has the potential to be a real kick in the teeth and could shatter his confidence and kill his commitment to the Liverpool cause. 

      It's good that we are active early and looking to make improvements to the side for next season.  I just hope this news break doesn't bite us in the ass...
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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #28: Mar 29, 2021 06:49:38 pm
      It's different for Kabak as he isnt' actually a LFC player yet.  He is probably hoping that he can convince us to sign him permanently in the summer.  News like this has the potential to be a real kick in the teeth and could shatter his confidence and kill his commitment to the Liverpool cause. 

      It's good that we are active early and looking to make improvements to the side for next season.  I just hope this news break doesn't bite us in the ass...

      Yeh I agree my point is the news coming out at all and if there any truth it will affect all CBs maybe not VVD but certainly Matip , Kabak and Joe even Phillips as if he does come pretty sure he will be aiming for a starting position
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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #29: Mar 29, 2021 08:02:23 pm
      Story breaking in the Athletic, maybe we will hear James Pearce later today. Edit: He is retweeting this.

      https://mobile.twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1376429333938573312



      Ornstein on this podcast taking about the story:

      The Athletic's David Ornstein joins the regular panel to bring us the latest on his exclusive story that Liverpool are finalising a deal for RB Leipzig defender Ibrahima Konate

      Link to podcsst:

      https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5zaW1wbGVjYXN0LmNvbS9fY1kxNmU3SQ/episode/OGFiNzY4NDYtNmFkNS0xMWViLWJlOWYtZTM5ZjNmMzFkN2Rj?ep=14
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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #30: Mar 30, 2021 01:13:48 am
      Already very injury prone in his young career. Talented but I dont think hes worth that kind of money considering.
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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #31: Mar 30, 2021 02:38:48 am
      In light of the flood of people pointing out the injury record of the lad, I have a genuine question.

      Do we have anybody here on the forum with some medical knowledge or specifically medical knowledge in the field of sports that could tell us what type of injuries are indicative of being injury prone and which ones are just bad luck (assuming a broken bone after a very though chalenge is not the same as a recurring hamstring or something like that)?

      I know the average sports fan will associate repeating muscle injuries with being prone to injury but I have no idea how accurate this is.
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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #32: Mar 30, 2021 09:25:52 am
      In light of the flood of people pointing out the injury record of the lad, I have a genuine question.

      Do we have anybody here on the forum with some medical knowledge or specifically medical knowledge in the field of sports that could tell us what type of injuries are indicative of being injury prone and which ones are just bad luck (assuming a broken bone after a very though chalenge is not the same as a recurring hamstring or something like that)?

      I know the average sports fan will associate repeating muscle injuries with being prone to injury but I have no idea how accurate this is.

      No medical expert but I viewit this way

      Eample 1 Joe Gomez. Not injury prone. His injuries in his career are long term and picked up in the process of playing, ligament or bone injury for example

      Example 2; Keita/Matip Injury prone.That is to say cznt play more then 3 games in a row without picking up whats termed " a niggle" That is feeling of any little pain or pull in any muscle particularly groins hammers quads.

      In example 2 I personally wonder how much is in the head. Feel a little strsin after kicking or running and then decide to look after themselves for a while.

      I know this, no Gerry Byrnes play the game now
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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #33: Mar 30, 2021 04:31:11 pm
      Konate-VVD would be a defensive monster. Can't wait to happen. Phillips is a decent back-up, I also hope we keep Gomez and Matip. Ozan is just too slow, kind of the same fate as Shaq. They'll never be core players in a top team. In midfield and offense I do not see the need of new players, only if Gini + Milner !!! go away.
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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #34: Mar 30, 2021 04:48:57 pm
      Konate-VVD would be a defensive monster. Can't wait to happen. Phillips is a decent back-up, I also hope we keep Gomez and Matip. Ozan is just too slow, kind of the same fate as Shaq. They'll never be core players in a top team. In midfield and offense I do not see the need of new players, only if Gini + Milner !!! go away.

      What are you on about?  Kabak is easily quicker and faster than both Matip and Phillips.

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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #35: Mar 30, 2021 07:03:19 pm
      So which of the front 3 is off in the summer then? Mo to Madrid?

      Looks promising this lad he’s injury records a bit of a downer though.


      I think the insinuation is that we have to sell to buy.
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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #36: Mar 30, 2021 07:42:56 pm
      I think the insinuation is that we have to sell to buy.

      For someone like Konate? no, for Mbappe/Haaland? probably yes to partially offset cost.
      « Last Edit: Mar 30, 2021 08:06:11 pm by CT_LFC »
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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #37: Mar 31, 2021 02:42:48 am
      1). He had a big muscle injury last season was out for most of the season. Was out for 6 weeks this season with an ankle injury.

      2). Only recently returned from injury.

      3). Koulibaly will be 30 in June. Konate is only 21 so a long term signing.



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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #38: Apr 06, 2021 05:39:51 pm
      We should just buy him first and worry about the rest later. Is this our feeder club?
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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #39: Apr 23, 2021 06:54:39 pm
      Reports claiming this is close release clause met
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      Reply #40: Apr 23, 2021 07:40:46 pm
      Done deal according to Fabrizio Romano 5 year contract Liverpool will pay €35m release clause..

      Ticks all the boxes for me big, strong, powerful in the air, comfortable taking the ball out from the back and chips in with the odd goal aswell could be a smart bit of business
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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #41: Apr 24, 2021 10:38:37 am
      Done deal according to Fabrizio Romano 5 year contract Liverpool will pay €35m release clause..

      Ticks all the boxes for me big, strong, powerful in the air, comfortable taking the ball out from the back and chips in with the odd goal aswell could be a smart bit of business

      Sounds like it is done.

      Will anybody notice?
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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #42: Apr 24, 2021 10:42:14 am
      A transfer that perhaps should have been done when Lovren went. 

      Good to see it being addressed.
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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #43: Apr 24, 2021 01:22:53 pm
      A transfer that perhaps should have been done when Lovren went. 

      Good to see it being addressed.

      Disagree. What happened this season is completely unexpected and out of the norm. I think this signing means Matip is being moved on.
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      Reply #44: Apr 24, 2021 01:41:43 pm
      That move should wrap it up.

      In goal we have Alisson and Kelleher as back up.

      In CB defense we have VVD, Konate and as back-ups Kabak/Matip/Phillips/Gomez, two of them are expendable though I'd keep Matip and Gomez and let Phillips and Kabak walk.

      RB/LB are set with TAA and Robbo, Milner can always jump in as well as Tsimikas.

      In midfield we have Thiago, Hendo, Fab, Keita, Jones, Ox and Milner. Plenty enough.

      In offense we have our front 4 plus Shaq, Origi and Minamino.

      Plus we still have some young guns that could make it to the first team!


      I don't see a weakness in our squad, of course considering that we cannot use cheat modes like City or PSG, so that we cannot make sure we can cope with more than 1-2 key injuries. Far more important will be that Jürgen self-scouts his system. IMO we need to shoot more from around the box instead of always trying tiki-taka which fails 9/10, and we need a striker that can convert crosses into headers.

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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #45: Apr 24, 2021 04:00:16 pm
      That move should wrap it up.

      In goal we have Alisson and Kelleher as back up.

      In CB defense we have VVD, Konate and as back-ups Kabak/Matip/Phillips/Gomez, two of them are expendable though I'd keep Matip and Gomez and let Phillips and Kabak walk.

      RB/LB are set with TAA and Robbo, Milner can always jump in as well as Tsimikas.

      In midfield we have Thiago, Hendo, Fab, Keita, Jones, Ox and Milner. Plenty enough.

      In offense we have our front 4 plus Shaq, Origi and Minamino.

      Plus we still have some young guns that could make it to the first team!


      I don't see a weakness in our squad, of course considering that we cannot use cheat modes like City or PSG, so that we cannot make sure we can cope with more than 1-2 key injuries. Far more important will be that Jürgen self-scouts his system. IMO we need to shoot more from around the box instead of always trying tiki-taka which fails 9/10, and we need a striker that can convert crosses into headers.



      I still see a weakness but it's not players, it's tactics.
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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #46: Apr 24, 2021 07:28:46 pm
      Disagree. What happened this season is completely unexpected and out of the norm. I think this signing means Matip is being moved on.

      Joel will still be here next season. Our 4 CBs will be Virgil, Joe, Konate and Matip, so long as the three injured players are able to return to action.

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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #47: Apr 24, 2021 07:56:27 pm
      Sounds a good player. We need somebody quick. i would give Kabak a miss for that reason, although I like him otherwise.

      Konate's injury record is a bit of a worry though. Surprised we are taking the chance on that to be honest, given our injury probs for the other 3 this season. Can only assume/hope our medical people really do their due diligence on him.
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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #48: Apr 24, 2021 08:01:21 pm
      Joel will still be here next season. Our 4 CBs will be Virgil, Joe, Konate and Matip, so long as the three injured players are able to return to action.

      Could be. I’m a big Joel fan but the guy is softer than warm butter.

      If Matip does stay then I believe that means Zabak’s option doesn’t get triggered and go with Nat/Fab as 5 and 6 options.

      However, imo, i prefer also getting Kabak since we can cover a large portion of his fee with a sale of Matip and that way we continue building towards the next generation of CBs with Gomez, Konate and Kabak.
      « Last Edit: Apr 24, 2021 08:06:23 pm by CT_LFC »
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      Re: Ibrahima Konate (RB Leipzig)
      Reply #49: Apr 24, 2021 08:15:05 pm
      I can't say I've watched the guy a lot but I'm reading good things about him. One interesting attribute is how quick he is which is really an important trait of any quality center-back nowadays. The amount of time VVD will correct a situation by keeping up pace with the opponent is not to be underestimated

      It will be interesting to see what happens with Kabak. I think he definitely can become a quality centerback especially onces he's playing alongside established partners like Gomez, VVD or Matip. I wonder what's the plan especially when you consider that there's 1 year left on Matip's contract. I can't bring myself to think that we are looking to extend Matip's. I mean we are either trying to sell him or we're willing to run the clock down on his contract, but I dont see us extending it.

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