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      UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024

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      Lallana in Pyjamas
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #25: Apr 21, 2021 09:15:54 pm
      The supporters being the biggest part of the clubs have no say anywhere why not have respresentation on the boards of football clubs and representatives on the Premier league and FA, but as usual the fan is last in line, we should flex are mussel and maybe remind these selfish bas**rds who pay there wages


      It would be great but unfortunately we aren’t their main source of income - the foreign Telly rights and media rights gulf it.


      It stopped being about the fans a long time ago
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #26: Apr 21, 2021 09:22:12 pm
      Wether we are or are not their main income we as supporters still should have some say
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      Reply #27: Apr 21, 2021 09:27:13 pm
      Wether we are or are not their main income we as supporters still should have some say


      We all do have a say - we watch the sport or we don’t. They won’t have fans on boards. The first step clubs need to do is create links to fans groups but then which fan group will it be
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #28: Apr 21, 2021 09:46:43 pm

      We all do have a say - we watch the sport or we don’t. They won’t have fans on boards. The first step clubs need to do is create links to fans groups but then which fan group will it be

      Can't have the fans stopping their wage stream, but as you sat perhaps the only way to make them listen is to not go/watch
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #29: Apr 22, 2021 09:05:18 am
      180 CL group/league games from 2024. Up from 96 now.

      Yes there will be a few more 'top' games but there will also be a hell of a lot of Salzburg v FC Basel.

      And at the end of those 180 games you could finish 24th out of 36 in the table and still win the Champions League.

      Crackers.
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #30: Apr 22, 2021 10:08:55 am
      180 CL group/league games from 2024. Up from 96 now.

      Yes there will be a few more 'top' games but there will also be a hell of a lot of Salzburg v FC Basel.

      And at the end of those 180 games you could finish 24th out of 36 in the table and still win the Champions League.

      Crackers.

      Absolute madness.

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      Reply #31: Apr 22, 2021 10:17:49 am
      Yep - people are pointing fingers at the clubs and praising the likes of UEFA and co whilst this has happened

      And isn't that the biggest own goal of all of this? Once the 12 clubs had blew their load too early by announcing this ESL nonsense the attention was put on themselves and allowed UEFA to without backlash ruin another tournament all in the name of their own greed.

      The last thing the competition needed from a viewing perspective was an even more bloated format.

      The last thing the clubs needed was even more fixtures into the calendar.

      All these 12 clubs have managed to do is make themselves the bad guys in the eyes of the public and in doing so have lost any leverage over every single governing body they play under.
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      Reply #32: Apr 22, 2021 10:20:34 am
      And isn't that the biggest own goal of all of this? Once the 12 clubs had blew their load too early by announcing this ESL nonsense the attention was put on themselves and allowed UEFA to without backlash ruin another tournament all in the name of their own greed.

      The last thing the competition needed from a viewing perspective was an even more bloated format.

      The last thing the clubs needed was even more fixtures into the calendar.

      All these 12 clubs have managed to do is make themselves the bad guys in the eyes of the public and in doing so have lost any leverage over every single governing body they play under.

      Agree. Beggars belief that UEFA think we want more football.

      Players are stretched enough to the limit as it is without adding more seemingly meaningless games to the CL.

      That's not even taking into consideration this weird new Champions Conference League or whatever it's called starting next season.
      « Last Edit: Apr 22, 2021 11:18:46 am by srslfc »
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #33: Apr 22, 2021 10:33:24 am
      180 CL group/league games from 2024. Up from 96 now.

      Yes there will be a few more 'top' games but there will also be a hell of a lot of Salzburg v FC Basel.

      And at the end of those 180 games you could finish 24th out of 36 in the table and still win the Champions League.

      Crackers.

      talk about rinsing the life out of the game
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #34: Apr 22, 2021 11:40:55 am
      180 CL group/league games from 2024. Up from 96 now.

      Yes there will be a few more 'top' games but there will also be a hell of a lot of Salzburg v FC Basel.

      And at the end of those 180 games you could finish 24th out of 36 in the table and still win the Champions League.

      Crackers.

      A serious point from this, they are doubling the matches and will also run with there internationals which of course now includes the nations cup.

      They have been allowed a moeal high ground here they do not deserve. They dont give a sh*te about us or players either.

      Like the 12 owners UEFA only care about money. F**k them as much as anyone else involved in this
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #35: Apr 22, 2021 11:48:01 am
      Agree. Beggars belief that UEFA think we want more football.

      Players are stretched enough to the limit as it is without adding more seemingly meaningless games to the CL.

      That's not even taking into consideration this weird new Champions Conference League or whatever it's called starting next season.

      But they package the rights together and that is how the subscriptions and especially the advertising is sold. Heineken or whoever isn't counting on you watching 180 games, but the 10 Liverpool group games. Same for fans of other clubs. As access has improved over here, I've watched nearly every match we've played for more than 20 years now (increasingly). Eyeballs bring Ad money .

      The crime of it is, as you say, how bloated the schedule has become, with the resulting wear on the players themselves.

      Oh,and don't forget the expanded FIFA club world championship coming soon! :mad:
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      Reply #36: Apr 22, 2021 12:20:56 pm
      Just reading the UEFA president's remarks from today. What an arrogant jackass.
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #37: Apr 22, 2021 01:41:36 pm
      Just reading the UEFA president's remarks from today. What an arrogant jackass.


      Yea, one thing that was always going to suck was that whoever blinked in this standoff was going to give the other side a lot of ammunition to think they were now the top dog. So UEFA and FIFA will believe they can do whatever they want because they staved off this "coup".
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #38: Apr 22, 2021 01:46:27 pm
      Just reading the UEFA president's remarks from today. What an arrogant jackass.

      Haven't read his remarks yet, but this UEFA vs ESL was really a matter of who you hate most. One side you have UEFA and their corrupt organization and the other having to listen to Perez talk about the ESL and saving the sport. Wish there had been a scenario where both lost.
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #39: Apr 22, 2021 01:56:14 pm
      Haven't read his remarks yet, but this UEFA vs ESL was really a matter of who you hate most. One side you have UEFA and their corrupt organization and the other having to listen to Perez talk about the ESL and saving the sport. Wish there had been a scenario where both lost.

      Not really true.
      The ESL debacle gave people an excuse to pursue their agenda against FSG.

      It was a massive fuckup, no doubt, but the reactions of some, whilst ignoring UEFA are pretty over the top.

      I especially love the people going on about "competition" and the "football pyramid" as if they give a f**k, rather than just using it to virtue signal.
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #40: Apr 22, 2021 02:04:47 pm
      Not really true.
      The ESL debacle gave people an excuse to pursue their agenda against FSG.

      It was a massive fuckup, no doubt, but the reactions of some, whilst ignoring UEFA are pretty over the top.

      That, and some people show their hypocrisy with always complaining that we don't spend enough and then suddenly turning virtuous about the ESL which would have allowed to the team spend at higher levels. Make no mistake though, come summer transfer window these same "anti capitalism" people will be posting a laundry list of players they want to buy headlined by Mbappe and Haaland.

      This ESL was a f**k up for sure, no doubt about it, and when people are upset about the history of the club, fans, etc i completely agree with it. But when the outrage is over FSG being greedy to me that is just crocodile tears.

      It does suck that UEFA comes out of this looking a bit like the victim of the 12 ESL teams and with a higher sense of power now that this ESL break out was shut down in 48 hours.
      « Last Edit: Apr 22, 2021 02:20:24 pm by CT_LFC »
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #41: Apr 22, 2021 02:05:35 pm
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56842442

      Perez now saying the super league is inevitable and will go ahead at some point.
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      Reply #42: Apr 22, 2021 02:12:24 pm
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56842442

      Perez now saying the super league is inevitable and will go ahead at some point.

      It’s been inevitable since 92 , they said the same in 98 and all the other times they have tried
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      Reply #43: Apr 22, 2021 02:19:02 pm
      I was thinking earlier I wish we could see a time and this could be it in a perfect world (I know I know) that this could have been the time to start again and give everyone a better footballing world at the top end

      Maybe the top clubs get a bit more
      Maybe UEFA get more/the high ground plus the facilitators of footballs best competition
      Maybe fans get their perfect football experience

      I am a massive boxing fan as well as football, and to an extent this smacks of too many governing bodies wanting to be the pinnacle of the sport
      You have the WBC the WBA the WBO and the IBO, then all of those have their silver champions, their mandatory champions, their franchise champions when in truth what all boxing fans would want is to know who is the world champion in each weight class

      But in football terms these could have got their heads together and created the best of both worlds

      The Champions league could have reverted back to something similar to the old European Cup, the Champion's of each league fighting to be the best in Europe
      The Super League could have become what the champions league was, two divisions of 15, promotion and relegation and the best against the best in a consistent league

      As I said, I know I know this is perfect pie in the sky thinking but that's something Maybe we could have all got behind and ultimately been excited for

      All we have though is batching and fighting, shame and drawn out arguments
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #44: Apr 22, 2021 03:05:40 pm
      Can anybody with more knowledge then me, explain how it will work and wtf is going on? Will there be top 4 from PL going into CL? i have read somewhere that the team UEFA consider top, will be getting automatic CL place? is that true and are we considered a top team by UEFA?
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #45: Apr 22, 2021 03:18:10 pm
      Can anybody with more knowledge then me, explain how it will work and wtf is going on? Will there be top 4 from PL going into CL? i have read somewhere that the team UEFA consider top, will be getting automatic CL place? is that true and are we considered a top team by UEFA?

      It’s based on the UEFA club ranking, so the highest ranked team (or teams, not sure if it’s more than one place) that didn’t qualify to the CL via national league (or winning CL/EL) qualifies.
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #46: Apr 22, 2021 11:09:50 pm
      It’s based on the UEFA club ranking, so the highest ranked team (or teams, not sure if it’s more than one place) that didn’t qualify to the CL via national league (or winning CL/EL) qualifies.

      2 teams were supposed to get in by this avenue. The club coefficient is based on their historic performance in European play. Normally it goes back back seasons, not sure if that is the same time span they are/were going to use to determine which two extra teams get in.

      If that is the only thing lost to the breakaway clubs, it is not that big of a deal for them as far as retribution goes.
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #47: Apr 23, 2021 07:42:04 am
      Historic European cup wins from 2024 will now give permanent points towards coefficient.

      Although Im struggling to find the article that explains this.
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #48: Apr 23, 2021 11:29:20 am
      Can anyone confirm.if the UEFA president took a salary increase, a substantial one, during the pandemic?
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      Re: UEFA expand Champions League to 36 teams from 2024
      Reply #49: Apr 23, 2021 11:05:34 pm
      So the old Saturday/Wednesday/Sunday fixture will now become a Saturday/Monday/Wednesday/Friday/Sunday routine.

      Rock on.

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