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      POSTPONED: Man Utd v Liverpool - Premier League

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      Keith Singleton
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      Re: POSTPONED: Man Utd v Liverpool - Premier League
      Reply #525: May 05, 2021 06:30:49 pm
      So May 13th it is then. 3 games in 5 days for United. Looking like we will be playing reserves against you lot.  :lmao:
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      Re: POSTPONED: Man Utd v Liverpool - Premier League
      Reply #526: May 05, 2021 06:38:42 pm
      'World class' has as many definitions as there are people who have ever said or written it. Your definition must be at the looser end.

      4 of our players got in the world XI: Alisson, Trent, Virg, Thiago. Yes, the rest of their teammates are of that ilk or near it.


      So you agree Klopp has a fantastic team at his disposal.
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      Reply #527: May 05, 2021 06:45:22 pm
      Jürgen has at his disposal a squad with WORLD CLASS players at every position with one of the most expensive wages in the league. WTF are you talking about "working miracles". He's not being asked to win with a championship team for fucks sake.

      Were Robbo, Mane, Salah, Fabinho etc considered excellent/world class when they joined? Lot of people didn't know who Fab was. Mo had a few dodgy spells with diff clubs. Mane was at Saints. Robbo came from nowhere, well Hull. The list goes on.

      Roll forward from when we brought them in, to the end of the 2019/20 season - these players were worth many tens of millions more than when they were signed.

      Jürgen turned this squad, these players, into PL and CL champions. And made them household names.
      FSG haven't had to do a Sheikh Mansour, or an Abramovich - they have invested, but not to the same extent - Jürgen has just done an unbelievable job.
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      Re: POSTPONED: Man Utd v Liverpool - Premier League
      Reply #528: May 05, 2021 06:45:50 pm
      So May 13th it is then. 3 games in 5 days for United. Looking like we will be playing reserves against you lot.  :lmao:

      Yeh sure you will
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      Re: POSTPONED: Man Utd v Liverpool - Premier League
      Reply #529: May 05, 2021 06:47:06 pm
      Thursday the 13th for the replay. Wonder they won't let the home fans in
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      Re: POSTPONED: Man Utd v Liverpool - Premier League
      Reply #530: May 05, 2021 06:55:25 pm
      Were Robbo, Mane, Salah, Fabinho etc considered excellent/world class when they joined? Lot of people didn't know who Fab was. Mo had a few dodgy spells with diff clubs. Mane was at Saints. Robbo came from nowhere, well Hull. The list goes on.

      Roll forward from when we brought them in, to the end of the 2019/20 season - these players were worth many tens of millions more than when they were signed.

      Jürgen turned this squad, these players, into PL and CL champions. And made them household names.
      FSG haven't had to do a Sheikh Mansour, or an Abramovich - they have invested, but not to the same extent - Jürgen has just done an unbelievable job.

      No one denies what a great manager Klopp is, but this idea that he is having to work miracles with the squad is hyperbolic garbage.
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      Reply #531: May 05, 2021 06:56:11 pm
      So you agree Klopp has a fantastic team at his disposal.

      Yes, but it's fantastic because he made it fantastic. It's his side. He built it. He trained it. He set it up tactically. He kicked its arse when necessary. He shouted its name from the rooftops at other times.

      Do you think any other manager could have got 2 back-to-back near-100 point seasons out of this particular piano? Whilst taking on arguably the most daunting opponent in European football history in terms of their ability to spend money and rack up points relentlessly?

      Inspired a comeback from 3-0 down against one of the most revered sides in European history including arguably THE most revered player of all time? With Divock Origi leading the line for us?

      I don't.
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      Reply #532: May 05, 2021 07:02:09 pm
      No one denies what a great manager Klopp is, but this idea that he is having to work miracles with the squad is hyperbolic garbage.

      I don't think you have the first idea how difficult football management is.

      Piss easy on computer games innit.
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      Re: POSTPONED: Man Utd v Liverpool - Premier League
      Reply #533: May 05, 2021 07:07:14 pm
      Amongst all the garbage in this post, this part stinks the most.

      Jürgen has at his disposal a squad with WORLD CLASS players at every position with one of the most expensive wages in the league. WTF are you talking about "working miracles". He's not being asked to win with a championship team for fucks sake.

      Getting competitive with that City side and beating them to a title is nothing short of a miracle given the financial situation of both clubs.

      Saying it's not is doing Klopp a massive disservice in my opinion.
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      Re: POSTPONED: Man Utd v Liverpool - Premier League
      Reply #534: May 05, 2021 07:12:50 pm
      Yes, but it's fantastic because he made it fantastic. It's his side. He built it. He trained it. He set it up tactically. He kicked its arse when necessary. He shouted its name from the rooftops at other times.

      Do you think any other manager could have got 2 back-to-back near-100 point seasons out of this particular piano? Whilst taking on arguably the most daunting opponent in European football history in terms of their ability to spend money and rack up points relentlessly?

      Inspired a comeback from 3-0 down against one of the most revered sides in European history including arguably THE most revered player of all time? With Divock Origi leading the line for us?

      I don't.

      Agree, and speaks to the quality of manager he is, but he didn't do it alone and against the world. He was given the right players and environment to make it so, which is why your statement about him "working miracles" is a load of horseshit.

      You need talent to win and he has been given it in loads, or do you think he would have been able to have the same success if he still had Sakho, Leiva, Allen, Ibe, Woodburn etc? Now, taking that bag of crap and turning it into champions would have been a miracle
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      Re: POSTPONED: Man Utd v Liverpool - Premier League
      Reply #535: May 05, 2021 08:12:14 pm
      Jeeez...talk about taking a figure of speech a little too literally. It’s the boss’s side which he has honed and shaped according to his methods and he deserves an enormous amount of credit for putting it together and for keeping the train rolling on and on at such breathtaking speed and with such devastating effect. This culminated in record-breaking success in the previous two seasons.

      Great managers help turn average players into very good ones and very good ones into those who can fairly be described as world class. Overwhelmingly this is what the boss has done. True enough the train has a few missing passengers at the present time but before long they’ll be back on board before we start gathering apace for our next destination.
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      Re: POSTPONED: Man Utd v Liverpool - Premier League
      Reply #536: May 05, 2021 09:11:04 pm
      So United's 'punishment' for abandoning their fixture is that they get to play their reserves against Leicester, one of the teams that can and almost certainly will stop us getting top 4.

      And our 'reward' for United abandoning their fixture is that we now only get a couple of days rest and preparation for West Brom instead of a week's worth, while Fat Sam gets a week's worth of training his side on set pieces.

      F**k the f**king Premier League

      City would have lawyers all over this. Where are ours?

      In complete and utter contrast to the spirit of the people of Liverpool, Liverpool football club is a massive f**king doormat. Sh*t on it and it will apologise for getting in the way.
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      Reply #537: May 05, 2021 11:07:17 pm
      Can't believe what a pushover we have been to agree to reschedule this match at an inconvenience to ourselves and not Utd.

      We should be hitting out at Utd and demanding both punishment, and the automatic 3 points for us. Instead, we put out a pathetic woke statement that effectively supports the Utd fans for their despicable behaviour  :mad:
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      Reply #538: May 05, 2021 11:24:05 pm
      Feeling more confident that we can beat Utd, in the rescheduled fixture !
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      Reply #539: May 06, 2021 01:46:30 am

      We should be hitting out at Utd and demanding both punishment, and the automatic 3 points for us.

      Really?  Seems like whinging to me.  If we had a match postponed because of the actions of a handful of idiot fans, the rest of us would go berserk if they just gave the points to the other side. 
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      Reply #540: May 06, 2021 07:58:46 am
      Really?  Seems like whinging to me.  If we had a match postponed because of the actions of a handful of idiot fans, the rest of us would go berserk if they just gave the points to the other side. 

      It's the responsibility of the club to make sure that the stadium is safe and for whatever reason, the club could not. They should show that they could not, it's not clear. If the fans are protesting it's because ManUtd has not managed that properly. They should have a penalty. I don't say they should lose points, ut there should be a sanction.
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      Reply #541: May 06, 2021 09:00:23 am
      I would support any protest from United, Liverpool, City, Arsenal, Spurs, Chav if it helps get the snakes out at the top. With any protest you always get a minority there for one thing ( TROUBLE)  which is unfortunate.

      No condemnation from me what so ever, in fact it would be a tap on the back. Hopefully fans across the board will continue there goal to try and get the w@nkers out.
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      Reply #542: May 06, 2021 09:34:42 am
      Really?  Seems like whinging to me.  If we had a match postponed because of the actions of a handful of idiot fans, the rest of us would go berserk if they just gave the points to the other side.

      This was not a handful of idiots. This was their core fanbase. A large protest, and they are delighted in what they have achieved. Keith himself has said he praises the riot and abuse. Every club has idiot fans, but this is not an isolated incident of throwing a flare on the pitch, smashing a window, abusing a player etc. This was a planned riot by their supporter groups, and is widely praised and supported even in the aftermath.

      It's already been made very clear that this is driven purely by poor results and nothing moral about it at all.
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      Reply #543: May 06, 2021 09:36:40 am
      This was not a handful of idiots. This was their core fanbase. A large protest, and they are delighted in what they have achieved. Keith himself has said he praises the riot and abuse.

      It's already been made very clear that this is driven purely by poor results and nothing moral about it at all.

      If it's driven purely by poor results then why do it now when they are going a lot better than they have done in years?
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      Reply #544: May 06, 2021 09:39:49 am
      how many suitable people have £3 billion to spare . So whatever way you look at it £3billion is going out of the club into FSG that cannot be disputed.

      Can't it?

      I might be missing something but if someone buys the club for £3Billion, FSG get that money, but the club and it's assets, revenue streams etc are owned by the new party and for them they'd want to build on that to further increase their investment.

      Explain how £3Billion would go 'out of the club' as I can't quite get my head around that point?
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      Reply #545: May 06, 2021 09:45:41 am
      If it's driven purely by poor results then why do it now when they are going a lot better than they have done in years?

      He talks utter nonsense Higgy, pretty standard of him these days, Think I prefer having  Heimy back.  :lmao:
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      Reply #546: May 06, 2021 09:50:51 am
      If it's driven purely by poor results then why do it now when they are going a lot better than they have done in years?

      They've witnessed Liverpool winning the Premier League, and about to watch Man City take the title this season despite feeling entitled to win it themselves and thinking that they had a chance.

      The ESL news lit the match for them, and they picked up the opportunity, but the motivation is poor results.

      As the BBC have stated "It is no surprise the 'green and gold' anti-Glazer campaign began in 2010, when United were experiencing a dip after three successive Premier League titles, nor that it fizzled out when Ferguson got his team playing like champions again and reached another Champions League final."  :roll:

      What Utd fans want is to be rid of the Glazers, and get Man City v2 owners in to pump huge wads of cash into the club and buy the top players again.  ;D

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      Reply #547: May 06, 2021 10:11:15 am
      At least the Utd fans on RedCafe are crying about the fixtures and some now regretting the action taken to screw over the match.  :lmao:
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      Reply #548: May 06, 2021 11:35:51 am
      I would support any protest from United, Liverpool, City, Arsenal, Spurs, Chav if it helps get the snakes out at the top. With any protest you always get a minority there for one thing ( TROUBLE)  which is unfortunate.

      No condemnation from me what so ever, in fact it would be a tap on the back. Hopefully fans across the board will continue there goal to try and get the w@nkers out.


      Do you not condemn the actions that ended up with two people in hospital , flares and bottles thrown at people and did you see the abuse aimed at Carragher , Souness and of course the chanting


      What did any of that have to do with getting the owners out
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      Reply #549: May 06, 2021 11:38:15 am
      He talks utter nonsense Higgy, pretty standard of him these days, Think I prefer having  Heimy back.  :lmao:

      Was there not a planned protest to stop the team getting on the plane to Roma ? Or is it too risky because the Europa Lge is on the line ?


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