Trending Topics

      Next match: Norwich v LFC [Premier League] Sat 14th Aug @ 3:00 pm
      Carrow Road

      Today is the 19th of June and on this date LFC's match record is P0 W0 D0 L0

      LFC Reds Poll

      Q. LFC Man of the Match v MUFC?

      Alisson Becker
      0 (0%)
      Trent Alexander-Arnold
      68 (70.1%)
      Rhys Williams
      1 (1%)
      Nat Phillips
      3 (3.1%)
      Andy Robertson
      0 (0%)
       Fabinho
      0 (0%)
      Georginio Wijnaldum
      0 (0%)
      Thiago Alcantara
      4 (4.1%)
      Mohammed Salah
      2 (2.1%)
      Diogo Jota
      0 (0%)
      Roberto Firmino
      19 (19.6%)
      Sadio Mane
      0 (0%)
      Curtis Jones
      0 (0%)
      Neco Williams
      0 (0%)

      Total Members Voted: 97

      Voting closed: May 17, 2021 10:09:07 pm

      Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

      Read 6427 times
      0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
      stuey
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 34,327 posts | 3463 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #950: May 15, 2021 03:45:37 pm
      Surely Henderson’s ability both as a player and as a captain is not being dismissed again ?

      He has proven himself to be one of our best captains and a superb player


      As for Gerrard being a “superior captain” - not sure what is used as a barometer to judge. One of our best players


      Nobody is dismissing Henderson by any means whatever and I am not going to list the honours and attributes due to the player that make any dismissal a joke.

      The overall comments of any premise that the player has made a superior contribution to the club are negative and I'm sure Jordan himself would be uncomfortable with the suggestion.
      HamannsTheMan
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 2,694 posts | 1686 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #951: May 15, 2021 03:45:47 pm
      Very strange post. Like in the Ox thread, you seem to like rewriting the past.

      To say a lot of Reds never forgave Stevie is simply incorrect and to call what he did is blasphemy is just over the top.

      They're both great captains by the way, very different style but both very effective. Although I'd hedge my bets that Gerrard would be able to captain this current Liverpool side to trophies but I don't think Hendo could have captained the side Gerrard played in to any major trophies. That's not a dig at Hendo, more just a way of saying how much of a special player Stevie was.

      Gerrard also captained england in the golden generation - full of great players and leaders. If Henderson was in that squad he would have been a quiet mouse in the corner and certainly nowhere near the captaincy.

      He’s done well in the last few seasons Henderson and I’m not disputing how much of a good professional he is either. But he is nowhere near the level of Gerrard as a player or captain and thats just fact.

      A wum has come out with a bollocks statement and I’m gobsmacked a couple of reds have jumped on it. Short f**king memories.



      HamannsTheMan
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 2,694 posts | 1686 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #952: May 15, 2021 03:53:27 pm
      No such thing as blasphemy where I live. I live in a modern country where people are allowed to think for themselves. It's not the Middle Ages any more, burn the witch, all that sort of thing. Although we do seem to be heading back that way unfortunately.

      Gerrard's probably the best player I've seen in a red shirt and I'm a Red 50 years this month, in fact 50 years today, FA Cup Final '71 was the first day I can remember supporting LFC, so I'll not give one atom of a sh*te about younguns wailing and gnashing their teeth about what I can and can't say about MY FUCKING CLUB BEFORE IT WAS YOURS, thank you very much ladies and gentlemen  xxxxx:action-smiley-065:

      However, Stevie wasn't a great captain. Not a patch on Henderson. Stevie could raise his own game (1 person). Henderson raises the game of each and every one of his teammates game in game out (10 people). 10/1 = 10*. See I've even provided my workings.

      I'll leave the rumours about how there were effectively 2 dressing rooms during Stevie's time as captain: one for him and Carra and anyone they rated as worthy of playing in the same team as Stevie, such as Nando and Luis; and the other lads, who prevented Stevie from getting his precious little medals. I'm sure it's all written down in some autobiography somewhere, if it's true of course. Never believe a Liverpool cabbie, they say. Apparently sometimes they tell you stuff that might not actually be factual, which was a shock to me when I found out  :o

      "Eeerrr how can I leave after this?" wasn't exactly his finest moment though was it, face like a slapped arse minutes after winning Big Ears #5 is not what I expect from the captain of Liverpool Football Club. A lot of Reds never forgave him for that. That was blasphemy in my book.

      I didn't see Jordan Henderson looking miserable as f**k after lifting #6 because he was gonna have to change his mind on moving to play for his precious Mourinho  ???

      So, there you go, greatest LFC player in the last 50 years? Probably, depending on how you define 'greatest'. Good captain? Nah.

      That, as Rafa once said, is the facts.

      So you’re about 60 and you still don’t understand people talk sh*t in books to sell them?

      Could quote dozens and dozens of players and ex player who spoke highly of Gerrard and his leadership qualities.

      Our current captain is one of them and who learnt from him, you tit.
      Lallana in Pyjamas
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 2,756 posts | 1043 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #953: May 15, 2021 04:15:26 pm
      Nobody is dismissing Henderson by any means whatever and I am not going to list the honours and attributes due to the player that make any dismissal a joke.

      The overall comments of any premise that the player has made a superior contribution to the club are negative and I'm sure Jordan himself would be uncomfortable with the suggestion.

      I’m never a fan of “ranking” players when they have all played in differing eras and teams.


      Both will have their places within our history and both will be looked at positively - Gerrard was just superb from day one until the day he left both as a player and a captain - Henderson had to grow into both roles and matured into an outstanding player and captain for us.

      Most of the time Henderson’s biggest crime was - he wasn’t Gerrard , there is no doubt Gerrard was a better player - as captain - well that depends on what criteria is used , Gerrard led by ability , Henderson by example and leadership skills - it’s all down to which you prefer
      Lallana in Pyjamas
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 2,756 posts | 1043 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #954: May 15, 2021 04:19:37 pm
      Gerrard also captained england in the golden generation - full of great players and leaders. If Henderson was in that squad he would have been a quiet mouse in the corner and certainly nowhere near the captaincy.

      He’s done well in the last few seasons Henderson and I’m not disputing how much of a good professional he is either. But he is nowhere near the level of Gerrard as a player or captain and thats just fact.

      A wum has come out with a bollocks statement and I’m gobsmacked a couple of reds have jumped on it. Short f**king memories.


      It maybe factual that Gerrard was a better player but as captain will be down to opinion based
      bmck
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 7,154 posts | 1065 
      • YNWA
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #955: May 15, 2021 04:40:37 pm
      Surely Henderson’s ability both as a player and as a captain is not being dismissed again ?

      He has proven himself to be one of our best captains and a superb player

      As for Gerrard being a “superior captain” - not sure what is used as a barometer to judge. One of our best players


      Think there will always be people questioning Jordan, for whatever reason.
      Even though, when choosing a captain, Jürgen obviously rates him above VVD, Milly etc. - and will again next season.
      His teammates have huge respect for him - just a top man and a top player.
      I'm a massive fan of SG, but he's a different player to Hendo - what traits does a captain need to have - they have different strengths, different players round them, different mgrs. Both good captains though imho.
      bmck
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 7,154 posts | 1065 
      • YNWA
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #956: May 15, 2021 04:43:58 pm

      I'd agree, think Hendo is an excellent Captain - but 10 times better than SG!? Think you lost the room with that one :)
      bmck
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 7,154 posts | 1065 
      • YNWA
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #957: May 15, 2021 04:46:45 pm
      Loved Robbo's energy last night one occasion he was in their box we lost the ball but he sprinted back caught up with Rashford (?) tackled him  won the ball back and passed it


      Yea, it was Rashford, that was great :) sprints, catches him, slide tackles, wins the ball, beats a guy or two and lays it off, top player
      LondonRed83
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 13,821 posts | 2253 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #958: May 15, 2021 05:05:02 pm
      Watching the highlights again, it was lovely football for Rashford’s goal, however the finish was probably going wide but took a slight deflection off Robertson making the block - that’s our luck right now.

      Additionally, Firmino’s second was sublime, he hit the ball into the ground with precision to get the perfect connection, not as easy as it looked.
      GERNS
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 9,375 posts | 867 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #959: May 15, 2021 05:18:47 pm
      I never doubted SG. Top player, great captain, THEN.

      I doubted Hendo for a long time. But he’s turned my opinion of him with his performances.
      Top player, great captain NOW.
      waltonl4
      • Forum Legend - Shankly
      • ******

      • 28,820 posts | 4589 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #960: May 15, 2021 05:33:25 pm
      Erm.... f**king this f**king that... I’m not questioning Gerrard’s ability as a player, I’m asking is there a debate between the ex skipper & current on who is the better captain.. & what makes them the better captain..

      no there is no debate because if Stevie played in this team he would have won the title 6 or 7 times and won the CL another 3 or 4 times. I am a huge fan of Jordan but he isnt in the same class as Stevie who carried an entire club on his back for years. Its lk epeople have forgotten how many times he pulled us out the crap
      Benito
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 2,611 posts | 216 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #961: May 15, 2021 05:50:53 pm
      ^^^ This
      waltonl4
      • Forum Legend - Shankly
      • ******

      • 28,820 posts | 4589 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #962: May 15, 2021 06:03:20 pm
      Watching the highlights again, it was lovely football for Rashford’s goal, however the finish was probably going wide but took a slight deflection off Robertson making the block - that’s our luck right now.

      Additionally, Firmino’s second was sublime, he hit the ball into the ground with precision to get the perfect connection, not as easy as it looked.

      it seems the better we play the better Bobby performs. Only Bobby can do what he does keep him happy and let him do his stuff
      ruthcity
      • Forum Legend - Dalglish
      • *****

      • 5,179 posts | 917 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #963: May 15, 2021 06:07:19 pm
      no there is no debate because if Stevie played in this team he would have won the title 6 or 7 times and won the CL another 3 or 4 times. I am a huge fan of Jordan but he isnt in the same class as Stevie who carried an entire club on his back for years. Its lk epeople have forgotten how many times he pulled us out the crap

      There can be a debate but I think Stevie would trump Hendo in just about every aspect. And therefore the debate would likely be one way. If by that it means there's no debate, I'm totally with you.
      Keith Singleton
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 8,242 posts | 1286 
      • Sir Lewis Hamilton
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #964: May 15, 2021 06:28:51 pm
      There can be a debate but I think Stevie would trump Hendo in just about every aspect. And therefore the debate would likely be one way. If by that it means there's no debate, I'm totally with you.

      Totally correct Ruth we can debate as you rightly state. It's great to read different opinions. Bully's don't rein on this site which is always nice to see. 
      Lallana in Pyjamas
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 2,756 posts | 1043 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #965: May 15, 2021 06:33:18 pm
      no there is no debate because if Stevie played in this team he would have won the title 6 or 7 times and won the CL another 3 or 4 times. I am a huge fan of Jordan but he isnt in the same class as Stevie who carried an entire club on his back for years. Its lk epeople have forgotten how many times he pulled us out the crap


      I think that’s looking at the pair of them as players alone - Gerrards ability on the ball and on the pitch got us through so many games and pulled us out of the crap and Henderson just doesn’t have that ability on the ball to do that. There is no doubt that Gerrard would have thrived under Klopp and this team as a player


      As a captain and leader of the team ( taking their respective abilities on the ball out of it ) they are imo a lot closer in that respect - takes a special person to be the leader on the pitch with this current squad and Henderson has come into his own in that regard. Hence why they led the team differently but both effectively and both will go down as legends along with other captains of the club
      waltonl4
      • Forum Legend - Shankly
      • ******

      • 28,820 posts | 4589 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #966: May 15, 2021 07:51:42 pm
      Jeez its  hard work on here at times.. How many of the 2005 team would have gotten into the 2019 CL final team other than Stevie. Alison Becker or Dudek, Trent or Traore,  Baros or Mo it just does not compare he Captained Teams that were always 2or 3 players short time after time he dragged the club forward by sheer force of will I just can't believe its even come  up as a discussion holy crap what is going on.
      If you check out Jordans thread you will not find a bigger cheerleader than myself but please dont put him up against Stevie its just plain daft
      Lallana in Pyjamas
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 2,756 posts | 1043 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #967: May 15, 2021 08:08:09 pm
      Jeez its  hard work on here at times.. How many of the 2005 team would have gotten into the 2019 CL final team other than Stevie. Alison Becker or Dudek, Trent or Traore,  Baros or Mo it just does not compare he Captained Teams that were always 2or 3 players short time after time he dragged the club forward by sheer force of will I just can't believe its even come  up as a discussion holy crap what is going on.
      If you check out Jordans thread you will not find a bigger cheerleader than myself but please dont put him up against Stevie its just plain daft


      🤷‍♂️

      I’m not sure what point you are countering here
      Norfolk Red
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 723 posts | 241 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #968: May 15, 2021 08:21:36 pm

      🤷‍♂️

      I’m not sure what point you are countering here

      Quite easy really, when a someone comes out and says Hendo is 10 times the player Stevie was, there you go.
      Now before this turns into a back and forth saga, everyone is entitled to a opinion and some on here might think Hendo is a better player than Stevie which is fair enough,  I personally do not but what pissed a lot of people off is said person coming out with the 10 times better bit.
      Just my opinion like.
      rossyred
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 4,712 posts | 774 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #969: May 15, 2021 08:27:47 pm
      Quite easy really, when a someone comes out and says Hendo is 10 times the player Stevie was, there you go.
      Now before this turns into a back and forth saga, everyone is entitled to a opinion and some on here might think Hendo is a better player than Stevie which is fair enough,  I personally do not but what pissed a lot of people off is said person coming out with the 10 times better bit.
      Just my opinion like.

      You think people thinking Hendo better player than  SG is fair enough ???
      Norfolk Red
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 723 posts | 241 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #970: May 15, 2021 08:30:01 pm
      You think people thinking Hendo better player than  SG is fair enough ???

      If that is what they think fella fair enough, like I said I do not it's all about opinions.
      rossyred
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 4,712 posts | 774 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #971: May 15, 2021 08:31:01 pm
      If that is what they think fella fair enough, like I said I do not it's all about opinions.

      Not sure anybody in the right mind would suggest but hey crack on
      Lallana in Pyjamas
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 2,756 posts | 1043 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #972: May 15, 2021 08:50:37 pm
      Quite easy really, when a someone comes out and says Hendo is 10 times the player Stevie was, there you go.
      Now before this turns into a back and forth saga, everyone is entitled to a opinion and some on here might think Hendo is a better player than Stevie which is fair enough,  I personally do not but what pissed a lot of people off is said person coming out with the 10 times better bit.
      Just my opinion like.


      Sorry I missed where someone said Hendo is ten times the player Gerrard was ?!? 😲🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️


      It looked like it was in response to my post 👍
      FATKOPITE10
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 12,567 posts | 2627 
      • Liverpool fc give me tourettes
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #973: May 15, 2021 08:53:05 pm
      In terms of ability Stevie will always be a better player but in terms of influence hendo in his own way is as influential as Stevie was. We should accept that we have been blessed with some fantastic leaders on the pitch over the years without the need for a pissing contest over who is best etc.
      rossyred
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 4,712 posts | 774 
      Re: Manchester United 2-4 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #974: May 15, 2021 08:55:09 pm
      In terms of ability Stevie will always be a better player but in terms of influence hendo in his own way is as influential as Stevie was. We should accept that we have been blessed with some fantastic leaders on the pitch over the years without the need for a pissing contest over who is best etc.

      Isn't that what I have pointed out never even mentioned  captaincy  ???

      Quick Reply