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      West Bromwich Albion 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: West Bromwich Albion 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #750: May 17, 2021 07:18:17 pm
      Exactly .Would be screaming blue murder if against them

      No because I actually understand the rule and why it's there. I guess you don't.
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      Re: West Bromwich Albion 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #751: May 17, 2021 07:54:58 pm
      Var has ruined the celebration of a lot of goals, but only 1 person involved yesterday didnt react because they thought var.?

      Even tyler lost his sh*t that says it all.

      Fair play making excuses for him but I suspect your wrong on this one, but only one man knows for sure and hell likely never say

      Id hooe he had his var cap on and not a moody

      What the f**k are we talking about here? Just reads like nonsense.

      Let’s enjoy the win!
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      Reply #752: May 17, 2021 08:16:15 pm
      No because I actually understand the rule and why it's there. I guess you don't.

      Understand it fully and if it impedes a goalkeeper from stopping the ball then fine but in this case it didn't and as I said if that player wasn't there would have no bearing on the goal
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      Reply #753: May 17, 2021 08:21:45 pm
      We’ve witnessed some incredible last minute/injury time winners over the years,
      Origi - Everton last season
      Lovren - Dortmund Europa League
      Mane - Away at Villa last season
      Lallana - Away at Norwich in the 5-4 win
      Stevie G - Olympiacos at Anfield.

      I’m sure there’s a few more you will remind me of, but that goal yesterday from Alisson simply left me stunned.
      When it hit the net I just couldn’t believe it.
      Alissons interview at the end was so emotional there were tears running down my cheeks just watching it. :'(

      As for the game itself….
      Typical Fat Sam tactics all day long.
      We have struggled this season to break down those “lesser” teams who sit back unlike the top end teams who will give it a go in open play.
      Thought Thiago was superb.

      Oh, I’ve just remembered my all time favourite last minute goal from a Liverpool player…..
      David Fairclough as super sub taking on the entire Everton team in the 88th minute at Anfield in 1976… check it out on YouTube  ;)
      He picked the ball up on the half way line and just ran along the wing and into the Annie road end box weaving his way through the Everton defence to smash it home sending 50,000 reds into dreamland !!

      UP THE FUCKIN REDS !!

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      Reply #754: May 17, 2021 08:23:37 pm
      Think Faircloughs goal against St Ettine must be up there too
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      Reply #755: May 17, 2021 08:24:42 pm
      Understand it fully and if it impedes a goalkeeper from stopping the ball then fine but in this case it didn't and as I said if that player wasn't there would have no bearing on the goal

      But these types of rules simply have to be black and white, there can't be room for interpretation or the grey areas just become an argument on any type of offside like this

      He was offside and stood right in front of the keeper therefore it has to be given offside

      Ive seen Ali make some unbelievable saves in his time here, if he had been able to see the first header and direction it was going his movement would have taken him the way the ball went

      I'm.not saying he would have saved it because we don't know but there can't be room for grey areas in these and leaving it to guess work
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      Reply #756: May 17, 2021 08:28:40 pm
      But these types of rules simply have to be black and white, there can't be room for interpretation or the grey areas just become an argument on any type of offside like this

      He was offside and stood right in front of the keeper therefore it has to be given offside

      Ive seen Ali make some unbelievable saves in his time here, if he had been able to see the first header and direction it was going his movement would have taken him the way the ball went

      I'm.not saying he would have saved it because we don't know but there can't be room for grey areas in these and leaving it to guess work

      Halsey says it is open to interpretation though and says he thought he wasn't interfering.  If the linesman hadn't given it  VAR only didn't rule it legit because wasn't clear and obvious , if liner hadn't flagged would of come down to interpretation  from them so I guess there is grey area
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      Reply #757: May 17, 2021 08:29:07 pm


      Oh, I’ve just remembered my all time favourite last minute goal from a Liverpool player…..
      David Fairclough as super sub taking on the entire Everton team in the 88th minute at Anfield in 1976… check it out on YouTube  ;)
      He picked the ball up on the half way line and just ran along the wing and into the Annie road end box weaving his way through the Everton defence to smash it home sending 50,000 reds into dreamland !!

      UP THE FUCKIN REDS !!


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      Wasn't that just after the goal he got against St Ettiene
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      Reply #758: May 17, 2021 08:31:40 pm
      Halsey says it is open to interpretation though and says he thought he wasn't interfering.  If the linesman hadn't given it  VAR only didn't rule it legit because wasn't clear and obvious , if liner hadn't flagged would of come down to interpretation  from them so I guess there is grey area

      But the linesman saw the man in the offside position   (not the one who scored) and gave it because he was clearly offside

      The only one guessing it seems is Halsey
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      Reply #759: May 17, 2021 08:42:47 pm
      But the linesman saw the man in the offside position   (not the one who scored) and gave it because he was clearly offside

      The only one guessing it seems is Halsey

      Linesman saw he was offside but are you seriously saying from a side on view he is impeding the keepers view Jesus wept
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      Re: West Bromwich Albion 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #760: May 17, 2021 08:44:16 pm

      Wasn't that just after the goal he got against St Ettiene


      No mate, he scored that goal in the derby in the April of 76.
      The St Etienne goal was a year later in the March en route to Rome !!
      Gerald Sinstadt commentating on both made it even extra special… ;D
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      Re: West Bromwich Albion 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #761: May 17, 2021 08:44:48 pm
      Linesman saw he was offside but are you seriously saying from a side on view he is impeding the keepers view Jesus wept

      No I don't believe I did

      But he was two yards offside in the middle of the six yard box. So he gave him offside
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      Reply #762: May 17, 2021 08:46:56 pm
      No I don't believe I did

      But he was two yards offside in the middle of the six yard box. So he gave him offside

      So it is open to interpretation then clearly some like you think he impeded and stopped Ali others think he didn't so in my eyes that's a grey area
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      Reply #763: May 17, 2021 08:49:33 pm
      Understand it fully and if it impedes a goalkeeper from stopping the ball then fine but in this case it didn't and as I said if that player wasn't there would have no bearing on the goal

      This is so simple a child could understand it....

      According to Law 11.2 of the 2019/20 Laws of the Game, a player will be penalized if they are in an offside position and are interfering with an opponent by “preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent's line of vision

      The player literally was standing directly between Allison and the ball when played.
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      Reply #764: May 17, 2021 08:50:30 pm
      So it is open to interpretation then clearly some like you think he impeded and stopped Ali others think he didn't so in my eyes that's a grey area

      In your eyes yes, but not in the rules

      Mate, I said earlier that when I first saw it I felt we got away with one but in the rules there simply can't be grey areas in these types of decisions

      I agree with the point made earlier that if its not given then teams will try it on from these situations and hope that they get away with it, so you can't allow that and it's simply offside for obstructing the keepers vision. I'm afraid it has to be, there are rules we don't like but rules are there amd this is simple, and yes I'd feel a little hard done by if it was us like I felt we got away with one yesterday but ultimately I'd accept it as its a clear and correct  rule
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      Reply #765: May 17, 2021 08:56:14 pm
      In your eyes yes, but not in the rules

      Mate, I said earlier that when I first saw it I felt we got away with one but in the rules there simply can't be grey areas in these types of decisions

      I agree with the point made earlier that if its not given then teams will try it on from these situations and hope that they get away with it, so you can't allow that and it's simply offside for obstructing the keepers vision. I'm afraid it has to be, there are rules we don't like but rules are there amd this is simple, and yes I'd feel a little hard done by if it was us like I felt we got away with one yesterday but ultimately I'd accept it as its a clear and correct  rule

      Not just in my eyes though is it an ex referee and explayers have said he wasn't interfeering so the rule clearly has grey areas I am afraid
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      Reply #766: May 17, 2021 08:57:48 pm
      Not just in my eyes though is it an ex referee and explayers have said he wasn't interfeering so the rule clearly has grey areas I am afraid

      Problem with ex refs and ex players is they simply think about the game and rules at the point they played or reffed

      So they're wrong by the letter of the modern laws

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      Reply #767: May 17, 2021 09:04:20 pm
      Watched Ali's goal again loads of times today, still brilliant to watch, what a way to win a game, the highlight of the season so far imho :)
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      Reply #768: May 17, 2021 09:18:29 pm
      This is so simple a child could understand it....

      According to Law 11.2 of the 2019/20 Laws of the Game, a player will be penalized if they are in an offside position and are interfering with an opponent by “preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent's line of vision

      The player literally was standing directly between Allison and the ball when played.
      I understand the rule you welk I don't agree with it and that that player stopped Ali from saving it
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      Reply #769: May 17, 2021 09:22:45 pm
      It's a great rule, this interfering with the keeper's line of sight, should help prevent shithouse teams molesting the goalkeeper, but can anyone ever remember a decision like this being made before? I can't, but I only watch our games, nobody else's.

      There's no doubt in my mind it's the right decision, having seen what people have posted, but I can't ever remember seeing a ref giving it in another game, and I can see from googling it that "line of vision" has been in the offside rules since 2012 or before then.

      For me the dodgy decisions evened themselves out. We shouldn't have had a free that we scored from, but neither should they. Not surprisingly MOTD only concentrated on the dodgy decisions in our favour. They ignored the non-foul committed by Thiago. Usual BBC Manchester of the Day anti-LFC narrative.

      The question is not whether Mike Dean was right (he was) to rule out their goal on "line of sight" but why other refs don't seem to apply this rule. In a game in which Mike Dean got so many decisions wrong, weirdly he seems to have shone a light on the incompetence of his fellow refs.
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      Reply #770: May 17, 2021 09:26:22 pm
      I understand the rule you welk I don't agree with it and that that player stopped Ali from saving it
      Your an annoying turd aren’t you? Going to extreme lengths to defend your opinion when as a red you shouldn’t be really giving a f**k whether it was the right call or not given we got the points and the number of times we’ve been cheated on by Var this season.

      Seriously get a grip.
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      Reply #771: May 17, 2021 09:27:39 pm
      It's a great rule, this interfering with the keeper's line of sight, should help prevent shithouse teams molesting the goalkeeper, but can anyone ever remember a decision like this being made before? I can't, but I only watch our games, nobody else's.

      There's no doubt in my mind it's the right decision, having seen what people have posted, but I can't ever remember seeing a ref giving it in another game, and I can see from googling it that "line of vision" has been in the offside rules since 2012 or before then.

      For me the dodgy decisions evened themselves out. We shouldn't have had a free that we scored from, but neither should they. Not surprisingly MOTD only concentrated on the dodgy decisions in our favour. They ignored the non-foul committed by Thiago. Usual BBC Manchester of the Day anti-LFC narrative.

      The question is not whether Mike Dean was right (he was) to rule out their goal on "line of sight" but why other refs don't seem to apply this rule. In a game in which Mike Dean got so many decisions wrong, weirdly he seems to have shone a light on the incompetence of his fellow refs.

      Was it Mike Dean or the linesman and VAR ? Not doubting you but missed whether he discussed with linesman and did Dean agree in line of sight ?
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      Reply #772: May 17, 2021 09:31:35 pm
      Your an annoying turd aren’t you? Going to extreme lengths to defend your opinion when as a red you shouldn’t be really giving a f**k whether it was the right call or not given we got the points and the number of times we’ve been cheated on by Var this season.

      Seriously get a grip.

      Go back to the count to a million thread you gimp
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      Reply #773: May 17, 2021 09:32:56 pm
      Was it Mike Dean or the linesman and VAR ? Not doubting you but missed whether he discussed with linesman and did Dean agree in line of sight ?


      oh dunno, I just said Dean, I guess I meant the match officials as a team but presumably Dean had the last say

      Don't think the line of sight is a grey area, it clearly was an issue but it requires a group decision doesn't it, the linesman has to flag offside from his angle and then some other official (on the pitch or VAR) has to see the line of sight issue from an angle at kind of 90 degrees to the linesman's angle, so it's a team effort and a two-stage process

      I guess it's impossible to give it without the aid of VAR which is why it seems like a new rule even though it's been around for over 10 years.
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      Re: West Bromwich Albion 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #774: May 17, 2021 09:55:14 pm
      Not just in my eyes though is it an ex referee and explayers have said he wasn't interfeering so the rule clearly has grey areas I am afraid

      don't be a dick Ali had to shove out of the way to start off plus he was offside. 

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