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      Summer Transfer Window Ins/Outs

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      Re: Summer Transfer Window Ins/Outs
      Reply #125: May 31, 2021 10:17:33 am
      Ref Jurgens ‘jealous guardianship of team chemistry’  I don’t think Mbappe would disrupt that, in fact I think he’d fit in well. Unlike Neymar or Haaland.
      Only my opinion of course, but I really do think Klopp has eyes on Mbappe.
      Wow, what a front line we’d have to pick from with the four we have plus Mbappe. Things dreams are made of 😊

      I think it would wreck the wage structure even if it could be done which I don’t think for a second we have the funds but even if we did the wage structure and then potentially therefore team unity and happiness would be affected

      If he came in on what his likely demands would be, then other players would want to be on similar parity. Can’t imagine our best players (certainly their agents ) being happy that someone comes in on somewhere in the region of 100k plus more than them

      There was a story going around about Trents and Robbos wages, now obviously they wouldn’t want a hike to Mbappes level but they certainly would want cashing in to somewhat parity, that alone could add £5m a year to the wage bill plus the £15m a year for Mbappe and that not thinking what the likes of Salah, Mane Virgil et al would want in their up coming contract talks

      The wage structure would be shattered with one signing

      If Mbappe isn’t here then the club could talk to the likes of Salah and honestly stand there and say they would give him a 30-50k wage increase and that by that they’re making him the clubs top earner
      If you add Mbappe to the mix then to get him near the top earner at the club you’d have to add 100-120k to his wages or 5-6m a year

      It’s fantasy, and one that we can’t get near

      Transfer fee. No
      His wage. No
      The effect to other players wage demands. No
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      Re: Summer Transfer Window Ins/Outs
      Reply #126: May 31, 2021 12:08:58 pm
      Have we not learned from the David Villa, David Silva and many more threads over the years?

      We'll have another 10 pages on how Klopp will fit Mbappe in the team, what his wages will be like, what number he'll wear and where he'll live.

      We had one fit centre back at the club and when he got injured we signed Kabak and Ben Davies from Preston who's never played. What makes any of you think those same buyers will now go and sign Kyllian M f**king Bappe?

      Speaking of Ben Davies, he's on £60k a week!

      That's more than Trent and Robbo. Who the f**k signed this guy?
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      Reply #127: May 31, 2021 12:16:27 pm
      I think it would wreck the wage structure even if it could be done which I don’t think for a second we have the funds but even if we did the wage structure and then potentially therefore team unity and happiness would be affected

      If he came in on what his likely demands would be, then other players would want to be on similar parity. Can’t imagine our best players (certainly their agents ) being happy that someone comes in on somewhere in the region of 100k plus more than them

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      It’s fantasy, and one that we can’t get near

      Transfer fee. No
      His wage. No
      The effect to other players wage demands. No


      We could sign him on a Bosman (next summer), absolutely possible. We certainly couldn't sign him in the next 5 years if he agrees an extension with PSG in the next few weeks.

      We could afford his wages if there's no transfer fee to pay, even if he asked for £500k a week. Sure he'd earn £100m over 4 years but paying £100m to get a player that must be worth £200m makes sense.

      As for the other players, they know full well they don't live in a communist state and all get equal wages. If Mbappé's on £500k a week it's because the club think he's worth it. It's tough sh*t if they're only on £80k. That's football.

      Do I think we'll sign him - no.
      Is it an impossible dream - no.

      If any of the players didn't like it, there's the door. We'd only need 2 players anyway. Alisson saves, gathers the ball, boots it upfield to Mbappé who no look volleys it into the net from the halfway line while doing a cartwheel. Rinse and repeat. Who needs a defence and a midfield.

      He seems like a real grounded kid to me. Not convinced he's got any affection for PSG or that bellend he has to play up front with. Would all depend on whether he wants to play in a competitive league or just take another easy option and nip off to Spain for the easy life of La liga.

      La Liga does seem to attract the absolute top players in general though. For all the billions of pounds sloshing around the Premier League, we no longer seem to be able to attract the rockstar level of player that Chelsea were signing 20 years ago: Gullit, Desailly, Vialli et al. You wonder just how much money Abramovitch must have chucked at those players to get them to sign for Chelsea. It must have been monumental amounts of cash, even well beyond what Manchester City are chucking about these days.
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      Re: Summer Transfer Window Ins/Outs
      Reply #128: May 31, 2021 12:23:51 pm
      Have we not learned from the David Villa, David Silva and many more threads over the years?

      We'll have another 10 pages on how Klopp will fit Mbappe in the team, what his wages will be like, what number he'll wear and where he'll live.

      We had one fit centre back at the club and when he got injured we signed Kabak and Ben Davies from Preston who's never played. What makes any of you think those same buyers will now go and sign Kyllian M f**king Bappe?

      Speaking of Ben Davies, he's on £60k a week!

      That's more than Trent and Robbo. Who the f**k signed this guy?

      I very much doubt Ben Davies is on that much
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      Re: Summer Transfer Window Ins/Outs
      Reply #129: May 31, 2021 12:48:05 pm
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      Reply #130: May 31, 2021 12:50:00 pm

      We could sign him on a Bosman (next summer), absolutely possible. We certainly couldn't sign him in the next 5 years if he agrees an extension with PSG in the next few weeks.

      We could afford his wages if there's no transfer fee to pay, even if he asked for £500k a week. Sure he'd earn £100m over 4 years but paying £100m to get a player that must be worth £200m makes sense.

      As for the other players, they know full well they don't live in a communist state and all get equal wages. If Mbappé's on £500k a week it's because the club think he's worth it. It's tough sh*t if they're only on £80k. That's football.

      Do I think we'll sign him - no.
      Is it an impossible dream - no.

      If any of the players didn't like it, there's the door. We'd only need 2 players anyway. Alisson saves, gathers the ball, boots it upfield to Mbappé who no look volleys it into the net from the halfway line while doing a cartwheel. Rinse and repeat. Who needs a defence and a midfield.

      He seems like a real grounded kid to me. Not convinced he's got any affection for PSG or that bellend he has to play up front with. Would all depend on whether he wants to play in a competitive league or just take another easy option and nip off to Spain for the easy life of La liga.

      La Liga does seem to attract the absolute top players in general though. For all the billions of pounds sloshing around the Premier League, we no longer seem to be able to attract the rockstar level of player that Chelsea were signing 20 years ago: Gullit, Desailly, Vialli et al. You wonder just how much money Abramovitch must have chucked at those players to get them to sign for Chelsea. It must have been monumental amounts of cash, even well beyond what Manchester City are chucking about these days.

      He didn't own the club when those players signed
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      Reply #131: May 31, 2021 01:01:08 pm
      He didn't own the club when those players signed

      Ken Bates owned Chelsea at that point. RA took Chelsea over in 2003 I think didn’t he?
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      Reply #132: May 31, 2021 01:56:17 pm
      The club won’t be spending over a £100mil on Mbappe - we just aren’t the club that will look to do that.


      As for Ben Davies


      https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/05/29/report-what-liverpool-defender-ben-davies-has-been-told/%3famp
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      Re: Summer Transfer Window Ins/Outs
      Reply #133: May 31, 2021 02:37:19 pm
      Ref Jurgens ‘jealous guardianship of team chemistry’  I don’t think Mbappe would disrupt that, in fact I think he’d fit in well. Unlike Neymar or Haaland.
      Only my opinion of course, but I really do think Klopp has eyes on Mbappe.
      Wow, what a front line we’d have to pick from with the four we have plus Mbappe. Things dreams are made of 😊

      When I say that I don't mean that Mbappe's is a bad apple. I don't have any idea what he is like as part of a group. I was thinking more of the wage structure and the idea that he would automatically displace someone in the starting XI, that sort of thing. None of that is a reason to NOT sign someone on their own, but it would be a factor in making a decision to buy.

      I don't expect it to happen, but yeah, this player is exceptional.
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      Reply #134: May 31, 2021 02:40:41 pm
      When I say that I don't mean that Mbappe's is a bad apple. I don't have any idea what he is like as part of a group. I was thinking more of the wage structure and the idea that he would automatically displace someone in the starting XI, that sort of thing. None of that is a reason to NOT sign someone on their own, but it would be a factor in making a decision to buy.

      I don't expect it to happen, but yeah, this player is exceptional.

      In the unlikely event Mbappe were to come, it’s pretty clear one of Mane or Salah have to go to make room in the starting lineup. None of those 3 players will be willing to take a diminished role and go from starting players to rotating one.
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      Reply #135: May 31, 2021 02:58:45 pm
      There is literally no chance of us getting a Haaland or Mbappe. Did anyone seriously think it could happen?
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      Reply #136: May 31, 2021 03:35:28 pm
      There is literally no chance of us getting a Haaland or Mbappe. Did anyone seriously think it could happen?

      As I said, a pleasant fantasy.

      When I was young I was much better at fantasizing about impossible things, but now that I'm older and weathered with the harsh realities of Planet Earth, even when I try to daydream I get interrupted with this loud internal voice booming "THIS will never happen." A real buzzkill that.  ;D
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      Reply #137: May 31, 2021 05:44:47 pm
      I think it would wreck the wage structure even if it could be done which I don’t think for a second we have the funds but even if we did the wage structure and then potentially therefore team unity and happiness would be affected

      If he came in on what his likely demands would be, then other players would want to be on similar parity. Can’t imagine our best players (certainly their agents ) being happy that someone comes in on somewhere in the region of 100k plus more than them

      There was a story going around about Trents and Robbos wages, now obviously they wouldn’t want a hike to Mbappes level but they certainly would want cashing in to somewhat parity, that alone could add £5m a year to the wage bill plus the £15m a year for Mbappe and that not thinking what the likes of Salah, Mane Virgil et al would want in their up coming contract talks

      The wage structure would be shattered with one signing

      If Mbappe isn’t here then the club could talk to the likes of Salah and honestly stand there and say they would give him a 30-50k wage increase and that by that they’re making him the clubs top earner
      If you add Mbappe to the mix then to get him near the top earner at the club you’d have to add 100-120k to his wages or 5-6m a year

      It’s fantasy, and one that we can’t get near

      Transfer fee. No
      His wage. No
      The effect to other players wage demands. No

      Never understood this….Salah already makes boatloads more than many of our players. Do they resent him? Are they asking to be on his wages? Does Trent ask for a raise to be equal to Salah because he provides assists for a lot of his goals?

      These guys know what’s up. Not everyone makes the same amount and there are valid reasons for it. If Andy Robertson wants to be paid the same as the top earner in his team, he won’t be on a very good team unfortunately.

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      Reply #138: May 31, 2021 06:51:53 pm
      Never understood this….Salah already makes boatloads more than many of our players. Do they resent him? Are they asking to be on his wages? Does Trent ask for a raise to be equal to Salah because he provides assists for a lot of his goals?

      These guys know what’s up. Not everyone makes the same amount and there are valid reasons for it. If Andy Robertson wants to be paid the same as the top earner in his team, he won’t be on a very good team unfortunately.

      I didn’t say Trent or Robbo would want to be top earner 🤷‍♂️

      But it’s likely our top earners agents would be in their players ears saying that now they earn 100k or whatever less than the top earner and I’d almost guarantee that they would want parity

      Whether you understand it or not

      There’s talk Salah is looking at a new deal now, Virgil and Ali too, you don’t surely think they’ll sign that for the same money? No matter how you think they earn now, they know their value and standing and won’t won’t to be so far off of the top earner if an Mbappe came in and signed a 300k or whatever

      It’s the real world sorry
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      Reply #139: May 31, 2021 08:26:50 pm
      I didn’t say Trent or Robbo would want to be top earner 🤷‍♂️

      But it’s likely our top earners agents would be in their players ears saying that now they earn 100k or whatever less than the top earner and I’d almost guarantee that they would want parity

      Whether you understand it or not

      There’s talk Salah is looking at a new deal now, Virgil and Ali too, you don’t surely think they’ll sign that for the same money? No matter how you think they earn now, they know their value and standing and won’t won’t to be so far off of the top earner if an Mbappe came in and signed a 300k or whatever

      It’s the real world sorry

      If they know their value and standing, then they'd be silly to think they should be getting paid what an Mbappe should be paid.

      So if we were somehow able to sign Messi on a free we shouldn't do it because of the salary disparity that it would cause? Nah...that's not how things work.
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      Reply #140: May 31, 2021 09:55:26 pm
      If they know their value and standing, then they'd be silly to think they should be getting paid what an Mbappe should be paid.

      So if we were somehow able to sign Messi on a free we shouldn't do it because of the salary disparity that it would cause? Nah...that's not how things work.

      I think you’ll find it is, depending on the level and the who

      Do you really not think if Mbappe came in then Salah, having what he has done in recent years at the club, it being his last big contract, his standing in the game that he wouldn’t ask for parity

      Then you’re naive

      I’m not talking all players asking for the same wage I’m talking the best players

      Then the knock on is all the way down. And that could cost millions a year being added to the wage bill

      Again, just in case you’re a bit simple, I’m not saying every player asking for 300k here

      There is a reason we don’t sign that type of player, because it doesn’t fit our structure. We build them up through the scales, not drop them in at the top of a scale, let alone higher than our scale
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      Reply #141: Jun 01, 2021 02:53:40 am
      I think you’ll find it is, depending on the level and the who

      Do you really not think if Mbappe came in then Salah, having what he has done in recent years at the club, it being his last big contract, his standing in the game that he wouldn’t ask for parity

      Then you’re naive

      I’m not talking all players asking for the same wage I’m talking the best players

      Then the knock on is all the way down. And that could cost millions a year being added to the wage bill

      Again, just in case you’re a bit simple, I’m not saying every player asking for 300k here

      There is a reason we don’t sign that type of player, because it doesn’t fit our structure. We build them up through the scales, not drop them in at the top of a scale, let alone higher than our scale

      You can knock off the childish little insults fella. You have your opinion and that’s fine, I’m telling you that I don’t agree. We can agree to disagree without acting like little bitches eh?
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      Reply #142: Jun 08, 2021 12:12:35 pm
      There is literally no chance of us getting a Haaland or Mbappe. Did anyone seriously think it could happen?

      exactly.

      Its like was mentioned somewhere else, salah or mane would have to be sold for silly money to even consider one of them, and at their minute & dont see those players wanting to leave or indeed klopp wanting to sell. This time next season might be a different story though. I have a sneaky that next season could be the last together for our front 3.
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      Reply #143: Jun 08, 2021 03:58:31 pm
      Quote from AlwaysTheKop
      Good to see early business being done, now a  veteran GK for backup too and you won’t get any complaints from me.

      We already have one. He's hitting his mid thirties now.

      If anything, we probably have too many keepers on the books, all vying for the coveted No. 2 slot. But it looks like one, possibly both Kelleher and San Miguel could be out of here by the end of August. I would happily let anyone else go, if they can't be trusted to play 3-4 games in a row without breaking down.

      As regards Mbappé, it's a non starter. If we want more pace, Traore from Wolves would be more realistic.
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      Reply #144: Jun 08, 2021 05:19:56 pm
      We already have one. He's hitting his mid thirties now.

      If anything, we probably have too many keepers on the books, all vying for the coveted No. 2 slot. But it looks like one, possibly both Kelleher and San Miguel could be out of here by the end of August. I would happily let anyone else go, if they can't be trusted to play 3-4 games in a row without breaking down.

      As regards Mbappé, it's a non starter. If we want more pace, Traore from Wolves would be more realistic.

      Traore is overrated because he's a speed merchant.
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      Reply #145: Jun 08, 2021 06:17:05 pm
      I very much doubt Ben Davies is on that much

      2021 Active Roster
      Thiago                 30       £10,400,000   £200,000
      Mohamed Salah   F   28       £10,400,000   £200,000
      Roberto Firmino   F   29       £9,360,000   £180,000
      Virgil Van Dijk   D   29       £9,360,000   £180,000
      Alisson Becker   GK   28       £7,800,000   £150,000
      Jordan Henderson   30       £7,280,000   £140,000
      James Milner   M   35       £7,280,000   £140,000
      Naby Keita   M   26       £6,240,000   £120,000
      Alex Oxlade-C   M   27       £6,240,000   £120,000
      Sadio Mane   F   29       £5,200,000   £100,000
      Joel Matip   D           29            £5,200,000   £100,000
      Fabinho Tavares   M   27       £5,200,000   £100,000
      Diogo Jota   F          24       £4,700,000   £90,385
      Xherdan Shaqiri   M   29       £4,160,000   £80,000
      Trent Alexand   D   22       £3,900,000   £75,000
      Joe Gomez   D   24       £3,900,000   £75,000
      Takumi Minamino   26       £3,900,000   £75,000
      Ben Davies   D   25       £3,120,000   £60,000
      Divock Origi   F   26       £3,120,000   £60,000
      Tsimikas          D      25       £3,120,000   £60,000
      Robbo          D   27       £2,600,000   £50,000
      Adrian San    GK   34       £2,600,000   £50,000
      Neco Williams   D   20       £1,300,000   £25,000
      Kelleher   GK           22       £800,000           £15,385
      Ben Woodburn   M   21       £624,000     £12,000
      Curtis Jones   M   20       £390,000     £7,500 /possibly £15,000
      Kamil Grabara   GK   22       £260,000           £5,000
      Taiwo Awoniyi   F   23       -   -

      I checked a few sites this looked about right bar one or two

      It said Harvey went from £145 a week to £7,500 recently , Robbo was a shock TBH but it's all getting reviewed in the near future as to what is anyone's guess, I did think the guy coming in for covering Robbo earning more was weird but its at the time I suppose
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      Re: Summer Transfer Window Ins/Outs
      Reply #146: Jun 08, 2021 06:31:59 pm
      Traore is overrated because he's a speed merchant.

      Agreed. Pace catches the eye and is apt to deceive; Djibril Cissé is the paradigm example. Traore is a beast physically but I’m not sure he’s a particularly complete footballer when you look beyond his speed and crossing ability.

      You can have all the pace and physical attributes you like but it takes a good deal more in the way of guile, subtlety and footballing intelligence to make it at the very highest level — qualities Jota has to the required degree but which I think his former teammate lacks.
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      Reply #147: Jun 11, 2021 08:05:51 am
      If everyone is fully fit and available I would play:

                                       Alisson
      Trent              Konate             VVD            Robertson
                                      Fabinho
                          Henderson      Thiago
      Jota                                                          Mane
                                        Salah

      I would convert Salah as our 9.

      Subs: Kelleher, Gomez,Tsimikas, Phillips, Jones, Firmino, AOC.
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      Re: Summer Transfer Window Ins/Outs
      Reply #148: Jun 11, 2021 11:52:25 am
      I'd like us to try get Depay.

      Not a fan of the rapping stuff but he can play across the front and would give us a major option.

      Possibly take Firminos place
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      Reply #149: Jun 15, 2021 06:36:31 am
      I'd like us to try get Depay.

      Not a fan of the rapping stuff but he can play across the front and would give us a major option.

      Possibly take Firminos place

      With a point to prove having played with the Scum.

      If he is after a huge payroll more than 110,000 he's greedy.

      Good option.

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