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      First Team Squad 21/22

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      Richard88
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #175: Sep 22, 2021 04:17:07 pm
      Thought Bissouma is more of a DM like Fab?

      And would def like to see more of Morton. He turns 19 in October so def old enough to start crafting himself a spot on the team.
      Bissouma can play both the DM position and the No.8. He wouldn't take Fabinho's spot though so I would envisage that most of his appearances would come in Wijnaldum's No.8 position, ideally with a more attacking No.8 next to him (eg. Elliott, Thiago, Jones).

      As for Morton, I didn't realise he was turning 19 so soon. Definitely the right age to get himself into the first team squad more frequently. Looking at his transfermarkt page he seems to have a knack for scoring a goal in a big game, as 5 of his goals at u23 level last season came against Man City, Everton, Spurs, Man United, and Chelsea. (https://www.transfermarkt.com/tyler-morton/leistungsdaten/spieler/618494/plus/0?saison=2020)

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      Reply #176: Sep 22, 2021 04:24:42 pm
      On tonight's evidence Morton looks like he should be in the first team squad proper. Would like to see him start the next League Cup game regardless of who we get drawn against.



      Was basically running the midfield from the minute he came on. Few tasty challenges as well.

      Looks a brilliant prospect
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      Reply #177: Sep 22, 2021 04:56:51 pm
      Was basically running the midfield from the minute he came on. Few tasty challenges as well.

      Looks a brilliant prospect
      Indeed, it was a really mature and assured performance. He was a proper 'lighthouse' for 45 minutes, as Pep Lijnders likes to call it.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y20PPEfxRts
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      Reply #178: Sep 22, 2021 11:25:11 pm
      For all the talk about our lack of depth up front compared to our rivals like #ManUtdTheDeepestSquadInTheLeague it was pretty funny to see United supposed 'great' depth fluff their lines and fail to score at home to West Ham, after our 'terrible' depth got 3 goals and an assist between them against Norwich.
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      Reply #179: Sep 23, 2021 08:13:25 am
      Take Fernandez and Ronaldo out of that mob and they are average.  Which makes me laugh when folk say we need more top quality backup for our 4 front men. Well our backup have so far shown up brilliantly. 🙂
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      Reply #180: Sep 23, 2021 02:11:21 pm
      I hope I’m wrong but every way I look at it we’re a quality body short in the middle. Naby,Ox, Thiago and even Fab have shown to be injury prone.
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      Reply #181: Sep 23, 2021 02:58:34 pm
      I hope I’m wrong but every way I look at it we’re a quality body short in the middle. Naby,Ox, Thiago and even Fab have shown to be injury prone.

      Dont jinx naby and ox, both been injury free for as long as I can remember. ;D

      Naby injury thru week doesn't count, its only minor which happens to all players.

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      Reply #182: Sep 23, 2021 03:00:13 pm
      Dont jinx naby and ox, both been injury free for as long as I can remember. ;D

      Naby injury thru week doesn't count, its only minor which happens to all players.



      Mate seasons only weeks old .. I’m being a realist here.
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      Reply #183: Sep 23, 2021 03:22:11 pm
      Mate seasons only weeks old .. I’m being a realist here.

      ;D or being negative.

      They have both been fit and Injury free since before pre-season. that's ages for them, long may it continue.
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      Reply #184: Sep 24, 2021 12:08:54 am
      ;D or being negative.

      They have both been fit and Injury free since before pre-season. that's ages for them, long may it continue.

      Naby already ruled out for the second time in 6 games granted first was because he avoided a near kidnapping but it doesn’t bode well.
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      Reply #185: Sep 24, 2021 09:29:56 am
      Naby already ruled out for the second time in 6 games granted first was because he avoided a near kidnapping but it doesn’t bode well.

      ;D. hes stubbed his toe, he will only miss this game.
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      Reply #186: Sep 24, 2021 03:20:21 pm
      ;D. hes stubbed his toe, he will only miss this game.

      Plus a few more now.

      None of our current mids played more than 30 premier league games last year in fact naby and ox didn’t manage to reach that number in combined games.

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      Reply #187: Sep 24, 2021 03:22:48 pm
      Plus a few more now.

      None of our current mids played more than 30 premier league games last year in fact naby and ox didn’t manage to reach that number in combined games.

      When you're a depth player like Keita and Ox, games played is misleading because there will be times when they're on the bench and never make it into the game.

      More accurate would be to know how many games Keita and Ox were AVAILABLE to play.
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      Reply #188: Sep 24, 2021 03:45:41 pm
      Midfielders going down like flies: -

      Elliott  )
      Thaigo ) all unavailable
      Keita   )

      Milly - recovering from illness; hopefully be available

      Fab     )
      Hendo )      all
      Curtis  )   available
      Ox      )

      Option running down; hopefully Keita will be available for the City game.
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      Reply #189: Sep 24, 2021 04:10:08 pm
      Midfielders going down like flies: -

      Elliott  )
      Thaigo ) all unavailable
      Keita   )

      Milly - recovering from illness; hopefully be available

      Fab     )
      Hendo )      all
      Curtis  )   available
      Ox      )

      Option running down; hopefully Keita will be available for the City game.

      Apart from Elliott, all are not long-term. Injuries will happen. In midfield, Firmino and Minamino can play it too (I know that Roberto is coming back from an injury himself too.

      I'm not that worried.

      If anything, Klopp would play 5-2-3 with wingbacks running the wings.
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      Reply #190: Sep 25, 2021 12:19:25 am
      Apart from Elliott, all are not long-term. Injuries will happen. In midfield, Firmino and Minamino can play it too (I know that Roberto is coming back from an injury himself too.

      I'm not that worried.

      If anything, Klopp would play 5-2-3 with wingbacks running the wings.
      To my knowledge Klopp has never played with 3 CB's at Liverpool, other than in the dying minutes of games to protect a lead with an extra CB.
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      Reply #191: Sep 25, 2021 12:31:10 am
      Right, so I made a point. I was very pissed when I saw Keita taken off after 45 mins. He's made of fibre glass. Forget him, he won't get us through a season.

      I had a rant and you lot attacked me. Whatever, let's address my original point back in August.

      Harvey is very unfortunate.

      Thiago is now injured until mid Oct.

      Keita is unreliable.

      Ox is finished. He struggles everytime he's called upon.

      Notice our quality is declining as I tick names off? So we're now left with Milner (35), Jones, Fab and Hendo.

      If Jones has a sh*t game then what? If we need creativity what option do we have to bring on? We don't.

      So what defense is there for fsg in this sh*t show of not replacing Gini?

      If I worked it out surely the guys on £100k + a year could have worked this out quicker than me.

      Mark my words, their tight fistedness in this window, to not replace Gini, will have cost Klopp the chance at this league title.

      I gave a comparison where Thiago, Naby and Ox combined had only played like 50 games more than Gini and that relying on them was insanity.
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      Reply #192: Sep 25, 2021 12:51:47 am
      Right, so I made a point. I was very pissed when I saw Keita taken off after 45 mins. He's made of fibre glass. Forget him, he won't get us through a season.

      I had a rant and you lot attacked me. Whatever, let's address my original point back in August.

      Harvey is very unfortunate.

      Thiago is now injured until mid Oct.

      Keita is unreliable.

      Ox is finished. He struggles everytime he's called upon.

      Notice our quality is declining as I tick names off? So we're now left with Milner (35), Jones, Fab and Hendo.

      If Jones has a sh*t game then what? If we need creativity what option do we have to bring on? We don't.

      So what defense is there for fsg in this sh*t show of not replacing Gini?

      If I worked it out surely the guys on £100k + a year could have worked this out quicker than me.

      Mark my words, their tight fistedness in this window, to not replace Gini, will have cost Klopp the chance at this league title.

      I gave a comparison where Thiago, Naby and Ox combined had only played like 50 games more than Gini and that relying on them was insanity.

      Numbers wise our midfield options were fine coming into the season. It's unfortunate that we have some injuries, but we still have 5 senior midfielders fit and available (Fabinho, Henderson, Jones, Milner, Ox), which should be enough to see us through the next 3 fixtures before the international break, afterwhich we'll certainly have Thiago and Keita back again.

      Also worth mentioning that Klopp played 4231 against City at the Etihad last season, with Henderson and Wijnaldum behind a very attacking front 4 of Mane, Firmino, Jota, and Salah. Needless to say, if Klopp doesn't like his options for a 433 he can always tweak the system slightly to get his best players on the pitch and get a good result just as we did with a 1-1 draw at Man City last season.

      As far as replacing Gini is concerned, if you stack up our lineup from the league winning season with this years lineup, it's pretty obvious that Thiago is the replacement for Gini, just that he arrived a year early before Gini actually left.
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      Reply #193: Sep 25, 2021 01:35:02 am
      Right, so I made a point. I was very pissed when I saw Keita taken off after 45 mins. He's made of fibre glass. Forget him, he won't get us through a season.

      I had a rant and you lot attacked me. Whatever, let's address my original point back in August.

      Harvey is very unfortunate.

      Thiago is now injured until mid Oct.

      Keita is unreliable.

      Ox is finished. He struggles everytime he's called upon.

      Notice our quality is declining as I tick names off? So we're now left with Milner (35), Jones, Fab and Hendo.

      If Jones has a sh*t game then what? If we need creativity what option do we have to bring on? We don't.

      So what defense is there for fsg in this sh*t show of not replacing Gini?

      If I worked it out surely the guys on £100k + a year could have worked this out quicker than me.

      Mark my words, their tight fistedness in this window, to not replace Gini, will have cost Klopp the chance at this league title.

      I gave a comparison where Thiago, Naby and Ox combined had only played like 50 games more than Gini and that relying on them was insanity.

      oh look, the village idiot is around again.
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      Reply #194: Sep 25, 2021 01:55:20 am
      @Village Idiot, You'll never walk alone  :scarf:
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      Reply #195: Sep 25, 2021 06:01:24 am
      oh look, the village idiot is around again.

      I see you took the time to take fsg's cock out your palms so you could type that
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      Reply #196: Sep 25, 2021 06:08:11 am
      Numbers wise our midfield options were fine coming into the season. It's unfortunate that we have some injuries, but we still have 5 senior midfielders fit and available (Fabinho, Henderson, Jones, Milner, Ox), which should be enough to see us through the next 3 fixtures before the international break, afterwhich we'll certainly have Thiago and Keita back again.

      Also worth mentioning that Klopp played 4231 against City at the Etihad last season, with Henderson and Wijnaldum behind a very attacking front 4 of Mane, Firmino, Jota, and Salah. Needless to say, if Klopp doesn't like his options for a 433 he can always tweak the system slightly to get his best players on the pitch and get a good result just as we did with a 1-1 draw at Man City last season.

      As far as replacing Gini is concerned, if you stack up our lineup from the league winning season with this years lineup, it's pretty obvious that Thiago is the replacement for Gini, just that he arrived a year early before Gini actually left.

      Thiago being Gini's replacement is a failure then. How do we replace a guy, who was fit week in week out, for a guy that breaks down quite consistantly.

      Of course Thiago's quality isn't in question, it's his fitness.

      I get what your saying about Klopp having to tweak but my question is if someone's having a sh*t game who replaces him? The drop off in quality is massive, like upfront.

      If they replaced Gini we would have been in a stronger position. Our midfield three is now Fab, Jones and Hendo with Milner and Ox from the bench. Basically we're relying on Jones for creativity. If he's having a sh*t show we can call on the Ox who comes on and does f**k all.

      Do you replace a solid reliable car with a more shiny car but is guaranteed to break down (Thiago)? This is Lovren all over again.

      We don't play 4231 so we're being forced to play it because they didn't replace Gini.
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      Reply #197: Sep 25, 2021 12:26:39 pm
      Thiago being Gini's replacement is a failure then. How do we replace a guy, who was fit week in week out, for a guy that breaks down quite consistantly.

      Of course Thiago's quality isn't in question, it's his fitness.

      I get what your saying about Klopp having to tweak but my question is if someone's having a sh*t game who replaces him? The drop off in quality is massive, like upfront.

      If they replaced Gini we would have been in a stronger position. Our midfield three is now Fab, Jones and Hendo with Milner and Ox from the bench. Basically we're relying on Jones for creativity. If he's having a sh*t show we can call on the Ox who comes on and does f**k all.

      Do you replace a solid reliable car with a more shiny car but is guaranteed to break down (Thiago)? This is Lovren all over again.

      We don't play 4231 so we're being forced to play it because they didn't replace Gini.
      We currently have 5 mids for 3 spaces - just because you have dismissed Ox doesn’t mean it’s a fact and he is still there as an option


      Do you actually enjoy the game ? Unbeaten start to the season so far - yet you’re still throwing your toys out about transfers in the summer.
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      Reply #198: Sep 25, 2021 01:28:07 pm
      Thiago being Gini's replacement is a failure then. How do we replace a guy, who was fit week in week out, for a guy that breaks down quite consistantly.

      Of course Thiago's quality isn't in question, it's his fitness.

      I get what your saying about Klopp having to tweak but my question is if someone's having a sh*t game who replaces him? The drop off in quality is massive, like upfront.

      If they replaced Gini we would have been in a stronger position. Our midfield three is now Fab, Jones and Hendo with Milner and Ox from the bench. Basically we're relying on Jones for creativity. If he's having a sh*t show we can call on the Ox who comes on and does f**k all.

      Do you replace a solid reliable car with a more shiny car but is guaranteed to break down (Thiago)? This is Lovren all over again.

      We don't play 4231 so we're being forced to play it because they didn't replace Gini.
      Thiago is a world class CM. Had we signed a lesser CM to replace Gini the argument would be that we downgraded rather than adequately replacing him, can't win either way.

      Despite injuries we still have 5 players for 3 positions, along with 2 others (Firmino, Minamino) who can do a job if needed. That's fine in terms of numbers.

      Nobody would bat an eye if Jones, Milner, or Ox started for us - in fact Milner and Ox started together on the opening day, so I don't see why it's such a big issue having to rely on them for a couple of games. Jones' creativity is fine, not sure why you're concerned about him.

      These are senior footballers with tonnes of experience, especially Milner, who can do a solid job for us. Admittedly we'd want to have Thiago or Keita for the City game, but we should still have enough talent on the pitch to win that game regardless.

      I agree that Ox has looked poor so far this season, but he's 5th choice right now even with other injuries, so it's hardly some catastrophic scenario we are in. Fabinho, Henderson, and Jones/Milner/Ox is certainly good enough to be able to beat any team we face.
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      Reply #199: Sep 25, 2021 02:30:43 pm
      To my knowledge Klopp has never played with 3 CB's at Liverpool, other than in the dying minutes of games to protect a lead with an extra CB.

      No but he can play it.

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