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      First Team Squad 21/22

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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #25: Aug 12, 2021 01:16:29 pm
      Between January 9 and Feb 6 we play 2 games?
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #26: Aug 12, 2021 01:17:45 pm
      They miss two league games - Brentford and Palace

      They will also miss cup games (hopefully) and will need some rest afterwards. But we should be able to manage with what we have.
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #27: Aug 12, 2021 01:30:08 pm
      Between January 9 and Feb 6 we play 2 games?


      Two league games - might be a couple of FA Cup games as well
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #28: Aug 12, 2021 01:37:29 pm
      They miss two league games - Brentford and Palace

      That’s better than I thought. We’ve plenty of cover for midfield, just a bit worried about Mo & Sadio.
      Travelling and possible injuries could extend them two fixtures. Hope not, but what if !
      We have mini to slot in, but who else ?
      Please don’t say Origi !
      So perhaps we might need some cover up top !
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #29: Aug 12, 2021 01:55:44 pm
      That’s better than I thought. We’ve plenty of cover for midfield, just a bit worried about Mo & Sadio.
      Travelling and possible injuries could extend them two fixtures. Hope not, but what if !
      We have mini to slot in, but who else ?
      Please don’t say Origi !
      So perhaps we might need some cover up top !

      Jota will also be there for cover and they can adjust tactics a little to bring in another mid


      But I suspect once Shaqiri goes we may see an arrival
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #30: Aug 12, 2021 02:10:46 pm

      Two league games - might be a couple of FA Cup games as well

      Not so bad
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #31: Aug 12, 2021 02:14:31 pm

      Two league games - might be a couple of FA Cup games as well

      Get to the final they will miss Leicester game
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      Reply #32: Aug 12, 2021 02:25:41 pm
      Get to the final they will miss Leicester game

      Final on the 5/6th - Leicester on the 9th , could easily play in both if needed
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #33: Aug 12, 2021 05:18:17 pm
      With backline health no longer an issue (knock on wood), we will finally get to see Thiago in the role he was brought in for, that of a playmaking assist man from the midfield position....a nonexistent role on this squad the past few years.

      The RB and LB bill delivery system was remarkable in '19 but the league definitely made adjustments against Trent last season and the LFC offense disappeared completely for long stretches because of it.....and of course the CB injuries never allowed Klopp to put his pieces together as originally designed.

      I fully expect Thiago to move significantly forward this year and be a catalyst for the offense which will hopefully free up Bobby to produce more like a typical CF. The lack of production from his position has been a glaring problem with this offense
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      We saw a hint of what Thiago can bring to the offense in the last month of '20 when the CB positions stabilized and Fabinho returned to midfield. It should get even better.

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      Reply #34: Aug 12, 2021 07:15:39 pm
      OK, devils advocate here..

      CM Fabinho
      CM Henderson
      CM Thiago
      CM Milner
      CM Keita
      CM Jones
      CM Chamberlain
      CM Woodburn
      CM Clarkson

      Clarkson/Woodburn - won't figure
      Chamberlain/Keita - sicknotes
      Milner - getting on but can still do a good job
      Jones - not sure Jürgen trusts him yet in tight games/defensively
      Hendo - seems to have been having more trouble with injuries recently
      Thiago/Fab - going to put these in the reliable category

      For big games eg Citeh/Chavs/Manure etc. say we start Fabinho, Henderson, Thiago
      Say 2 of those 3 are injured, which is not far fetched at all.
      Could be looking at a starting middle of Milly/Jones/Thiago, something like that, with very little in way of replacements/subs to come in.

      Jürgen won't rock the boat majorly in public but would think he has to be looking at that.
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #35: Aug 12, 2021 08:25:07 pm
      OK, devils advocate here..

      CM Fabinho
      CM Henderson
      CM Thiago
      CM Milner
      CM Keita
      CM Jones
      CM Chamberlain
      CM Woodburn
      CM Clarkson

      Clarkson/Woodburn - won't figure
      Chamberlain/Keita - sicknotes
      Milner - getting on but can still do a good job
      Jones - not sure Jürgen trusts him yet in tight games/defensively
      Hendo - seems to have been having more trouble with injuries recently
      Thiago/Fab - going to put these in the reliable category

      For big games eg Citeh/Chavs/Manure etc. say we start Fabinho, Henderson, Thiago
      Say 2 of those 3 are injured, which is not far fetched at all.
      Could be looking at a starting middle of Milly/Jones/Thiago, something like that, with very little in way of replacements/subs to come in.

      Jürgen won't rock the boat majorly in public but would think he has to be looking at that.

      Thiago has had an injury problem since before he came here.
      It's nothing major, just something he feels (it's his arse, reading between the lines), so I'd expect him to be rotated in and out of the side.
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #36: Aug 12, 2021 09:56:01 pm
      On paper I think the squad looks good but we're going to need a couple of major things to go our way to fight for the title and CL.

      First the injuries need to dry up. We're carrying 6-7 players in that squad that are almost certainly going to get injured this season, add a few more of the normally fit lads into that list and we will really struggle. Midfield would be an example for me, we've got the numbers but Ox, Keita and Henderson will all spend some time on the sideline and Fab too has an injury in him every season. It's why I wouldn't have minded one of Ox or Keita leaving and getting someone in there who can properly cover the games Gini played. Still time to do something there though. Defence is a bit of a toss up as well - we've got no idea how VVD and Gomez are going to come back from pretty much the worst injuries a footballer could get. That along with the injury prone Matip means I'd be wanting us to hold onto Nat until at least January to see how VVD and Gomez settle back in.

      Other aspect would be the form of Mane and Firmino. We simply have to have them back on top form to have a chance. Our three biggest rivals have gone out and all bought an 80m+ player up there whilst it looks like we won't be signing that calibre of player. If the two find their form I think we will be okay but if they don't I don't see us scoring enough to challenge.

      Either way, it's that time of the year to start getting excited. Bring it on!
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #37: Aug 13, 2021 01:08:48 am
      Paul Tomkins had a good free article today where he suggested that we have something like 15 new signings this season because of how much time a number of players missed last year due to CoVid, injuries and other circumstances. I won't recount it here but recommend you take a look. The point being that we should be a much stronger team this season, with the benefit of not having to integrate a bunch of new faces this season.

      One of the 15:  Dr Andreas Schlumberger.

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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #38: Aug 13, 2021 10:22:59 am
      Mirror Saying Virgil just signed another contract terms to follow

      https://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/liverpool-fc
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #39: Aug 13, 2021 10:24:18 am
      Mirror Saying Virgil just signed another contract terms to follow

      He has til 2025 🎉
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #40: Aug 13, 2021 10:26:23 am

      Great news only Hendo and a few others to go
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #41: Aug 13, 2021 11:14:55 am
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #42: Aug 13, 2021 07:41:59 pm
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      They will also miss cup games (hopefully) and will need some rest afterwards. But we should be able to manage with what we have.

      There will be no rest. As soon as their countries are out of the tournament, they'll be on the first plane back to Liverpool, to play in our next game. As happened in 2017. Back then, they missed 2 LC semis, 3 FA Cup games, and 2 league games. We took 3 points in January from 4 games. We lost 3 home games on the bounce. Our season collapsed from a title challenge and two cup runs, into the usual top 4 bunfight.

      It's not the old days of the transfer window, and the squad list outlined in the first post, is not set in stone. A number of players in it will be somewhere else after the transfer window. That's the thing about pre season. While the established first team players get ready to face the season ahead, other players get ready to get away. There's no future for Karius and Woodburn and Shaq here, so they'll be off. Davies and Phillips will probably be gone. We'll take any takers for Minamino and Origi.

      All the heavies will be back for the start of the season. At the back, Allison can't be making mistakes and throwing away more games such as against City and Leicester, or his automatic starting place can't be guaranteed. I would go with VVD and Konate as the first choice centre back partnership. Matip is too injury prone to be considered first choice, and I don't think we paid 40m for Konate to sit on the bench. The rest of the team picks itself.

      20 BBC pundits gave their predictions for the season. All 20 said we won't win the league, 1 said that we wouldn't make the top 4. So the scale of the task is clear. Despite winning it recently, and going into the season with 8 wins in our last 10 games, everyone has already written us off. Time to prove them all wrong so.
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      Reply #43: Aug 13, 2021 07:45:51 pm
      Paul Tomkins had a good free article today where he suggested that we have something like 15 new signings this season because of how much time a number of players missed last year due to CoVid, injuries and other circumstances. I won't recount it here but recommend you take a look. The point being that we should be a much stronger team this season, with the benefit of not having to integrate a bunch of new faces this season.

      One of the 15:  Dr Andreas Schlumberger.



      It's like the loaves and the fishes, turning 1 signing into 15.
      FSG must have the pipe and slippers out...
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      Reply #44: Aug 14, 2021 03:51:09 am
      It's like the loaves and the fishes, turning 1 signing into 15.
      FSG must have the pipe and slippers out...

      There would be no point in trying to influence the PR. The only thing that will matter in the end is if the team wins.

      But the article is thoughtful and does show how so so many players are set to have a much greater impact on team fortunes this season.

      Starting Saturday, the team is back on course re what Klopp began building.
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      Reply #45: Aug 14, 2021 06:01:46 am
      There will be no rest. As soon as their countries are out of the tournament, they'll be on the first plane back to Liverpool, to play in our next game. As happened in 2017. Back then, they missed 2 LC semis, 3 FA Cup games, and 2 league games. We took 3 points in January from 4 games. We lost 3 home games on the bounce. Our season collapsed from a title challenge and two cup runs, into the usual top 4 bunfight.

      Playing an international tournament is mentally and physically draining. Especially as each of them is the 'star player' of his country. Even if they don't think they need it, I'd rather we give them a few days to rest afterwards. There's no need to risk injuries down the line for the sake of one game.
      And the good thing is they won't all reach the final, so they'll come back gradually.

      In 2017, our squad was nowhere near as complete as it is now, so I wouldn't use it as reference point. Also, we played a lot more games in January 2017 than we will in 2022.


      20 BBC pundits gave their predictions for the season. All 20 said we won't win the league, 1 said that we wouldn't make the top 4. So the scale of the task is clear. Despite winning it recently, and going into the season with 8 wins in our last 10 games, everyone has already written us off. Time to prove them all wrong so.

      To be fair, who gives a sh*t about what pundits say? They're not really the brightest bunch. And we do love to prove people wrong anyway, so let's do it again!



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      Reply #46: Aug 14, 2021 06:04:24 am
      But the article is thoughtful and does show how so so many players are set to have a much greater impact on team fortunes this season.

      The bit about Woodburn was really interesting. Hopefully there is some truth there.
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #47: Aug 17, 2021 04:44:31 pm
      Doesn't look like Shaq is in first team training. Departure imminent?
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      Reply #48: Aug 17, 2021 09:17:49 pm
      I think our squad is good enough to win the title, but I do have my concerns


      Here’s my assessment:

      Goalkeepers:
      We have the best goalkeeper in the world imo. Adrian is not reliable but he is capable of making some good saves. I like Kelleher and right now he is my (and it seems Klopp’s) #2. We’re fine in the goalkeeping department.


      Defence:
      In terms of centre back, we have the best set of 4 in the league and probably the world. The only issue is that Matip is injury prone and so is Gomez. Konate has had his injury issues as well. I like Phillips but I think it’s best if he goes. Williams makes sense for 5th choice. I’m happy with our centre back options. We COULD have another injury crisis, but I think we will be alright.


      I think we’re set at left back. I didn’t think Robertson had the best season last year, so Tsimikas should hopefully make him kick back on to his previous level once he returns. Tsimikas had a mostly good game against Norwich imo, and he has the speed and play style to fit in well with our style of play. We also have (an old!) Milner if needed.

      Out of all the positions at the back, I’d say we’re weakest at right back. Trent is amazing and is an automatic starter due to how much influence he has on our play, so it’s going to be difficult to get a good back up when that player knows they aren’t going to play much.

      I’m not a massive fan of Neco Williams but he has had some good performances in the past and hopefully now with him being a bit older he can improve. He’s not going to push Trent though, and our level is going to drop if Trent gets injured and Neco comes in. We will just have to alter our tactics a bit, because there’s very few full backs who can do what Trent does.

      Outside of TAA and Neco, we have Milner and Gomez. Milner is old and full back is usually a young man’s position, but if he has to fill in there I won’t be too worried. Gomez is a good right back but his best position is obviously CB. I worry about Gomez getting injured playing RB, but if we had a big away game and Trent was out, I’d be fine with putting Gomez in at RB.

      The midfield is my biggest worry with this squad. Our starting three is very, very good; perhaps the best in the league. Fab, Hendo, Thiago is a very good midfield. I rate Keita but his injury issues are a big concern. It just hasn’t really worked out so far, but I thought he was excellent against Norwich and I think there’s a section of the fan base that completely ignores the good things when it comes to him.

      After the 4 players I mentioned, there is a drop off. Milner always manages to surprise me. I thought he had a really solid game against Real Madrid in the CL game at Anfield. I think he still has something to offer, but he could get old overnight. Great player to have in the squad though.

      I like Ox and I understand that it’s a good idea to keep him because of the home grown rules, but he’s never found any kind of consistency following his injury against Man City. He at least offers something different to our midfield and is one of the few players in the team who has a good shot from outside the box. I’d love to see him somehow return to the level he was at during his first season, but I don’t have much confidence that he is going to be able to do that. I thought he was poor against Norwich.

      I like Jones and Elliot. Jones gained a lot of experience last season and Elliot has very good passing ability and is really good for his age. Elliot is obviously unproven at this level though. I want to see the young players getting games but I don’t want the manager to have to rely on them too much due to injuries etc.

      Woodburn might get some chances in the league cup etc. I’m not really going to consider him as a serious option right now though.


      I think our main issue in the midfield is that we have injury prone players. Henderson, Keita, and Ox are all known for having had injury issues. Thiago has also had some issues in the past, although getting clamped by Richarlison is pretty much always going to result in an injury.

      Gini was very rarely injured. His engine was also very good. If Henderson and Keita are out, I worry about our pressing ability and stamina in the middle of the park. I know we have Milner, but he’s 35. I would like to see another signing who has similar qualities to Gini and has a good engine. I’m not going to lose too much sleep if we don’t sign another midfielder, but it would give me more confidence.

      A lot of people are against signing Sanches due to his struggles at club level and his injury record, but I think he’s very talented. It would be a risky signing but if Klopp wants him then I will support that decision.

      Nandez is an interesting player who is wanted by Spurs. I have seen him play for Uruguay and I have also caught him a couple of times when watching Serie A. He has a really good engine and is a versatile player who can also fill in at right back. I like what I have seen of him, but I wouldn’t be able to say with confidence whether I believe he’d be able to step up to this level.

      I like Bissouma and it seems that we have had some interest. It looks like he might cost quite a lot though.


      Onto the forward positions:

      We have four great options. I’m very happy with Salah, Mane, Firmino, Jota. There’s a big drop off after that though. I like Shaqiri a lot but he’s doesn’t really fit our 433. He is more of a midfielder who creates chances than he is a forward in a Klopp 433. I think he should go for his own benefit. Elliot is a built in replacement who will have a lot of time to build his game around becoming a CM in Klopp’s system.

      I love what Origi has done for us but he’s unable to push for a starting spot and he’s not a natural fit in this system. I’d sell him if we got a decent fee.

      I like Minamino. In the 433, I see him as a false 9 or an inverted LW similar to Coutinho. He could play as a 10 or off the left in a 4231. I don’t see him being utilised as a number 8 in the 433. Perhaps in the odd home game against a smaller team Klopp would consider it. I think Minamino’s a good squad option who could really kick on.


      I wouldn’t mind seeing one more forward player come in. I’d personally lean more towards a pacey winger than a central player. The player should also be under the age of 25. Probably closer to 20 than 25.


      This wraps up my long assessment of the squad. Even if we don’t make any more additions, I think we will win the league as long we don’t have injuries to key players in midfield. Winning it this season would be a real achievement considering the amount of money our rivals have spent. We are also a big threat in the champions league.
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #49: Aug 18, 2021 12:20:12 pm
      When is the deadline for transfers and squad registration?

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