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      First Team Squad 21/22

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      Reply #437: Dec 24, 2021 08:01:44 pm
      Didn't see Gomez, Milly or Naby in the photo though?
      Covid?
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      Reply #438: Jan 02, 2022 10:56:20 pm
      A point that I think get overlooked when people talk about lack of investment and not upgrading while we are successful is that to really do that some players inevitably would have had to move on.

      We only have so many spaces to register and also how many of the players who have given us the success over the last number of years would the settle into a squad role?

      To really keep the squad happy, as is Jurgens way, to really upgrade and freshen we would have had to sell one or two of the players how have led us to our first league title in thirty years and number 6.

      How many would have been happy if that happened?
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      Reply #439: Jan 02, 2022 11:02:20 pm
      A point that I think get overlooked when people talk about lack of investment and not upgrading while we are successful is that to really do that some players inevitably would have had to move on.

      We only have so many spaces to register and also how many of the players who have given us the success over the last number of years would the settle into a squad role?

      To really keep the squad happy, as is Jurgens way, to really upgrade and freshen we would have had to sell one or two of the players how have led us to our first league title in thirty years and number 6.

      How many would have been happy if that happened?

      Ox, Keita, Milner and one of Origi or Taki could all be moved on for me if it meant us brining in one top quality player who can goes straight into the starting XI.

      Milner I’d maybe consider keeping as a squad player but I don’t see what he offers be it in midfield or at full back any more - basically use for cup games and as a rotation option.

      Ox absolutely needs to go, never recovered from that knee injury unfortunately but we can’t be sentimental.
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      Reply #440: Jan 02, 2022 11:10:18 pm
      Ox, Keita, Milner and one of Origi or Taki could all be moved on for me if it meant us brining in one top quality player who can goes straight into the starting XI.

      Milner I’d maybe consider keeping as a squad player but I don’t see what he offers be it in midfield or at full back any more - basically use for cup games and as a rotation option.

      Ox absolutely needs to go, never recovered from that knee injury unfortunately but we can’t be sentimental.

      I don't disagree with a lot of this mate but it's not a simple as that.

      If you leave Naby to one side, as I thing Jürgen definitely wanted at least to see another season of him, was there any interest in the other players to be able to move them on?

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      Reply #441: Jan 02, 2022 11:19:10 pm
      I don't disagree with a lot of this mate but it's not a simple as that.

      If you leave Naby to one side, as I thing Jürgen definitely wanted at least to see another season of him, was there any interest in the other players to be able to move them on?



      Honestly mate, not sure I guess the only thing as fans were can judge on is speculation in the press and there was none around those lads.

      Obviously I’m playing football manager here and know it isn’t as easy as whacking them on a transfer list and someone comes in but perfect world that is what I would be looking to do.
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      Reply #442: Jan 03, 2022 11:05:23 pm
      Ox, Keita, Milner and one of Origi or Taki could all be moved on for me if it meant us brining in one top quality player who can goes straight into the starting XI.

      Milner I’d maybe consider keeping as a squad player but I don’t see what he offers be it in midfield or at full back any more - basically use for cup games and as a rotation option.

      Ox absolutely needs to go, never recovered from that knee injury unfortunately but we can’t be sentimental.

      Depending on where that new starting player plays it would have to be a starting player leaving to make room. If, for example, you bring in someone to start at LW, Mane isn't going to simply be ok being 4th option now and Jota (or Bobby) certainly wouldn't be ok, nor would he deserve, to suddenly be moved down to Origi's spot as the 5th forward getting cup games and crumbs during the league.
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      Reply #443: Jan 03, 2022 11:09:07 pm
      Depending on where that new starting player plays it would have to be a starting player leaving to make room. If, for example, you bring in someone to start at LW, Mane isn't going to simply be ok being 4th option now and Jota (or Bobby) certainly wouldn't be ok, nor would he deserve, to suddenly be moved down to Origi's spot as the 5th forward getting cup games and crumbs during the league.

      This is the point I was making a bit of a fist of making. :D

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      Reply #444: Jan 04, 2022 12:15:17 am
      Depending on where that new starting player plays it would have to be a starting player leaving to make room. If, for example, you bring in someone to start at LW, Mane isn't going to simply be ok being 4th option now and Jota (or Bobby) certainly wouldn't be ok, nor would he deserve, to suddenly be moved down to Origi's spot as the 5th forward getting cup games and crumbs during the league.

      So if you’re happy with your starting 11 then you need to buy quality and move on the subs you think aren’t up to standard.
      Doesn’t matter what involvement they had in previous victories, move them on.

      As Sir Bob said when he was asked about moving decent players on, “ You only see them once a week. I see them every day. If a players legs are going, make sure they go in someone else’s team”

      No sentiment if you want consistent trophies !
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      Reply #445: Jan 04, 2022 04:32:14 am
      Depending on where that new starting player plays it would have to be a starting player leaving to make room. If, for example, you bring in someone to start at LW, Mane isn't going to simply be ok being 4th option now and Jota (or Bobby) certainly wouldn't be ok, nor would he deserve, to suddenly be moved down to Origi's spot as the 5th forward getting cup games and crumbs during the league.

      And so is the way of football teams.

      If Mane doesn't like it Mane can up his levels to stay in the team. If Mane really doesn't like it Mane can go. This is Liverpool Football Club not players football club. We play the players that will win us trophies not players that previously won us trophies.
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      Reply #446: Jan 04, 2022 07:28:29 am
      Depending on where that new starting player plays it would have to be a starting player leaving to make room. If, for example, you bring in someone to start at LW, Mane isn't going to simply be ok being 4th option now and Jota (or Bobby) certainly wouldn't be ok, nor would he deserve, to suddenly be moved down to Origi's spot as the 5th forward getting cup games and crumbs during the league.

      Which is absolutely fine, but it’s doesn’t mean you stand still

      You either bring one in for competition, if Mane (in this example isn’t happy then he can move one)
      Or you make that decision for him and replace him with two

      Let him get old on someone else’s pitch

      If we stand still and be sentimental then you will go backwards because your main rivals won’t stand still and do great with top quality sat on the bench or rotating

      Problem we have with this model is you have to sell someone in their prime to replace them, we won’t spend money ourselves so there is no alternative
      If you don’t all the players age and have no resale value and then it’s hello square one again
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      Reply #447: Jan 04, 2022 09:01:46 am
      Which is absolutely fine, but it’s doesn’t mean you stand still

      You either bring one in for competition, if Mane (in this example isn’t happy then he can move one)
      Or you make that decision for him and replace him with two

      Let him get old on someone else’s pitch

      If we stand still and be sentimental then you will go backwards because your main rivals won’t stand still and do great with top quality sat on the bench or rotating

      Problem we have with this model is you have to sell someone in their prime to replace them, we won’t spend money ourselves so there is no alternative
      If you don’t all the players age and have no resale value and then it’s hello square one again

      Ok, but at the same time the club management will be criticized for not extending every player whose contract comes within two years of expiring. (Not talking about Salah here). This idea of selling on the players when they are getting older doesn't resonate nearly as well with the modern footballer. The kind of chemistry our manager has built in the team doesn't come from treating them like pieces of furniture. It's a delicate balance and complicated.

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      Reply #448: Jan 04, 2022 09:59:02 am
      And so is the way of football teams.

      If Mane doesn't like it Mane can up his levels to stay in the team. If Mane really doesn't like it Mane can go. This is Liverpool Football Club not players football club. We play the players that will win us trophies not players that previously won us trophies.

      I'll pick up on this as I raised the point originally.

      I've no issue with your Mane example but I can guarantee if we bought a big name forward and Mane was sold because he couldn't or didn't want to up his level and ended up on the bench some of you lot would be screaming about sell to buy again.

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      Reply #449: Jan 04, 2022 10:00:31 am
      Ok, but at the same time the club management will be criticized for not extending every player whose contract comes within two years of expiring. (Not talking about Salah here). This idea of selling on the players when they are getting older doesn't resonate nearly as well with the modern footballer. The kind of chemistry our manager has built in the team doesn't come from treating them like pieces of furniture. It's a delicate balance and complicated.

      It’s not how I’d like it done but I’m afraid with this model it’s the way you have to be or they all age and you have no value to reinvest

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      Reply #450: Jan 04, 2022 10:16:27 am
      Anyone agree with me that a summer of Bellingham and Bowen would be a decent window?

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      Reply #451: Jan 04, 2022 10:28:18 am
      Anyone agree with me that a summer of Bellingham and Bowen would be a decent window?

      That would be a very good window
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      Reply #452: Jan 04, 2022 10:31:47 am
      Anyone agree with me that a summer of Bellingham and Bowen would be a decent window?

      It would but not likely is it? You be looking somewhere in the region of £130m for the pair?

      So unless we sell somewhere in the region of £100m then it’s pie in the sky no?
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      Reply #453: Jan 04, 2022 10:35:40 am
      It would but not likely is it? You be looking somewhere in the region of £130m for the pair?

      So unless we sell somewhere in the region of £100m then it’s pie in the sky no?

      Origi, Chamberlain, Gomez, Phillips, maybe Minamino and possible one of the main front three?

      Those are possible exits and would approach £80M even for the first four on that list so I don't think it's out of the question mate
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      Reply #454: Jan 04, 2022 10:41:48 am
      Anyone agree with me that a summer of Bellingham and Bowen would be a decent window?






      Only if we added John Mcginn & Billy Gilmour too Si, doubtful but one can dream 😴 !
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      Reply #455: Jan 04, 2022 10:49:47 am
      It would but not likely is it? You be looking somewhere in the region of £130m for the pair?

      So unless we sell somewhere in the region of £100m then it’s pie in the sky no?

      I suspect ( prob wrong ) that there will be a lot more money available this summer


      All the commercial has been restored
      Match day revenue

      And the big one will be 2 years worth of Nike sales money ( haven’t had anything beyond the yearly price )

      That along with some sales ( Ox, Keita and maybe some youngsters ) I think will provide the New DoF with some significant funds
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      Reply #456: Jan 04, 2022 10:54:10 am
      Origi, Chamberlain, Gomez, Phillips, maybe Minamino and possible one of the main front three?

      Those are possible exits and would approach £80M even for the first four on that list so I don't think it's out of the question mate

      I wouldn’t let Gomez go personally, we will just be spending 40-50m on his replacement

      If Div and Taki leave and only Bowen comes in we’d be shorter than we are now let alone one of the current front three
      Say Mane, Taki and Div leave and just Bowen in? Disaster written all over that

      I suspect ( prob wrong ) that there will be a lot more money available this summer


      All the commercial has been restored
      Match day revenue

      And the big one will be 2 years worth of Nike sales money ( haven’t had anything beyond the yearly price )

      That along with some sales ( Ox, Keita and maybe some youngsters ) I think will provide the New DoF with some significant funds



      We seem to have that line (through the press) every year

      Next year will be a big one for Liverpool in the market, yet it never is
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      Reply #457: Jan 04, 2022 11:01:56 am
      I wouldn’t let Gomez go personally, we will just be spending 40-50m on his replacement

      If Div and Taki leave and only Bowen comes in we’d be shorter than we are now let alone one of the current front three
      Say Mane, Taki and Div leave and just Bowen in? Disaster written all over that



      We seem to have that line (through the press) every year

      Next year will be a big one for Liverpool in the market, yet it never is

      We don’t have that line - the press dribble it , the club as always say nothing when it comes to transfers


      All this “next summer” stuff is part of the click bait that the Twitterati leap upon and then when the club don’t sign someone they use it as a tool to beat the club


      The club have always been very quiet - shame some don’t see it


      I’m just looking at the situation over the last 12 months and this season


      We lost over £50mil in commercial revenue and £20mins because of the closed door games - because of the pandemic

      Part of the Nike deal was getting 20% of all global sales

      That’s due to this year


      So when you add all that together and potentially offset some losses and add player sales then I can see the club looking at two first team players and maybe someone like Bellingham


      But all this “next summer” sh*te should be left to the Twitter bed wetters
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      Reply #458: Jan 04, 2022 11:06:04 am
      We don’t have that line - the press dribble it , the club as always say nothing when it comes to transfers


      All this “next summer” stuff is part of the click bait that the Twitterati leap upon and then when the club don’t sign someone they use it as a tool to beat the club


      The club have always been very quiet - shame some don’t see it


      I’m just looking at the situation over the last 12 months and this season


      We lost over £50mil in commercial revenue and £20mins because of the closed door games - because of the pandemic

      Part of the Nike deal was getting 20% of all global sales

      That’s due to this year


      So when you add all that together and potentially offset some losses and add player sales then I can see the club looking at two first team players and maybe someone like Bellingham


      But all this “next summer” sh*te should be left to the Twitter bed wetters

      Well that may well be the case but it tends to come from journalists that are associated with the club

      But choose to ignore it if it doesn’t suit

      Look, I hope you’re right, but going on the evidence of the last decade it seems highly unlikely
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      Reply #459: Jan 04, 2022 11:16:08 am
      Well that may well be the case but it tends to come from journalists that are associated with the club

      But choose to ignore it if it doesn’t suit

      Look, I hope you’re right, but going on the evidence of the last decade it seems highly unlikely

      The last decade we have been building the commercial income - we didn’t have the likes of the deal with Nike , the level of match day revenue and then Covid as well

      It pays to just look past headlines or what ever a journalist says

      The club have learned many times not to give journos sh*t - take the Jota/Werner as an example - every “associated” Journo had us balls deep for Werner , not a sniff on Jota , same when we got the likes of Fabinho , or when VVD arrived in the Jan window

      Look past media bollocks


      In the last decade we had one quiet summer - we have made significant purchases in all the others


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