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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #475: Jan 04, 2022 11:35:55 pm
      Would have cashed in on Keita and AOC two years ago - not sure how much we'll get for them now.

      Origi I'd keep, has an eye for goal and gives us something a bit different, even if sporadic.

      Gomez, doesn't seem to have progressed and has injury issues - if got good fee, would consider moving on. 50/50 on Joe.
      Would keep Phillips if Joe left. If Joe stays, maybe Nat might want to leave to play more regularly, would get decent money and would be hard to deny him the opportunity, seems 15mill is the going rate.

      Taki, would have considered moving him on before now, but with the lads going to AFCON, maybe will get a bit if a run and might get to show a bit more than he has to date.

      Firmino, would have considered moving him on in the summer. Last season we had the CB nitemare, but we also had a period in the new year where we couldn't hit a barn door up front, and talk of front three coming to an end. Jota is now imho ahead of Bob. Am huge fan of Firmino, and an in form and firing Bob starts ahead of Jota every time, but not sure if Bob will get back to that level. He might, hope he does.

      Not sure Milner has another season in him, he might decide he wants to keep playing and drop to a lower level for next year. If he'd stayed I wouldn't argue, the lad is a top pro, but he'd be further down the pecking order.

      If we could get Traore for 20mill, think Jürgen could work with him.
      Tielemans might also be someone Jürgen could develop.
      Gilmour and Gallagher look promising, but why would Chelsea let them go.
      What's happened Deli Ali, from looking like a player, dropped off the radar - could Jürgen work some magic..
      Coutinho on loan, would consider it in Jan.
      Eden Hazard, nah, too injury prone.
      Bowen/McGinn, not sure, hard workers though.
      Wirtz, havent seen much of him but sounds promising.
      Ruben Neves, not for me.
      Renato Sanches, used to like him but not so sure now.

      Rice, Bellingham, Haaland, Mbappe etc - different bracket - v good players but talking BIG money.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmRSYoWx5vY Here is a highlight glimpse of Florian Wirtz with the obligatory crappy music. These videos are wholly inadequate other than to give you just a little idea of what he's like.

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      Reply #476: Jan 05, 2022 12:27:53 am
      That’s a different point to selling to regenerating the squad though mate no?

      If we don’t sell a Salah, Mane or whoever at peak price we won’t be given funds to replace them when the time comes

      So my thinking is that Jürgen has a different approach to building and sustaining a winner. He sees football as a classic group effort, where the sum of the parts is greater than the individual parts (however that saying goes). He is about players playing their roles expertly (through superior and consistent training) and the intangibles of chemistry, psychology, good environment working together with all the quality play to produce something spectacular.

      This invites a recruitment approach  quite different than the agent-driven megastar hunt that tends to dominate media coverage and fan interest. Remember when Mino Raiola said Klopp was a piece of sh*t? He was mad that Jürgen wasn't allowing Balotelli back into the squad, but also because he knows that if Jürgen's approach catches on, it will significantly cut into the gravy train for people like him. Agents make their money from transfers and that is why you see these galactico types move again and again and again - with a club's supposed ambition being measure on the sheer volume of gold they are willing to shell out to get said players.

      That doesn't mean you don't want great players of course, just a certain kind of great player (and no jackasses). And again, these players have to fit into a supercharged team ethos under Klopp's direction. AS I mentioned before, a big part of that is allowing players to see out their entire contracts rather than looking at them as simply pawns in a financial game. I think the overwhelming majority of players we have sold were asking to be moved so they could play a greater role somewhere, while our regular starters have mostly been renewed or allowed to leave on a free. Put yourself in the shoes of a player with a family and that is going to be pretty meaningful and really enhance how you feel about the people you work with.

      Look at all the players who at one point were regular starters but were allowed to see out their contract and leave on a free rather than being "cashed in on."

      Alberto Moreno, Nathanael Clyne, Daniel Sturridge, Emre Can, Gini Wijnaldum and Adam Lallana. The club could have gotten something for each of these players a year earlier, but chose to let them stay and help them compete for trophies.

      Look at the guys we sold, they were nearly all players on the outskirts of the first team, either because they didn't fit Klopp's system (like Benteke) or just didn't manage to crack the starting XI.

      Christian Benteke, Danny Ings, Joe Allen, Mama Sakho, Dejan Lovren, Shaqiri, Danny Ward, Jordon Ibe and Simon Mignolet.

       You also had promising youngsters like Marko Grujic, Harry Wilson, Rhian Brewster, Ryan Kent and Kijana Hoever.

      The outlier to all of this of course if Phil Coutinho, but he is a unique situation in that he had his head turned by the sports marketing/sports agency gravy train and so Liverpool were left with no choice. It doesn't mean that the club buys players simply to sell them. With our top, starting players the pattern has been very much the opposite  - we buy them to keep them (at least for as long as they doing the business and helping promote the team's spirit. I bet if you compared our top 15 players re games played the average amount of time they have been with the club is longer than you'll see at other top clubs in England and Europe. Less turnover is a good thing. So we have guys who were here BEFORE Jürgen arrived like Henderson, Milner, Gomez, Bobby and Divock.

      Now you still need money when the time comes to bring new players in, but the funds needed to buy those players comes from a number of sources, not just from players sold. The Nike revenue, the investment from the outside capital group as well as TV and other media revenue, will make a big difference when the time comes to buy - just remember our buys will always be precise strikes in the  market, not carpet bombing in the hopes of getting one or two who stick. It's not as sexy (or simple) for some fans and journos to understand, but judging by results, the whole thing can work (and that is allowing for the bigger purchases of Virgil and Ali and the still rather large purchases of Jota, Konate, Thiago, Mo, Sadio, Ox, Gini, Fab and Keita).

      Add in some bargain buys like Robbo and Matip with young stars like Trent and hopefully Harvey Elliott and Tyler Morton and you are getting close to a well-rounded squad. It's not that it can't be improved upon, but you have to do it within this process. There's a lot of science to determine how long to sign a player for  (however long he is going to be making a difference for us. I fully expect Mo to get a renewal, but it may be that the management decide to let Sadio and Bobby see out their contracts, while lining up their replacements even now.

      It's not the way journos and their agent friends and their bung-taking mediocre English managers depict building a winner, but so often the headlines of the big transfer linger longer than the muted detailing of players/teams not living up to expectations despite spending big. The approach of our manager, which has helped refine the approach of the owners, is a much more cultured, thoughtful, and in the end, promising model to build and sustain a winning team at Liverpool in the age of the state-owned football conglomerates we compete for trophies with.
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      Reply #477: Jan 05, 2022 07:14:21 am
      So my thinking is that Jürgen has a different approach to building and sustaining a winner. He sees football as a classic group effort, where the sum of the parts is greater than the individual parts (however that saying goes). He is about players playing their roles expertly (through superior and consistent training) and the intangibles of chemistry, psychology, good environment working together with all the quality play to produce something spectacular.

      This invites a recruitment approach  quite different than the agent-driven megastar hunt that tends to dominate media coverage and fan interest. Remember when Mino Raiola said Klopp was a piece of sh*t? He was mad that Jürgen wasn't allowing Balotelli back into the squad, but also because he knows that if Jürgen's approach catches on, it will significantly cut into the gravy train for people like him. Agents make their money from transfers and that is why you see these galactico types move again and again and again - with a club's supposed ambition being measure on the sheer volume of gold they are willing to shell out to get said players.

      That doesn't mean you don't want great players of course, just a certain kind of great player (and no jackasses). And again, these players have to fit into a supercharged team ethos under Klopp's direction. AS I mentioned before, a big part of that is allowing players to see out their entire contracts rather than looking at them as simply pawns in a financial game. I think the overwhelming majority of players we have sold were asking to be moved so they could play a greater role somewhere, while our regular starters have mostly been renewed or allowed to leave on a free. Put yourself in the shoes of a player with a family and that is going to be pretty meaningful and really enhance how you feel about the people you work with.

      Look at all the players who at one point were regular starters but were allowed to see out their contract and leave on a free rather than being "cashed in on."

      Alberto Moreno, Nathanael Clyne, Daniel Sturridge, Emre Can, Gini Wijnaldum and Adam Lallana. The club could have gotten something for each of these players a year earlier, but chose to let them stay and help them compete for trophies.

      Look at the guys we sold, they were nearly all players on the outskirts of the first team, either because they didn't fit Klopp's system (like Benteke) or just didn't manage to crack the starting XI.

      Christian Benteke, Danny Ings, Joe Allen, Mama Sakho, Dejan Lovren, Shaqiri, Danny Ward, Jordon Ibe and Simon Mignolet.

       You also had promising youngsters like Marko Grujic, Harry Wilson, Rhian Brewster, Ryan Kent and Kijana Hoever.

      The outlier to all of this of course if Phil Coutinho, but he is a unique situation in that he had his head turned by the sports marketing/sports agency gravy train and so Liverpool were left with no choice. It doesn't mean that the club buys players simply to sell them. With our top, starting players the pattern has been very much the opposite  - we buy them to keep them (at least for as long as they doing the business and helping promote the team's spirit. I bet if you compared our top 15 players re games played the average amount of time they have been with the club is longer than you'll see at other top clubs in England and Europe. Less turnover is a good thing. So we have guys who were here BEFORE Jürgen arrived like Henderson, Milner, Gomez, Bobby and Divock.

      Now you still need money when the time comes to bring new players in, but the funds needed to buy those players comes from a number of sources, not just from players sold. The Nike revenue, the investment from the outside capital group as well as TV and other media revenue, will make a big difference when the time comes to buy - just remember our buys will always be precise strikes in the  market, not carpet bombing in the hopes of getting one or two who stick. It's not as sexy (or simple) for some fans and journos to understand, but judging by results, the whole thing can work (and that is allowing for the bigger purchases of Virgil and Ali and the still rather large purchases of Jota, Konate, Thiago, Mo, Sadio, Ox, Gini, Fab and Keita).

      Add in some bargain buys like Robbo and Matip with young stars like Trent and hopefully Harvey Elliott and Tyler Morton and you are getting close to a well-rounded squad. It's not that it can't be improved upon, but you have to do it within this process. There's a lot of science to determine how long to sign a player for  (however long he is going to be making a difference for us. I fully expect Mo to get a renewal, but it may be that the management decide to let Sadio and Bobby see out their contracts, while lining up their replacements even now.

      It's not the way journos and their agent friends and their bung-taking mediocre English managers depict building a winner, but so often the headlines of the big transfer linger longer than the muted detailing of players/teams not living up to expectations despite spending big. The approach of our manager, which has helped refine the approach of the owners, is a much more cultured, thoughtful, and in the end, promising model to build and sustain a winning team at Liverpool in the age of the state-owned football conglomerates we compete for trophies with.


      Superb post.
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      Reply #478: Jan 05, 2022 07:17:46 am
      So my thinking is that Jürgen has a different approach to building and sustaining a winner. He sees football as a classic group effort, where the sum of the parts is greater than the individual parts (however that saying goes). He is about players playing their roles expertly (through superior and consistent training) and the intangibles of chemistry, psychology, good environment working together with all the quality play to produce something spectacular.

      This invites a recruitment approach  quite different than the agent-driven megastar hunt that tends to dominate media coverage and fan interest. Remember when Mino Raiola said Klopp was a piece of sh*t? He was mad that Jürgen wasn't allowing Balotelli back into the squad, but also because he knows that if Jürgen's approach catches on, it will significantly cut into the gravy train for people like him. Agents make their money from transfers and that is why you see these galactico types move again and again and again - with a club's supposed ambition being measure on the sheer volume of gold they are willing to shell out to get said players.

      That doesn't mean you don't want great players of course, just a certain kind of great player (and no jackasses). And again, these players have to fit into a supercharged team ethos under Klopp's direction. AS I mentioned before, a big part of that is allowing players to see out their entire contracts rather than looking at them as simply pawns in a financial game. I think the overwhelming majority of players we have sold were asking to be moved so they could play a greater role somewhere, while our regular starters have mostly been renewed or allowed to leave on a free. Put yourself in the shoes of a player with a family and that is going to be pretty meaningful and really enhance how you feel about the people you work with.

      Look at all the players who at one point were regular starters but were allowed to see out their contract and leave on a free rather than being "cashed in on."

      Alberto Moreno, Nathanael Clyne, Daniel Sturridge, Emre Can, Gini Wijnaldum and Adam Lallana. The club could have gotten something for each of these players a year earlier, but chose to let them stay and help them compete for trophies.

      Look at the guys we sold, they were nearly all players on the outskirts of the first team, either because they didn't fit Klopp's system (like Benteke) or just didn't manage to crack the starting XI.

      Christian Benteke, Danny Ings, Joe Allen, Mama Sakho, Dejan Lovren, Shaqiri, Danny Ward, Jordon Ibe and Simon Mignolet.

       You also had promising youngsters like Marko Grujic, Harry Wilson, Rhian Brewster, Ryan Kent and Kijana Hoever.

      The outlier to all of this of course if Phil Coutinho, but he is a unique situation in that he had his head turned by the sports marketing/sports agency gravy train and so Liverpool were left with no choice. It doesn't mean that the club buys players simply to sell them. With our top, starting players the pattern has been very much the opposite  - we buy them to keep them (at least for as long as they doing the business and helping promote the team's spirit. I bet if you compared our top 15 players re games played the average amount of time they have been with the club is longer than you'll see at other top clubs in England and Europe. Less turnover is a good thing. So we have guys who were here BEFORE Jürgen arrived like Henderson, Milner, Gomez, Bobby and Divock.

      Now you still need money when the time comes to bring new players in, but the funds needed to buy those players comes from a number of sources, not just from players sold. The Nike revenue, the investment from the outside capital group as well as TV and other media revenue, will make a big difference when the time comes to buy - just remember our buys will always be precise strikes in the  market, not carpet bombing in the hopes of getting one or two who stick. It's not as sexy (or simple) for some fans and journos to understand, but judging by results, the whole thing can work (and that is allowing for the bigger purchases of Virgil and Ali and the still rather large purchases of Jota, Konate, Thiago, Mo, Sadio, Ox, Gini, Fab and Keita).

      Add in some bargain buys like Robbo and Matip with young stars like Trent and hopefully Harvey Elliott and Tyler Morton and you are getting close to a well-rounded squad. It's not that it can't be improved upon, but you have to do it within this process. There's a lot of science to determine how long to sign a player for  (however long he is going to be making a difference for us. I fully expect Mo to get a renewal, but it may be that the management decide to let Sadio and Bobby see out their contracts, while lining up their replacements even now.

      It's not the way journos and their agent friends and their bung-taking mediocre English managers depict building a winner, but so often the headlines of the big transfer linger longer than the muted detailing of players/teams not living up to expectations despite spending big. The approach of our manager, which has helped refine the approach of the owners, is a much more cultured, thoughtful, and in the end, promising model to build and sustain a winning team at Liverpool in the age of the state-owned football conglomerates we compete for trophies with.


      Just an excellent post 👏👏👏👏
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      Reply #479: Jan 05, 2022 09:36:40 pm
      So my thinking is that Jürgen has a different approach to building and sustaining a winner. He sees football as a classic group effort, where the sum of the parts is greater than the individual parts (however that saying goes). He is about players playing their roles expertly (through superior and consistent training) and the intangibles of chemistry, psychology, good environment working together with all the quality play to produce something spectacular.

      This invites a recruitment approach  quite different than the agent-driven megastar hunt that tends to dominate media coverage and fan interest. Remember when Mino Raiola said Klopp was a piece of sh*t? He was mad that Jürgen wasn't allowing Balotelli back into the squad, but also because he knows that if Jürgen's approach catches on, it will significantly cut into the gravy train for people like him. Agents make their money from transfers and that is why you see these galactico types move again and again and again - with a club's supposed ambition being measure on the sheer volume of gold they are willing to shell out to get said players.

      That doesn't mean you don't want great players of course, just a certain kind of great player (and no jackasses). And again, these players have to fit into a supercharged team ethos under Klopp's direction. AS I mentioned before, a big part of that is allowing players to see out their entire contracts rather than looking at them as simply pawns in a financial game. I think the overwhelming majority of players we have sold were asking to be moved so they could play a greater role somewhere, while our regular starters have mostly been renewed or allowed to leave on a free. Put yourself in the shoes of a player with a family and that is going to be pretty meaningful and really enhance how you feel about the people you work with.

      Look at all the players who at one point were regular starters but were allowed to see out their contract and leave on a free rather than being "cashed in on."

      Alberto Moreno, Nathanael Clyne, Daniel Sturridge, Emre Can, Gini Wijnaldum and Adam Lallana. The club could have gotten something for each of these players a year earlier, but chose to let them stay and help them compete for trophies.

      Look at the guys we sold, they were nearly all players on the outskirts of the first team, either because they didn't fit Klopp's system (like Benteke) or just didn't manage to crack the starting XI.

      Christian Benteke, Danny Ings, Joe Allen, Mama Sakho, Dejan Lovren, Shaqiri, Danny Ward, Jordon Ibe and Simon Mignolet.

       You also had promising youngsters like Marko Grujic, Harry Wilson, Rhian Brewster, Ryan Kent and Kijana Hoever.

      The outlier to all of this of course if Phil Coutinho, but he is a unique situation in that he had his head turned by the sports marketing/sports agency gravy train and so Liverpool were left with no choice. It doesn't mean that the club buys players simply to sell them. With our top, starting players the pattern has been very much the opposite  - we buy them to keep them (at least for as long as they doing the business and helping promote the team's spirit. I bet if you compared our top 15 players re games played the average amount of time they have been with the club is longer than you'll see at other top clubs in England and Europe. Less turnover is a good thing. So we have guys who were here BEFORE Jürgen arrived like Henderson, Milner, Gomez, Bobby and Divock.

      Now you still need money when the time comes to bring new players in, but the funds needed to buy those players comes from a number of sources, not just from players sold. The Nike revenue, the investment from the outside capital group as well as TV and other media revenue, will make a big difference when the time comes to buy - just remember our buys will always be precise strikes in the  market, not carpet bombing in the hopes of getting one or two who stick. It's not as sexy (or simple) for some fans and journos to understand, but judging by results, the whole thing can work (and that is allowing for the bigger purchases of Virgil and Ali and the still rather large purchases of Jota, Konate, Thiago, Mo, Sadio, Ox, Gini, Fab and Keita).

      Add in some bargain buys like Robbo and Matip with young stars like Trent and hopefully Harvey Elliott and Tyler Morton and you are getting close to a well-rounded squad. It's not that it can't be improved upon, but you have to do it within this process. There's a lot of science to determine how long to sign a player for  (however long he is going to be making a difference for us. I fully expect Mo to get a renewal, but it may be that the management decide to let Sadio and Bobby see out their contracts, while lining up their replacements even now.

      It's not the way journos and their agent friends and their bung-taking mediocre English managers depict building a winner, but so often the headlines of the big transfer linger longer than the muted detailing of players/teams not living up to expectations despite spending big. The approach of our manager, which has helped refine the approach of the owners, is a much more cultured, thoughtful, and in the end, promising model to build and sustain a winning team at Liverpool in the age of the state-owned football conglomerates we compete for trophies with.

      Spot on Robby lad, well worth the read.
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      Reply #480: Jan 14, 2022 09:51:37 am
      Bellingham or someone similar is the big one for me to add to this squad.

      Chamberlain and Milner should be off this summer and likely followed by Minamino.

      Add another forward there and get Salah signed up and we're still amount the best squads in Europe.

      Still need to have an eye on the following year with Firmino and Mane progressing in years as well.
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      Reply #481: Jan 14, 2022 10:49:55 am
      Bellingham or someone similar is the big one for me to add to this squad.

      Chamberlain and Milner should be off this summer and likely followed by Minamino.

      Add another forward there and get Salah signed up and we're still amount the best squads in Europe.

      Still need to have an eye on the following year with Firmino and Mane progressing in years as well.

      You think we can go another year with Firmino and Mane going through barren runs?
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      Reply #482: Jan 14, 2022 10:52:06 am
      Bellingham or someone similar is the big one for me to add to this squad.

      Chamberlain and Milner should be off this summer and likely followed by Minamino.

      Add another forward there and get Salah signed up and we're still amount the best squads in Europe.

      Still need to have an eye on the following year with Firmino and Mane progressing in years as well.



      I think one of Mane and Bobby will leave - prob Bobby


      Midfield- Milner will leave and then it’s potentially Ox


      That would mean the club bringing in couple of mids and a forward with one of the mids being a more attacking player
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      Reply #483: Jan 14, 2022 11:06:49 am
      You think we can go another year with Firmino and Mane going through barren runs?

      One needs to move in the next year or so but Mane has 7 league goals this season. Hardly disastrous.
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      Reply #484: Jan 14, 2022 11:21:44 am
      One needs to move in the next year or so but Mane has 7 league goals this season. Hardly disastrous.

      It's not disastrous but his form isn't a league winners starting LW form. This is my gripe. The settling for less than winning. We're Liverpool FC. F***ing greatest team in the world. Why are so many of our supporters happy to settle for B grade performances? You say "he's got seven league goals" but you know, as well as I, that it's not just based on that. His overall game has declined massively.

      What would have happened to Mane in a City or Chelsea team?

      I love Mane. For the last three years I've had Mane on the back of my shirt. This isn't a biased view on him. I've realised that he's not at the level required, as a starter of a league winning team, anymore.

      Again, I stated early in the season that Mane misses too many before he scores and when games start to get tight, and there's only one chance to equalise or win, and it falls to Mane he'll miss it because he needs more than one to score. Once again, you lot slated me, and look what we've witnessed. Apart from Chelsea, when he took his first chance, big chances have fallen to him and he's missed them which have caused us to either draw or lose.

      I'm not looking for an argument, just a discussion. If you don't agree with me it's fine.
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      Reply #485: Jan 14, 2022 11:32:15 am
      It's not disastrous but his form isn't a league winners starting LW form. This is my gripe. The settling for less than winning. We're Liverpool FC. F***ing greatest team in the world. Why are so many of our supporters happy to settle for B grade performances? You say "he's got seven league goals" but you know, as well as I, that it's not just based on that. His overall game has declined massively.

      What would have happened to Mane in a City or Chelsea team?

      I love Mane. For the last three years I've had Mane on the back of my shirt. This isn't a biased view on him. I've realised that he's not at the level required, as a starter of a league winning team, anymore.

      Again, I stated early in the season that Mane misses too many before he scores and when games start to get tight, and there's only one chance to equalise or win, and it falls to Mane he'll miss it because he needs more than one to score. Once again, you lot slated me, and look what we've witnessed. Apart from Chelsea, when he took his first chance, big chances have fallen to him and he's missed them which have caused us to either draw or lose.

      I'm not looking for an argument, just a discussion. If you don't agree with me it's fine.

      He's the joint fourth highest scorer in the league just after Vardy and Jota.

      I don't see any of the other too sides LW among the top scorer charts?

      His all round form has been patchy but a little bit over exaggerated if you look at the entire season.
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      Reply #486: Jan 14, 2022 11:39:25 am
      He's the fourth highest scorer in the league just after Jota.

      I don't see any of the other too sides LW among the top scorer charts?

      His all round form has been patchy but a little bit over exaggerated if you look at the entire season.

      He's declined as the season's gone on. He's gone missing in lot of games.
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      Reply #487: Jan 14, 2022 11:44:19 am
      He's declined as the season's gone on. He's gone missing in lot of games.

      I've actually read the wrong stats, he's actually got 8 goals so apologies for that.

      Has he declined? Maybe but still far from the biggest worry we have right now.

      Still among the best in the league in his position.
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      Reply #488: Jan 14, 2022 12:12:14 pm
      I've actually read the wrong stats, he's actually got 8 goals so apologies for that.

      Has he declined? Maybe but still far from the biggest worry we have right now.

      Still among the best in the league in his position.

      I personally think his form, combined with last year, points to him being done at the highest level.

      The only thing I can really say to defend him is could it be the midfield lack so much in creativity that it's hindering his performances? But then how does Salah get so many then? And Jota. They're being fed by the same midfield.
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      Reply #489: Jan 14, 2022 01:33:37 pm
      He's declined as the season's gone on. He's gone missing in lot of games.

      Hes defo gone missing now, in another country playing for someone else. What a c**t.  :lmao:
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #490: Jan 14, 2022 01:41:03 pm
      Bellingham or someone similar is the big one for me to add to this squad.

      Chamberlain and Milner should be off this summer and likely followed by Minamino.

      Add another forward there and get Salah signed up and we're still amount the best squads in Europe.

      Still need to have an eye on the following year with Firmino and Mane progressing in years as well.

      Agree those are changes that should happen. Depending on what happens up front maybe Minamino stays as the 6thth forward which i am fine with.

      Ox needs game time and he won't get that here, so he should go. Milner is old and Jürgen stubbornly keeps starting him so he needs to go as well. I'd like to see Morton take one of the 2 spots.

      Up front i envision one of the current front 3 going which would be difficult to pick which one. Mane's speed and power in LW is hard to replace, but so would Bobby's false-9 abilities. I'd lean towards Bobby being the one let go as Jota has shown he can be very proficient in the middle.

      That means your regular starting 3 become Mane-Jota-Salah then we'd need to replace Bobby with the next Jota, ie. someone in his early 20s with potential to be a starter in a couple year's time to replace Mane.
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #491: Jan 14, 2022 01:51:54 pm
      In fairness to Millie, lads on here called it way back, he should be nowhere in sight v top 4 teams or cup semis. Its not hid fault, the boss cant help himself

      Why would Jones not start with Hendo and Fab ladt night to be the creative spark, why not give Morton even more experience by starting him last night?

      So its ok early rounds to play the kids but get to the last 4 out they go and in with the old
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      Reply #492: Jan 14, 2022 01:54:25 pm
      In fairness to Millie, lads on here called it way back, he should be nowhere in sight v top 4 teams or cup semis. Its not hid fault, the boss cant help himself

      Why would Jones not start with Hendo and Fab ladt night to be the creative spark, why not give Morton even more experience by starting him last night?

      So its ok early rounds to play the kids but get to the last 4 out they go and in with the old

      Morton is DM though, so if Fab is starting then Morton can't.

      However, brings up the point about Jürgen's rigidness with his system. Maybe we could have done a 4-2-3-1 where Fab and Morton are sitting in front of the defense, for example.

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      Reply #493: Jan 14, 2022 02:02:23 pm
      Morton is DM though, so if Fab is starting then Morton can't.

      However, brings up the point about Jürgen's rigidness with his system. Maybe we could have done a 4-2-3-1 where Fab and Morton are sitting in front of the defense, for example.



      Yeah but Morton might as well have got the experience if Milner and Fab were starting, Milners not exactly our playmaker so no harm Morton getting the nod

      And yes were far too rigid. Never do we see for example a 4 man mid were Tsimikas is pushed ahead of Robbo and Neco ahead of Trent for example or vice versa
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #494: Jan 14, 2022 04:35:59 pm
      Bellingham or someone similar is the big one for me to add to this squad.

      Brothers banging that drum, I honestly don't see us getting him in the summer.
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #495: Jan 16, 2022 05:01:57 pm
      I was just thinking during the match watching Chamberlain in the Salah position.

      What we really could do with signing this summer is a Salah lite, if you like, someone with very similar attributes maybe a younger player who'll be happy to play less and develop.

      Instead of trying to adapt when he not there we can play a similar style. I think that's what me maybe thought we bought in Shaqiri but he quickly shoes he was stronger in the midfield role
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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #496: Jan 16, 2022 05:14:54 pm
      I was just thinking during the match watching Chamberlain in the Salah position.

      What we really could do with signing this summer is a Salah lite, if you like, someone with very similar attributes maybe a younger player who'll be happy to play less and develop.

      Instead of trying to adapt when he not there we can play a similar style. I think that's what me maybe thought we bought in Shaqiri but he quickly shoes he was stronger in the midfield role

      That’s actually another area where the Elliott injury has fu**ed us over. He had previously played RW so a game like this he could have easily slotted up there instead of Ox.
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      Reply #497: Jan 16, 2022 05:40:54 pm
      That’s actually another area where the Elliott injury has fu**ed us over. He had previously played RW so a game like this he could have easily slotted up there instead of Ox.

      Yea but if Elliott is really seen now as that creative player in midfield I'd like to bring in a player that matches the profile I mentioned mate.

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      Re: First Team Squad 21/22
      Reply #498: Jan 16, 2022 06:01:46 pm
      Yea but if Elliott is really seen now as that creative player in midfield I'd like to bring in a player that matches the profile I mentioned mate.

      Oh i certainly agree that’s the profile of player we should be targeting, but that’s for the future. Elliott would have given us options today.

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