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      FIFA Ban - Brazilian Players
      Sep 08, 2021 03:49:21 pm
      https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58486811
      Eight Premier League players will be stopped from playing for their clubs this weekend after Brazilian football authorities triggered a Fifa rule to prevent them appearing.

      Liverpool, Manchester City, Chelsea, Manchester United and Leeds United will all be affected.

      Players not released for an international window can be banned for five days after the window ends under the Fifa regulations.

      The decision covers 10-14 September.

      Brazil invoked the bans after the Premier League stopped players from appearing for their country if it meant travel to red list countries.

      Players travelling to red list countries would have had to miss several games on their return because of the 10-day isolation period required under UK rules.

      In addition to missing their sides' weekend games, Chelsea defender Thiago Silva and Manchester United midfielder Fred will also not be allowed to play in their teams' opening Champions League games against Zenit St Petersburg and Young Boys next Tuesday.

      However, it is understood Brazil have not asked for Everton forward Richarlison to be prevented from featuring against Burnley on Monday. It is felt Brazil showed leniency in that specific case as Everton allowed Richarlison to play at the Olympic Games when the regulations did not force them to.

      The move also affects three Liverpool players, Roberto Firmino, Fabinho and Alisson; Manchester City pair Ederson and Gabriel Jesus; and Leeds forward Raphinha, who had been called into the Brazil squad for the first time.

      It means eight Premier League clubs will be denied players this weekend after previous moves from the Mexico, Paraguay and Chile football federations to stop Raul Jimenez, Miguel Almiron and Francisco Sierralta from playing this weekend.

      It is understood the clubs have been notified of the situation by Fifa and are now considering the situation.

      Negotiations are continuing behind the scenes and it is understood the Premier League clubs do not regard this as a fait accompli.

      Fifa president Gianni Infantino previously asked the UK government to provide players with exemptions to allow them to honour their international commitments, even if it meant them travelling to red list countries.

      It is understood the world governing body will keep pushing this given the likelihood of the same situation arising again around international fixtures in October and November.

      The Premier League are also known to be talking to stakeholders across the game to try to work out the best way forward.

      Analysis
      This move has been coming ever since it became obvious there would be no exemptions for players, as Fifa requested and the full extent of the issue is not known yet given some countries are yet to say whether or not they are triggering the rule.

      As automatic restrictions for non-release are within the Fifa rulebook, the world governing body would have to go against the demands of nations who believe they are being disadvantaged to stop the five-day rule being applied. That is not going to happen.

      As the clubs most affected, at least Liverpool and Manchester City's Champions League games next week are outside the stand-down period. And for Chelsea, there is at least the knowledge that Zenit have lost two players as well in Malcolm and Claudinho as Brazil have triggered the same rule for that duo.

      It could also be argued that keeping players back and having them miss one game is far better than letting them leave and then spend 10 days isolating, after which they would need to catch up on fitness work.

      However, with two more international breaks looming, the whole situation is unsatisfactory to say the least.

      In theory, clubs could just ignore the rule - but that would mean them playing an ineligible player, which in itself could have huge ramifications.

      What an absolute joke. Didn't FIFA set the fixture in a red country? Everton get a free pass, because "we like them". Ha.
      Utter disgrace that this is the overarching corporate body of our sport.
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      Re: FIFA Ban - Brazilian Players
      Reply #1: Sep 08, 2021 03:56:36 pm
      Tell them to go feck themselves, they couldn’t even protect their own players and the game didn’t happen, hopefully that happening will swing in our favour.
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      Re: FIFA Ban - Brazilian Players
      Reply #2: Sep 08, 2021 04:01:50 pm
      So they punish the Tottenham players for going to play the game, and ban their own Brazilian players for not going to play the game.

      It's a disgrace. The only way to meet the regulations of both countries (especially given the farcical way they cancelled the match) would be for these players to miss several weeks of club football to play one or two Brazilian fixtures.

      I hope the Brazilian players kick up a fuss and threaten to quit the squad over this. It's a joke! Otherwise this will be repeated throughout the season.
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      Re: FIFA Ban - Brazilian Players
      Reply #3: Sep 08, 2021 05:08:44 pm
      https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58486811
      Eight Premier League players will be stopped from playing for their clubs this weekend after Brazilian football authorities triggered a Fifa rule to prevent them appearing.

      Liverpool, Manchester City, Chelsea, Manchester United and Leeds United will all be affected.

      Players not released for an international window can be banned for five days after the window ends under the Fifa regulations.

      The decision covers 10-14 September.

      Brazil invoked the bans after the Premier League stopped players from appearing for their country if it meant travel to red list countries.

      Players travelling to red list countries would have had to miss several games on their return because of the 10-day isolation period required under UK rules.

      In addition to missing their sides' weekend games, Chelsea defender Thiago Silva and Manchester United midfielder Fred will also not be allowed to play in their teams' opening Champions League games against Zenit St Petersburg and Young Boys next Tuesday.

      However, it is understood Brazil have not asked for Everton forward Richarlison to be prevented from featuring against Burnley on Monday. It is felt Brazil showed leniency in that specific case as Everton allowed Richarlison to play at the Olympic Games when the regulations did not force them to.

      The move also affects three Liverpool players, Roberto Firmino, Fabinho and Alisson; Manchester City pair Ederson and Gabriel Jesus; and Leeds forward Raphinha, who had been called into the Brazil squad for the first time.

      It means eight Premier League clubs will be denied players this weekend after previous moves from the Mexico, Paraguay and Chile football federations to stop Raul Jimenez, Miguel Almiron and Francisco Sierralta from playing this weekend.

      It is understood the clubs have been notified of the situation by Fifa and are now considering the situation.

      Negotiations are continuing behind the scenes and it is understood the Premier League clubs do not regard this as a fait accompli.

      Fifa president Gianni Infantino previously asked the UK government to provide players with exemptions to allow them to honour their international commitments, even if it meant them travelling to red list countries.

      It is understood the world governing body will keep pushing this given the likelihood of the same situation arising again around international fixtures in October and November.

      The Premier League are also known to be talking to stakeholders across the game to try to work out the best way forward.

      Analysis
      This move has been coming ever since it became obvious there would be no exemptions for players, as Fifa requested and the full extent of the issue is not known yet given some countries are yet to say whether or not they are triggering the rule.

      As automatic restrictions for non-release are within the Fifa rulebook, the world governing body would have to go against the demands of nations who believe they are being disadvantaged to stop the five-day rule being applied. That is not going to happen.

      As the clubs most affected, at least Liverpool and Manchester City's Champions League games next week are outside the stand-down period. And for Chelsea, there is at least the knowledge that Zenit have lost two players as well in Malcolm and Claudinho as Brazil have triggered the same rule for that duo.

      It could also be argued that keeping players back and having them miss one game is far better than letting them leave and then spend 10 days isolating, after which they would need to catch up on fitness work.

      However, with two more international breaks looming, the whole situation is unsatisfactory to say the least.

      In theory, clubs could just ignore the rule - but that would mean them playing an ineligible player, which in itself could have huge ramifications.

      What an absolute joke. Didn't FIFA set the fixture in a red country? Everton get a free pass, because "we like them". Ha.
      Utter disgrace that this is the overarching corporate body of our sport.

      Everton get a pass cos they let the shithouse go to the olympics.
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      Re: FIFA Ban - Brazilian Players
      Reply #4: Sep 08, 2021 05:11:02 pm
      Won't be surprised if this doesn't end up at CAS as this will come up again
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      Re: FIFA Ban - Brazilian Players
      Reply #5: Sep 08, 2021 05:11:36 pm
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      Reply #6: Sep 09, 2021 07:57:37 am
      Tell FIFA to f**k off, what they gonna do ? Our own FA should grow a pair and tell them exactly that, our own players are and will be tested regularly and I’m sure will be pretty honest if they felt unwell, f**k FIFA, useless bunch of wankers !!






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      Re: FIFA Ban - Brazilian Players
      Reply #7: Sep 09, 2021 08:27:13 am
      Alisson has started 1 of the last 8 games gor Brazil. Fab is behind Fred. For those reasons slone they should both tell Braxil to shove the ban up their arse and that they are no longer available for selection.

      Stupidest thing ive heatd in a long time this snd football throws up a lot of stupid things
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      Reply #8: Sep 09, 2021 09:30:25 am
      Don't understand this crap at all. We pay the players wages for f**k sake. Surely there can be some resolution to this. Absolute madness.
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      Reply #9: Sep 09, 2021 10:22:59 am
      For many sheep across the globe this is the 'new normal'. Once Nuremburg 2.0 trials are complete then this hoax can end. People's lives are being stripped away here. Crimes against humanity.

      God Bless Everyone.
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      Reply #10: Sep 09, 2021 10:44:31 am
      We pay their wages not FIFA, just play them and stick two fingers up to the corrupt FIFA.
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      Reply #11: Sep 09, 2021 11:03:17 am
      WTF !!! Would be nuts if the Brazilian lads can't play. F**k-off FIFA. And Brazil ! The poxy game never even went ahead against Messis mob,
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      Re: FIFA Ban - Brazilian Players
      Reply #12: Sep 09, 2021 12:40:14 pm
      Liverpool and Leeds should just play their Brazilians, Fifa can't give both clubs a forfeit loss (just assuming that would be the punishment)
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      Reply #13: Sep 09, 2021 12:59:13 pm
      Its not Liverpool related and I’m not 100% on the score with Raphinha but from what I can gather is, he was called up to the Brazil side and I think Leeds were going to allow him to play but the player himself turned down the call up so as a result Brazil want him banned too. I believe Raphinha is also eligible to play for Italy, so maybe he’s holding out for a call up from them. Either way, Brazil are making themselves look like fools.
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      Reply #14: Sep 09, 2021 04:56:05 pm
      The return of Adrian. Great news.
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      Reply #15: Sep 09, 2021 05:02:04 pm
      For many sheep across the globe this is the 'new normal'. Once Nuremburg 2.0 trials are complete then this hoax can end. People's lives are being stripped away here. Crimes against humanity.

      God Bless Everyone.

      It's literally a rule that's been in place for a few years now.

      F**k all to do with tin hat sh*te.
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      Reply #16: Sep 09, 2021 05:02:27 pm
      The return of Adrian. Great news.

      Kelleher if he isn't injured.
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      Reply #17: Sep 09, 2021 05:06:31 pm

      I bloody hope so. That pic of Adrian catching his defenders head instead of the ball sums him up nicely.
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      Reply #18: Sep 09, 2021 05:21:34 pm
      The return of Adrian. Great news.

      Had you lot! down for a 3-1 win, not so sure now.
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      Reply #19: Sep 09, 2021 08:30:06 pm
      Had you lot! down for a 3-1 win, not so sure now.

      He literally changes the whole scope of this game if gets anywhere near our starting lineup.
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      Re: FIFA Ban - Brazilian Players
      Reply #20: Sep 09, 2021 08:31:24 pm
      Disgraceful behaviour from the Brazilian FA. Majority of these players have been fantastic servants down the years and won trophies for their country. Now their country has decided to punish them for a situation which is very much out of their control.

      Maybe I'm blinded here by the fact that I think International footy is sh*te and don't give a f**k about my national team, but if I was one of the players in question I'd be telling the FA to stuff it and retiring from international football - or at least threatening to do so unless they changed their position. Which I'm pretty sure they would, considering they'd be heading into a World Cup year with a good chunk of their first 11 missing.

      Why would anybody want to play for an international side that will stick the boot in and deliberately try and sabotage your own club career at the drop of a hat? Without showing an ounce of consideration for the predicament you may find yourself in. F**k that off. They'd be getting told to do one
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      Re: FIFA Ban - Brazilian Players
      Reply #21: Sep 10, 2021 01:50:33 am
      Liverpool will hand debuts to three academy products when they take on Leeds at Elland Road this Sunday afternoon. Larry Smith, John Johnson and Frank Murphy will all make their Premier League bows.
      Youth
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      “I’m delighted for the boys,” Jürgen Klopp told Soccer on Sunday.
      “Franky, Johno and Lar are wonderful 17 year-old kids who just happen to look way, way older. Sorry we forgot to ever mention them before. Not sure what happened there, but what’s important now is that journalists don’t do any digging.”
      “For sure, all three will start,” said the German. “Then I’ll probably take them out of the limelight for a long time after the Leeds game. You have to protect young players, and hope everybody forgets about them.”
      “No, probably not,” added Klopp, when asked if the suspended trio of Fabinho, Firmino and Alisson will attend Sunday’s game. “They don’t get on with Franky, Johno and Lar. Bit of a powder keg, so best keep them apart.”






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      Re: FIFA Ban - Brazilian Players
      Reply #22: Sep 10, 2021 08:09:34 am
      Liverpool will hand debuts to three academy products when they take on Leeds at Elland Road this Sunday afternoon. Larry Smith, John Johnson and Frank Murphy will all make their Premier League bows.
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      “I’m delighted for the boys,” Jürgen Klopp told Soccer on Sunday.
      “Franky, Johno and Lar are wonderful 17 year-old kids who just happen to look way, way older. Sorry we forgot to ever mention them before. Not sure what happened there, but what’s important now is that journalists don’t do any digging.”
      “For sure, all three will start,” said the German. “Then I’ll probably take them out of the limelight for a long time after the Leeds game. You have to protect young players, and hope everybody forgets about them.”
      “No, probably not,” added Klopp, when asked if the suspended trio of Fabinho, Firmino and Alisson will attend Sunday’s game. “They don’t get on with Franky, Johno and Lar. Bit of a powder keg, so best keep them apart.”






       :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

      The least looking Murphy Ive ever seen 😅😅
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      Re: FIFA Ban - Brazilian Players
      Reply #23: Sep 10, 2021 09:09:41 am
      Liverpool and Leeds should just play their Brazilians, Fifa can't give both clubs a forfeit loss (just assuming that would be the punishment)

      Exactly, apparently it’s a fine and a 3-0 forfeit to the team who play the banned player! Just come to an agreement with Leeds that both teams play the banned players and let FIFA sort that out! FIFA rival Boris for total incompetence, as for Brazilian FA, they’re a joke.
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      Reply #24: Sep 10, 2021 09:10:41 am
      The return of Adrian. Great news.

      Didn't think Kelleher was injured?
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      Reply #25: Sep 10, 2021 09:34:29 am
      3 big losses really. Just a very silly scenario all around. Who wins? Nobody.
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      Reply #26: Sep 10, 2021 09:50:39 am
      I prefer it this way rather inflicting our squad with Covid.

      They are an arse but all of knew what was coming.
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      Reply #27: Sep 10, 2021 11:25:56 am
      Didn't think Kelleher was injured?

      I'm planning for the worst possible scenario.
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      Reply #28: Sep 10, 2021 12:12:08 pm
      I'm planning for the worst possible scenario.

      Indeed. Forgot about your positive outlook on things. :f_tongueincheek: ;D
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      Reply #29: Sep 10, 2021 03:36:20 pm
      Indeed. Forgot about your positive outlook on things. :f_tongueincheek: ;D

      😂

      Plan for the worst and hope for the best
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      Reply #30: Sep 10, 2021 04:48:19 pm
      I prefer it this way rather inflicting our squad with Covid.

      They are an arse but all of knew what was coming.

      The other way to look at is if they had gone, they'd miss about 3 games having to quarantining when returning.
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      Reply #31: Sep 10, 2021 05:26:21 pm
      Mexico and Paraguay were going down the same route as Brazil, but they have now withdrawn it and allowing Jimenez and Almiron to play. Another thing that goes against Brazil if other nations aren't following suit.
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      Reply #32: Sep 10, 2021 05:34:05 pm
      Surely FIFA have no right to ban players, turning out for their clubs, who pay their wages ! How can they legally enforce such a rule ?
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      Reply #33: Sep 10, 2021 06:53:51 pm
      This isn't on all the clubs involved should band together and play the players involved and sod FIFA
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      Reply #34: Sep 10, 2021 07:45:49 pm
      If this pathetic ban is upheld then surely we can request Brazil fa to pay the players wages during the period, what are our 3 on about half a million a week between them let alone the other clubs players

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      Reply #35: Sep 10, 2021 08:17:27 pm
      Why is anyone surprised when a corrupt institution exerts its authoritative powers over its submissive flock; the same flock who enabled this corrupt institution to metastasize.

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      Reply #36: Sep 10, 2021 08:32:54 pm
      Just hoping the lads who weren't on international duty are fit and raring the go. We didn't see enough of it last season. Hopefully we get a better response this time around. Leeds will be a feisty one I think. No mugs on their day.
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      Reply #37: Sep 10, 2021 09:18:31 pm
      We should beat Leeds anyway. It's not like we play Everton or United or City where it would hurt us much more. Don't complain, compete!  :kop5cf8koxp6:
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      Reply #38: Sep 10, 2021 10:20:02 pm
      Surely FIFA have no right to ban players, turning out for their clubs, who pay their wages ! How can they legally enforce such a rule ?

      Do you really think FIFA cares about petty details such as 'rules' and 'laws'?  :roll: :roll:
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      Reply #39: Sep 10, 2021 10:57:50 pm
      We should beat Leeds anyway. It's not like we play Everton or United or City where it would hurt us much more. Don't complain, compete!  :kop5cf8koxp6:

      Don't you remember the two games last season? Both tough and close.

      Leeds have not played well so far this season though, maybe crowds are adding pressure for them.
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      Reply #40: Sep 10, 2021 11:09:45 pm
      Leeds may well put up a decent fight, although should still be able to field a strong enough side, to secure all three points.
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      Reply #41: Sep 10, 2021 11:18:22 pm
      Brazil and the other genius countries FAs that were involved all agreed to waive the ban so Fab and Ali are cleared to play.
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      Reply #42: Sep 11, 2021 12:58:24 am
      All good to play! Get the f**k in!!!!
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      Reply #43: Sep 11, 2021 02:56:44 am
      We should beat Leeds anyway. It's not like we play Everton or United or City where it would hurt us much more. Don't complain, compete!  :kop5cf8koxp6:

      Hahahahahahahahahahaha Everton!!!!!!!



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      Reply #44: Sep 11, 2021 04:32:44 am
      All good to play! Get the f**k in!!!!

      You broke the story for me. Very good news.
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      Reply #45: Sep 11, 2021 09:25:28 am
      More games only a month away be interesting to see what happens if this crops up again around quarantine
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      Reply #46: Sep 11, 2021 05:06:32 pm
      Some common sense shown at last ! By lifting this idiotic ban.
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      Reply #47: Sep 11, 2021 09:50:18 pm
      Some common sense shown at last ! By lifting this idiotic ban.

      I'm not sure this is more than a temporary reprieve. Those federations and FIFA aren't going to allow clubs to continue withholding their top players. I think the clubs and EPL are trying to get some kind of exception granted by the UK government. If they can't get it I don't think we'll be able to keep the players going forward without some consequence.
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      Reply #48: Sep 13, 2021 07:38:04 pm
      Quote from adammac
      Liverpool and Leeds should just play their Brazilians, Fifa can't give both clubs a forfeit loss (just assuming that would be the punishment)

      Club fans may not care about international football, but players do. Alisson is as passionate to play for his country as Andy Robertson is for his. They are tested and many are already vaccinated. There was no reason for them not to go, as they are in a bubble and no threat to public health. Maybe the EPL will have learned their lesson by the time this issue crops up again, as it will very soon. The red list issues are unlikely to change much by then.
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      Reply #49: Sep 13, 2021 07:40:25 pm

      Club fans may not care about international football, but players do. Alisson is as passionate to play for his country as Andy Robertson is for his. They are tested and many are already vaccinated. There was no reason for them not to go, as they are in a bubble and no threat to public health. Maybe the EPL will have learned their lesson by the time this issue crops up again, as it will very soon. The red list issues are unlikely to change much by then.

      It's all well and good saying they should have sent but it's not football rules that would have affected them but government Isolation guidelines.
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      Reply #50: Sep 25, 2021 07:05:51 am
      So lots of players called up again for Brazil next month.
      Talks going on behind the scenes to resolve the issues that resulted in the farce of the last international break.

      But even so, we are due to be without Allison and Fabinho for the Watford game as the Brazil fixture is the day before our Watford game.

      So I’m hoping they don’t resolve anything and we keep the players back.

      What a joke.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58672070
      David Wright
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      Re: FIFA Ban - Brazilian Players
      Reply #51: Sep 25, 2021 10:40:35 am
      Ludicrous to my mind, to ban any player turning out for their club. FIFA seem to be a law unto themselves !
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      Re: FIFA Ban - Brazilian Players
      Reply #52: Sep 25, 2021 11:19:56 am
      What a joke FIFA are. We should tell them to shove any bans up their backsides.

      Finally worked out what the FIFA acronym stands for. Fcucking Idiots Forever Arseholes.
      AlwaysTheKop
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      Re: FIFA Ban - Brazilian Players
      Reply #53: Sep 25, 2021 11:32:51 am
      Sick of international drama, just f**king do one with these sh*t unnecessary internationals.
      tezmac
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      Re: FIFA Ban - Brazilian Players
      Reply #54: Sep 25, 2021 12:28:33 pm
      And the cu*ts want the world cup every 2 years. What happened to less games

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