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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #25: Sep 10, 2021 10:26:21 am
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      I would play AOC because he had full two weeks of training. I would rest Elliott and Keita for UCL.

      Swap Henderson and Thiago around and that's what I'd go for as well.

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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #26: Sep 10, 2021 03:02:55 pm
      Swap Henderson and Thiago around and that's what I'd go for as well.



      Fine for me, and definitely Thiago has a better chance to score than Jordan.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #27: Sep 10, 2021 03:19:12 pm
      Ive changed my mind, all the talk of VVD being 100% cant see him being rested now. ;D.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #28: Sep 10, 2021 05:17:15 pm
      They snatched a late draw from us last season if I remember right. Be good to smash them like the Mancs did, I'm sure they wont be playing that bad though so can see it being a close game.

      Midfield is anyone's guess but I'd probably go with Thiago, Hendo and Elliott based on the current uncertainty with Fabinho.The defence will likely pick itself, can't see any changes to the CB pairing until the Norwich game. The attack picks itself too.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #29: Sep 11, 2021 01:00:23 am
      All Brazilian lads cleared to play, great news!!
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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #30: Sep 11, 2021 02:54:38 am
      They snatched a late draw from us last season if I remember right. Be good to smash them

       A bit of revenge in all honesty, here's a piece from Paul Joyce in The Times, that first paragraph should be remembered by every player on Sunday and ram it back down their throats.


      The last time Liverpool arrived at Elland Road, they were headed down a dead end.
      The European Super League had been launched the previous day and, as the first of the co-conspirators to step into the spotlight, they would bear the brunt of a vitriolic backlash.
      Jürgen Klopp and his squad were abused in Leeds city centre on their pre-match walkabout on April 19, berated as “greedy bas**rds” by strangers in the street, while upon reaching the stadium the buses ferrying the Liverpool team were charged at by home fans.
      The visitors’ mood did not improve once inside the sanctuary of the changing room. The Leeds kitman had laid out T-shirts on every peg, with a pointed message towards the closed-shop principles of the Super League. On the front, they bore the slogan: ‘Champions League: Earn it’. On the reverse, the message read: ‘Football is for the fans’.
      Klopp was infuriated that a decision made by owner Fenway Sports Group without his, or his players’ knowledge, resulted everyone at the club being painted as villains. The T-shirts were hastily dumped in a pile outside the dressing room door and the co-ordinated tweets from the first team the following day — “We don’t like it and we don’t want it to happen” — confirmed the death knell for Liverpool’s collusion.
      On Sunday, Liverpool return to face Leeds United. Exactly where Liverpool and FSG find themselves five months on from the Super League debacle is complex.
      The squalid episode, killed off within 48 hours, stings a little more for Liverpool than the other Premier League plotters. The intervening months have highlighted how attention spans are short. For a proposal deemed to be rooted in greed, the antidote for many clubs has been lavish spending and on-field success.
      Manchester United have largely silenced the outcry by recruiting Raphaël Varane, Jadon Sancho and now Cristiano Ronaldo. Sky Sports pundit Jamie Redknapp cut to the heart of the matter recently, asking Gary Neville what he thought of the signings and pointedly adding: “I mean, you and your mates wanted to burn the stadium down last year with the Glazers!”
      Chelsea spent £97.5 million on Romelu Lukaku to embellish a squad that won the Champions League six weeks after supporters took to the streets around Stamford Bridge to protest against their involvement in the Super League. Manchester City spent £100 million on Jack Grealish. Arsenal, now bottom of the table, have different problems to those caused by the Super League and Tottenham have found welcome distractions in fending off City’s interest in Harry Kane and topping the table under new manager Nuno Espírito Santo.
      However, the ripple effects continue to be felt at Anfield. The European Super League may be dead but a financial super league continues to emerge, dominated essentially by Paris Saint-Germain and City. Manchester United’s commercial income allows them to be a member and though Chelsea have skilfully balanced the books, offloading academy graduates to fund incoming signings, they still have the deep pockets of owner Roman Abramovich in which to rummage around.
      Liverpool sit in a tier below. There has been no extravagant transfer spending with the outlay of £36 million on Ibrahima Konaté, signalling a determination to wait in order to bolster the backline with the right player, rather than a player, regardless of the pain injuries to defenders caused in the interim.
      The priority has fallen on contract renewals, hugely expensive in their own right. It is indisputable that Liverpool have added quality in Diogo Jota and Thiago Alcântara [£61 million combined], and potential in Konaté, to the squad which won the title in imperious fashion in 2020.
      However, whether that is enough fuels an ongoing debate. FSG’s model of self-sustainability, and adherence to seemingly defunct Financial Fair Play rules, has brought Liverpool huge success in recent seasons with the Champions League triumph before the Premier League.
      Yet as Swiss Ramble, the excellent football finance analyst, outlined this week, it is a model that has come under strain. Revenue growth has been swallowed by higher costs, including wages that have grown £197 million since 2011. They are now the second highest in the top flight at £326 million behind Man City, £351 million. It has also been calculated Liverpool could have lost around £152 million over the past two, Covid-disrupted seasons.
      Such financial hits do nothing to lessen the expectation that always swirls among supporters. The demand is that they must compete and, in the main, they have done just that thanks to Klopp and clever recruitment. Still, the concern they could be left behind was, clearly, at the heart of FSG’s attraction to the Super League in the first place.
      Further to the €200 million - €300 million ‘welcome bonus’ outlined in the proposals, there was the prospect of new income streams to plunder. Tap into those and FSG would continue to back the people working on the ground each day to outsmart their rivals, although sporting director Michael Edwards’s contract is due to expire at the end of this season and Klopp’s in 2024.
      Outrage to the plan among supporters was unequivocal. Liverpool had won everything by being the best team, doing so with sporting integrity. Now FSG was prepared to sign up to a proposal which removed that basic principle.
      Something must now change, however, if calls for increased investment in the team, or the belief Mohamed Salah should be handed whatever size contract he craves during talks on his extension, are to be answered.
      Liverpool’s finances suggest there is not too much room for flexibility, but FSG should be considering how they maintain the club’s standing even if none of the immediate solutions appear particularly palatable.
      Taking on debt is one way, they could choose to indulge in a financial arms race they are unlikely to win when pitted against state-owned clubs and then there is selling up, although there is no suggestion of that.
      Klopp and his players led the way out of that dead end, but for FSG a crossroads now looms.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #31: Sep 11, 2021 04:39:22 am
      A bit of revenge in all honesty, here's a piece from Paul Joyce in The Times, that first paragraph should be remembered by every player on Sunday and ram it back down their throats.


      The last time Liverpool arrived at Elland Road, they were headed down a dead end.
      The European Super League had been launched the previous day and, as the first of the co-conspirators to step into the spotlight, they would bear the brunt of a vitriolic backlash.
      Jürgen Klopp and his squad were abused in Leeds city centre on their pre-match walkabout on April 19, berated as “greedy bas**rds” by strangers in the street, while upon reaching the stadium the buses ferrying the Liverpool team were charged at by home fans.
      The visitors’ mood did not improve once inside the sanctuary of the changing room. The Leeds kitman had laid out T-shirts on every peg, with a pointed message towards the closed-shop principles of the Super League. On the front, they bore the slogan: ‘Champions League: Earn it’. On the reverse, the message read: ‘Football is for the fans’.
      Klopp was infuriated that a decision made by owner Fenway Sports Group without his, or his players’ knowledge, resulted everyone at the club being painted as villains. The T-shirts were hastily dumped in a pile outside the dressing room door and the co-ordinated tweets from the first team the following day — “We don’t like it and we don’t want it to happen” — confirmed the death knell for Liverpool’s collusion.
      On Sunday, Liverpool return to face Leeds United. Exactly where Liverpool and FSG find themselves five months on from the Super League debacle is complex.
      The squalid episode, killed off within 48 hours, stings a little more for Liverpool than the other Premier League plotters. The intervening months have highlighted how attention spans are short. For a proposal deemed to be rooted in greed, the antidote for many clubs has been lavish spending and on-field success.
      Manchester United have largely silenced the outcry by recruiting Raphaël Varane, Jadon Sancho and now Cristiano Ronaldo. Sky Sports pundit Jamie Redknapp cut to the heart of the matter recently, asking Gary Neville what he thought of the signings and pointedly adding: “I mean, you and your mates wanted to burn the stadium down last year with the Glazers!”
      Chelsea spent £97.5 million on Romelu Lukaku to embellish a squad that won the Champions League six weeks after supporters took to the streets around Stamford Bridge to protest against their involvement in the Super League. Manchester City spent £100 million on Jack Grealish. Arsenal, now bottom of the table, have different problems to those caused by the Super League and Tottenham have found welcome distractions in fending off City’s interest in Harry Kane and topping the table under new manager Nuno Espírito Santo.
      However, the ripple effects continue to be felt at Anfield. The European Super League may be dead but a financial super league continues to emerge, dominated essentially by Paris Saint-Germain and City. Manchester United’s commercial income allows them to be a member and though Chelsea have skilfully balanced the books, offloading academy graduates to fund incoming signings, they still have the deep pockets of owner Roman Abramovich in which to rummage around.
      Liverpool sit in a tier below. There has been no extravagant transfer spending with the outlay of £36 million on Ibrahima Konaté, signalling a determination to wait in order to bolster the backline with the right player, rather than a player, regardless of the pain injuries to defenders caused in the interim.
      The priority has fallen on contract renewals, hugely expensive in their own right. It is indisputable that Liverpool have added quality in Diogo Jota and Thiago Alcântara [£61 million combined], and potential in Konaté, to the squad which won the title in imperious fashion in 2020.
      However, whether that is enough fuels an ongoing debate. FSG’s model of self-sustainability, and adherence to seemingly defunct Financial Fair Play rules, has brought Liverpool huge success in recent seasons with the Champions League triumph before the Premier League.
      Yet as Swiss Ramble, the excellent football finance analyst, outlined this week, it is a model that has come under strain. Revenue growth has been swallowed by higher costs, including wages that have grown £197 million since 2011. They are now the second highest in the top flight at £326 million behind Man City, £351 million. It has also been calculated Liverpool could have lost around £152 million over the past two, Covid-disrupted seasons.
      Such financial hits do nothing to lessen the expectation that always swirls among supporters. The demand is that they must compete and, in the main, they have done just that thanks to Klopp and clever recruitment. Still, the concern they could be left behind was, clearly, at the heart of FSG’s attraction to the Super League in the first place.
      Further to the €200 million - €300 million ‘welcome bonus’ outlined in the proposals, there was the prospect of new income streams to plunder. Tap into those and FSG would continue to back the people working on the ground each day to outsmart their rivals, although sporting director Michael Edwards’s contract is due to expire at the end of this season and Klopp’s in 2024.
      Outrage to the plan among supporters was unequivocal. Liverpool had won everything by being the best team, doing so with sporting integrity. Now FSG was prepared to sign up to a proposal which removed that basic principle.
      Something must now change, however, if calls for increased investment in the team, or the belief Mohamed Salah should be handed whatever size contract he craves during talks on his extension, are to be answered.
      Liverpool’s finances suggest there is not too much room for flexibility, but FSG should be considering how they maintain the club’s standing even if none of the immediate solutions appear particularly palatable.
      Taking on debt is one way, they could choose to indulge in a financial arms race they are unlikely to win when pitted against state-owned clubs and then there is selling up, although there is no suggestion of that.
      Klopp and his players led the way out of that dead end, but for FSG a crossroads now looms.

      What is he going on about at the end? We are not going to start taking on debt.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #32: Sep 11, 2021 11:50:32 am
                                   Ali
      Taa              Matip    Virg           Robbo

      Hendo                 Fab                 Thiago

         
      Mo                      Jota                 Mane

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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #33: Sep 11, 2021 03:23:08 pm
      What is he going on about at the end? We are not going to start taking on debt.


      I don't know, stopped reading after the Redknapp quote.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #34: Sep 11, 2021 07:50:44 pm
      All Brazilian lads cleared to play, great news!!

      Definitely, good to have that out of the way and have the lads start.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #35: Sep 11, 2021 07:56:12 pm
               Alisson
      TAA Matip VVD Robbo
       Hendo Fab Elliot
       Salah Jota Mane

      Back 5 picks itself.
      Fab and Hendo too, and the front 3 [not sure Bob is fully ready?]

      Only question I think is the last midfield spot.
      I'd probably go Elliot. Looks up for it, plenty of energy and is positive.
      Thiago imho looked rusty when he came on as a sub last time out.
      Keita might be in with a shout - even though left out of the Chelsea match, might be in with a chance in this away game. But not sure Jürgen fancies him.
      AOC, can't see it.
      If Jones was match fit, he'd be my pick, but don't think he's nearly ready yet.

      Need the win, end of.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #36: Sep 11, 2021 08:34:59 pm
      A win and three points, is what matters most. After the latest meaningless International break.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #37: Sep 12, 2021 12:18:45 am
      All the "Big Boys" won, our turn tonight.

      Cannot afford to drop off the pace, even for a split second!

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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #38: Sep 12, 2021 09:36:34 am
      All the "Big Boys" won, our turn tonight.

      Cannot afford to drop off the pace, even for a split second!

      Yes, we need to score five goals to outdo the team which scored four. Can’t afford to fall behind. We need four points to outdo those who got three.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #39: Sep 12, 2021 09:48:41 am
      A must win game at Leeds today, after yesterday's results. I am sure Leeds will put up a fight as usual. Although the Reds should come out on top, with the quality of players in the side.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #40: Sep 12, 2021 11:36:36 am
      Every game is a must win game, we have to assume that those who are closest will win so therefore  we ‘must’ win too, it just so happens we are last out this weekend unless you want to count blueshite & Burnley into the equation,

      Leeds, dirty or not will be tough opponents as they usually are, buoyed by a toxic home support which most would say will lift them will be even tougher, however, Bielsa likes to use a kind of man marking system where each player has to look after a opponent, in a 3-3-3-1 format, that can work in our favour too if we can widen the pitch and get in behind, I think we have the quality to do just that using Virgil with his long accurate passing ability alongside having a stronger more creative midfield aka Thiago/Harvey, and linking up with Trent on the right and Robbo with Mane on the left,

      As good as Leeds can be even at their best I still think we will have too much for them, but it is all on the day and how well we play, if we play anywhere near our best I’d say it’s almost inevitable we get the three points, but slightly off kilter gives them unwanted encouragement.


                                         Alisson
                        Trent    Matip.  Virgil.   Robbo
                            Hendo.           Fabinho
                                       Thiago
                          Salah.       Jota.       Mane


      I think this is one of our strongest X1’s we will field this season, but that will depend on who we are facing, the good thing is we have options we didn’t have last season, I’ve noticed like most how Trent seems to drift inside more when wee Harvey plays, so it will interesting if the same applies with Thiago, also don’t forget we have a better height advantage that we missed last season too, both in defence and attack, I’m excited by how we can play there won’t be many who will cope with the intensity we can produce, Chavs did only because it was early in the season and our fitness levels weren’t at there optimum, let’s see if Dirty Leeds can ?



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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #41: Sep 12, 2021 11:56:16 am
      Every game is a must win game, we have to assume that those who are closest will win so therefore  we ‘must’ win too, it just so happens we are last out this weekend unless you want to count blueshite & Burnley into the equation,

      Leeds, dirty or not will be tough opponents as they usually are, buoyed by a toxic home support which most would say will lift them will be even tougher, however, Bielsa likes to use a kind of man marking system where each player has to look after a opponent, in a 3-3-3-1 format, that can work in our favour too if we can widen the pitch and get in behind, I think we have the quality to do just that using Virgil with his long accurate passing ability alongside having a stronger more creative midfield aka Thiago/Harvey, and linking up with Trent on the right and Robbo with Mane on the left,

      As good as Leeds can be even at their best I still think we will have too much for them, but it is all on the day and how well we play, if we play anywhere near our best I’d say it’s almost inevitable we get the three points, but slightly off kilter gives them unwanted encouragement.


                                         Alisson
                        Trent    Matip.  Virgil.   Robbo
                            Hendo.           Fabinho
                                       Thiago
                          Salah.       Jota.       Mane


      I think this is one of our strongest X1’s we will field this season, but that will depend on who we are facing, the good thing is we have options we didn’t have last season, I’ve noticed like most how Trent seems to drift inside more when wee Harvey plays, so it will interesting if the same applies with Thiago, also don’t forget we have a better height advantage that we missed last season too, both in defence and attack, I’m excited by how we can play there won’t be many who will cope with the intensity we can produce, Chavs did only because it was early in the season and our fitness levels weren’t at there optimum, let’s see if Dirty Leeds can ?



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      I like your team with the Brazilians back. I really hope to run over them. Their stadium is be buzzing, we need to shut them down.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #42: Sep 12, 2021 12:17:24 pm
      Looking forward to this whoever plays.

      Win Win Win.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #43: Sep 12, 2021 12:30:51 pm
      It's a must win but to win the league pretty much every game is a must win as the guys above have said.

      Can't wait for this one and feels like ages since we last played.

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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #44: Sep 12, 2021 12:41:46 pm
      Alisson
                        Trent    Matip.  Virgil.   Robbo
                            Hendo.           Fabinho
                                       Thiago
                          Salah.       Jota.       Mane

      Good to see you have Robbo in the mix, but if his crossing and corners are as woeful as against the Chavs, get Tsimikas on at halftime. Also, see how Thiago is doing, and if not very good, get young Harvey on, but make the changes while theres still time to have an impact.
      Leeds do try to play decent footy, and its a tough game. They've not been on top form so far, so we should have enough to win. An early goal would shut the muppets up in the crowd. Cant wait now, but a bit nervous for some reason. 0 - 2 I'm thinking, after a hard fought game. Win by 4 clear and we go top  :aaliverpool2xt1: :aaliverpool2xt1: :aaliverpool2xt1: COME ON YOU RED MEN !
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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #45: Sep 12, 2021 01:30:38 pm
      Don’t think anyone hoping to win the league can afford to drop points in back to back games this season, we missed a chance for the 3 points against the Chavs, can’t afford to drop more points today. We need to move the ball a lot quicker and be more incisive than we were in the 2nd half vs the Chavs and hopefully Trent actually makes some overlapping runs this time, not sure why he wasn’t doing that last time out.
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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #46: Sep 12, 2021 03:21:57 pm
      Thiago -Fab - Elliott apparently 
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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #47: Sep 12, 2021 03:23:56 pm
      Thiago -Fab - Elliott apparently 

      Wow.

      Harvey really has the faith of the boss. Fantastic
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      Re: Pre-Match: Leeds vs Liverpool [Sun 12th of September 4:30pm]
      Reply #48: Sep 12, 2021 03:24:58 pm
      Wow.

      Harvey really has the faith of the boss. Fantastic

      I'm now sure I like both him and Salah to the right in the long run
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      Reply #49: Sep 12, 2021 03:31:04 pm
      Lets go reds!

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