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      Re: Jude Bellingham (Dortmund)
      Reply #1196: Jun 07, 2023 08:01:59 pm
      Not sure it “cost us top 4” - took a lot more than not signing one player

      And it certainly didn’t cost us the title the season before as well

      Where did I say one player? We didn't replace Gini in 2021 and compounded the error by not signing a midfielder in 2022. Anyway, I think this discussion is pretty much redundant if you don't think the lack of midfield reinforcements cost us a place in the four. For me it was the root of pretty much everything wrong last year.
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      Reply #1197: Jun 07, 2023 08:04:09 pm
      Where did I say one player? We didn't replace Gini in 2021 and compounded the error by not signing a midfielder in 2022. Anyway, I think this discussion is pretty much redundant if you don't think the lack of midfield reinforcements cost us a place in the four. For me it was the root of pretty much everything wrong last year.

      In 2021 we won two trophies and just missed out on the other two not because we didn’t replace Gini

      And we didn’t get into top 4 because our back line was poor , we lost multiple players through injuries, and had many others running on empty and out of form

      It wasn’t because we didn’t sigh a midfielder
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      Reply #1198: Jun 07, 2023 08:08:19 pm
      Still hanging your hat on that, i see. Even though last summer we were in on Tchouameni who simply decided to go somewhere else.

      https://www.empireofthekop.com/2022/08/31/klopp-tchouameni-fresh-transfer-claim/

      "We were going for a midfielder who decided to go to another club, which can happen"

      Guess Jürgen lied to us


      I said we did nothing in midfield for two years.

      We didn't do anything in midfield for two years - showing interest in someone is not the same as signing someone.

      Why didn't we go to another midfielder after he turned us down? Like we went to Jota after Werner? Or how we went to Robertson after we couldn't do a deal for Chilwell? This bit I will admit is speculation but I suspect it's because we thought we could get away with it for another year and sign Jude but we underestimated the decline of our current crop.

      Either way though, showing interest in a midfielder that we didn't end up signing doesn't change the fact we messed up the midfield situation. Let's just hope we have learnt from our mistakes and have some backups for Mount sorted so we can get some more midfielders in before pre-season.
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      Reply #1199: Jun 07, 2023 08:09:45 pm
      In 2021 we won two trophies and just missed out on the other two not because we didn’t replace Gini

      And we didn’t get into top 4 because our back line was poor , we lost multiple players through injuries, and had many others running on empty and out of form

      It wasn’t because we didn’t sigh a midfielder

      Yup. Basically everyone associated with the club not named Alisson had a subpar season, whether it be personal performance, unable to stay healthy or making tactical adjustments. It wasn't simply because we didn't bring in 1 midfielder.

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      Reply #1200: Jun 07, 2023 08:13:58 pm
      I think those in the club thought that midfield had one more season in them.

      Many Iof us including myself thought the same but this season showed us it was a mistake.

      I still don't think Bellingham was 'waited' on or we had our all our eggs in that basket. We just thought we could wait until this summer to do that rebuild.
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      Re: Jude Bellingham (Dortmund)
      Reply #1201: Jun 07, 2023 09:01:59 pm
      £88m plus add ons is a good deal. I thought we would have been in at that kind of price in all honesty. We were told on here to expect the final fee to be well in excess of £100m and closer to £150m??? 🤷‍♀️ why sign the world's hottest midfield prospect when you can find bargains elsewhere.
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      Re: Jude Bellingham (Dortmund)
      Reply #1202: Jun 07, 2023 09:09:00 pm
      Yup. Basically everyone associated with the club not named Alisson had a subpar season, whether it be personal performance, unable to stay healthy or making tactical adjustments. It wasn't simply because we didn't bring in 1 midfielder.



      Actually...butterfly effect postulates that something so small as having one more player (or one less) very well could have caused a chain reaction of effects that very well could have cost us. No way to know that mind you, but to dismiss it as a possibility is naïve.
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      Re: Jude Bellingham (Dortmund)
      Reply #1203: Jun 07, 2023 09:09:58 pm
      £88m plus add ons is a good deal. I thought we would have been in at that kind of price in all honesty. We were told on here to expect the final fee to be well in excess of £100m and closer to £150m??? 🤷‍♀️ why sign the world's hottest midfield prospect when you can find bargains elsewhere.

      He's supposedly going to be on something like 400k per week which is astronomically nuts. I think he'll be worth it in a few years time, but no way is he "worth" that now. That's just craziness.
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      Reply #1204: Jun 07, 2023 09:13:57 pm
      He's supposedly going to be on something like 400k per week which is astronomically nuts. I think he'll be worth it in a few years time, but no way is he "worth" that now. That's just craziness.

      Curious about any signing bonus as well.

      Thats what I've been saying about the entire package for Bellingham just didn't make sense for us and what we needed to do this summer.

      Add in if we really were his choice destination and I'm glad we've went the way we have.
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      Reply #1205: Jun 08, 2023 01:13:40 am
      He's supposedly going to be on something like 400k per week which is astronomically nuts. I think he'll be worth it in a few years time, but no way is he "worth" that now. That's just craziness.

      Does seem high I agree. If he wanted to join us could we have found a creative solution to his wage demands if the transfer fee wasn't an obstacle? I suppose it's the kind of signing a team might make if they already have a strong team and the finances resulting from success to be able to afford it. But even peak success I don't know that we would ever put that kind of money up for a 19 year old, bundesliga player of the season or otherwise. We might pay the fee, with lots of instalments and conditions, but not the wage. Whether that's the right thing or not time will tell. Many said Haaland was overpriced when you factor in the overall financial package and yet he is effectively free if they choose to sell him.
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      Reply #1206: Jun 08, 2023 01:27:02 am
      He's supposedly going to be on something like 400k per week which is astronomically nuts. I think he'll be worth it in a few years time, but no way is he "worth" that now. That's just craziness.

      Crazy wages indeed. F**k sake ...wow


      In regards to the 86 mill plus add ons, to me it just doesn't seem too much for a player who could be a Superstar for us for the next 10 years.

      How quickly mate in all seriousness, would it take to make that money in shirt sales?

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      Reply #1207: Jun 08, 2023 03:39:43 am
      I'd rather pay 350k plus per week on jude than pay the keita the money he stole for 5 years. How much did we pay keita, Ox, plus gomez and thiago per week combined ... for zero output. We waste wages and throw money away without issue so why not pay that money to jude every week. Pathetic. But we don't compete for the big players and talents do we ... unless we sell a player for 142m
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      Reply #1208: Jun 08, 2023 05:06:39 am
      I'd rather pay 350k plus per week on jude than pay the keita the money he stole for 5 years. How much did we pay keita, Ox, plus gomez and thiago per week combined ... for zero output. We waste wages and throw money away without issue so why not pay that money to jude every week. Pathetic. But we don't compete for the big players and talents do we ... unless we sell a player for 142m
      Jesus dude, do you ever stop? You have to be exhausted, because I get tired just reading you 😉
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      Re: Jude Bellingham (Dortmund)
      Reply #1209: Jun 08, 2023 08:10:39 am
      For the £115mil he is going for we can get 3 very good midfielders - it’s a no brainer

      We have to be realistic- we need more than one midfielder and we don’t have the level of money to pay £115mil plus whatever is needed for two more midfielders and a defender

      The fact that club like Liverpool don't have the level of money to pay £115 mill for one of the best talents in the world alongside two midfilders is both sad and aggrevating at the same time.
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      Reply #1210: Jun 08, 2023 08:59:05 am
      The fact that club like Liverpool don't have the level of money to pay £115 mill for one of the best talents in the world alongside two midfilders is both sad and aggrevating at the same time.

      Why is it ?

      How many clubs do have that level of money to spend outside oil clubs
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      Reply #1211: Jun 08, 2023 09:13:11 am
      The fact that club like Liverpool don't have the level of money to pay £115 mill for one of the best talents in the world alongside two midfilders is both sad and aggrevating at the same time.

      86m plus addons. Not 115m. The addons need to be achieved over his contract. Let's add another 30m on eh and say its too much  money to defend our parasite owners.
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      Reply #1212: Jun 08, 2023 09:13:39 am
      Jesus dude, do you ever stop? You have to be exhausted, because I get tired just reading you 😉

      I know how you feel mate. Yeah I can be that way sometimes.
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      Reply #1213: Jun 08, 2023 09:30:22 am
      Why is it ?

      How many clubs do have that level of money to spend outside oil clubs

      Arsenal ? They are paying £94 million for Rice and are getting Caicedo as well, United spend 100 million on Antony alongside multiple players, Chelsea spent loads and will spend loads this summer. None of those clubs are oil clubs and they are all owned by American owners.
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      Reply #1214: Jun 08, 2023 09:59:35 am
      The fact that club like Liverpool don't have the level of money to pay £115 mill for one of the best talents in the world alongside two midfilders is both sad and aggrevating at the same time.
      Where is the evidence that we don't have the level of money, as opposed to preferring not to spend the money.
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      Reply #1215: Jun 08, 2023 10:07:29 am
      86m plus addons. Not 115m. The addons need to be achieved over his contract. Let's add another 30m on eh and say its too much  money to defend our parasite owners.
      You need to consider that he may well have preferred to go to Madrid.
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      Reply #1216: Jun 08, 2023 02:04:23 pm
      Arsenal ? They are paying £94 million for Rice and are getting Caicedo as well, United spend 100 million on Antony alongside multiple players, Chelsea spent loads and will spend loads this summer. None of those clubs are oil clubs and they are all owned by American owners.

      Sorry but when did Arsenal spend £94 mil on Rice 🤷‍♂️ and I also suspect they are having to now spend the future CL money and will need to increase wages as well

      United are a commercial monster - the reason why we are trying to build up our stadium

      And Chelsea have an owner who is throwing money away
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      Re: Jude Bellingham (Dortmund)
      Reply #1217: Jun 08, 2023 02:05:04 pm
      Where is the evidence that we don't have the level of money, as opposed to preferring not to spend the money.

      Look at the accounts - does anyone really think we have over £200mil to spend plus the increase in wages etc
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      Reply #1218: Jun 08, 2023 02:05:36 pm
      86m plus addons. Not 115m. The addons need to be achieved over his contract. Let's add another 30m on eh and say its too much  money to defend our parasite owners.

      Don’t forget to add in the huge wages

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