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      Jude Bellingham (Dortmund)

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      Reply #322: Sep 27, 2022 02:26:14 pm

      So much for FFP if he does.
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      Reply #323: Sep 27, 2022 02:29:43 pm
      Cost is going up now £ is dropping so far. l o l
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      Reply #324: Sep 27, 2022 02:55:53 pm

      Think City have shown by winning that court case that FFP doesn't apply to them.
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      Reply #325: Sep 27, 2022 03:20:12 pm
      I'd be curious to know. Would you rather have one Bellingham for 100m, or two 50m players (plenty of options there)?
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      Reply #326: Sep 27, 2022 03:36:13 pm
      Real are favourites at the moment according to the experts another story says £85mil upfront will buy him. I dont think he is anywhere near the finished article and we dont need more potential do we . Hope we do see him in a Red shirt but I cant see it just at the moment
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      Reply #327: Sep 27, 2022 03:36:50 pm
      I'd be curious to know. Would you rather have one Bellingham for 100m, or two 50m players (plenty of options there)?

      two Naby's no thanks
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      Reply #328: Sep 27, 2022 03:40:15 pm
      I'd be curious to know. Would you rather have one Bellingham for 100m, or two 50m players (plenty of options there)?

      All depends on the player. No guarantee any transfer will be a success. But for example, Benjamin Mendy cost City 50mill, we got Robbo for 7mill and Mendy has been nowhere near the level of Robbo.
      But then can spend big on a player like Alisson or Virgil and it can completely transform a team.

      Think it just depends on the players available at the time and what the team needs. Given our midfield is in a state similar to that of our defence before we signed Virgil, a big money signing could transform it and have the same impact, along with some cheaper signings.

      We’ve had Trent come through the ranks, Matip was free, Konate was about 30mill and Robbo cost 7. The midfield could go a similar way with a big money signing and then Elliott on a free (pretty much), Fab was about 35/40mill and then get in a few cheaper players that would suit.

      Just depends what’s out there really.
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      Reply #329: Oct 05, 2022 10:34:34 am
      found this yesterday
      "Liverpool’s most recently published accounts revealed assets of £160.7million, including £31m cash in the bank and £108.9m cash owed to them."
      So why did we not push hard for Bellingham and instead took Arthur on loan.
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      Reply #330: Oct 05, 2022 07:32:06 pm
      found this yesterday
      "Liverpool’s most recently published accounts revealed assets of £160.7million, including £31m cash in the bank and £108.9m cash owed to them."
      So why did we not push hard for Bellingham and instead took Arthur on loan.

      I assume that the cash owed is for players sales? The deals for Taki, Mane and some others will probably be in instalments over a few years. Does anyone know if we got all the cash for Phil from Barcelona? It would not surprise me if they still owed a chunk of his transfer fee, they appear to owe everyone money, including their own players.

      That money may  not be coming in for a few years. Did it say if we owed money to other people/clubs?
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      Reply #331: Oct 06, 2022 09:06:53 am
      found this yesterday
      "Liverpool’s most recently published accounts revealed assets of £160.7million, including £31m cash in the bank and £108.9m cash owed to them."
      So why did we not push hard for Bellingham and instead took Arthur on loan.

      Pretty sure dortmund were never selling last summer.

      Losing 1 big star was enough for them.
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      Reply #332: Oct 06, 2022 09:13:34 am
      found this yesterday
      "Liverpool’s most recently published accounts revealed assets of £160.7million, including £31m cash in the bank and £108.9m cash owed to them."
      So why did we not push hard for Bellingham and instead took Arthur on loan.

      Because FSG are tight cu*ts
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      Reply #333: Oct 06, 2022 01:29:40 pm
      found this yesterday
      "Liverpool’s most recently published accounts revealed assets of £160.7million, including £31m cash in the bank and £108.9m cash owed to them."
      So why did we not push hard for Bellingham and instead took Arthur on loan.
      Not saying we will get him next summer (looking unlikely considering we're now, reportedly, fighting RM and the UAE), but I'm pretty sure the option to go for him wasn't even there this summer as BVB stated many times he wasn't for sale. Its useless to try this hard to read between the lines when we know the player isn't for sale. If he was available, don't you think Madrid, City and all the other clubs said to be interested would've tried something?

      Bottom line is we can criticize the club for not adding a midfielder or two this summer, but its a bit of a stretch to blame them for not getting a player who is contractually bound to another club who will not sell him to anybody before next summer.
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      Reply #334: Oct 06, 2022 01:43:51 pm
      Not saying we will get him next summer (looking unlikely considering we're now, reportedly, fighting RM and the UAE), but I'm pretty sure the option to go for him wasn't even there this summer as BVB stated many times he wasn't for sale. Its useless to try this hard to read between the lines when we know the player isn't for sale. If he was available, don't you think Madrid, City and all the other clubs said to be interested would've tried something?

      Bottom line is we can criticize the club for not adding a midfielder or two this summer, but its a bit of a stretch to blame them for not getting a player who is contractually bound to another club who will not sell him to anybody before next summer.

      all players we sign are contractually signed to their clubs unless on a free. Its a convenient FSG excuse not to go for players who are very very expensive and highlighted by the fact we ended up with a loan deal for a player who seems to be way off Jurgens radar at present.
      Its simple really if you want to be a top European club it takes massive investment and as we have ran out of players to sell to finance more FSG have a choice of what happens next.
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      Reply #335: Oct 06, 2022 01:59:04 pm
      all players we sign are contractually signed to their clubs unless on a free. Its a convenient FSG excuse not to go for players who are very very expensive and highlighted by the fact we ended up with a loan deal for a player who seems to be way off Jurgens radar at present.
      Its simple really if you want to be a top European club it takes massive investment and as we have ran out of players to sell to finance more FSG have a choice of what happens next.

      I think how he performs during the World Cup for us will decide his price tag. Can’t see it being more than 120 mil.
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      Reply #336: Oct 06, 2022 02:35:33 pm
      all players we sign are contractually signed to their clubs unless on a free. Its a convenient FSG excuse not to go for players who are very very expensive and highlighted by the fact we ended up with a loan deal for a player who seems to be way off Jurgens radar at present.
      Its simple really if you want to be a top European club it takes massive investment and as we have ran out of players to sell to finance more FSG have a choice of what happens next.
      Like I said in my post, we can criticize FSG/the club for not going for a midfielder or more this summer. However, I don't understand the idea of conveniently ignoring the fact that Bellingham is not for sale and say ''we didn't go for him'' (that particular midfielder). When I said that he is contractually bound to BVB it was to emphasize the fact that if BVB decides he's not for sale this summer then there's no game (this summer), just like it would mean the same for any player we want to buy from any other club that decides that particular player is not for sale.

      Wait until next summer when he is available and we don't try for him or get beat to a reasonable price tag by another club and then criticize to you heart's content, but right now there's a certain redundancy and a certain level of ridicule in blaming the club for not entering an auction that didn't take place.
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      Reply #337: Oct 06, 2022 02:44:51 pm
      I think how he performs during the World Cup for us will decide his price tag. Can’t see it being more than 120 mil.

      Excellent, cos england are gonna be rotten. l o l
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      Re: Jude Bellingham (Dortmund)
      Reply #338: Oct 06, 2022 04:28:28 pm
      Like I said in my post, we can criticize FSG/the club for not going for a midfielder or more this summer. However, I don't understand the idea of conveniently ignoring the fact that Bellingham is not for sale and say ''we didn't go for him'' (that particular midfielder). When I said that he is contractually bound to BVB it was to emphasize the fact that if BVB decides he's not for sale this summer then there's no game (this summer), just like it would mean the same for any player we want to buy from any other club that decides that particular player is not for sale.

      Wait until next summer when he is available and we don't try for him or get beat to a reasonable price tag by another club and then criticize to you heart's content, but right now there's a certain redundancy and a certain level of ridicule in blaming the club for not entering an auction that didn't take place.
      As you say you can't buy something if it's not for sale. I suspect there's many issues in play when it comes to transfers, quite a few of which we are not privy to, probably for legal reasons.  I'm not so sure the "Not for sale" statement is as set in stone as you suggest, for any club, and for any player, as there must be a figure a club would accept for any player...I would have thought.
      I take "Not for sale" as we'd very much prefer to keep him, and in the main clubs accept that and retreat, unless of course they are prepared to bid for the player at well beyond his clubs valuation, which can and does happen, but is very rare.
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      Reply #339: Oct 06, 2022 04:55:08 pm
      Excellent, cos england are gonna be rotten. l o l

      Hope so, maybe United have outside chance of getting him.  ;D
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      Re: Jude Bellingham (Dortmund)
      Reply #340: Oct 06, 2022 06:07:02 pm
      found this yesterday
      "Liverpool’s most recently published accounts revealed assets of £160.7million, including £31m cash in the bank and £108.9m cash owed to them."
      So why did we not push hard for Bellingham and instead took Arthur on loan.

      Possibly because Dortmund weren't selling after Haaland left.
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      Reply #341: Oct 06, 2022 08:07:10 pm
      Possibly because Dortmund weren't selling after Haaland left.

      yes and no club has ever sold a player that they said wasnt for sale have they.
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      Re: Jude Bellingham (Dortmund)
      Reply #342: Oct 07, 2022 12:10:59 am
      What a finish yesterday against Seville.

      Hopefully our deal with him won't be hijacked.

      Lad looks the goods for sure!
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      Reply #343: Oct 07, 2022 09:05:08 am
      Hope so, maybe United have outside chance of getting him.  ;D

      L O L.

      Never know man
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      Re: Jude Bellingham (Dortmund)
      Reply #344: Oct 07, 2022 10:52:13 am

      It’s interesting just what’s being said in media as your favourite to buy him yet the FSG pay structure basically says otherwise as a rule. Hope FSG stand by it.  :f_whistle:  ;D

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