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      Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      ruthcity
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #525: Sep 13, 2021 10:34:15 am
      What if both Sadio and Klopp had given up on his sixth shot? That goal would never have come.

      The player who "wasn't good enough" for some got you a goal at the death. You should just chalk off his goal and effort since he wasn't as sharp yesterday.

      For average people like me, you can be average but if you do not give up, your reward will come. I just know a few of us here are way too excellent for Sadio yesterday.
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #526: Sep 13, 2021 10:41:11 am
      Thanks for the crystal ball analysis Mystic Meg 🙄

      I heard he'll never be able to kick a ball again, and the club is on its way to terminate his contact. I heard it in me head and I made that up. How's me crystal ball gazing? Can't believe people are saying things they know very little or nothing about. How's that for an opinion based on unverified facts.
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #527: Sep 13, 2021 10:55:13 am
      I'm reflection Sadio was really good yesterday wasn't he?

      Never hid, got into many dangerous positions and with a bit more luck could have had two or three.

      That one he hits with his left that just missed the post was a cracker.

      Thought he was superb and enjoying his football - all three looked very dangerous and most of the chances where stopped due to great defending or saves from the goalkeeper
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #528: Sep 13, 2021 11:03:20 am
      You see on the replay on MOTD2 that Struijk has both feet off the ground and is more or less flying into Elliott. Once you're taking two feet off the ground then that's reckless territory. That's a deserved red card.

      No matter the nature of the injury incurred from such a tackle the least reaction from the ref should be a red.
      The impact of the challenge on a player who is totally unable to brace himself is potentially catastrophic.

      “I didn’t mean to go in studs up” is a ridiculous claim and any disciplinary measures no matter how severe would not be unfair or undeserved.
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #529: Sep 13, 2021 11:14:44 am
      He missed about eight chances before he took his one. That's the problem with him now, he needs a large amount of chances before he finally scores and that's not a top level striker. We'll be in games where that one chance is all we'll get and if he misses it we draw/lose.

      The problem is he can't be dropped because they left us with no other alternative. Hence Ox was a CF today. Typical FSG. They done it last year and they've done it again.

      Young lad breaks his leg and you start going on about the owners - something not right with you
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #530: Sep 13, 2021 12:03:04 pm
      I heard he'll never be able to kick a ball again, and the club is on its way to terminate his contact. I heard it in me head and I made that up. How's me crystal ball gazing? Can't believe people are saying things they know very little or nothing about. How's that for an opinion based on unverified facts.

      Name me one elite player that broke his ankle and tore his ligaments and came back elite! Never happened. Look just at Ox - and the dude didn't even break his ankle and still he does not look as if he belongs into top 4 PL-teams anymore. Also watch videos with MD's on youtube, there are all like "at least career alterning" which is chiffre for "he won't hold his level". And of course my whopping 14 years experience as a NFL fan where such drama happens more often and guess what: broken ankle and tore ligament = retirement (and yes, Alex Smith came back with something similiar, but just to prove a point and then retired). Harvey might come back and be able to play in the Championship or even for low PL teams, but never for elite teams.

      It's not that I do not wish Harvey the best and maybe the super slim chance comes true that he broke it but not tore some ligament or whatever but I am not that sissy to deny the facts and roll into false hope.
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #531: Sep 13, 2021 12:08:54 pm
      That's the problem with him now, he needs a large amount of chances before he finally scores and that's not a top level striker.

      Nah, it happens more often than you think. But usually people are more aware after 10 missed chances then we he makes every second into a goal. Strikers live on probability and statistic and dry periods are normal. Good/top strikers differ themselves from lower class strikers thru 1. speed, 2. ball-handling, 3. assist-ability, 4. creating high percentage chances out of undangerous situations. Not thru sheer goals!!! Mané is still top.
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #532: Sep 13, 2021 12:14:05 pm
      Name me one elite player that broke his ankle and tore his ligaments and came back elite! Never happened. Look just at Ox - and the dude didn't even break his ankle and still he does not look as if he belongs into top 4 PL-teams anymore. Also watch videos with MD's on youtube, there are all like "at least career alterning" which is chiffre for "he won't hold his level". And of course my whopping 14 years experience as a NFL fan where such drama happens more often and guess what: broken ankle and tore ligament = retirement (and yes, Alex Smith came back with something similiar, but just to prove a point and then retired). Harvey might come back and be able to play in the Championship or even for low PL teams, but never for elite teams.

      It's not that I do not wish Harvey the best and maybe the super slim chance comes true that he broke it but not tore some ligament or whatever but I am not that sissy to deny the facts and roll into false hope.


      Well first he hasn’t broken his ankle


      Secondly the affect on his ligaments is unknown at the moment


      Let’s not write the lad off already


      And maybe it’s best to stick to rugby with pads on
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #533: Sep 13, 2021 12:30:13 pm
      He missed about eight chances before he took his one. That's the problem with him now, he needs a large amount of chances before he finally scores and that's not a top level striker. We'll be in games where that one chance is all we'll get and if he misses it we draw/lose.

      The problem is he can't be dropped because they left us with no other alternative. Hence Ox was a CF today. Typical FSG. They done it last year and they've done it again.

      Agree. Shots to goal ratio should be 100% or higher. Otherwise you’re not elite. We need to find a player who can deliver 200% goals to the number of shots he takes. All front three.
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #534: Sep 13, 2021 12:30:36 pm
      Harvey might come back and be able to play in the Championship or even for low PL teams, but never for elite teams.

      Utter nonsense.

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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #535: Sep 13, 2021 12:33:43 pm
      Name me one elite player that broke his ankle and tore his ligaments and came back elite! Never happened. Look just at Ox - and the dude didn't even break his ankle and still he does not look as if he belongs into top 4 PL-teams anymore. Also watch videos with MD's on youtube, there are all like "at least career alterning" which is chiffre for "he won't hold his level". And of course my whopping 14 years experience as a NFL fan where such drama happens more often and guess what: broken ankle and tore ligament = retirement (and yes, Alex Smith came back with something similiar, but just to prove a point and then retired). Harvey might come back and be able to play in the Championship or even for low PL teams, but never for elite teams.

      It's not that I do not wish Harvey the best and maybe the super slim chance comes true that he broke it but not tore some ligament or whatever but I am not that sissy to deny the facts and roll into false hope.

      First, define elite. We can discuss the rest after that. I just heard again that elite players are never injured. I’m not too sure where I heard that from. I made that up as well.
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #536: Sep 13, 2021 12:43:56 pm
      Name me one elite player that broke his ankle and tore his ligaments and came back elite! Never happened. Look just at Ox - and the dude didn't even break his ankle and still he does not look as if he belongs into top 4 PL-teams anymore. Also watch videos with MD's on youtube, there are all like "at least career alterning" which is chiffre for "he won't hold his level". And of course my whopping 14 years experience as a NFL fan where such drama happens more often and guess what: broken ankle and tore ligament = retirement (and yes, Alex Smith came back with something similiar, but just to prove a point and then retired). Harvey might come back and be able to play in the Championship or even for low PL teams, but never for elite teams.

      It's not that I do not wish Harvey the best and maybe the super slim chance comes true that he broke it but not tore some ligament or whatever but I am not that sissy to deny the facts and roll into false hope.

      Have a day off with the doom and gloom ffs.
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #537: Sep 13, 2021 12:45:51 pm
      elite = being able to play for a top 4 PL team as a starter. Let's go with that. And yes, we do not know nothing yet, but any expert basically tells you that it's safe he broke the ankle and highly probable he tore ligaments. But of course nothing official.
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #538: Sep 13, 2021 12:47:52 pm
      Well first he hasn’t broken his ankle

      Secondly the affect on his ligaments is unknown at the moment

      I'm fairly sure for the ankle to dislocate it requires the ligaments to snap and that first bone in your foot to break away from the two leg bones, otherwise it wouldn't dislocate.  Either way, horrible injury.  I'd imagine a clean break of both your leg bones would be preferable to this kind of injury. 

      Lad does have age on his side though and is obviously going to get far far better surgical treatment than us plebs would.
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #539: Sep 13, 2021 12:57:20 pm
      I'm fairly sure for the ankle to dislocate it requires the ligaments to snap and that first bone in your foot to break away from the two leg bones, otherwise it wouldn't dislocate.  Either way, horrible injury.  I'd imagine a clean break of both your leg bones would be preferable to this kind of injury. 

      Lad does have age on his side though and is obviously going to get far far better surgical treatment than us plebs would.

      Yea it's going to be a lengthy layoff. As you say a clean break would be a 'better' injury for want if a more suitable word
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #540: Sep 13, 2021 12:59:20 pm
      elite = being able to play for a top 4 PL team as a starter. Let's go with that. And yes, we do not know nothing yet, but any expert basically tells you that it's safe he broke the ankle and highly probable he tore ligaments. But of course nothing official.

      I understand your point but I think people just don't want to hear it. It's sad enough what happened yesterday. Let's just leave it to the official statement to tell us what's wrong and how long.
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      Reply #541: Sep 13, 2021 01:11:01 pm
      I can't comment much about the team performance, only to wish  Elliott a full and speedy recovery from that bad injury, it was awful!
      Wasteful front players, however, Fabinho and Thiago were outstanding players, along with  Elliott until his injury, he will be a big loss to us.
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #542: Sep 13, 2021 01:32:33 pm
      Name me one elite player that broke his ankle and tore his ligaments and came back elite! Never happened. Look just at Ox - and the dude didn't even break his ankle and still he does not look as if he belongs into top 4 PL-teams anymore. Also watch videos with MD's on youtube, there are all like "at least career alterning" which is chiffre for "he won't hold his level". And of course my whopping 14 years experience as a NFL fan where such drama happens more often and guess what: broken ankle and tore ligament = retirement (and yes, Alex Smith came back with something similiar, but just to prove a point and then retired). Harvey might come back and be able to play in the Championship or even for low PL teams, but never for elite teams.

      It's not that I do not wish Harvey the best and maybe the super slim chance comes true that he broke it but not tore some ligament or whatever but I am not that sissy to deny the facts and roll into false hope.

      State of this post, my word
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #543: Sep 13, 2021 01:42:15 pm
      I'm fairly sure for the ankle to dislocate it requires the ligaments to snap and that first bone in your foot to break away from the two leg bones, otherwise it wouldn't dislocate.  Either way, horrible injury.  I'd imagine a clean break of both your leg bones would be preferable to this kind of injury. 

      Lad does have age on his side though and is obviously going to get far far better surgical treatment than us plebs would.

      Exactly, young man too. Probably going to a specialist orthopedic surgeon, going to have state of the art physical therapy to strengthen back up. Look at VVD, in “my opinion “ a worse injury “the ACL” and VVD is looking good.
      In conclusion, I think Harvey will be fine. Again, the key is not rushing back from a injury (Michael Owen comes to mind)

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      Reply #544: Sep 13, 2021 02:39:27 pm

      Serious. I know it's not exactly the same but Dak Prescott, QB for the Dallas Cowboys suffered an even worse injury last season in a game. Dislocated and compound fracture of the ankle. He rehabbed for a year, played this past weekend and looked as good or better than ever. Harvey can certainly come back to be just as good as he was before, it's just going to take patience for the recovery and rehab process.
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      Reply #545: Sep 13, 2021 03:03:42 pm
      Great win. Very sad day. All the best to young Harvey.
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      Reply #546: Sep 13, 2021 03:19:15 pm
      Isn't it great we have so many medical experts on here. :roll:

      Anyway some actual medical experts think Harvey will be back playing in 6 to 9 months and should make a full recovery.

      I'll be optimistic I think we will see Harvey play for us again this season.
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      Reply #547: Sep 13, 2021 04:18:25 pm
      Im not even gonna comment on how long he will be out etc.

      Operation tmrw, we will know more after that.
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #548: Sep 13, 2021 04:35:16 pm
      Best wishes Harvey hope you make a speedy and full recovery. Some great performances yesterday Fab, Thiago,  Salah and Mom for me was Matip, I thought Mane had another poor performance, never seemed to control the ball, passes were to strong or weak poor finishing and he was in an offside position on our first goal luckily Salah hit the before the ball came to Mane and the second goal he was offside again but luckily he moved out of the direction of the were Fab hit the ball, hope he picks up his finishing soon
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      Re: Leeds United 0-3 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #549: Sep 13, 2021 05:03:25 pm
      Name me one elite player that broke his ankle and tore his ligaments and came back elite! Never happened. Look just at Ox - and the dude didn't even break his ankle and still he does not look as if he belongs into top 4 PL-teams anymore. Also watch videos with MD's on youtube, there are all like "at least career alterning" which is chiffre for "he won't hold his level". And of course my whopping 14 years experience as a NFL fan where such drama happens more often and guess what: broken ankle and tore ligament = retirement (and yes, Alex Smith came back with something similiar, but just to prove a point and then retired). Harvey might come back and be able to play in the Championship or even for low PL teams, but never for elite teams.

      It's not that I do not wish Harvey the best and maybe the super slim chance comes true that he broke it but not tore some ligament or whatever but I am not that sissy to deny the facts and roll into false hope.




      What the actual f**k are you on about, I take it your a expert in this field, no one knows for sure the extent of the damage Harvey may have sustained, he may yet have surgery and if he does no one can say how long his recovery period will be, if you haven’t got anything of note to say don’t say anything, be honest with yourself and  admit you don’t actually know anything about it instead of just spouting any old sh*te.

      Unbelievable Jeff, the amount of sh*te in here !!

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