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      Liverpool 2-2 Brighton & Hove Albion: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Brighton & Hove Albion: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #425: Nov 01, 2021 12:14:46 pm
      It is about opinions but you constantly talk nonsense to support whatever agenda you have at the time.


      It’s not about opinions when someone is claiming they are right and others are wrong

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      It’s no coincidence. I’ve given you two reasons why. If you need reminding it’s because the forum isn’t as good as what it used to be. A few good posters no longer come on and they’ve been replaced by a few divvys who I can’t be doing with in truth, and secondly I find the conversations a lot more interesting after a poor result rather than reading 20 pages of the same comments after a straight forward win.


      Come on - at least be honest with yourself , I bet you couldn’t wait to post after the team dropped points , desperate to post “ I told you so” - over a draw against a team doing well this season


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      We both know the result on Saturday was a poor one, especially being two up too, but you’d rather step around it and say things like we’re unbeaten because you don’t want to admit you were wrong a few months ago.


      I don’t know shah you think it is I’m wrong about - or what I’m stepping around.

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      We drew the game on Saturday because of the midfield. We were all over the place and we lost control of the game. If you don’t believe (or won’t admit more like) that we had problems in the midfield then honestly mate move along and don’t bother replying to me on here again because you’re either deluded, blind or as I suspect just talk nonsense to back whatever tripe you said months ago.

      We also let a lead slip against Brentford with Fabinho on the pitch instead of Ox - the midfield three that played on Saturday couldn’t get control , I don’t think anyone has said otherwise - but then if Bobby had scored his chance we could have killed the game early , plus a number of other chances. I don’t see the issue as clear cut as one area whilst also having to give credit to Brighton. Would also add that Konate was dragged out of position a few times - so no i don’t point the issue purely at the midfield. It’s also worth noting that the midfield helped create both the goals

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      What’s your point? Steven Gerrard was the best number 8 in the world but he also played right back, right mid, left mid, in the 10 and as the number 6 too. World class players adapt and can play anywhere. Trent is world class and has experience playing in midfield too. I’ve got no problem with you wanting him to stay at right back, that’s fine, and in general that’s where I want him too, but your response was as if I suggested to play matip centre mid.


      What “expirence” at the high level has TAA had in midfield ? 45 mins for England where he looked clearly like a fish out of water ? Just because someone is world class doesn’t mean that they can easily move into a totally different role . But let’s humour you for a minute - which midfield role would you like to see him take - the one sitting deep in from protecting ? The 8 ? The 10 ? - none of those would suit someone who clearly enjoys space and freedom that he finds in wide areas to ping balls in - space that is given to him by the work of the likes of Henderson. TAA thrives coming onto the ball facing the goal - put him in midfield and he then starts to get the ball with his back to to goal - totally mentality and thinking.

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      Brighton had some joy down our right side and we were exposed at times. I believe had Trent moved into the middle and Gomez came on at right back we would have been a lot more solid and won the game. You don’t and again thats fine, you were happy to persist with Jones and ox because they are natural central mids who will always do a better job than Trent, even though it was obvious to pretty much everyone else that they were both really struggling, or you wanted a young kid to come on and throw him in the deep end to try and see the game out against a decent prem team who had us under the cosh. As I said you’re entitled to your opinion. But we’ll never know anyway will we.

      But it’s rubbish what you’re saying anyway. You might as well say divock will do a ‘better natural job’ than salah as a striker because divock is a natural centre forward and Mo isn’t. It did amuse me though that you rubbished the idea of Trent playing in midfield temporarily but you’re happy for both ox and elliott to play in there who aren’t, as you say, natural central midfielders. They’re both ‘natural’ wide men. But obviously you’ll just say any old sh*te.


      Ox and Jones are midfielders- they train every day within those roles , Ox hasn’t been a wide man for years and Jones certainly not been hugging a touchline.

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      You are probably the most naive liverpool fan I’ve ever come across you know. If Thiago was ginis replacement then we could have gotten rid of Gini quite easily. The euros was on so Gini would have gone to secure his place with holland if we told him he was no longer required, and are you really honestly that naive you don’t believe any club at all would have offered something to take him? F**k me. And if Thiago was the replacement then surely taking something for Gini would have been better than nothing at all?


      Eh - The club were happy to keep him for a year and lose him on a free - I don’t recall many if any bids for Gini even when clubs knew that he only had a year left

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      Thiago was an addition. He didn’t replace anybody. Him and Gini aren’t even similar players so you just look ridiculous saying it. Thiago was signed because he offered something completely different to the midfielders we already had. He’s a baller and Gini is a machine. Gini played more games and played alongside his supposed replacement several times.

      I can’t even be arsed talking about klopp and what he says to the media. As I say you’re naive and you don’t understand or grasp that he knows how to address the media and what he says isn’t necessarily true. There will be so much that goes on behind closed doors that neither you or me will ever know about because Jürgen keeps everything private and it’s just another reason of why I love him and why he’s perfect for Liverpool FC. But bloody hell, do you still believe in Father Christmas you?  Every other post you say ‘well Jürgen said this’ and ‘well Jürgen said that’. You don’t quite understand how it all works do you? Hopefully he releases a book one day and opens up because you’ll be in for a shock.

      What is it you think Klopp would open up about - he has always been pretty straight forward throughout his whole career . He clearly has no issues walking away if things don’t suit him. Do you really think Klopp will be the corperate yes man

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      It could be me actually who sits by you  yeah because funnily enough there’s a bloke by me whos on his phone 24-7. I have a look at what he’s doing from time to time and he’s talking sh*te on lfcreds or masturbating over topless photos of John Henry so is that you then? I’ll say hello next time.

      Bit crude isn’t it

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      Also mate, if you’re going to reply to me  do me a favour and turn it in on those emoji’s. I find it hard to take a grown man serious who uses emoji’s in every sentence. Apologies if you’re about 15 though.

      Awwww - do little pictures confuse you


      Maybe we looking to accuse someone of childish behaviour it’s not the paragraph after stating someone “masturbates over an owners picture” - 🙄
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Brighton & Hove Albion: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #426: Nov 01, 2021 03:55:25 pm
      We had a poor result against Brentford but this was different, we were running away with the game then second half were we let it slip....on such games trophys are won and lost
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Brighton & Hove Albion: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #427: Nov 01, 2021 04:23:53 pm
      We had a poor result against Brentford but this was different, we were running away with the game then second half were we let it slip....on such games trophys are won and lost

      Don't think we were running away with, played okay first half but brighter were always still in it.
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Brighton & Hove Albion: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #428: Nov 01, 2021 04:25:49 pm
      Don't think we were running away with, played okay first half but brighter were always still in it.


      Yep - Alisson was certainly the busier of the keeper most of the match. Brighton played very well- happy to push high
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Brighton & Hove Albion: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #429: Nov 01, 2021 04:26:00 pm
      We're clearly short in midfield right now. Once AOC is in the frame for a start, cant argue otherwise. Hopefully mids will come back from injury, but that wont change the fact that we skating on thin midfield ice.
      And this was completely predictable.
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Brighton & Hove Albion: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #430: Nov 01, 2021 05:19:33 pm
      Don't think we were running away with, played okay first half but brighter were always still in it.

      It was similar to our start to united I felt. We were dangerous but a few warning signs were there early on.

      Brighton had one or two early chances but  I still thought we were the better side in the first half and as Lallana says, if Bobby puts his chance away then I don’t see Brighton getting back into it. We went from being 3-0 up to 2-1 up in the space of five minutes or so.

      Neither ox or Jones got a grip of the midfield and as a result Hendo was outnumbered in there. They were letting runners pass them by, didn’t press and they didn’t hold their positions well either. The pair of them were just all over the place. It was a midfield collapse and I’m really surprised jurgen let it ride out when it seemed obvious something needed changing. I love him to bits but if he has any flaws then perhaps being too stubborn may be one.

      Wasn’t just ox or Jones who had a nightmare though. Neither Bobby or Konate played particularly well either. But I think the points were lost because of the midfield.

      I’m not too worried about Wednesday because of our good start in the group so it’s a free hit, plus I expect Leti to come and sit in which will suit Jones and Ox a lot more.

      I am worried for West Ham though. Hopefully we have a couple of lads back by then because if that three of Hendo, Jones and Ox start against them then I can’t see us getting a result. Hopefully I’m wrong and if they do play, then they smash it.
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Brighton & Hove Albion: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #431: Nov 01, 2021 05:24:24 pm
      It was similar to our start to united I felt. We were dangerous but a few warning signs were there early on.

      Brighton had one or two early chances but  I still thought we were the better side in the first half and as Lallana says, if Bobby puts his chance away then I don’t see Brighton getting back into it. We went from being 3-0 up to 2-1 up in the space of five minutes or so.

      Neither ox or Jones got a grip of the midfield and as a result Hendo was outnumbered in there. They were letting runners pass them by, didn’t press and they didn’t hold their positions well either. The pair of them were just all over the place. It was a midfield collapse and I’m really surprised jurgen let it ride out when it seemed obvious something needed changing. I love him to bits but if he has any flaws then perhaps being too stubborn may be one.

      Wasn’t just ox or Jones who had a nightmare though. Neither Bobby or Konate played particularly well either. But I think the points were lost because of the midfield.

      I’m not too worried about Wednesday because of our good start in the group so it’s a free hit, plus I expect Leti to come and sit in which will suit Jones and Ox a lot more.

      I am worried for West Ham though. Hopefully we have a couple of lads back by then because if that three of Hendo, Jones and Ox start against them then I can’t see us getting a result. Hopefully I’m wrong and if they do play, then they smash it.

      Would have been tempted to bring tyler Morton on or another centre back, jota definitely should have been on earlier. Can understand jurgen probably thought his options were limited
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Brighton & Hove Albion: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #432: Nov 01, 2021 05:49:07 pm
      Would have been tempted to bring tyler Morton on or another centre back, jota definitely should have been on earlier. Can understand jurgen probably thought his options were limited


      I think Morton should have come on a bit earlier as well , he had no issues doing the dirty ugly stuff. Not sure why at times Klopp holds back on his subs
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Brighton & Hove Albion: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #433: Nov 01, 2021 07:11:13 pm



      We drew the game on Saturday because of the midfield.


      Really? The entire result was because of the midfield? Nothing else?
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Brighton & Hove Albion: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #434: Nov 03, 2021 01:56:23 pm
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      Disappointing result after thrashing united a week ago. It’s a funny old game though isn’t it? I left the ground quite frustrated only to put the radio on in the car and a guy rang up on the phone in and said if we drew 2-2 at united and then battered Brighton 5-0 we all would have taken that and been quite happy and he’s right I suppose.

      I stay off this forum a lot now, too many idiots about the place these days and the posters I did enjoy engaging with seem to have vanished, but I occasionally come back when there’s some talking points, like yesterday.

      For the previous week, we were rejoicing at putting the mancs in their box, and showing everyone else in the league what we're capable of, with lots of talking points. Where were you?

      It seems you're not very interested in debating with us. As soon as you're questioned, you protest about the "quality" of the forum rather than debate the issue at hand. It's not good enough to say there's too many idiots around. Every forum has posters you don't agree with, in the case of this forum, it's a manc spy ruining every single thread telling us all what we should do. But if you're going to make the most of your time on forums, you have to engage with the posters you agree with as well as tolerate the posters you believe are wrong. 

      It doesn't take a degree in sports science to see we have a crisis in midfield atm, it's not a new development. But even if everyone was fit, there's not much anyone can do about a cross from 30 yards out, that ends up in the net. But if Salah puts the ball in rather than Mane from the error by the keeper, then we are winning 3-0, you wouldn't be here reminding us what we all know about, and we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.

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      Yea that was flat out embarrassing when you consider an entire season played behind closed doors. Surely can’t be the tourists either there were too many that left far too many old fellas who looked like they should have been at home having a kip. F**k it off give your tickets to someone else!

      Agreed. After our first home game in a month, there's 3 weeks to our next home league game. I'm sure all of the doubters will have got to somewhere more important to them than stay there believing they could help us win this game, by then.
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Brighton & Hove Albion: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #435: Nov 03, 2021 05:18:15 pm
      For the previous week, we were rejoicing at putting the mancs in their box, and showing everyone else in the league what we're capable of, with lots of talking points. Where were you?


      Hiding like the rest of the trolls who only crawl from under their rocks when we drop points. He was nowhere to be found in Oct after the City game when we were beating Watford, Atletico, United and Preston, but then suddenly we drop points against Brighton and here he is, as active as ever on the board.
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Brighton & Hove Albion: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #436: Nov 03, 2021 10:37:34 pm
      Hiding like the rest of the trolls who only crawl from under their rocks when we drop points. He was nowhere to be found in Oct after the City game when we were beating Watford, Atletico, United and Preston, but then suddenly we drop points against Brighton and here he is, as active as ever on the board.

      Get out of here. You might disagree with Hamann but he’s certainly not a troll who hides. Explains his opinions and he’s right, there’s always more to discuss after dropping points - you see it in every match thread it’s always busier after dropped points.

      You were nowhere to be seen for 25 years and a bit of success and some yank owners turn up and you’re suddenly giving big bollocks telling people how to support the club they’ve followed their whole life.

      People are entitled to views on the shape of our squad you know, especially when we lose a key player like Gini - completely reasonable to discuss how/if he was replaced adequately.
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Brighton & Hove Albion: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #437: Nov 03, 2021 10:56:02 pm
      Good win today lads :)
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Brighton & Hove Albion: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #438: Nov 04, 2021 01:13:30 am
      Hiding like the rest of the trolls who only crawl from under their rocks when we drop points. He was nowhere to be found in Oct after the City game when we were beating Watford, Atletico, United and Preston, but then suddenly we drop points against Brighton and here he is, as active as ever on the board.

      Stick to wet t shirt competitions became clearly you are talking out your rectum..
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Brighton & Hove Albion: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #439: Nov 04, 2021 03:00:19 am
      Hiding like the rest of the trolls who only crawl from under their rocks when we drop points. He was nowhere to be found in Oct after the City game when we were beating Watford, Atletico, United and Preston, but then suddenly we drop points against Brighton and here he is, as active as ever on the board.

      Troll? Lads been here for years many more before you.
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      Re: Liverpool 2-2 Brighton & Hove Albion: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #440: Nov 07, 2021 12:01:54 am
      We have debated the Gini issue at considerable length before and since he left. Gini had his good games, but away from home he tended to go missing frequently, and I can't remember the amount of times people wanted him subbed and dropped when he was here, but it was often. If Jürgen really wanted him to stay, I'm sure he would have stayed. A player working with a different coach after him is a step down.

      We also know that unfortunately the missiles start flying around here, on the rare occasion we drop points. It's easier to accept though when it comes from the regulars who comment on the rough and the smooth, rather than those who wait until there's "talking points" aka points dropped, to remind us all what we already know.

      When the team is 25 games unbeaten, going for the title, breezing through the Group Of Death, piling up almost 50 goals already, winning away games 5-0, whacking the mancs in their backyard, Salah breaking new records every week and running his own Goal of the Month competition, it's just wrong to come here and whinge that there's nothing to talk about.

      There were 7 away wins in the league last weekend, our game was the only draw. No it's not perfect, but of the 91 other teams in the country, almost all of them would swap the places and the possibilities and the opportunities with us, if they could.

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