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      West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      fields of anny rd
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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #725: Nov 08, 2021 05:00:24 am
      Said all season something just isn't quite right this year. We miss Gini no doubt and I agree with the idea that the blend in midfield isn't quite right.

      The question is is what is the solution? I don't think its Ox these days thats for sure. We just seem like an inferior version of 2 years ago this time around and with Chelsea getting a proper manager and City still being City will leave us fighting it out for 3rd and 4th with Arsenal United and probably West Ham.

      Think the midfield was a huge underrated strength of ours back then but now it's a real issue. There was a point in that game at 2-1 we lost our heads completely and they cut through us that quickly and in such a short space of time SKY was showing replays of their attacks why more attacks were happening.

      Other than United no other team has caved in when we take a goal lead. There was still half an hour to go and we had thrown all control and composure out of the window when other teams against ourselves have shown us that if you stay in the gane you can create chances without leaving yourself defenceless. Last 5 minutes maybe but not for half an hour.

      The way we let Bowen just saunter through us for their 2nd was poor but sh*t happens and with the rules as they are its not terminal to conceding a goal. You just trip him up and take your yellow card.

      We have to be switched on to that side of the game because the other way around we are probably getting clipped there.

      But yeah there's something off with us but in the back drop of lack of investment in the side for many years now its probably not that surprising.

      These should be our peak years under Jürgen and we are still a handy side but nowhere near what we could be given just a few more tools to work with.

      Whichever side you sit on with that argument its not going to change it is in the end what it is. This is how Febway want to play it and we'll see if we can nab some cups now along the way. The title however like most seasons will go to one of the 3 big spenders. It certainly isn't going to United so its for Chelsea and City to go for.
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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #726: Nov 08, 2021 06:20:29 am
      So being Liverpool means we have to buy all of our starters and can't develop our own star players? Harvey Elliott is going to be a f**king superstar and he showed up at preseason camp and won that starting role (one of the #8 midfielders just like Gini). He was absolutely on fire in those opening games. I'm sorry we didn't pay 70 million for him. I've got a lot more questions today about the guy we did pay a lot for (Thiago).

      Forum Halfwit.

      Yeah, thanks for that. We all know he’s a talented kid. But being Liverpool means we’re one of the biggest and richest clubs in the world, competing at the highest level against the best teams, so if one of our best players leaves then we should be able to replace them rather than put all our hopes and trust on a young, inexperienced lad and play him out of position while we’re at it.

      As somebody else has already pointed out, gini and Elliott are completely different players. The midfield has been off balance several times already this season.

      At the end of the day, our options in midfield are weaker this season than they were last season and that’s just fact, so there’s nothing to discuss or debate.



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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #727: Nov 08, 2021 08:09:18 am
      The idea that Harvey Elliot was going to be our key man on the midfield this season is laughable I’d wager half the forum hadn’t even seen him play until the start of this season.

      Our midfield needs more reliable players in there, and Gini was as reliable as they came when it came to staying fit. Whichever way you cut it our midfield is weaker than last season.

      I also don’t know why it’s controversial to say FSG should have replaced Gini, that isn’t asking us to spend like the chavs or city, it’s actually asking us to spend like a mid table team to be honest - I.e replace your players so you aren’t short. Unfortunately we are short.

      As someone said above, we could be so much more with Jürgen at the helm, even just a modest investment and we would fly.  But instead we do it all on a shoestring.
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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #728: Nov 08, 2021 08:25:13 am
      Yeah, thanks for that. We all know he’s a talented kid. But being Liverpool means we’re one of the biggest and richest clubs in the world, competing at the highest level against the best teams, so if one of our best players leaves then we should be able to replace them rather than put all our hopes and trust on a young, inexperienced lad and play him out of position while we’re at it.

      As somebody else has already pointed out, gini and Elliott are completely different players. The midfield has been off balance several times already this season.

      At the end of the day, our options in midfield are weaker this season than they were last season and that’s just fact, so there’s nothing to discuss or debate.

      Yep, agreed. I was shocked how easy West Ham were able to carve through us.

      It could have been 6 - 2
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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #729: Nov 08, 2021 08:25:53 am
      ..if Id a pound for every time somebody commented on how sh*t Gini was here...
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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #730: Nov 08, 2021 08:30:05 am
      ..if Id a pound for every time somebody commented on how sh*t Gini was here...

      Gini would have made f all difference yesterday.
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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #731: Nov 08, 2021 08:42:44 am
      Disappointing

      Had to lose at some point, see you all after international break, where I'm sure we will go on another long un beaten run. ;-)
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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #732: Nov 08, 2021 08:49:12 am
      The idea that Harvey Elliot was going to be our key man on the midfield this season is laughable I’d wager half the forum hadn’t even seen him play until the start of this season.

      Our midfield needs more reliable players in there, and Gini was as reliable as they came when it came to staying fit. Whichever way you cut it our midfield is weaker than last season.

      I also don’t know why it’s controversial to say FSG should have replaced Gini, that isn’t asking us to spend like the chavs or city, it’s actually asking us to spend like a mid table team to be honest - I.e replace your players so you aren’t short. Unfortunately we are short.

      As someone said above, we could be so much more with Jürgen at the helm, even just a modest investment and we would fly.  But instead we do it all on a shoestring.

      Yeah Elliot and Gini are completely different players.

      I think with Elliot Klopp was trying to play a slightly different midfield with one of the 3 more advanced rather than 3 CM’s.

      Gini has left a huge hole as he was the one who would fill in the gaps which it seems Ox and Hendo are incapable of doing.

      Still criminal that one of our midfield didn’t bring Bowen down.

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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #733: Nov 08, 2021 08:56:40 am
      Am trying to quote Lallana in Pyjamas post number 664 relating to Klopp spending £560 million since his arrival but it won't let me quote the post.



      This is what pisses me off about some supporters on this forum and in public in general. At least try and put things into perspective.


      Klopp has actually spent £97,950,000. Link to information is here - https://www.anfield-online.co.uk/stats/jurgen-klopp-lfc-transfer-signings.html



      Amount spent on players in under Klopp - 41 Players Bought: £514,050,000.



      Amount recouped on player sales under Klopp - 44 Players Sold: £416,100,000.



      This equates to a spend of £19,590,000 per Season based on a 5 Season spread. When you actually use and demonstrate perspective it just highlights what a phenomenal job Klopp has done in his time here.



      Anyone can say that Klopp has spent £560,000,000 in his time here, though the above figures and article link dispute that. When you make that statement without mentioning the fact that Klopp had to recoup £416,100,000 of that amount through moving players out of the Club then you are truly doing a disservice to the outstanding job he has actually done.



      Guardiola has spent £918,017,363 since he took over. He has recouped £351,350,000. Equating to a net spend of roughly £120,000,000 per Season.



      Just shy of £20 million per Season is Championship level spending. Let that sink in for a minute.

      Klopp is a genius. Could Pep do what Klopp has done here? I doubt it. Pep is used to getting everything he wants, Klopp isn't afforded that luxury, yet he produces consistently. We are lucky to have him.
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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #734: Nov 08, 2021 09:10:11 am
      Can I ask genuinely

      A first defeat in 25 games, against a very solid team, but effectively the loss was our own making, why do we feel the need to question everything? Why did we not buy him, why did we sell him, weve only spent this, should have played him etc etc

      Us city and chelsea all on 1 defeat so far..You reckon chelsea and citys world collapsed when they lost? Were off top because we have drawn 2 more games then chelsea......that can be made up in the next 2 games

      I really think some people need to relax before posting, have a little think about it. Whatever about in game when emotions are flying but afterwards when you have time to think.

      We lost a game for the first time in 6 months by making some basic errors, not playing very well and not taking some of our own decent efforts.

      Really its not a disaster and conversing about things that cant be changed or controlled now isnt going to change anything. 4 points off top in early November, yeah Ill take that....ill come back in a panic on new years day if were more than 8 points off top
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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #735: Nov 08, 2021 09:25:47 am
      Seemed to be beaten by a well organised West Ham side, although to be fair battled until the end, with a good goal from Origi. The worst part there being another annoying International break. Hopefully we will bounce back straight away to move closer to our rivals Chelsea & City.
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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #736: Nov 08, 2021 09:32:07 am
      Can I ask genuinely

      A first defeat in 25 games, against a very solid team, but effectively the loss was our own making, why do we feel the need to question everything? Why did we not buy him, why did we sell him, weve only spent this, should have played him etc etc

      Us city and chelsea all on 1 defeat so far..You reckon chelsea and citys world collapsed when they lost? Were off top because we have drawn 2 more games then chelsea......that can be made up in the next 2 games

      I really think some people need to relax before posting, have a little think about it. Whatever about in game when emotions are flying but afterwards when you have time to think.

      We lost a game for the first time in 6 months by making some basic errors, not playing very well and not taking some of our own decent efforts.

      Really its not a disaster and conversing about things that cant be changed or controlled now isnt going to change anything. 4 points off top in early November, yeah Ill take that....ill come back in a panic on new years day if were more than 8 points off top

      I think the difference is we look like conceding against any team who decide to give it a go.

      Klopp will no doubt look at the issue as it’s now become a recurrent theme.

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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #737: Nov 08, 2021 10:14:29 am
      Am trying to quote Lallana in Pyjamas post number 664 relating to Klopp spending £560 million since his arrival but it won't let me quote the post.



      This is what pisses me off about some supporters on this forum and in public in general. At least try and put things into perspective.


      Klopp has actually spent £97,950,000. Link to information is here - https://www.anfield-online.co.uk/stats/jurgen-klopp-lfc-transfer-signings.html



      Amount spent on players in under Klopp - 41 Players Bought: £514,050,000.



      Amount recouped on player sales under Klopp - 44 Players Sold: £416,100,000.



      This equates to a spend of £19,590,000 per Season based on a 5 Season spread. When you actually use and demonstrate perspective it just highlights what a phenomenal job Klopp has done in his time here.



      Anyone can say that Klopp has spent £560,000,000 in his time here, though the above figures and article link dispute that. When you make that statement without mentioning the fact that Klopp had to recoup £416,100,000 of that amount through moving players out of the Club then you are truly doing a disservice to the outstanding job he has actually done.



      Guardiola has spent £918,017,363 since he took over. He has recouped £351,350,000. Equating to a net spend of roughly £120,000,000 per Season.



      Just shy of £20 million per Season is Championship level spending. Let that sink in for a minute.

      Klopp is a genius. Could Pep do what Klopp has done here? I doubt it. Pep is used to getting everything he wants, Klopp isn't afforded that luxury, yet he produces consistently. We are lucky to have him.

      It’s still money spent - we still spent £75mil on VVD , still spent £60mil plus on Alisson

      We are a club that is self sustaining so the net spend will be lower than others but that doesn’t even take away the bare fact that as a club we have spent a fair amount of money on players since Klopp arrived


      No one is stating that Klopp isn’t doing a great job etc but when it comes to the transfers and finances - that’s edwards , it’s Edwards who is getting the £20mil plus for the likes of a Solanke , Ibe , etc

      We all know the model - it hasn’t changed in a decade , Klopp knows the model , doesn’t appear to have any issues with it but let’s not try and act like we have spent on a shoe string budget - how many times have we broken our transfer record ? 3 ?


      We have still spent as a club a lot of money on players over the past 5/6 years - that’s a fact
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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #738: Nov 08, 2021 10:16:39 am
      Just seeing it again , it’s a bit odd that an absolutely shocking challenge goes in on Henderson and not a single one of our players reacts. They all do absolutely nothing. Maybe they didn’t have a great view, but you could see on TV it was a bad one. And I’ve absolutely no idea why nobody just grabbed hold of Bowen and took a yellow on the 2nd goal. Maybe we are too nice…
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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #739: Nov 08, 2021 10:27:40 am
      Wasn’t offered much protection by our players..

      No support around him for the first goal..

      quite agree, if that was a legal challenge then we stick Konate in front of the keeper every time we get a corner
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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #740: Nov 08, 2021 10:50:23 am
      maybe Jürgen is the problem and is refusing to spend money on players which we know is rubbish Jürgen manages some of the best players in the world and they enjoy playing for him and the club so he isnt going to turn down another 2 or 3 top players. Yesterday was just a bad day which hopefully we will get over the next time we play but it proves we are light on numbers as always players will lose form and get injured.
      Hope we never see that Ref again he and the VAR team want sacking they had no hold or control of the game. I noticed Virgil looked very unhappy at times and I thought he actually had a good game I would like to have been a fly on the wall in the post match dressing room.
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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #741: Nov 08, 2021 10:57:46 am
      just reflecting on our corners why are we so passive why dont we try to push and shove like other team do. The Ref blows talks to a few people the corner is taken and then he blows for a foul it happens a lot . We really need to be a bit more streetwise ALi needs to fall over before the rf blows etc we need to be far more aggressive.
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      Reply #742: Nov 08, 2021 11:00:55 am
      Well , it just a bad day for us (Liverpool), and we will bounce back even stronger . YNWA .
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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #743: Nov 08, 2021 11:04:22 am
      Can I ask genuinely

      A first defeat in 25 games, against a very solid team, but effectively the loss was our own making, why do we feel the need to question everything? Why did we not buy him, why did we sell him, weve only spent this, should have played him etc etc

      Us city and chelsea all on 1 defeat so far..You reckon chelsea and citys world collapsed when they lost? Were off top because we have drawn 2 more games then chelsea......that can be made up in the next 2 games

      I really think some people need to relax before posting, have a little think about it. Whatever about in game when emotions are flying but afterwards when you have time to think.

      We lost a game for the first time in 6 months by making some basic errors, not playing very well and not taking some of our own decent efforts.

      Really its not a disaster and conversing about things that cant be changed or controlled now isnt going to change anything. 4 points off top in early November, yeah Ill take that....ill come back in a panic on new years day if were more than 8 points off top

      And Mane missed a sitter to make it 3-3, and some weird reffin.

      Like I said before, just one of those games that happen sometimes.

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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #744: Nov 08, 2021 11:08:06 am
      just saw the third goal we had 7 players inside the 6 yard box and nobody moved and the W.Ham player just jogged to the back post unchallenged. Whilst Ali can take some blame surely we must make a challenge.
      Since Mo has had his agent talking about contracts and every body claiming him to be the best in the World he hasnt scored the lads just need to get back to working hard for each other and we will get back to form.
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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #745: Nov 08, 2021 11:24:13 am
      ill come back in a panic on new years day if were more than 8 points off top

      To be honest, if we keep defending the way we are, we will be 8 points off top long before New Year’s Day. The fact that every game where we’ve let in a goal, Chelsea game aside, it has been 2-3 times we’ve been picking the ball out the net isn’t a good sign.
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      Reply #746: Nov 08, 2021 11:26:44 am
      Can’t for the life of me understand why so many on here are so quick to criticise when we have just lost for the first time in 25 in all comps, we got beat because Moyes tactics suited his team more than Jürgen’s did for us, his(Moyes) game plan worked a treat….do I really need to spell it out ?…ok I will for the numpties amongst us….they like most clubs have seen how we have absolutely battered teams all across Europe so far this season, ripped them to f***in bits, so your Moyes, what’s the most effective way of nullifying our threat ? no rocket scientist’s need apply, it’s putting 10 of your men behind the f***in ball and hit them on the counter, oh and when we get a set piece or two climb all over their keeper using our muscle in a very aggressive manner, and when we don’t have the ball squeeze the spaces in between the lines so they have f***in nowhere to go except from side to side,

      You could have had Gini on there, or our Ste and it wouldn’t have made the slightest difference, fact is Ali fu**ed up for the first, watch it back and you will see he’s not watching what’s happening, he’s too engrossed with Antonio, and by the time the cross is enroute it’s already too late, Ogbonna has beaten him to the ball, Ali is left flapping, now you can argue all you want about him being impeded, he wasn’t, he simply wasn’t focussed on the ball coming over,
      So we’re now against it, and if we didn’t know already Moyes tactics were in full flow, ten behind the ball, we’ll hit them in the break,

      From then on we struggled, couldn’t find a rhythm, were too slow in the build up and had no space to work with, thought the ref was a f***in joke, another example of how inept the officials are for this league, out of his depth is a understatement, and how the f**k Cresswell stays on the pitch is beyond me, that assault on Hendo was reminiscent of that Kunt Pickford on Virgil, I honestly feared the worst, and why didn’t VAR intervene?

      I could go on and on but I won’t, in a very large nutshell, it was a very bad day at the office, that is all, we’ve all seen bad office days before and no doubt we will again, in a funny sort of way this a good time for a international break, (personally I’d withdraw all my players from international duty) and spend the two weeks in a training camp somewhere warm and sunny, F**k National pride !

      Although I hate to say it but fair play to Moyes and his boys, they did a job on us and hopefully when the time is right they will employ  the same tactics to City and Chavs, these kind of things even themselves  out, it was just our turn to miss out that’s all.


      WE GO AGAIN!!!!



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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #747: Nov 08, 2021 11:30:12 am
      Poor defending and poor passing is what cost us yesterday. They hit us from corners and from us giving away possession.

      Can't be arsed scapegoating as we just weren't good enough as a team.
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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #748: Nov 08, 2021 11:31:22 am
      how the f**k Cresswell stays on the pitch is beyond me, that assault on Hendo was reminiscent of that Kunt Pickford on Virgil, I honestly feared the worst, and why didn’t VAR intervene?

      VAR did intervene, they deemed it fair. It seems that when it comes to putting the knees of our players at risk, anything is fair game because the way neither Pickford or Cresswell have seen red for those challenges is shocking. Cresswell didn’t even get a yellow.
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      Re: West Ham United 3-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #749: Nov 08, 2021 11:39:27 am
      VAR did intervene, they deemed it fair. It seems that when it comes to putting the knees of our players at risk, anything is fair game because the way neither Pickford or Cresswell have seen red for those challenges is shocking. Cresswell didn’t even get a yellow.

      studs to the kneee, Ive seen reds for far less

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