Pre-Match: Liverpool vs Porto: Champions League Wed 24th Nov. KO 8pm

So having already qualified for the knockout rounds, how much rotation is not enough or too much? While Milner and Robbo may be back in contention, looks like Jota is a major doubt for this game.

There were four teenagers on the bench last night in Morton,Gordon, Beck and Bradley. Do we see any of them from the start?

I d expect to see Minamino in the starting XI. Origi had a dead leg yesterday but perhaps he will be back? Kounate should play but I'm not sure who else we can bring in.

Guaranteed first so DO NOT risk any of the big names, treat this like it's the Carabao Cup now until knockout.

Guaranteed first so DO NOT risk any of the big names, treat this like it's the Carabao Cup now until knockout.

Zero chance Jürgen does that
Two main reasons

Rhythm
Money

regardless of the team we put out its just so much better to watch than England V the Dog and Duck.

Zero chance Jürgen does that
Two main reasons

Rhythm
Money

Yeah, think it's round about £2.5m prize money for each group stage victory, so can't see him throwing all the kids out. That said, we should be able to beat them handily with a few key players out so I would expect a bit of rotation. Nothing too major though

Zero chance Jürgen does that
Two main reasons

Rhythm
Money

Third reason: respect for the competition, fans and opponents.

Jürgen knows fans are paying big money to attend these games, some of which may be traveling from afar, so I doubt he’ll put out the reserves.

I expect it to be a competitive team.

Kelleher

Williams    Konate    Virgil    Tsimikas

Fabinho     Thiago

Gordon      Minamino      Jota

Origi

Something along those lines.

We will probably see half the 'first teamers' on Wednesday and the other half away in Milan.

Cash is king!

Kelleher

Williams    Konate    Virgil    Tsimikas

Fabinho     Thiago

Gordon      Minamino      Jota

Origi

Something along those lines.

Gordon not eligible

Jota might not make this expect Trent ,Kostas ,Matip and Fab to be on bench to be rested hopefullyNaby and Milner can get some minutes.  Will play all our subs and just try and ensure breathers given where necessary
 

           Kelleher
Neco  Konate Gomez Kostas
    Morton Hendo Milner
      AOC Taki Mane

If Origi can make it would stick him in instead of Mane.
Jota I thought got a knock yest, so would rest him.

Would just be functional and give guys game time..
Jürgen will probably play a couple more first teamers, I just don't see the point though with the group wrapped up.

Anyone that has the slightest niggle or strain wont be anywhere near this game. which is brilliant.

Defo fancy neco & Morton to get starts.

apart from that just dunno.

Didnt the boss already admit due to tge finances involved that well go full out in the remaining games?

Anyway coomon sense should say rest VVD and Matip and I dont think we need to go with our front 3 either, 2 maybe but not 3

Jürgen must have already been prepared to be responsible if any of our first team players get injured during the remaining group matches. I can see guns blazing at him if we lose any of our key players in the subsequent group matches. Some will call him stubborn as with late or no subs whenever we needed to change players in past games.

Gordon not eligible

U21 players don't get a free pass to play?

Didnt the boss already admit due to tge finances involved that well go full out in the remaining games?

Anyway coomon sense should say rest VVD and Matip and I dont think we need to go with our front 3 either, 2 maybe but not 3

if money is important get JH to play. No way Jürgen will field his best XI

U21 players don't get a free pass to play?

Not if you have just only arrived at the club

Konate, Minamino and Kelleher will come in. I wouldn’t risk Thiago but I think he’ll get the nod.

Salah will probably start too because he’s a machine and he’ll want to continue getting goals in the UCL.

I do t think it will be first 11, but hope it’s reasonably strong as I’ve gone for 3:0 in the predictions. 😂😂

Alisson, Williams, Konate, Matip, Kostas, Hendo, Morton, Ox, Taki, Mo & Mane.

Milly, Keita, Phillips I would all expect to be on at some stage.

Left Origi out on the basis he seemed a way off being able to make the bench vs Arsenal but obviously if fit enough I’d half expect to see him ahead of Mane or Salah….probably Mane because he’s more likely to pick up a booking.

Gomez

He’s injured.

Hopefully Big Nat gets a start alongside Konate since Gomez is hurt. Having 5 subs will also help a lot with early subs for any regulars who may start.

Could use this game as a kind of pre-season warm up, first half play a fairly strong X1, second half change it slightly depending on the score and who Jürgen wants to rest,

First Half

Kelleher, Neco, Konate Phillips Tsimikas, Fabinho, Henderson, Thiago, Salah, Jota,Mane

Second Half

Kelleher, Neco,Konate Phillips Tsimikas Henderson Morton,Jones, Jota, Origi Mane,

Or something similar, depending on the condition of returning players like Milner,  Gomez, Jones, Origi, Robbo,

Think Jürgen said himself he won't be cutting back too much and more or less play those in and around the first team, perhaps that's why he played one or two of the young lads recently, to get the tuned in to first team action.




                                 YNWA

Didnt the boss already admit due to tge finances involved that well go full out in the remaining games?

Anyway coomon sense should say rest VVD and Matip and I dont think we need to go with our front 3 either, 2 maybe but not 3

Pretty sure he wont take any risks especially with midfielders. But saying that options are limited.

Morton and young williams have to start.

Im guessing something like this. only question for me, is VVD or philips ?

--------------- Kehler ------------
- Williams - Konate - VVD - Kostas
-------------- Morton ------------
------- Hendo ----- OX ----------
--- Salah - Jota - Taki ----------

Strong bench with all 5 subs being used.

Hopefully Big Nat gets a start alongside Konate since Gomez is hurt. Having 5 subs will also help a lot with early subs for any regulars who may start.

Given Phillips couldn’t even get any starts in the League Cup, I’d be surprised if he was to start this game.

There won’t be many wholesale changes


Alisson
Williams
Konate
VVD
Kostas

Henderson
Fabinho
Ox

Origi
Taki
Mo

There won’t be many wholesale changes

Yea, we have no depth. Can’t afford to rotate… Whose fault?

Pretty sure he wont take any risks especially with midfielders. But saying that options are limited.

Morton and young williams have to start.

Im guessing something like this. only question for me, is VVD or philips ?

--------------- Kehler ------------
- Williams - Konate - VVD - Kostas
-------------- Morton ------------
------- Hendo ----- OX ----------
--- Salah - Jota - Taki ----------

Strong bench with all 5 subs being used.

Def hope Morton gets a start and if he does then i also see us having a strong team around him to protect him. Even though we’re already through it’s still a big stage and don’t want him to potentially get exposed against a team that will offer threats offensively.

Zero chance Jürgen does that
Two main reasons

Rhythm
Money

Rhythm ? not a chance. Money

Rhythm ? not a chance. Money

From Jurgens point of view?

Nah rhythm will be his top priority, money behind that

If you think that about Jürgen then you don’t get the man

Or is it like the other side, you’re so quick to get your digs in about the owners you’re blind to sense like the ones who want to simply throw net spenders into it as a blanket debate killer want to kill it the other side

NB: Team no longer available

We need our player fresh for the weekned. I would play like that. At half time, I would change Philips with VVD and Gordon with Mane.

Agree that we should play a reasonably strong side with the weekend game in mind. Ox should be in the starting line up, needs minutes on the pitch. Good idea start Neco Williams. Rotate the strikers maybe bringing Origi on at some point, always likely to grab a goal. Anyhow going for a 3  0 victory for the Reds, after their stunning win against Arsenal.

Is Origi still not out with a wee Injury?

 F**k Atleti play 11 kids. Remember Jota getting injured in a dead CL game. Cant afford that again.

Injury worries over Diogo Jota and an illness for Divock Origi mean the hamstring Roberto Firmino may not be the only Liverpool forward missing on Wednesday.

Takumi Minamino is almost certain to start but, similar to the midfield, there's every chance Sadio Mane and Mohamed Salah may have to feature.

From the echo.

Hendo almost certain to start in MF with Morton and ox or Thiago.

Talking about williams, Philips, Konate & Kostas as the back 4.

And a very young bench.

Great position to be in to actaully rest players and not worry too much about the guys with small injuries.

F**k Atleti play 11 kids.

Nothing to do with them, we won’t do that for our own reasons

Rhythm and finance

Also the “kids” play Porto in their own game in the afternoon of the same day

Klopp hinting Robbo & hendo maybe not quite ready to start, so both probably on bench and get 30mins or something.

Thiago did an Interview so hes probably starting. Makes sense he needs games.

Nothing to do with them, we won’t do that for our own reasons

Rhythm and finance

Also the “kids” play Porto in their own game in the afternoon of the same day

The 4 on the bench Saturday should stay w the first team. Plenty of others to play for the u19s in UEFA.

Expect

Alisson

Trent Konate Matip Robbo

     OX Hendo Fab

    Mo  Jota  Mane

Would like

Kevin

 Bradley Konate Nat Kostas

       Morton Hendo Williams

          Mo   Jota   Minamino

Win 'em both, finance half the raise Salah wants (for one year)

Klopp hinting Robbo & hendo maybe not quite ready to start, so both probably on bench and get 30mins or something.

See, this is how you excuse yourself from naming a strong side. Unfit, injured etc…

Origi back training so another bonus for the squad.

From Jurgens point of view?

Nah rhythm will be his top priority, money behind that

If you think that about Jürgen then you don’t get the man

Or is it like the other side, you’re so quick to get your digs in about the owners you’re blind to sense like the ones who want to simply throw net spenders into it as a blanket debate killer want to kill it the other side

Did you see the after match interview after the Atletico game? He even admitted it's because the club want the money.

Did you see the after match interview after the Atletico game? He even admitted it's because the club want the money.

Yeah mate, I’m talking purely from the managers view point
He would want rhythm, the people above him are concerned about the money

Both reasons mean he will pick a strong (enough) side and it won’t be wholesale changes like some want

Klopp won’t ever make wholesale changes in CL games.

Klopp won’t ever make wholesale changes in CL games.

Reminds me of Rafa playing the likes of Lee Peltier and Danny Guthrie against Galatasary (I think) back in 2006. Playing in that nifty white away strip with green piping we had that season (the strip we beat Barca in a few months later).

Good times.

Klopp won’t ever make wholesale changes in CL games.

He wouldn't and that people don't see this goes to show they don't pay attention. This isn't the Carabao Cup against Preston. It's the CL against a team that will come out to win as they are fighting for 2nd place to get out of the group stages.

"We always respect the competition but we have to think about ourselves, our schedule and the situation of our players first.

whatever line-up we will show tomorrow night, it is only about winning the game and winning this game, and winning the next and winning the next, all these kind of things. That’s what we are here for.

It is really easy to sit there where you sit or where all the people who judge us in this moment sit and say, 'Leave him out, leave him out.' We leave them all out and we play with a team which is not a Champions League team – we don’t have enough players for that, by the way – and then nobody can get injured. The first question was how much we respect the integrity of the competition. So, it is so easy to sit in your chair and ask these kind of questions, to be honest. We have to line up a team who has a chance to win the football game. The Diogo situation was very unlucky and I hated it that I made the decision. But would I have done the decision the same again? That's the only question I have to answer. Yes, because you need stability. We cannot play football games like with this line-up and then next game [a] line-up who no chance to win a game and then bring them back again. Players need rhythm, all these kind of things. So really, that you only bring it up, I don’t think it’s fair that you bring up this old story that a player got injured. They all can get injured. Do I make the decision who I don't care if he gets injured with the line-up tomorrow night? No, I can’t and I will not. These things happen in football and hopefully nothing happens tomorrow."


https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/klopp-team-selection-porto-minamino-form-and-mortons-progress

Really tough to predict this one. I'd like to see Taki and Neco start as we've heard both have developed further. Taki looks a lot physically stronger to me than when he arrived. Going for a narrow 2-1 win with a bit of a disjointed performance.

Reminds me of Rafa playing the likes of Lee Peltier and Danny Guthrie against Galatasary (I think) back in 2006. Playing in that nifty white away strip with green piping we had that season (the strip we beat Barca in a few months later).

Good times.

I knew Lee Peltier was still playing for Middlesborough, but I just looked up Danny Guthrie and learned he played this past season (spring to fall) in Iceland.

Hopefully we’ll play a fairly strong team - though there’s a few I’d like to see wrapped in cotton wool. Let’s rest Thiago, Trent… and Mo.

Would be great to see Minamino start, and surely we kept Origi for dead rubbers like this….

Whatever side we put out, let's hope we rip them a new one!

Let's carry on in style, with a win and another clean sheet !

There won’t be many wholesale changes


Alisson
Williams
Konate
VVD
Kostas

Henderson
Fabinho
Ox

Origi
Taki
Mo

So just the 6 then?!?!

So just the 6 then?!?!

Not too many. Only 6 of 11 - 55%.

So just the 6 then?!?!

5 👍

Virgil should rest

If Morton does start I think Matip or VVD will start to help the lad.

Probably Virg, as we know how Matip picks up Injuries.

Whatever team it is, it will be an interesting game.

                                  Kellerher

N Williams      Philips          Konate            Tsimikas

            Henderson     Milner       Morten 

    AOC                      Origi                Minamino

Saturday is a much much bigger game. And with our current injury issues I'd hope to not have to see any of the players I've left out.         

                                  Kellerher

N Williams      Philips          Konate            Tsimikas

            Henderson     Milner       Morten 

    AOC                      Origi                Minamino

Saturday is a much much bigger game. And with our current injury issues I'd hope to not have to see any of the players I've left out.         

Yeah I’d go with that but the money men might have other ideas...

with all the crap going on in the world how feckin great is it to have the game tonight to look forward. I dont care what side Jürgen puts out it will be good enough for me. 

Yeah I’d go with that but the money men might have other ideas...

And Klopp will have other ideas as he has already stated about the integrity of the competition.

And Klopp will have other ideas as he has already stated about the integrity of the competition.

doesnt he say the same about the FA Cup. He will put out a side he thinks is strong enough to win it.

younglings beating porto 3 nil. :-)

doesnt he say the same about the FA Cup. He will put out a side he thinks is strong enough to win it.

Doesn’t use the same sort of language- has said uses the cups to rotate and rest players but has the belief the team he puts out is good enough to win

younglings beating porto 3 nil. :-)

Any of Gordon,Morton,Bradley or Beck in that team?

All but Morton started and played. Wont  be a kids' side tonight.

doesnt he say the same about the FA Cup. He will put out a side he thinks is strong enough to win it.

There’s no money in winning the domestic cups so the “pressure” from above isn’t the same

Doesn’t use the same sort of language- has said uses the cups to rotate and rest players but has the belief the team he puts out is good enough to win

We must only rotate twice a season then because we usually get knocked out in the 3rd round of each Cup very year.

Tonight is an ideal chance ... cant risk a threadbare squad getting more injuries in a game with nothing on it and then complain about the amount of games.

We have done the job and earned the right to rotate. And to be totally honest if people don't like it then tough. Nobody does us any favors. Id love to see Porto or Milan advance at the expense of athletico.

Jürgen spells it out and people still don't get it 

Jürgen spells it out and people still don't get it 

Jürgen spells what out?

Jürgen spells what out?

Why he won't play the U23s like some want him to.

Why he won't play the U23s like some want him to.

The u23s? There are 7 or 8 lads in the first team squad who arnt getting any football and id be happy to see all of them start. That's the first team squad ... not the u23s. Anyone wanting a team of kids out there tonight is both unrealistic and abit daft.

Why he won't play the U23s like some want him to.

Yeah we know

Rhythm for him, finance for the money men/club

The u23s? There are 7 or 8 lads in the first team squad who arnt getting any football and id be happy to see all of them start. That's the first team squad ... not the u23s. Anyone wanting a team of kids out there tonight is both unrealistic and abit daft.

And there are quite a few of those here. It will be a rotated team for sure, and this is a great opportunity to get young players like Morton a chance to play, players coming back from injury minutes to get back in shape as well, fringe players a chance to get some minutes and regular starters to keep their rhythm. Having 5 subs makes it even sweeter.

It will likely be disjointed and ugly at times today since that is what happens when you play 10 field players who seldom or never play together, but it will have plenty of benefits to all involved.

Any of Gordon,Morton,Bradley or Beck in that team?

All but Morton started and played. Wont  be a kids' side tonight.

yea. only morton left out.

And there are quite a few of those here. It will be a rotated team for sure, and this is a great opportunity to get young players like Morton a chance to play, players coming back from injury minutes to get back in shape as well, fringe players a chance to get some minutes and regular starters to keep their rhythm. Having 5 subs makes it even sweeter.

It will likely be disjointed and ugly at times today since that is what happens when you play 10 field players who seldom or never play together, but it will have plenty of benefits to all involved.

Deffo mate. The right thing to do though.

Yeah we know

Rhythm for him, finance for the money men/club

His quote is in the previous page, go read it if you haven't yet.

Deffo mate. The right thing to do though.

It is, though unsurprising all the usual few keep saying "it's just for the money", even when the boss lays it all out. Such is the level of daftness.

His quote is in the previous page, go read it if you haven't yet.

I’ve seen it mate, I’ve heard it too

But if you think he says exactly  what he thinks in press conference you’re naive mate

What’s his favourite saying in press conferences?

I’m not writing the headlines for you

So what do you think he does? Like we all do, doesn’t say exactly what he thinks, and says what creates the least problems

It is, though unsurprising all the usual few keep saying "it's just for the money", even when the boss lays it all out. Such is the level of daftness.

I didn’t say just for money… his main concern will be rhythm

We must only rotate twice a season then because we usually get knocked out in the 3rd round of each Cup very year.

Tonight is an ideal chance ... cant risk a threadbare squad getting more injuries in a game with nothing on it and then complain about the amount of games.

We have done the job and earned the right to rotate. And to be totally honest if people don't like it then tough. Nobody does us any favors. Id love to see Porto or Milan advance at the expense of athletico.

Klopp isn’t a rotator too much


If fit the following will play ever league and CL match


Alisson
TAA
vVD
Robbo

Fabinho
Henderson

Mane
Mo


Bobby and Jota will be the choice depending on opposition

Matip will 9/10 be next to VVD


The midfield is the one area where he does make changes more regualry

I’ve seen it mate, I’ve heard it too

But if you think he says exactly  what he thinks in press conference you’re naive mate

What’s his favourite saying in press conferences?

I’m not writing the headlines for you

So what do you think he does? Like we all do, doesn’t say exactly what he thinks, and says what creates the least problems


I didn’t say just for money… his main concern will be rhythm

So i'm naive for taking what he boss says which is consistent with what he has said in the past, but you and the others are correct in the assessment that it's about money. Sure.

So i'm naive for taking what he boss says which is consistent with what he has said in the past, but you're and the others are correct in the assessment that it's about money. Sure.

Do you not read where I say his main concern is rhythm? Or just simply ignore it?

And yes if you think he tells the press exactly what he thinks… yes you’re naive

Do you not read where I say his main concern is rhythm? Or just simply ignore it?

And yes if you think he tells the press exactly what he thinks… yes you’re naive

only in clown world. Moving on.

only in clown world. Moving on.

😀

Honestly mate, get back to counting the fairies at the end of your garden

Any of Gordon,Morton,Bradley or Beck in that team?

All but Morton started and played. Wont  be a kids' side tonight.

Gordon is ineligible anyway mate

You can have your unregistered B list who can play but he’s not on that either as you have to have been at the club for 3 years or something to qualify for that

£2M for a group stage win?  Don't expect a League Cup line up.

Fingers crossed nobody picks up an injury.

Looking forward to this. Love European nights and for a change itll be a relaxed night, though im not sure thats a positive!!

Whoever starts lets just hope were sharp and sluck. Would be a bonus if the crowd could join in from 8 through to around 9.50 and not in sporadic bursts

As I posted yesterday I think well go near full team, Konate in for 1 of the lads and maybe Tiki in for one of the front 3....if thats the case I just pray no injuries

Come on Redmen

Team rumoured to be


Alisson
Neco
Matip
Konate
Tsimikas
Ox
Thiago
Morton
Salah
Taki
Mane

Just play the fringe players and kids.

Rhythm will only be a concern if our strong team starts and loses and picks up injuries.


If our fringe players lose there will be no rhythm issues.

I’d much rather we played a stronger team in the league cup quarter final now than this dead rubber.

Team rumoured to be


Alisson
Neco
Matip
Konate
Tsimikas
Ox
Thiago
Morton
Salah
Taki
Mane

Would have liked to see Kelleher. The rest makes sense if Divock is not yet recovered.