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      Liverpool players who were the bestin the world

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      Liverpool players who were the bestin the world
      Dec 06, 2021 02:41:00 pm
      We have had some ridiculosly good players here over the years. Some like Terry Mc, Ray Kennedy, Jan Molby who dont get the recognition the talent they had deserved.

      But over the years how many if any, Liverpool players could be classed as the best in the world at any given time?

      Probably hard to say and bias would likely come into play but lets see what we come back with
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      Reply #1: Dec 06, 2021 02:48:43 pm
      As great as our 80's midfield was Souness and McDermott were not as good as Socrates and Zico. Suarez was the best striker in the world in 2014, but few would claim him to be the best player in the world. Only now with Salah and only for the last few months can we make that claim.
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      Reply #2: Dec 06, 2021 02:49:55 pm
      John Barnes was for 2 years or so without  a doubt
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      Reply #3: Dec 06, 2021 02:51:34 pm
      Keegan
      Rush
      Kenny
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      Barnes
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      Reply #4: Dec 06, 2021 02:52:04 pm
      Possibly El Nino in his pomp.
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      Reply #5: Dec 06, 2021 02:52:14 pm
      As great as our 80's midfield was Souness and McDermott were not as good as Socrates and Zico. Suarez was the best striker in the world in 2014, but few would claim him to be the best player in the world. Only now with Salah and only for the last few months can we make that claim.

      Id say Kenny could argue his case 78 to 81 maybe? Barnes 88 to 90 had few if any above him

      Could Stevie make a claim?
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      Reply #6: Dec 06, 2021 02:57:38 pm
      John Barnes was for 2 years or so without  a doubt

      It's a good shout, but look where Barnes places on the Ballon d'or in 87 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Ballon_d%27Or
      In 88 he wasn't even listed.
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      Reply #7: Dec 06, 2021 03:03:36 pm
      Undoubtedly Suarez was the best player in the world for me in 13-14 and in the following season with Barca as well. He was a godsend to Luis Enrique that year for Barca. An extraordinary level of performance.

      Gerrard in 2005 and 2008 could lay claim as well.
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      Reply #8: Dec 06, 2021 03:04:26 pm
      It's a good shout, but look where Barnes places on the Ballon d'or in 87 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Ballon_d%27Or
      In 88 he wasn't even listed.

      Politics involved in that

      Id say Kenny could argue his case 78 to 81 maybe? Barnes 88 to 90 had few if any above him

      Could Stevie make a claim?

      Gerrard 100%
      Look at how others talked about him, and if he had chosen to leave he could have chosen his destination.. they’d have all wanted him
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      Reply #9: Dec 06, 2021 03:07:47 pm
      Michael Owen 2001 surely?
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      Reply #10: Dec 06, 2021 03:11:13 pm

      Ah f**k, can't believe I forgot about that one. Most definitely for me too. Absolutely outstanding - no English striker has come close to his standards since.
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      Reply #11: Dec 06, 2021 03:12:28 pm
      Ah f**k, can't believe I forgot about that one. Most definitely for me too. Absolutely outstanding - no English striker has come close to his standards since.

      He was f**king tasty wasnt he. I loved him but not the same way as God, God was adoration
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      Reply #12: Dec 06, 2021 03:13:45 pm


      He may have won that award but he was never the best in the world
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      Reply #13: Dec 06, 2021 03:17:19 pm
      He was f**king tasty wasnt he. I loved him but not the same way as God, God was adoration

      Loved Owen too - my number 1 favourite player growing up.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nDezbrezQk
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      Reply #14: Dec 06, 2021 03:59:26 pm
      Loved Owen too - my number 1 favourite player growing up.

      It pains me to admit it now, but he's the reason I started supporting Liverpool...
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      Reply #15: Dec 06, 2021 05:32:14 pm
      It's a good shout, but look where Barnes places on the Ballon d'or in 87 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Ballon_d%27Or
      In 88 he wasn't even listed.

      Not surprised with English teams banned from Europe!!
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      Reply #16: Dec 06, 2021 05:35:03 pm

      He may have won that award but he was never the best in the world
      Fck alls changed then , neither was Modric , neither Messi this time farce of an award
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      Reply #17: Dec 06, 2021 07:12:54 pm
      It's a good shout, but look where Barnes places on the Ballon d'or in 87 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Ballon_d%27Or
      In 88 he wasn't even listed.

      Sums up that Sh*te award
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      Reply #18: Dec 06, 2021 07:23:23 pm
      Not surprised with English teams banned from Europe!!

      Yeah, achievement comes into these things, but you can still be the best player in the world while playing for a club that doesn't qualify. Was Barnes better than Van Basten, Gullit at that time? Not sure. Michael Laudrup was also an absolute genius. There was a big rumour that we wanted to get him, but went for Beardsley instead. Beardsley was great, but imagine Laudrup in that team. F***ing hell.
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      Reply #19: Dec 06, 2021 07:24:33 pm

      There shouldn't even be individual awards in football in my view.
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      Reply #20: Dec 06, 2021 07:24:38 pm
      Yeah, achievement comes into these things, but you can still be the best player in the world while playing for a club that doesn't qualify. Was Barnes better than Van Basten, Gullit at that time? Not sure. Michael Laudrup was also an absolute genius. There was a big rumour that we wanted to get him, but went for Beardsley instead. Beardsley was great, but imagine Laudrup in that team. F***ing hell.

      Yes Barnes was better than those players - Beardsley was better than Laudrup

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      Reply #21: Dec 06, 2021 07:29:25 pm
      Yes Barnes was better than those players - Beardsley was better than Laudrup

      Not a chance on your second claim.
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      Reply #22: Dec 06, 2021 07:38:35 pm
      Yes Barnes was better than those players - Beardsley was better than Laudrup



      I loved Beardsley, a gem, another underrated star, God he was special. Not sure he can be classed as better then Laudrup though, better then Brian yes but Michael, not so sure
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      Reply #23: Dec 06, 2021 07:40:48 pm
      Yeah, achievement comes into these things, but you can still be the best player in the world while playing for a club that doesn't qualify. Was Barnes better than Van Basten, Gullit at that time? Not sure. Michael Laudrup was also an absolute genius. There was a big rumour that we wanted to get him, but went for Beardsley instead. Beardsley was great, but imagine Laudrup in that team. F***ing hell.

      We had him. 3 year deal agreed and we changed last minute to a 4 year deal, he wasnt happy that we changed an agreement and that was that. Self confessed red to
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      Reply #24: Dec 06, 2021 07:44:04 pm
      We had him. 3 year deal agreed and we changed last minute to a 4 year deal, he wasnt happy that we changed an agreement and that was that. Self confessed red to

      I never knew that. Jesus. If only..
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      Reply #25: Dec 06, 2021 07:47:48 pm
      I never knew that. Jesus. If only..

      He was only a kid, 19 I think, had we got him we might never have signed Barnsey. But well never know.
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      Reply #26: Dec 06, 2021 07:50:53 pm
      Not a chance on your second claim.


      Very much so - Beardsley was genius and very much under appreciated how good he was for us - he was a massive reason why went downhill quickly when Souness sold him

      Laudrup was the continental name and I thought he was excellent but wouldn’t swap Beardsley for him
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      Reply #27: Dec 06, 2021 08:07:51 pm

      Very much so - Beardsley was genius and very much under appreciated how good he was for us - he was a massive reason why went downhill quickly when Souness sold him

      Laudrup was the continental name and I thought he was excellent but wouldn’t swap Beardsley for him

      Very possible Peter is the best 2 footed player Ive seen
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      Reply #28: Dec 06, 2021 08:09:19 pm
      Very possible Peter is the best 2 footed player Ive seen

      His vision and touch was outstanding. He was very close to being better than Kenny in that 7 role , he linked Barnes , Aldo and then Rush together
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      Reply #29: Dec 06, 2021 08:10:16 pm
      He was only a kid, 19 I think, had we got him we might never have signed Barnsey. But well never know.

      Laudrup would have played the ten, the Beardsley role. So we'd still need Barnes. Ah well, no point thinking about it now. It was still the most aesthetically pleasing team I've ever seen outside of Brazil 70 and 82.
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      Reply #30: Dec 06, 2021 08:12:39 pm
      Laudrup would have played the ten, the Beardsley role. So we'd still need Barnes. Ah well, no point thinking about it now. It was still the most aesthetically pleasing team I've ever seen outside of Brazil 70 and 82.


      They were looking to get Laudrup in 83 - 5 years before Barnes and Co arrived


      If Laudrup had signed he would have left before then
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      Reply #31: Dec 06, 2021 08:17:31 pm
      So at the minute were saying

      Salah, now regarded as best in the world

      Owen a fair shout around 01

      Gerrard perhaps

      Dalglish and Keegan circa 76 to 83

      Barnes 87 to 90
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      Reply #32: Dec 06, 2021 08:18:29 pm

      They were looking to get Laudrup in 83 - 5 years before Barnes and Co arrived


      If Laudrup had signed he would have left before then

      Oh, my error. Thought Laudrup was older when we wanted him, and Beardsley the alternative.
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      Reply #33: Dec 06, 2021 08:25:06 pm
      Oh, my error. Thought Laudrup was older when we wanted him, and Beardsley the alternative.

      It was when he was at Brondby- they wanted to give him a 4 year contact instead of 3 year that was previously agreed

      Went to Lazio instead - we did ok without him 😂

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      Reply #34: Dec 06, 2021 08:25:32 pm
      So at the minute were saying

      Salah, now regarded as best in the world

      Owen a fair shout around 01

      Gerrard perhaps

      Dalglish and Keegan circa 76 to 83

      Barnes 87 to 90

      No perhaps about Gerrard
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      Reply #35: Dec 06, 2021 08:26:17 pm
      Gerrard was the best in the world for a short period. But he was up against Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo, Keane, Scholes, Lampard, Viera etc.

      It's easy to forgot how muddy the waters normally are when the best two have been so clear and obvious for well over a decade.
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      Reply #36: Dec 06, 2021 08:42:11 pm

      Issac just got in ahead of me, Stevie was up against a heap of world class players, but both Pele and Zidane, at different times, claimed him to be the best in the world, thatll do for me
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      Reply #37: Dec 06, 2021 08:43:46 pm
      Yeah, achievement comes into these things, but you can still be the best player in the world while playing for a club that doesn't qualify. Was Barnes better than Van Basten, Gullit at that time? Not sure. Michael Laudrup was also an absolute genius. There was a big rumour that we wanted to get him, but went for Beardsley instead. Beardsley was great, but imagine Laudrup in that team. F***ing hell.

      The Laudrup deal was before Kenny even became manager, it was to do with the number of years on the contract, think we offered four and he only wanted a three year deal.

      Or as Brian said!!
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      Reply #38: Dec 06, 2021 09:00:49 pm
      Gerrard was the best in the world for a short period. But he was up against Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo, Keane, Scholes, Lampard, Viera etc.

      It's easy to forgot how muddy the waters normally are when the best two have been so clear and obvious for well over a decade.

      What an era. The level of midfielders is so poor around the world now. There also seems to be a major shortage or world class wingers. If we had to replace Salah, hopefully never, who would we even want?

      The level of elite players has definitely taken a step down in recent years.
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      Reply #39: Dec 06, 2021 09:01:05 pm
      Ray Clemence was the best goalie I have ever seen. Stevie has to be viewed against winning the CL with Jimmy Traore and Dudek in goal.
      Is there a better CB than Virgil currently ?. Keegan was special but not a prolific goal scorer. Owen na not for me . Sometimes players dont get the media attention but check out Phil Neals record and ask yourself who was better or more successful than him.
      I dont really care for this Ballon Dor crap If your British or play for a British team you have a mountain to climb.
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      Reply #40: Dec 07, 2021 08:22:11 am
      Kenny is obvious one.

      But apart from that, rush, barnes, beardo

      Im too young to properly remember the shanks teams, but guys like st john mustve been up there as world class.
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      Reply #41: Dec 07, 2021 10:25:25 am
      Kenny is obvious one.

      But apart from that, rush, barnes, beardo

      Im too young to properly remember the shanks teams, but guys like st john mustve been up there as world class.

      there was a bloke called Roger Hunt wasnt bad. Its difficult to judge the likes of Hunt against todays players but of his time he was as good as there was
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      Reply #42: Dec 07, 2021 10:27:50 am
      Kenny is obvious one.

      But apart from that, rush, barnes, beardo

      Im too young to properly remember the shanks teams, but guys like st john mustve been up there as world class.

      As good as some of our lads back then were dont forget that was the time of Pele, Cruyff, Eusebio, Beckenbaur, Best, Mazzola, Garrincha, Yashin, Muller to name a few
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      Reply #43: Dec 07, 2021 10:45:35 am
      there was a bloke called Roger Hunt wasnt bad. Its difficult to judge the likes of Hunt against todays players but of his time he was as good as there was

      defo aye.
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      Reply #44: Dec 07, 2021 10:45:47 am
      As good as some of our lads back then were dont forget that was the time of Pele, Cruyff, Eusebio, Beckenbaur, Best, Mazzola, Garrincha, Yashin, Muller to name a few

      ;D they were alright.
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      Reply #45: Dec 07, 2021 12:24:35 pm
      Very possible Peter is the best 2 footed player Ive seen
      Better than Dalglish???
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      Reply #46: Dec 07, 2021 12:35:35 pm

      No, Dalglish was so good on both feet its hard to tell which foot was his good foot. I only really seen Kenny in the flesh at the end of his career though. I was 7 when he retired. Beardo I seen obviously a lot more live

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