Trending Topics

      Next match: Palace v LFC [Premier League] Sun 23rd Jan @ 2:00 pm
      Selhurst Park

      Today is the 22nd of January and on this date LFC's match record is P22 W9 D4 L9

      LFC Reds Poll

      Q. LFC Man of the Match v Chelsea?

      Caoimhin Kelleher
      59 (72.8%)
      Virgil van Dijk
      0 (0%)
      Ibrahima Konaté
      5 (6.2%)
      Trent Alexander-Arnold
      1 (1.2%)
      Kostas Tsimikas
      4 (4.9%)
       Fabinho
      1 (1.2%)
      James Milner
      2 (2.5%)
      Jordan Henderson
      1 (1.2%)
      Sadio Mane
      1 (1.2%)
      Mohammed Salah
      7 (8.6%)
      Diogo Jota
      0 (0%)
      Naby Keïta
      0 (0%)
      Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
      0 (0%)
      Curtis Jones
      0 (0%)

      Total Members Voted: 81

      Voting closed: Jan 06, 2022 06:24:58 pm

      Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

      Read 5662 times
      0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
      bmck
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 7,803 posts | 1247 
      • YNWA
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #900: Jan 03, 2022 07:17:24 pm
      Your missing the point

      We in each game we led and dropped points were practically full strength and had leaders aplenty, who should see those games out. We didnt.

      Once maybe twice you allow it but 4 times is just not learning from the last one. Nothing to do with owners or anyone outside the squad and management.

      Everytime we drop points the go to us the owners. They have never once taken to the field in a jersey so why are they the go to everytime?  Why is it never the players or management who get looked at first?

      Absolutely they could do more to make sure we land every player we want but they are not to blame for every point we drop

      Don't think I'm missing the point.
      I've seen pretty much all our games.

      Let's take one.
      Are you saying we deserved to win yesterday?
      We went 2 goals up there.
      Imho Chavs controlled the most of the game, and dominated the centre. And draw probably right result.

      We could go on, looking at each game, but tbh I believe in the saying that 'the table doesn't lie'.
      Right now, I think based on how we've played, it's where we deserve to be.

      And you could argue we've actually been quite lucky, in that Salah hasn't missed any matches.
      Brian78
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 18,242 posts | 2440 
      • A Liverbird upon my chest
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #901: Jan 03, 2022 07:18:00 pm
      If we won all our games we would be top whats your point ? We didnt win them because we dont have the quality in depth that City have .


      No and your another who wont see past the owners. The point is we didnt see out 4 games we led in with our best or near enough best team playing in all 4....you tell us how the owners are at fault for blowing 3 leads v f**king brentford or leads v brighton.....fact is we shouldnt and if we dont were well in a title race....squad not good enough? What to hold leads against them 2 teams, really?
      Brian78
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 18,242 posts | 2440 
      • A Liverbird upon my chest
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #902: Jan 03, 2022 07:20:05 pm
      Don't think I'm missing the point.
      I've seen pretty much all our games.

      Let's take one.
      Are you saying we deserved to win yesterday?
      We went 2 goals up there.
      Imho Chavs controlled the most of the game, and dominated the centre. And draw probably right result.

      We could go on, looking at each game, but tbh I believe in the saying that 'the table doesn't lie'.
      Right now, I think based on how we've played, it's where we deserve to be.

      And you could argue we've actually been quite lucky, in that Salah hasn't missed any matches.

      Deserving to win and holding a 2 nil lead are two different things, Ive stated clearly my view on which one of those two I believe should have happenned
      Redman7804
      • Forum Sami Hyypia
      • ***

      • 466 posts | 209 
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #903: Jan 03, 2022 07:21:03 pm
      No and your another who wont see past the owners. The point is we didnt see out 4 games we led in with our best or near enough best team playing in all 4....you tell us how the owners are at fault for blowing 3 leads v f**king brentford or leads v brighton.....fact is we shouldnt and if we dont were well in a title race....squad not good enough? What to hold leads against them 2 teams, really?

      Well if we have essentially the same players playing in those 15 games and they can rest and rotate equal quality, then it’s surely understandable that our lot tire and sometimes can’t hold onto those leads no?
      HamannsTheMan
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 2,767 posts | 1782 
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #904: Jan 03, 2022 07:22:53 pm
      Talk all we want about aunties having testicles but the fact remains a fact

      city won all 15 games they took the lead in

      We won 11 from 15 we took a lead in

      Fook all to do with owners, aunties or anyone else. Had we managed those games, which we should at this stage of the journey the table looks a lot different

      It’s not that straight forward though is it.

      City have more at their disposal to help manage those games. They can bring players on to change games or to hold on to results for them. They can make several changes each week meaning their players are always strong and fresh for each game.

      We don’t have that luxury. Our first 11 will get tired and they will make mistakes because of it. We can already see that now. Trent, Hendo and fabinho in particular all look knackered and it’s no coincidence that we don’t have any backup for any of those players.

      Football games aren’t over when a team takes the lead. Otherwise West Ham would be at the top of the table probably. They’re managed for 90minutes and you can’t rely on the same 11 players week in, week out to 1. Take the lead and 2. Always hold on to it. It’s not as simple as that.
      Brian78
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 18,242 posts | 2440 
      • A Liverbird upon my chest
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #905: Jan 03, 2022 07:23:44 pm
      Well if we have essentially the same players playing in those 15 games and they can rest and rotate equal quality, then it’s surely understandable that our lot tire and sometimes can’t hold onto those leads no?

      we won other games rotating did we not? Not holding leads v bang average teams has essentially cost us. You would think looking at the team sheets in those games you would find some young lads, you wont, youll find our big name experienced players who should know how to hold leads at this stage
      Redman7804
      • Forum Sami Hyypia
      • ***

      • 466 posts | 209 
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #906: Jan 03, 2022 07:25:18 pm
      we won other games rotating did we not? Not holding leads v bang average teams has essentially cost us. You would think looking at the team sheets in those games you would find some young lads, you wont, youll find our big name experienced players who should know how to hold leads at this stage

      Experienced or not, at this level the effort and pace of it, but apparently you think players don’t get tired

      Our depth to theirs allows them to rest and rotate, and we don’t have that luxury
      bmck
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 7,803 posts | 1247 
      • YNWA
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #907: Jan 03, 2022 07:28:30 pm
      City have more at their disposal to help manage those games. They can bring players on to change games or to hold on to results for them. They can make several changes each week meaning their players are always strong and fresh for each game.

      We don’t have that luxury. Our first 11 will get tired and they will make mistakes because of it. We can already see that now. Trent, Hendo and fabinho in particular all look knackered and it’s no coincidence that we don’t have any backup for any of those players.


      In a nutshell.

      Table doesn't lie.
      Brian78
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 18,242 posts | 2440 
      • A Liverbird upon my chest
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #908: Jan 03, 2022 07:30:12 pm
      Experienced or not, at this level the effort and pace of it, but apparently you think players don’t get tired

      Our depth to theirs allows them to rest and rotate, and we don’t have that luxury

      Clutching. Brentford was September how were all our players so tired they couldnt hold on there?

      Redman7804
      • Forum Sami Hyypia
      • ***

      • 466 posts | 209 
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #909: Jan 03, 2022 07:32:40 pm
      Clutching. Brentford was September how were all our players so tired they couldnt hold on there?

      We’re all the games  in September?

      Look, it’s sound mate, if that’s what you believe then no problem..
      I mean it’s not a level playing field between the two but you ignore that and bash them if you like
      Brian78
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 18,242 posts | 2440 
      • A Liverbird upon my chest
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #910: Jan 03, 2022 07:39:39 pm
      We’re all the games  in September?

      Look, it’s sound mate, if that’s what you believe then no problem..
      I mean it’s not a level playing field between the two but you ignore that and bash them if you like

      I believe the following

      We blew a 2 nil lead in a 5 min spell yesterday, should not have been the case and if we get in at half time 2 up and go on and win

      I also believe under no circumstance should we blow leads v Brentford or Brighton, never.

      Thats what I believe. You can all believe what you want and you might be all spot on, or maybe deep down a bit of what Im saying is as close to the reasons were so far off as the reasons you all point to

      Maybe its a mix of both
      waltonl4
      • Forum Legend - Shankly
      • ******

      • 30,433 posts | 5086 
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #911: Jan 03, 2022 07:43:41 pm
      No and your another who wont see past the owners. The point is we didnt see out 4 games we led in with our best or near enough best team playing in all 4....you tell us how the owners are at fault for blowing 3 leads v f**king brentford or leads v brighton.....fact is we shouldnt and if we dont were well in a title race....squad not good enough? What to hold leads against them 2 teams, really?

      bollox your just making stuff up about what we should have done I am talking about REALITY which you deny and still think if we just had a bit more luck we would be top of the league. You are denial we are struggling and we look stale which is down to not keeping the squad fresh.
      Cant wait for Thursdays team news.
      Gill95
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,548 posts | 450 
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #912: Jan 03, 2022 08:09:45 pm
      I believe the following

      We blew a 2 nil lead in a 5 min spell yesterday, should not have been the case and if we get in at half time 2 up and go on and win

      I also believe under no circumstance should we blow leads v Brentford or Brighton, never.

      Thats what I believe. You can all believe what you want and you might be all spot on, or maybe deep down a bit of what Im saying is as close to the reasons were so far off as the reasons you all point to

      Maybe its a mix of both
      Agree there, blowing leads has the been the theme of the season. Atletico, Ac milan in CL. We weren't really tired during that period. Something is off in midfield, or defence. So far attackers only had one off day, and that was Leicester, and I think that was a freak result. And midfield on the other hand have had multiple off days, probably far more than a title winning team should, especially against city.
      Brian78
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 18,242 posts | 2440 
      • A Liverbird upon my chest
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #913: Jan 03, 2022 08:14:23 pm
      bollox your just making stuff up about what we should have done I am talking about REALITY which you deny and still think if we just had a bit more luck we would be top of the league. You are denial we are struggling and we look stale which is down to not keeping the squad fresh.
      Cant wait for Thursdays team news.

      everyone that says anything you dont agree with is bollix isnt it though. You should learn that not everyone sees things the way you do, they certainly dont yours

      problem on here for a good while now f**k all respect for peoples views if its not line with what people want to read. Always reactions like your talking bollox etc.
      Isaac!
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,148 posts | 247 
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #914: Jan 03, 2022 08:17:53 pm
      everyone that says anything you dont agree with is bollix isnt it though. You should learn that not everyone sees things the way you do, they certainly dont yours

      problem on here for a good while now f**k all respect for peoples views if its not line with what people want to read. Always reactions like your talking bollox etc.

      That's the whole of the internet.
      Brian78
      • Forum Legend - Paisley
      • *****

      • 18,242 posts | 2440 
      • A Liverbird upon my chest
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #915: Jan 03, 2022 08:22:53 pm
      That's the whole of the internet.

      I dont do facebook twitter etc, this is the only internet interaction I use. On it since 2007 and whatever the f**k changef in the last couple of years I dont know but say anything people dont agree with and your talking bollix, your a c**t your this your that. Use to have proper good debates on here without that sh*te
      Isaac!
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,148 posts | 247 
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #916: Jan 03, 2022 08:29:25 pm
      I dont do facebook twitter etc, this is the only internet interaction I use. On it since 2007 and whatever the f**k changef in the last couple of years I dont know but say anything people dont agree with and your talking bollix, your a c**t your this your that. Use to have proper good debates on here without that sh*te

      Neither do I, not any more. People act like toddlers when they are anonymous and there are no consequences. Behave on the street as they do online and they'd be in prison or hospital.
      Lallana in Pyjamas
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 4,690 posts | 1486 
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #917: Jan 03, 2022 08:33:36 pm
      I dont do facebook twitter etc, this is the only internet interaction I use. On it since 2007 and whatever the f**k changef in the last couple of years I dont know but say anything people dont agree with and your talking bollix, your a c**t your this your that. Use to have proper good debates on here without that sh*te

      Twitter is the absolute pits - even worse during transfer window time

      The amount of vile abuse on there that gets sent to the owners during the window ( and mainly from foreign “fans” who have never set foot in the city ) is disgusting
      billythered
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 8,556 posts | 3461 
      • From Doubters to Champions of the World
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #918: Jan 03, 2022 09:31:38 pm
      There are some great points made from both sides of the argument, Brian’s point is fairy muff, we can’t blame the owners for chuckling away 2 goal leads, that’s down to the players and to a point Jürgen, at the moment it seems going two up we always chase a third, and by doing so can let opponents back in if they score, sometimes we need to learn to shut up shop and be content with and perhaps defend what we have,

      Its happened 4 times now so like Brian quite rightly said we’re not learning, it’s also a good point in that perhaps having more quality to opt from we would lessen the chances of giving leads away, there are two points here, one, having more quality would mean we could rotate more often and lessen the burden on our already overstretched players, and two, we have the ability to exchange like for like and perhaps even change formation, and retaining the ability to defend what we have,

      Ultimately though it’s still goes back to having enough on the bench to choose from in the first instance, rotation, change of formation, having two for each position, like for like exchanging, and all of that can only work if you have the players at your disposal, and that is down to lack of investment in the transfer market, plain and simple!!

      Introducing young lads is commendable and obviously very welcome but we have to draw the line in relying on them to fill voids in our ranks simply because of lack of investment, they may be very good prospects and have bright future’s but the quality is clearly lacking as well as the experience, and as good as our owners have been, in terms of what we have achieved so far with Jürgen at the helm, they have gotten off fairly lightly, just over £209m in a dozen years equates to around £20m a season, that’s f***in chicken feed in real terms, I’d be interested to learn how much they have saved in those 12 years of their budgetary, covid or no covid,  there is no doubt in my mind that they will need to dig deep if they expect Jürgen to carry on the fantastic  work he is doing, and when I say deep I mean north of £200m in the next two to three summer windows plus what we bring in ourselves by way of turnstiles, shirt sales etc.



                                                                                   Y  N  W  A


      Lallana in Pyjamas
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 4,690 posts | 1486 
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #919: Jan 03, 2022 09:45:06 pm
      There are some great points made from both sides of the argument, Brian’s point is fairy muff, we can’t blame the owners for chuckling away 2 goal leads, that’s down to the players and to a point Jürgen, at the moment it seems going two up we always chase a third, and by doing so can let opponents back in if they score, sometimes we need to learn to shut up shop and be content with and perhaps defend what we have,

      Its happened 4 times now so like Brian quite rightly said we’re not learning, it’s also a good point in that perhaps having more quality to opt from we would lessen the chances of giving leads away, there are two points here, one, having more quality would mean we could rotate more often and lessen the burden on our already overstretched players, and two, we have the ability to exchange like for like and perhaps even change formation, and retaining the ability to defend what we have,

      Ultimately though it’s still goes back to having enough on the bench to choose from in the first instance, rotation, change of formation, having two for each position, like for like exchanging, and all of that can only work if you have the players at your disposal, and that is down to lack of investment in the transfer market, plain and simple!!

      Introducing young lads is commendable and obviously very welcome but we have to draw the line in relying on them to fill voids in our ranks simply because of lack of investment, they may be very good prospects and have bright future’s but the quality is clearly lacking as well as the experience, and as good as our owners have been, in terms of what we have achieved so far with Jürgen at the helm, they have gotten off fairly lightly, just over £209m in a dozen years equates to around £20m a season, that’s f***in chicken feed in real terms, I’d be interested to learn how much they have saved in those 12 years of their budgetary, covid or no covid,  there is no doubt in my mind that they will need to dig deep if they expect Jürgen to carry on the fantastic  work he is doing, and when I say deep I mean north of £200m in the next two to three summer windows plus what we bring in ourselves by way of turnstiles, shirt sales etc.



                                                                                   Y  N  W  A

      In regards the spending/money question the club have spent around £1bn on players since FSG bought the club

      Since Klopp arrived it’s been £560mil on players

      And I’m not sure what you mean by what money they have saved ?

      The club are not going to spend £200mil above the income of the club


      For the club to spend more than it earns and to be at that level (£200mil ) would mean the club would need to

      1. Take out loans
      2. FSG use money from their other sports teams
      3. Club is sold


      We didn’t need to do any of those to buy

      Mane , Mo , Gini , Keita , Fabinho , Ox , Bobby, Jota , Thiago , VVD , Allison

      Yet we do now 🤷‍♂️
      srslfc
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 29,191 posts | 3577 
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #920: Jan 03, 2022 10:23:42 pm
      Not a lot of positives from yesterday but Kelleher definitely one.

      Midfield was a huge issue and our three lads got out fought and out run by Kovacic and Kante which is a worry.

      Milner is really starting to show his years, Henderson is in the poorest run of form I can remember and Fabinho was also way off the pace.
      UncleBob
      • Forum Legend - Benitez
      • *****

      • 1,484 posts | 249 
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #921: Jan 03, 2022 11:00:22 pm
      In regards the spending/money question the club have spent around £1bn on players since FSG bought the club

      Since Klopp arrived it’s been £560mil on players

      And I’m not sure what you mean by what money they have saved ?

      The club are not going to spend £200mil above the income of the club


      For the club to spend more than it earns and to be at that level (£200mil ) would mean the club would need to

      1. Take out loans
      2. FSG use money from their other sports teams
      3. Club is sold


      We didn’t need to do any of those to buy

      Mane , Mo , Gini , Keita , Fabinho , Ox , Bobby, Jota , Thiago , VVD , Allison

      Yet we do now 🤷‍♂️

      It’s an odd one really; because on the one hand you have these supporters who want the owners to spend £200m on new players so we can compete with the oil clubs, but on the other hand they didn’t want the club to join the super league (and riches that go with it) because it would rip away our soul and traditions and what not.

      The only way we can compete financially with the oil clubs is to either get new owners who are like the sheikhs, or have joined the super league.

      I just don’t understand why people think business owners would spend more money than the business is making in a climate where revenue could be switched off like a drop of a hat.

      GERNS
      • LFC Reds Subscriber
      • ******
      • 9,975 posts | 991 
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #922: Jan 03, 2022 11:21:07 pm
      Not a lot of positives from yesterday but Kelleher definitely one.

      Midfield was a huge issue and our three lads got out fought and out run by Kovacic and Kante which is a worry.

      Milner is really starting to show his years, Henderson is in the poorest run of form I can remember and Fabinho was also way off the pace.

      But it wasn’t Kovacic and Kante was it. With playing 3 at the back, their wing backs gave them plenty of support on the flanks. We were therefore outnumbered 4 to 3.
      Fab couldn’t offer the usual cover for our back four as he was being pulled all over the place trying to cover the spaces. I just don’t think Hendo and Millie were the best options.
      As good as Millie has been, 36 year old v 20-23 year olds. Never works that unless the older party has pace to burn.
      0-2 up and we still going end to end. Should have just shut up shop until half time at least.
      Probably would have had a better second half as well.
      Mane Red card ? Seen them given, but also seen the mount offence given red as well.
      Just gotta crack on, do our best, and see what aspires.
      I’ve certainly not given up.
      skolRED
      • Forum Legend - Fagan
      • *****

      • 2,810 posts | 205 
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #923: Jan 04, 2022 12:33:49 pm
      IMO, in ideal world, if Naby become the player everyone expect him to be and Thiago can play at number of game we hope for then things could be complete different.
      Or even if Harvey Elliott did not suffered that injury!!!
      That sounded crazy but we should not have to start with Milner vs Chelsea, or very inconsistent Ox for many games.

      If it's Pep and Mancity, the like of Naby now nowhere near their club. That's what different between their owner and our.
      ***thanks to anyone who want to shout f**k off and go support mancity haha ***

      Another thing is most difficult thing in the world to talk here as no one allow to touch Klopp's tactics.
      But here I'd say why on earth Klopp never adapt to something different that suit our player staffs when need. For exsamle, such a three at the back thing which we now have three top quality CBs. Whenever we have shortage in midfield or we need to hold the lead we are more than capable to close the job instead of hoping for Trent and Hendo to stop waves of attack through their side which everyone in the world know they are always weak to do so.   
      PolarBearRed
      • Forum Emlyn Hughes
      • ****

      • 802 posts | 357 
      Re: Chelsea 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #924: Jan 04, 2022 01:27:37 pm
      I had to let myself cool down a couple of days before making this post. Not because I was angry at any of the players or coaches but just because I feel like our season, despite not being catastrophic on paper, has so far exhausted me and has already had lots of highs and lows.

      I'm not going to analyze the whole game but the one thing that is a common theme since the beginning of the season: Over and over again we fail miserably at controlling games against big and smaller teams when in the lead or when the game is a draw and we need to manage the oncoming pressure for a stint of time. 

      What is the common theme between the Brentford, Brighton, City, Tottenham and Chelsea games (at Stamford Bridge)? You guessed it, those are five games where we take the lead (sometimes multiple leads) and we end up losing it. One thing that is also common to these games is that anybody watching them live was not surprised when the lead was finally lost because it had been coming for some minutes. Maths? Okay, lets do the maths on those 5 games. 5 games x 2 points lost each = 10 points. Does that ring any bell? That sounds awfully similar to the number of points separating us from City in the lead doesn't it? I said before that the tittle is won or lost against the 14 other teams outside of the traditional top six. However, even if you take the City, Chelsea, and Tottenham games out of the equation you realize that we lost 6 points against West Ham and Leicester because of the control we are failing to impose on games.

      With that said, which parts of the team or what can we identify as the causes/reasons leading to this? I think that having scored 52 goals in 20 games we can safely say that the front line is not the problem. If you add to this that out of those 5 games I mentioned above we scored 2 or more goals in every singe one of them and still got out with 1 point instead of 3 then we can surely say that the guys upfront did what they had to. A frontline is not supposed to go into games with the objective being to score 3 goals in order for you to bag all the points.

      My first and most obvious culprits in all of this are three players. Jordan Henderson, Virgil van Dijk and Alisson Becker. Sorry but not good enough. Am I talking about the actual kicking, passing and saving a ball part? No. I'm talking about leadership and the calming effect you're supposed to have on your teammates. For god's sake you're 3 world class players who are Premiership and CL winners. I expect of you that once we've got the lead you calm everybody around you and make sure that nobody puts a foot wrong. Minimize errors, pass the ball around, impose ourselves on the other team FFS we're Liverpool FC. Look at the number of unforced errors in the Brentford game. We literally could not keep the ball for more than 5 seconds before giving it back to Brentford over and over again. Sort it out lads, especially VVD and Alisson. Much less vocal this year, I want to see you shouting your lungs off and directing everybody. We're not supposed to crumble under pressure.

      My second culprit is Fabinho. This issue has flew under the radar (including mine) for a good part of the season. What is the issue? One game Fabinho is a 12/10. Then next he gives you a shocker of a game. Like I said many times, if Fabinho is having a bad day at the office then LFC is having a bad day at the office. I'm not sure if this is related to the lack of communication from his backline that I mentioned above but Fab will go from best CDM in the world in one game to headless chicken in the next one with lots of attack passing him by like nothing.

      My third culprit is the midfield overall. This is very evident whenever Thiago is injured or out of form for a game. Lack of control over the game by just making the small simple little passes that break the first line of press of the opposition. This leads to generalized panic because you effectively find yourself on the receiving end of what we do to teams which is press them and take the ball from them in various areas of the midfield. Gini and Thiago are/were the two players in that midfield who are very good at keeping the ball under pressure. The latter is excellent because not only he does not lose it he also pierces through one or two lines of press with simple but effective passes. Eliott was showing signs of this as well because of how calm he is on the ball and while not as good as passer as Thiago (yet) he has vision, skills and lots of balance on the ball which helps him keep and move some yards past a first line of press. What is the solution to this problem? We either need to make sure Thiago stays healthy and in form (not very much in our control here) or we need to change how we get out of our half with the ball, at least when we are in the lead. Obviously I'm not a professional manager so take what I'm gonna say with a huge grain of salt but this could be something as simple as keeping the wingers high as they are already but pulling the midfield a few yards back in order to facilitate passing triangles between them, the two full backs and our center-backs with an aim of pulling towards you the pressing lines of the opposition just enough to create a few extra yards of space behind those and then releasing long passes from VVD, Trent and Thiago to Jota, Salah, Mane, Origi. It's not optimal in terms of creating but we've got very skilled passers and the goal here is not necessarily to score but to keep a lead by compacting our midfield and defence a bit more and pulling them just a few yards back all while capitalizing on our fast forwards and the eagerness of the other team to attack us when they are behind on the scoreboard. Effectively, what I'm saying is give the opposition something to think about by feeding them some stick and not carrot after carrot because right now they press us like crazy over and over again with no counter measures from us, we just give the ball back over and over again. Depending on how it is implemented this could also see Thiago (or once he's back Keita) be at the top point of a midfield triangle with Hendo and Fabinho when we have the ball. He would effectively be tucked in between the first and second line of pressing of the opposition with his job being to receive the ball after the pull of the opposition's first line of press and quickly release the front three. Once again, I'm not saying this is supposed to be a creative solution. The nuance here is that its just a way of creatively beating the opposition out of their press instead of getting dispossessed over and over again until we concede. It is inherently creative from an attacking point of view because you employ Salah, Jota, Mane and Firmino who can make things happen whenever you give them space to run into and passes.

      I will not say that VVD and the backline (including Alisson), from a defensive point of view, are particularly at blame here. Why? Simply because you cant give the ball away in our own half as much as we did in those games all while playing a very high backline and expect them to always mop up the mess. Some might say oh but they did in past seasons. Yes they did, like what, 3 or 4 attacks per game not 8 to 10+ attacks. I'm sorry but Kane and Son running at Matip and Konate 5+ times in the space of one half is hardly good game management. Same for the Chelsea game where I watched that Chelsea frontline freely run at VVD and Konate all second half long.

      Quick Reply