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      Our offside trap
      Feb 14, 2022 07:29:53 pm
      Our offside trap, the high line. Interested to get views on it.

      Is it a thing of beauty and perfection made to look suspect by these stupid late flags going up.

      Or is it something that we will be caught out on, possibily when it matters most?

      Going back to its outset, I hated it thought it was crazy. But for me now its a tactic we have mastered, mastered to the degree that when we are caught out by an onside player Ali us usually there to sweep up.

      But would be interested to see others opinions
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      Re: Our offside trap
      Reply #1: Feb 14, 2022 07:35:24 pm
      Mmm . When it works its great but I suppose fine margins . If it works by inches you could say its a good line or the oppo will see it that the attacker has timed his run wrong and we are playing with fire. I think on a whole it has been successful can't remember to many times we have pushed out and then played on but I worry from free kicks at times
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      Re: Our offside trap
      Reply #2: Feb 14, 2022 07:42:26 pm
      Our offside trap, the high line. Interested to get views on it.

      Is it a thing of beauty and perfection made to look suspect by these stupid late flags going up.

      Or is it something that we will be caught out on, possibily when it matters most?

      Going back to its outset, I hated it thought it was crazy. But for me now its a tactic we have mastered, mastered to the degree that when we are caught out by an onside player Ali us usually there to sweep up.

      But would be interested to see others opinions

      I think it's outstanding. It's always struck me the amount of times an opposition side would get caught in many of our matches. I think it was Adama Traore in the match against Wolves earlier on in the season who was simply incapable of staying onside throughout the match. (of course, we won 1-0 victory thanks to Divock's late heroics!) It kind of made him look like an idiot at the end of it all.

      Of course, we get caught out from time to time (as ajy team would) but it's not a common occurrence. The amount of chances and goals we've denied by deploying it must be eye watering.

      An integral part of how we play.
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      Re: Our offside trap
      Reply #3: Feb 14, 2022 08:03:59 pm
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      Re: Our offside trap
      Reply #4: Feb 14, 2022 08:25:43 pm
      Our offside trap, the high line. Interested to get views on it.

      Is it a thing of beauty and perfection made to look suspect by these stupid late flags going up.

      Or is it something that we will be caught out on, possibily when it matters most?

      Going back to its outset, I hated it thought it was crazy. But for me now its a tactic we have mastered, mastered to the degree that when we are caught out by an onside player Ali us usually there to sweep up.

      But would be interested to see others opinions

      It’s very thin margins and you need to have some in the back line to help recover - also need to have a very confident GK who is happy to be high as well and then be good with his feet

      VVD is the key to it with both his Pace and organisational skills 
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      Re: Our offside trap
      Reply #5: Feb 14, 2022 08:30:31 pm
      If you don't play a high line, you can't press like we do. End of.

      The trade off of being caught out the odd time is worth it for the benefit the press brings.
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      Re: Our offside trap
      Reply #6: Feb 14, 2022 08:33:11 pm
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      Reply #7: Feb 14, 2022 08:37:28 pm

      VVD is the key to it with both his Pace and organisational skills 

      Spot on
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      Reply #8: Feb 14, 2022 08:40:23 pm

      THAT IS THE STAT!

      Phenomenal - I never knew we were so clear. I would have assumed City were right up there as well. I wonder why they don't deploy it more. It's not like Pep is too stupid to teach it to his players either!
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      Reply #9: Feb 14, 2022 09:25:28 pm
      THAT IS THE STAT!

      Phenomenal - I never knew we were so clear. I would have assumed City were right up there as well. I wonder why they don't deploy it more. It's not like Pep is too stupid to teach it to his players either!

      I don’t think Pep has the facilities mate…😂

      Joking aside I do t think he trust his back 4 as much as Klopp does..
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      Re: Our offside trap
      Reply #10: Feb 14, 2022 09:33:39 pm
      The figures for the offside trap look very impressive long may it continue, showing our back four have to be well organised, for the high line to be such a success.
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      Re: Our offside trap
      Reply #11: Feb 14, 2022 09:42:03 pm
      The figures for the offside trap look very impressive long may it continue, showing our back four have to be well organised, for the high line to be such a success.

      I think one of our players got asked recently was the offside plan off the cuff or worked on in training, player just laughed at the interviewer
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      Reply #12: Feb 14, 2022 10:26:53 pm

      Wow, I knew we were good at it, but that's a massive gap with the other teams.

      I guess the only downside is when our opponents do manage to beat our offside trap, they often end up 1v1 against Ali (that is unless VVD goes into 'turbo mode' to catch up  ;D). High risk, but also high reward.
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      Re: Our offside trap
      Reply #13: Feb 14, 2022 11:02:35 pm
      It’s a thing of beauty and we are so good it’s to the point where I just assume the opposition is never onside. 😂

      I do hate that the flags are going up later and later but at the end of the day, when VVD is healthy and Alli is in goal, we r can deploy it like no one else. And as others said, so key to our high press and ball control.
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      Reply #14: Feb 15, 2022 03:13:10 am
      Three points:
      1) Last season, bottom dwellers were steamrolling the back 4 with ease to start the season when the offsides trap wasn't catching anyone
      2) The team wouldn't need such an aggressive high line if their midfielders were capable of assisting goals instead of relying on backs TAA and Robbo
      3) It helps to have an elite Goalie to save the backline's ass 2-3 times a game when the "trap" fails. Allison certainly earns his wages
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      Re: Our offside trap
      Reply #15: Feb 15, 2022 08:06:33 am
      I honestly think it is a form of art. We will be caught for sure but on the long term, we will receive great benefit.

      If all defenders are on board, I believe it is brilliant.
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      Re: Our offside trap
      Reply #16: Feb 15, 2022 11:00:20 am
      Our offside trap, the high line. Interested to get views on it.

      Is it a thing of beauty and perfection made to look suspect by these stupid late flags going up.

      Or is it something that we will be caught out on, possibily when it matters most?

      Going back to its outset, I hated it thought it was crazy. But for me now its a tactic we have mastered, mastered to the degree that when we are caught out by an onside player Ali us usually there to sweep up.

      But would be interested to see others opinions

      Its brilliant.
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      Reply #17: Feb 15, 2022 03:14:43 pm
      If you don't play a high line, you can't press like we do. End of.

      The trade off of being caught out the odd time is worth it for the benefit the press brings.

      This is the way we play. It keeps our opposition chasing balls back in their own half. Their operating space is effectively halved and if they’re not good at one touch passing, they will fumble due to no time on the ball.

      But that also demands a disciplined back line. All the other side needs are runners like Mo and Mane and one long ball behind our back four gives these type of strikers luxury of space they love.

      Unable to find the perfect example but Son and Pulisic goals we conceded this season were somewhat like runners latching on the end of a good pass.
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      Re: Our offside trap
      Reply #18: Feb 15, 2022 03:15:52 pm
      Synchronisation, communication & timing is what it’s all about, and we are craftsmen at our own art, you do get the occasional brain fart and occasionally we get stung, However, the trade off is the high line we use immediately puts the opposition on the back foot by squeezing the space between their 18 yard box and the half way line,

      If we have the ball we can exploit their defences by attacking their defence with through balls or using Trent and Robbo to get in behind, add the tricks and flips of Bobby, the guile and artistry of Thiago, Harvey etc and the pace of Messers Salah, Mane, Jota, & Diaz we have a very very formidable team, and one I imagine will have defences up and down the land and across Europe muttering ‘ how the F**k are we gonna deal with that’?


      Without the ball it’s simple, we hunt in packs until we win the ball back, and for the most part start the cycle all over again, frustrates the sh*t out of me though when we F**k about at the back, I know that’s where it all begins but we have been caught out so many times by dawdling that sometimes it’s best just to hoof the f***in thing and re-group,

      But that stat where we are at 90 and the next best at 49 is Wow, mind blowing, just goes to show though that our back line is some at Carlsberg would say ‘Probably’ be interesting to see the stats of when our entire back line was decimated last season by injury and compare with when we are fully fit.



      Makes you beam with pride knowing something like that, to say your almost twice as good as the next fella !!





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      Re: Our offside trap
      Reply #19: Feb 15, 2022 04:55:28 pm
      Our offside trap, the high line. Interested to get views on it.

      Is it a thing of beauty and perfection made to look suspect by these stupid late flags going up.

      Or is it something that we will be caught out on, possibily when it matters most?

      Going back to its outset, I hated it thought it was crazy. But for me now its a tactic we have mastered, mastered to the degree that when we are caught out by an onside player Ali us usually there to sweep up.

      But would be interested to see others opinions

      For me it's a thing of beauty.

      I actually think we have went out if our way to work on it even more since the new regulations came in
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      Re: Our offside trap
      Reply #20: Feb 15, 2022 06:52:23 pm
      Not keen on it personally, some games we just get it completely wrong time and time again and there's never really a game where it doesn't get beaten a couple of times and need Alisson to bail us out and it has led to conceding some needless goals.

      Think it's like with any tactic, use it for the games it's most suited for or if we are having a game where the defence just can't get it right then just drop it back a yard.

      It looks good when it's working but the thing that annoys me is when we do keep persisiting with it even though we clearly need to just drop it back a yard in the same way that the front 3 switch around at times if one of them isn't having any joy against a certain defender.
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      Re: Our offside trap
      Reply #21: Feb 15, 2022 07:24:13 pm
      Sometimes it frustrates me but with VAR the only part that working I think we play it very well after all we lie in Fourth in goals coincided with only City, Wolves and Chelsea coinciding less goals, also think it compresses the game which gives us more possession
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      Re: Our offside trap
      Reply #22: Feb 15, 2022 08:07:49 pm
      I always laugh when, in match highlights, they show opposition "chances" that end with the flag going.up.

      By definition those are NOT chances.

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