Women's Euros 2022 Winners: England.

Really should have started this before today. First Q-Final is on now, England vs Spain.

I have watched a number of the games, and I must say the quality of play has improved a lot.

So here is the Draw for the Q-F

England vs Spain Now
Germany vs Austria 21st July
Sweden vs Belgium 22nd July
France vs Netherlands 23rd July

The attendances have been good too.

Anyway, here is the thread if you want it.

1-0 Spain, 1st goal England have conceded.

1-1 Good goal.

2-1 England in extra time. Screamer.

2-1 England in extra time. Screamer.

Great goal, but it's also one that highlights my main criticism of women's football: the goalkeeping standards are not good enough. Not that they're not talented, but the height deficit between men and women is painfully obvious.

Great goal, but it's also one that highlights my main criticism of women's football: the goalkeeping standards are not good enough. Not that they're not talented, but the height deficit between men and women is painfully obvious.

TBF, there has been some good saves in the group games.
But you can't compare EPL games to this level, saying that this is entertaining, and no one is rolling around as if they have been shot.

TBF, there has been some good saves in the group games.
But you can't compare EPL games to this level, saying that this is entertaining, and no one is rolling around as if they have been shot.

No idea what you're talking about... We NEVER see that in the men's games. 

But on a serious note, you're absolutely right. There is a much better sportsmanship in the women's games (dare I say sportswomanship?  ).

2-1 England, really enjoyed that game, SOOOOO much better than the mens game.

2-1 England, really enjoyed that game, SOOOOO much better than the mens game.

Actually enjoyed the 8-0 ,game against Norway, pass and move, pressing and really good build up play. A whole lot better than the turgid sh*te the male bottle jobs put on.

Spain actually looked a decent outfit. Agree with what you say about the keepers though.

Germany vs Austria on now, looks to be another good game, underdogs Austria so far looks to be on top.

1-0 Germany, nicely worked goal.

2-0 Germany... and that's why you don't play out from the back.

Disastrous for Austria. Both teams could have scored before this.

FT Germany 2-0 Austria

Just catching up with Sweden vs Belgium, still 0-0, but looking at the stats, Belgium should be covered in bread crumbs.

Sweden score in the last minute, 1-0, 32 attempts.

FT 1-0

Cruel for Belgium to concede at the last minute, but it's a 100% deserved win for Sweden.

To be fair, most of the girls in the Belgian squad are not even professional players, so reaching the quarter-finals was already historic for our country.

Last QF, France vs Netherlands, France seem to be the better side & just had 2 goal bound shots cleared off the line(ish).
Another good crowd.

France the much better team here, Netherlands just not in it at all.

VAR pen to France... 1-0 in 1st half of ET.

All over, 1-0 France, the holders Netherlands are beaten.

Really should have started this before today. First Q-Final is on now, England vs Spain.

I have watched a number of the games, and I must say the quality of play has improved a lot.

So here is the Draw for the Q-F

England vs Spain Now
Germany vs Austria 21st July
Sweden vs Belgium 22nd July
France vs Netherlands 23rd July

The attendances have been good too.

Anyway, here is the thread if you want it.

I know we're desperate for the old routine back, but women's football doesn't really cut it, to be fair.

Cricket scores are common at that level. England won a game 20-0 a few months ago. They've already won a game in this tournament 8-0, another 5-0, while Italy were 5-0 down at half time in another game. I notice that there are no nations from Eastern Europe at the tournament at all, which I think says a lot about the standard. Plus, the final clashes with the Charity Shield, and it's taken priority over it as well.

I know the media instruct us to treat womens cup matches as seriously as we do the mens, but it's a hard sell tbh.

Not interested. Sky sports news is shoving it down our throats no matter what though.

Eng vs Sweden on now, 1st semi final.

Little known fact, if you don't want to watch it, you don't have too.

You can only play what's infront of you.

1-0 England

HT. 1-0 Sweden started well, but then I'd say it's been fairly even.

That was a finely taken goal by England.

Not interested. Sky sports news is shoving it down our throats no matter what though.

Equality.

Giving it the same bullshit build up they give to the men's team.

Only watched the England games, genuinely more watchable than the men's team.

2-0 England

3-0... fantastic goal.

Crikey, a back heel goal!

Cheeky!

Nice finish though.

Four!

In the final and a tough game against either Germany or France, who have looked good.

FT England 4-0 Sweden

Very good result against who I think were the favourites yo win the competition.

Belter of a second half display by England that.

Nice to see a positive, forward-thinking England football side.

Nice to see a positive, forward-thinking England football side.

Yup, enjoyable game of football played in a spirit of attacking freedom. Couldn't quite believe it when Russo backheeled it in through the goalie's legs.

Just casually looking at the number of posts on this tread I get the sense that a lot of people who frequent this forum, like me, are of the opinion that the women's game is.......how can I put it....Not an easy watch.

I'm not trying in any way to denigrate those of you who enjoy it. Not that anyone would give a toss what I think, but I don't care for it.

Just casually looking at the number of posts on this tread I get the sense that a lot of people who frequent this forum, like me, are of the opinion that the women's game is.......how can I put it....Not an easy watch.

I'm not trying in any way to denigrate those of you who enjoy it. Not that anyone would give a toss what I think, but I don't care for it.

first game I have watched for 90 mins or so. Some really good stuff but some keystone Cops moments too. Seeing the Goalkeeper doing a Pickford and then hearing that awful F***ing song was cringeworthy. However I really enjoyed the atmosphere until the coming home crap.
Better than i thought it would be for quality but not something I would want to watch week in week out but then we have been spoiled I guess Everton supporters would see it as an improvement .

first game I have watched for 90 mins or so. Some really good stuff but some keystone Cops moments too. Seeing the Goalkeeper doing a Pickford and then hearing that awful f**king song was cringeworthy. However I really enjoyed the atmosphere until the coming home crap.
Better than i thought it would be for quality but not something I would want to watch week in week out but then we have been spoiled I guess Everton supporters would see it as an improvement .

Let's be honest, it's just dire...watching Everton

Just casually looking at the number of posts on this tread I get the sense that a lot of people who frequent this forum, like me, are of the opinion that the women's game is.......how can I put it....Not an easy watch.

What aspects of the women's game make it not easy to watch?

I watch Canadian women play from time to time, find the women technical skill on the ball pretty good but the pace of the game is slow because they just don't run as fast as the men.

Entertainment wise it is okay but I am with walton4 that I wouldn't watch it on a regular basis. The women game at the club level is gaining momentum based on crowds they have been getting which is good for them.

Let's be honest, it's just dire...watching Everton

And yet still a better watch than the sh*te that is the men's national team.

I think the problem is comparing it (whether consciously or subconsciously) with men's football. But it's all relative. Women's tennis isn't better or worse than men's tennis, it's different (sometimes I prefer to watch an exciting back and forth rally than 170mps aces - not that there aren't any exciting men's rallies). Likewise women's boxing, or rugby. If you put an 11stone male boxer in with an 11stone female boxer, I think the male wins 9 times out of 10 (but what do I know). But an 11stone female boxer against an 11stone female boxer can be a great boxing match. And I don't mean in the way that, two bad boxers can serve up an exciting spectacle by sheer lack of skill; I'm reminded of the recent boxing match between Ireland's Katie Taylor and Liverpool's very own Natasha Jona - what a fight that was!

I found the first half against Sweden was played at a break-neck speed, and the technical side of things was great. Never mind the cheeky back-heeled goal (worth the price of admission, alone), there was a moment when one of the England players played a forward pass from midfield with the outside of the foot having just won the ball in a duel. That was as good as anything I've seen in the men's game. Sure there were mistakes, but then, we've seen male footballers commit some real howlers. I even remember Big Virg making a mistake once! (but I might have dreamed that last part ).

What the women might lack in power and pace they make up for in technical skill (again, the tennis example). And as far as pace is concerned - if the 100m sprint world records tell us anything, they aren't that far behind: Usain Bolt 9.58s and Florence Griffith-Joyner 10.49s. Yes, almost a second is seen as quite a gap in 100m sprints, but my point is, they are no slouches.

Watching England v Sweden last night, there were exciting moments and on the whole, it was enjoyable (apart from when the scoreline hit 4-0 and the match was effectively over - but unless it's Liverpool 4-0, I think most games are pretty much over at that point). Will it ever rival my love for watching LFC, I seriously doubt that. But I could see myself picking a women's football team and following their matches. No problem. 

Anyway, that's how I feel about it.

I think the problem is comparing it (whether consciously or subconsciously) with men's football. But it's all relative. Women's tennis isn't better or worse than men's tennis, it's different (sometimes I prefer to watch an exciting back and forth rally than 170mps aces - not that there aren't any exciting men's rallies). Likewise women's boxing, or rugby. If you put an 11stone male boxer in with an 11stone female boxer, I think the male wins 9 times out of 10 (but what do I know). But an 11stone female boxer against an 11stone female boxer can be a great boxing match. And I don't mean in the way that, two bad boxers can serve up an exciting spectacle by sheer lack of skill; I'm reminded of the recent boxing match between Ireland's Katie Taylor and Liverpool's very own Natasha Jona - what a fight that was!

I found the first half against Sweden was played at a break-neck speed, and the technical side of things was great. Never mind the cheeky back-heeled goal (worth the price of admission, alone), there was a moment when one of the England players played a forward pass from midfield with the outside of the foot having just won the ball in a duel. That was as good as anything I've seen in the men's game. Sure there were mistakes, but then, we've seen male footballers commit some real howlers. I even remember Big Virg making a mistake once! (but I might have dreamed that last part ).

What the women might lack in power and pace they make up for in technical skill (again, the tennis example). And as far as pace is concerned - if the 100m sprint world records tell us anything, they aren't that far behind: Usain Bolt 9.58s and Florence Griffith-Joyner 10.49s. Yes, almost a second is seen as quite a gap in 100m sprints, but my point is, they are no slouches.

Watching England v Sweden last night, there were exciting moments and on the whole, it was enjoyable (apart from when the scoreline hit 4-0 and the match was effectively over - but unless it's Liverpool 4-0, I think most games are pretty much over at that point). Will it ever rival my love for watching LFC, I seriously doubt that. But I could see myself picking a women's football team and following their matches. No problem. 

Anyway, that's how I feel about it.

I wasn't consciously or unconsciously comparing it to the men's game, I thought I was commenting on it as a standalone sporting endeavour.
I'm genuinely glad you enjoyed it, and you make some interesting points with comparisons within the greater sporting world. However I don't share your analysis. Just picking on one (of many) aspect(s) to make my point, technical ball skill, which you identify as being great, to my eyes looks at best clumsy.
It would be a boring world if we all liked/disliked the same thing. Enjoy the final

I can see no reason why the female body cannot perform technically, just as well as the man's body. Both have the same number of appendages and all that. Aside from the power of course, and perhaps, speed (though it's not like all males clock 9:58s and all women clock 10:49s - so I expect there will be some female footballers faster than their male counterparts).

And the game can only improve over time. Coincidentally, yesterday I was thinking about why the women's USA international football team is the best in the world, and then I remembered how the US school kids have been playing "soccer" for a long time, now. I think the boys are picked up for NFL and all that.

Anyway, the second best goal I have ever seen:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=18XwLJlwVUo

Maradonna's against England in 86' is the best.

EDIT: By the way, I wasn't implying you, personally, were comparing games, but that some (me included) might have done.

I can see no reason why the female body cannot perform technically, just as well as the man's body. Both have the same number of appendages and all that. Aside from the power of course, and perhaps, speed (though it's not like all males clock 9:58s and all women clock 10:49s - so I expect there will be some female footballers faster than their male counterparts).

And the game can only improve over time. Coincidentally, yesterday I was thinking about why the women's USA international football team is the best in the world, and then I remembered how the US school kids have been playing "soccer" for a long time, now. I think the boys are picked up for NFL and all that.

Anyway, the second best goal I have ever seen:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=18XwLJlwVUo

Maradonna's against England in 86' is the best.

EDIT: By the way, I wasn't implying you, personally, were comparing games, but that some (me included) might have done.

All I was doing was to pass comment on it in isolation, not relating to, or making any general reference to men at all. The initial point was to do with how few people seem interested in it (forum comments etc.) in contrast to the exaggerated saturation we see in the press.
I suspect once this tournament is over and all the Lioness frenzy is put to bed, we won't be hearing too much about the Women's game, just like we won't hear so much about the women's Tour de France for example...I'm not saying it's right, or wrong, it just reflects the publics interest.

Secondly: I'm not sure you're right with the "...same number of appendages"...again I'm no expert
..and lastly: US Soccer... If the performance of the team corresponded to the length of time you began playing, then surely England's men would be by far the best in the world ( Eton wall game and all that)....all the time...which they are not.

I suspect once this tournament is over and all the Lioness frenzy is put to bed, we won't be hearing too much about the Women's game, just like we won't hear so much about the women's Tour de France for example...I'm not saying it's right, or wrong, it just reflects the publics interest.

Apart from the coverage of the WSL on sky and cup games on the BBC, which was getting shown last season and will obviously continue this season!!

Apart from the coverage of the WSL on sky and cup games on the BBC, which was getting shown last season and will obviously continue this season!!

Broadcasters pick it up because it's tuppence..More people watching Scottish house of the Year. Eng-er-land get close to winning at anything and the nation sheeplike dial in to the media overkill...I just think it's all a bit sh*te...but if others like it, well good for them...F**k sake some people like snakes.

Broadcasters pick it up because it's tuppence..More people watching Scottish house of the Year. Eng-er-land get close to winning at anything and the nation sheeplike dial in to the media overkill...I just think it's all a bit sh*te...but if others like it, well good for them...F**k sake some people like snakes.

Just pointing out the correction is all. F**k sake some people like simple tw*ts!!

Broadcasters pick it up because it's tuppence..More people watching Scottish house of the Year. Eng-er-land get close to winning at anything and the nation sheeplike dial in to the media overkill...I just think it's all a bit sh*te...but if others like it, well good for them...F**k sake some people like snakes.

I F***ing love Scotland's Home of the Year.

Though I'm pretty sure 9.5m people have not tuned into see how a trio of judges ranked out of 10 a converted croft in Shetland.

I f**king love Scotland's Home of the Year.

Though I'm pretty sure 9.5m people have not tuned into see how a trio of judges ranked out of 10 a converted croft in Shetland.

Millions tuned in to watch the latest Tory leadership debate, fair to say viewing figures don't equate to quality. Gutted by this years SHoTY...I gave that home.... a six

Second Semi about to start, Germany vs France, just a reminder, this thread is about the Women's Euros 2022, and nothing else.

If you want to discuss if Women's football in general, then start a thread, we never discuss gender comparisons with other sports or Men's football so why now?

If you don't like Women's football, or don't watch it, then this is not the thread to comment in.

Stalemate so far, both teams canceling each other out.

1-0 Germany.

Good goal.

1-1 OG, shot came back off the post, hit the keeper and went in. HT.

Second Semi about to start, Germany vs France, just a reminder, this thread is about the Women's Euros 2022, and nothing else.

If you want to discuss if Women's football in general, then start a thread, we never discuss gender comparisons with other sports or Men's football so why now?

If you don't like Women's football, or don't watch it, then this is not the thread to comment in.

I think it's accurate to say most threads on any given subject are liable to wander off course. I haven't discussed gender comparisons in any of my posts, some of the replies did... but I didn't.

I think it's accurate to say most threads on any given subject are liable to wander off course. I haven't discussed gender comparisons in any of my posts, some of the replies did... but I didn't.

I think it's accurate to say that I did not quote any member, so why anyone would plead innocence is beyond me, I also think it's accurate to say, that I strongly implied to keep the thread on topic, so why someone would then go off topic is again beyond me.

And with that, 2-1 Germany with 10 mins to go.

FT: Germany 2 France 1.

Fair-ish game, could have gone either way but Germany are to play England in Sundays final.

I think it's accurate to say that I did not quote any member, so why anyone would plead innocence is beyond me, I also think it's accurate to say, that I strongly implied to keep the thread on topic, so why someone would then go off topic is again beyond me.

And with that, 2-1 Germany with 10 mins to go.

It was a general reply that all threads wander.

If there was a thread " Who' is your favourite Liverpool left back?" and someone was to reply
"Sir Edwin Landseer's Lion sculptures at the base of Nelson's column were installed in 1867"...This is an example is what I would understand as being manifestly off topic.
I presume Germany got through to the final?

On topic please!

Final today, K.O. at 5pm BST.

England vs Germany

Hope the girls do well the crowds have been really good but the media hype is embarrassing as is the Case with England football teams sadly.
How can it be coming home when its never been here?
Full house at Wembley should be a good motivator

Hope the girls do well the crowds have been really good but the media hype is embarrassing as is the Case with England football teams sadly.
How can it be coming home when its never been here?
Full house at Wembley should be a good motivator

You just know there will be a WWII jingoistic headline if England win sadly, and yes I thought that about it coming home.

Looking forward to this. Got the family watching it. My middle brother's wife used to play alongside Ellen White for the England and Arsenal youth set ups and she was telling me about the difficulty of playing at that level whilst getting paid comparatively f*ck all and still having a life outside of it all. It may be somewhat different now with sponsorships but in her day some of the players in the men's senior team offered to pay the women a wage when they learned what they were getting paid by their clubs.

Oh god! Why do we need this Superbowl halftime show bollocks before every game?

Bit tasty this.

H-T 0-0

Scrappy and feisty.

Jeezus, real Sunday league stuff, mistake after mistake after mistake by both teams

H-T 0-0

Scrappy and feisty.

Maybe a red coming second half

Germany looks the better team. England lucky to avoid a red card.

Maybe a red coming second half

Yes, getting quite close to one. Lots of yellows.

1-0 England, nice, very nice up and under.

Good goal. Calm finish

1-1 with 10 mins to go.

Nicely worked goal.

Germany definitely have the upper hand/momentum here.

1-1 FT

Extra time...

Hard work for England at the end of 90 mins. Extra time, need to try to get more possession.

We may not like it, but when you hear the crowd support, it was a fair decision to move our game away from Wembley and prioritize this one.

H:T of E:T, still 1-1, still waiting for that red card.

👀

Women's football has it's knockers

1966....2022...

England win 2:1 European Championships

Well in England!

Chole Kelly being interviewed and then just starts singing Sweet Caroline mid interview with the crowd, brilliant.

Congratulations ladies.

Worth remembering what a mess Phil Neville made of England not that long ago. His appointment was a slap in the face to women's football and the FA can count themselves lucky that they had someone like Wiegman to take over.

Big well done to all those girls. Brilliant achievement. They totally deserved it.

Well done great achievement and great to see a happy full Wembley havent seen that since May.
Still struggling with the Coming home nonsense and the 56 years of hurt I dont think England had a womens team 56 years ago.
Any time the Germans are beaten is a good day .....sorry Jürgen.

Best thing about this? It's basically a massive 'screw you' to the men's national team and their delusion of grandeur combined with an inability to win anything.

Best thing about this? It's basically a massive 'screw you' to the men's national team and their delusion of grandeur combined with an inability to win anything.

Totally. And the same goes for the set of supporters in Wembley today who were glorious without resorting to the filth that that was displayed by last year's mob of neanderthals. A lot to be learned by watching the women's game for England.

Well done to England women and their class act of a coach. Germany I thought had the upper hand for a fair bit of it -- in the latter stages especially -- and played some good stuff but England hung in there and got a scrappy winner. The two first goals for each side were excellent in the build up and execution, and are further evidence of why the women's game can be enjoyable to watch.

I thought the crowd on the whole was decent, at least observing the national anthem of the opposite team with respect, which you cannot always say about the bunch of idiots who usually turn up to support the men's team. In some ways it's a bit of a throwback the women's game because so many of them are just ordinary people who work hard and do it as their passion without getting paid a lot and I find that aspect a refreshing change from what we're used to with the men.

I wish them well and if they want to expand the game steer clear of the traits of the Mens game and it will attract younger members and families. Womans football was quite big before the FA banned it so the FA have been corrupt and inept for more than 100 years.

The FA have been inept for years, very conservative and like an old men's club. But, to be fair to them, they appear to have make good progress in recent years to promote inclusion of women  and other groups who have felt excluded from football.

But the FA didn't exist in a vacuum for the last 100 years, they reflected the social attitudes of the time and still do. There has been a lot of sexism in football clubs, players and fans. There still is significant  problems but it's improving.

wonder how long it will be before the Press start turning on them as a team or individuals . Hope they perform better at Trafalgar Sq today better than the Cricket team did well Pieterson and Flintoff anyway.
Nice that we have given the Germans something else to moan about now with the ghost handball along with Geoff Hursts ghost goal

They won a big Trophy, but it says nothing of the quality of the team and there is no equivalent to the mens game. I watched the final and supported the team, but the quality was mostly poor with odd moments of brilliance. First goal was a quality chip. Second goal was completely farcical.

Summed up by the fact that Germany couldn't even get the ball away from the corner for at least 5 minutes because their skill and ball control is appalling. Glad to see the team win, but unbelievable that Germany didn't get a pen for that blatant handball on the line in the first half.

BBC gloated that there was a bigger attendance than in the final vs Italy... totally ignoring the fact that the capacity for that Final was capped due to COVID regulations. 

They won a big Trophy, but it says nothing of the quality of the team and there is no equivalent to the mens game. I watched the final and supported the team, but the quality was mostly poor with odd moments of brilliance. First goal was a quality chip. Second goal was completely farcical.

Summed up by the fact that Germany couldn't even get the ball away from the corner for at least 5 minutes because their skill and ball control is appalling. Glad to see the team win, but unbelievable that Germany didn't get a pen for that blatant handball on the line in the first half.

BBC gloated that there was a bigger attendance than in the final vs Italy... totally ignoring the fact that the capacity for that Final was capped due to COVID regulations. 

get with the programme mate "men" bad "women" good.