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      Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #391: Aug 06, 2022 03:11:00 pm
      First minute or so set the tone when Trent misplaces a pass then they break and Mitrovic gets a shot off. Things like that give a team massive encouragement and they never looked back. Got to give them credit they played very well and managed to sustain the press for the majority of the game, we rarely had an answer to it.
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      Reply #392: Aug 06, 2022 03:11:08 pm
      Only positives was impact of Nunez and Elliott off the bench and link up play between Salah/Nunez who combined for both goals and look dangerous.

      Though full backs were particularly poor with the ball, a lot of loose passes and poor touches resulting in losing the ball in possession.

      Though the penalty was weak you would hedge your bets on VvD dealing with 1v1 but he didn't.

      Very disappointing start to the season, we needed to come out hot from the start and to have that kind of performance and drop points so early just sucks.
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #393: Aug 06, 2022 03:18:37 pm
      Got to start playing with Elliot in midfield.

      Henderson should only be competing with Fab further back where we know he can do a job, he’s useless going forward..
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #394: Aug 06, 2022 03:25:38 pm
      I know it’s typical to go after the ref when a result doesn’t go your way but he was absolutely abysmal today. Every time they went over the ref had blew the whistle before they hit the floor. Mitrovic obviously the key culprit going over too easy but it was happening all over and the ref let it happen, culminating with that penalty decision. Nowhere near enough contact for me but one of those ones that VAR won’t overturn regardless if it went one way or the other. The problem was the main man jumping at the decision to point to the spot, barely any hesitation or time to formulate a decision he was dead sure of it. Poor poor performance from him.
      Best example of this is what just happened in the Spurs game, player goes to ground and ref allows play to go on and leaves it to VAR. That one was as much a penalty as Fulham’s which is to say it wasn’t at all. Far more detriment to the conceding team if there is an error than the other way around. Honestly think when there is any ambiguity at all most refs will let it go to VAR, this guy was just too hasty to give it.
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #395: Aug 06, 2022 03:28:53 pm
      I’m not judging any of the players yet - I’m sure it’ll come.

      Newly promoted team, playing at home with their fans is always going to be tough (as arsenal found out last season)

      It’s just annoying because we could easily have won if we took performance levels up just 5%.

      Additionally - losing Thiago already is a f**king joke. We’ll be lucky to get 15 prem games out of him.
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #396: Aug 06, 2022 03:31:55 pm
      City lost the first game of last season. That said, I know what you're saying, because our performance today was shocking.

      Plus City lost on the road to Tottenham, not to a team that played Championship last year. It just is a bad sign if you start a campaign like that. But I am more often wrong than right with my predictions, so maybe that is a positive.  8)
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #397: Aug 06, 2022 03:39:20 pm
      Klopp on BT Basically saying we were absolutely sh*te

      There is nothing else that can be said. A truly awful match with zero effort from most. TAA was a mess and needs a shake up. Robertson poor also.
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #398: Aug 06, 2022 03:44:06 pm
      It's the first game of the season for fucks sake. The way some are carrying on, you might as well hand over the League right now to anyone but us. In a 38 game season, no single game wins or costs you the League title. It's a culmination of all 38. And who knows, we may win the League by a point this time round and we'll all be looking back on what a valuable point this turned out to be because we were f**king dog sh*t today. But at the end of the end, it's still only one game.

      As for the performance, it was shocking from start to finish and front to back. But we've still come away with a point. We've got our new centre forward up and running, we've got the most lethal forward in the League scoring goals again, we came from behind twice to show our strength of character and with any luck, we can't play any f**king worse this season than we did today.

      Alisson - didn't have much to do in fairness, despite Fulham clearly being the better team but what he did have to do, he failed at today. First goal was a poor attempt from him. Wasn't the cleanest of headers from Mitrovic and Ali just seemed to collapse. It looked like a batsmen in cricket being deceived by a slower ball. He had his wrist there then because it wasn't that clean a header, he'd fallen backwards before the ball got to him. Went the right way for the penalty but didn't reach it - don't really blame keepers for not saving pens though.

      Alexander-Arnold - abysmal performance after a man of the match outing in the Charity Shield. His defensive frailties are well documented and were shown up again for the first goal. And bar the odd decent cross field ball, his attacking play didn't make up for a poor defensive performance this time round.

      Matip - maybe I was watching a different game to most, but I thought Joel did alright today. He was the one trying to break into the midfield and beyond, the way he normally does. And felt he was covering for Trent quite well. It was his partner who was shameful today.

      Van Dijk - shocking performance. It was a penalty, albeit a soft one. He should have went to the ball a lot earlier than he did rather than letting him carry it into the box. But that's a regular complaint of mine with the way we defend, we always back off rather than sticking the boot in early. It looked like the sort of performance we used to get when the likes of Benteke/Carlton Cole would bully our centre halves.

      Robertson - probably getting away with criticism because of the more obvious poor performances from the other defenders but Robbo had a couple of chances to really create clear cut opportunities and wasted them. Needs to improve his decision making in those circumstances.

      Henderson - lots of huff and puff but not much else from the skipper until the final moments of the match when he hit that shot onto the bar. Like all the midfield, he struggled with Fulham doing to us what we normally do to the opposition.

      Fabinho - largely invisible today. Was nowhere for the first goal and showed no desire to get back, bit like Thiago.

      Thiago - basically like for like with Fabinho. Invisible for most of the time he was on the pitch, sloppier than usual in possession and now he's injured again. He didn't go the ball or follow the overlapping run for the first ball, leaving Robbo two on one.

      Salah - an assist and a goal and yet it feels like he did nothing during the game. Played better when Elliott came on but overall it wasn't the scintillating performance we expect from Mo. But it's two in two for him, so can't complain about he's performing in front of goal and he won me 20 quid on a bet so there's that as well.

      Firmino - well documented I've never been his biggest fan, so this sort of performance doesn't surprise me too much. Didn't do anything, like the Charity Shield, and unsurprisingly we got better when he went off. He fell behind Jota in the pecking order who in turn fell behind Diaz and now with Nunez scoring and looking a threat, poor Bobby will hopefully take the role of Divock now and sit out much of the season.

      Diaz - offered little today but what a finish, even if Robbo was initially offside. Took a couple of hefty challenges as well, which I think shows the opposition know now that he's a danger if he gets up and running at them. Unfortunately though, a lot of his running with the ball today was back towards our goal rather than the Fulham one.

      Elliott - get a lot of Shaqiri vibes about Harvey. All left foot, small, tries to be clever when doesn't need to. Couple of nice interchanges with Salah but overall I don't think he stood out either.

      Nunez - not a fan of fancy dan finishes, especially when we're getting beat but you could see how much better we looked with him in the team. Won a couple of headers as well, giving us a different dimension. Two goals and two assists in two games as well as two game changing performances, can't really ask for more from a centre forward.

      Milner - added a bit of stability to the middle and drove us forward. You don't really wanna be relying on a 70 year old all season though but if he continues to be our best central midfielder then he's gonna continue to play.

      Carvalho - didn't have a lot of time to impress but he hit a nice volley from a corner, just couldn't keep it down. Put himself about a bit as well, which is always appreciated.

      Overall - poor performance but we've come away with a hard earned point. We've come from behind twice and we've got Nunez and Salah firing in front of goal. Couple of Monday night games to follow so plenty of time for the coaching staff to get the boys up to speed. Not the start to the season we wanted (obviously) but it is only the start, a lot more footy to be played before we're crowned champions in May next year.
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #399: Aug 06, 2022 03:48:27 pm
      It's the first game of the season for fucks sake. The way some are carrying on, you might as well hand over the League right now to anyone but us. In a 38 game season, no single game wins or costs you the League title. It's a culmination of all 38. And who knows, we may win the League by a point this time round and we'll all be looking back on what a valuable point this turned out to be because we were f**king dog sh*t today. But at the end of the end, it's still only one game.

      As for the performance, it was shocking from start to finish and front to back. But we've still come away with a point. We've got our new centre forward up and running, we've got the most lethal forward in the League scoring goals again, we came from behind twice to show our strength of character and with any luck, we can't play any f**king worse this season than we did today.

      Alisson - didn't have much to do in fairness, despite Fulham clearly being the better team but what he did have to do, he failed at today. First goal was a poor attempt from him. Wasn't the cleanest of headers from Mitrovic and Ali just seemed to collapse. It looked like a batsmen in cricket being deceived by a slower ball. He had his wrist there then because it wasn't that clean a header, he'd fallen backwards before the ball got to him. Went the right way for the penalty but didn't reach it - don't really blame keepers for not saving pens though.

      Alexander-Arnold - abysmal performance after a man of the match outing in the Charity Shield. His defensive frailties are well documented and were shown up again for the first goal. And bar the odd decent cross field ball, his attacking play didn't make up for a poor defensive performance this time round.

      Matip - maybe I was watching a different game to most, but I thought Joel did alright today. He was the one trying to break into the midfield and beyond, the way he normally does. And felt he was covering for Trent quite well. It was his partner who was shameful today.

      Van Dijk - shocking performance. It was a penalty, albeit a soft one. He should have went to the ball a lot earlier than he did rather than letting him carry it into the box. But that's a regular complaint of mine with the way we defend, we always back off rather than sticking the boot in early. It looked like the sort of performance we used to get when the likes of Benteke/Carlton Cole would bully our centre halves.

      Robertson - probably getting away with criticism because of the more obvious poor performances from the other defenders but Robbo had a couple of chances to really create clear cut opportunities and wasted them. Needs to improve his decision making in those circumstances.

      Henderson - lots of huff and puff but not much else from the skipper until the final moments of the match when he hit that shot onto the bar. Like all the midfield, he struggled with Fulham doing to us what we normally do to the opposition.

      Fabinho - largely invisible today. Was nowhere for the first goal and showed no desire to get back, bit like Thiago.

      Thiago - basically like for like with Fabinho. Invisible for most of the time he was on the pitch, sloppier than usual in possession and now he's injured again. He didn't go the ball or follow the overlapping run for the first ball, leaving Robbo two on one.

      Salah - an assist and a goal and yet it feels like he did nothing during the game. Played better when Elliott came on but overall it wasn't the scintillating performance we expect from Mo. But it's two in two for him, so can't complain about he's performing in front of goal and he won me 20 quid on a bet so there's that as well.

      Firmino - well documented I've never been his biggest fan, so this sort of performance doesn't surprise me too much. Didn't do anything, like the Charity Shield, and unsurprisingly we got better when he went off. He fell behind Jota in the pecking order who in turn fell behind Diaz and now with Nunez scoring and looking a threat, poor Bobby will hopefully take the role of Divock now and sit out much of the season.

      Diaz - offered little today but what a finish, even if Robbo was initially offside. Took a couple of hefty challenges as well, which I think shows the opposition know now that he's a danger if he gets up and running at them. Unfortunately though, a lot of his running with the ball today was back towards our goal rather than the Fulham one.

      Elliott - get a lot of Shaqiri vibes about Harvey. All left foot, small, tries to be clever when doesn't need to. Couple of nice interchanges with Salah but overall I don't think he stood out either.

      Nunez - not a fan of fancy dan finishes, especially when we're getting beat but you could see how much better we looked with him in the team. Won a couple of headers as well, giving us a different dimension. Two goals and two assists in two games as well as two game changing performances, can't really ask for more from a centre forward.

      Milner - added a bit of stability to the middle and drove us forward. You don't really wanna be relying on a 70 year old all season though but if he continues to be our best central midfielder then he's gonna continue to play.

      Carvalho - didn't have a lot of time to impress but he hit a nice volley from a corner, just couldn't keep it down. Put himself about a bit as well, which is always appreciated.

      Overall - poor performance but we've come away with a hard earned point. We've come from behind twice and we've got Nunez and Salah firing in front of goal. Couple of Monday night games to follow so plenty of time for the coaching staff to get the boys up to speed. Not the start to the season we wanted (obviously) but it is only the start, a lot more footy to be played before we're crowned champions in May next year.

      Agreed about Matip. He was at fault for the penalty but that was an isolated moment in an otherwise solid display. A real shame because he was the one who didn't deserve to make the mistale he did.
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #400: Aug 06, 2022 03:53:24 pm
      It's the first game of the season for fucks sake. The way some are carrying on, you might as well hand over the League right now to anyone but us. In a 38 game season, no single game wins or costs you the League title. It's a culmination of all 38. And who knows, we may win the League by a point this time round and we'll all be looking back on what a valuable point this turned out to be because we were f**king dog sh*t today. But at the end of the end, it's still only one game.

      As for the performance, it was shocking from start to finish and front to back. But we've still come away with a point. We've got our new centre forward up and running, we've got the most lethal forward in the League scoring goals again, we came from behind twice to show our strength of character and with any luck, we can't play any f**king worse this season than we did today.

      Alisson - didn't have much to do in fairness, despite Fulham clearly being the better team but what he did have to do, he failed at today. First goal was a poor attempt from him. Wasn't the cleanest of headers from Mitrovic and Ali just seemed to collapse. It looked like a batsmen in cricket being deceived by a slower ball. He had his wrist there then because it wasn't that clean a header, he'd fallen backwards before the ball got to him. Went the right way for the penalty but didn't reach it - don't really blame keepers for not saving pens though.

      Alexander-Arnold - abysmal performance after a man of the match outing in the Charity Shield. His defensive frailties are well documented and were shown up again for the first goal. And bar the odd decent cross field ball, his attacking play didn't make up for a poor defensive performance this time round.

      Matip - maybe I was watching a different game to most, but I thought Joel did alright today. He was the one trying to break into the midfield and beyond, the way he normally does. And felt he was covering for Trent quite well. It was his partner who was shameful today.

      Van Dijk - shocking performance. It was a penalty, albeit a soft one. He should have went to the ball a lot earlier than he did rather than letting him carry it into the box. But that's a regular complaint of mine with the way we defend, we always back off rather than sticking the boot in early. It looked like the sort of performance we used to get when the likes of Benteke/Carlton Cole would bully our centre halves.

      Robertson - probably getting away with criticism because of the more obvious poor performances from the other defenders but Robbo had a couple of chances to really create clear cut opportunities and wasted them. Needs to improve his decision making in those circumstances.

      Henderson - lots of huff and puff but not much else from the skipper until the final moments of the match when he hit that shot onto the bar. Like all the midfield, he struggled with Fulham doing to us what we normally do to the opposition.

      Fabinho - largely invisible today. Was nowhere for the first goal and showed no desire to get back, bit like Thiago.

      Thiago - basically like for like with Fabinho. Invisible for most of the time he was on the pitch, sloppier than usual in possession and now he's injured again. He didn't go the ball or follow the overlapping run for the first ball, leaving Robbo two on one.

      Salah - an assist and a goal and yet it feels like he did nothing during the game. Played better when Elliott came on but overall it wasn't the scintillating performance we expect from Mo. But it's two in two for him, so can't complain about he's performing in front of goal and he won me 20 quid on a bet so there's that as well.

      Firmino - well documented I've never been his biggest fan, so this sort of performance doesn't surprise me too much. Didn't do anything, like the Charity Shield, and unsurprisingly we got better when he went off. He fell behind Jota in the pecking order who in turn fell behind Diaz and now with Nunez scoring and looking a threat, poor Bobby will hopefully take the role of Divock now and sit out much of the season.

      Diaz - offered little today but what a finish, even if Robbo was initially offside. Took a couple of hefty challenges as well, which I think shows the opposition know now that he's a danger if he gets up and running at them. Unfortunately though, a lot of his running with the ball today was back towards our goal rather than the Fulham one.

      Elliott - get a lot of Shaqiri vibes about Harvey. All left foot, small, tries to be clever when doesn't need to. Couple of nice interchanges with Salah but overall I don't think he stood out either.

      Nunez - not a fan of fancy dan finishes, especially when we're getting beat but you could see how much better we looked with him in the team. Won a couple of headers as well, giving us a different dimension. Two goals and two assists in two games as well as two game changing performances, can't really ask for more from a centre forward.

      Milner - added a bit of stability to the middle and drove us forward. You don't really wanna be relying on a 70 year old all season though but if he continues to be our best central midfielder then he's gonna continue to play.

      Carvalho - didn't have a lot of time to impress but he hit a nice volley from a corner, just couldn't keep it down. Put himself about a bit as well, which is always appreciated.

      Overall - poor performance but we've come away with a hard earned point. We've come from behind twice and we've got Nunez and Salah firing in front of goal. Couple of Monday night games to follow so plenty of time for the coaching staff to get the boys up to speed. Not the start to the season we wanted (obviously) but it is only the start, a lot more footy to be played before we're crowned champions in May next year.
      Great post, agree with it, my only deal with Matip was his passing today, I know he can do better. Definitely one of those Errand passes lead to the penalty. But defending today I thought he did well
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #401: Aug 06, 2022 03:56:50 pm
      A risk relying on a injury prone ageing midfielder as your main creative fulcrum. Plus you have the likes of Naby and Curtis who are always injured.

      Should really have invested in a quality player this season.
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #402: Aug 06, 2022 03:58:02 pm
      Point was all we deserved but not too happy about the circumstances about either of their goals.

      Var turning blind eyes to both.
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #403: Aug 06, 2022 04:06:13 pm
      Klopp on BT Basically saying we were absolutely sh*te

      He's not wrong...Like the rest of us he didn't see that coming. The players can sit and reflect as they watch City, Spurs, and Chelsea secure max points.
      It's not the end of the World, just leaves you feeling empty...........Onwards
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #404: Aug 06, 2022 04:10:31 pm
      It's the first game of the season for fucks sake. The way some are carrying on, you might as well hand over the League right now to anyone but us. In a 38 game season, no single game wins or costs you the League title. It's a culmination of all 38. And who knows, we may win the League by a point this time round and we'll all be looking back on what a valuable point this turned out to be because we were f**king dog sh*t today. But at the end of the end, it's still only one game.

      As for the performance, it was shocking from start to finish and front to back. But we've still come away with a point. We've got our new centre forward up and running, we've got the most lethal forward in the League scoring goals again, we came from behind twice to show our strength of character and with any luck, we can't play any f**king worse this season than we did today.

      Alisson - didn't have much to do in fairness, despite Fulham clearly being the better team but what he did have to do, he failed at today. First goal was a poor attempt from him. Wasn't the cleanest of headers from Mitrovic and Ali just seemed to collapse. It looked like a batsmen in cricket being deceived by a slower ball. He had his wrist there then because it wasn't that clean a header, he'd fallen backwards before the ball got to him. Went the right way for the penalty but didn't reach it - don't really blame keepers for not saving pens though.

      Alexander-Arnold - abysmal performance after a man of the match outing in the Charity Shield. His defensive frailties are well documented and were shown up again for the first goal. And bar the odd decent cross field ball, his attacking play didn't make up for a poor defensive performance this time round.

      Matip - maybe I was watching a different game to most, but I thought Joel did alright today. He was the one trying to break into the midfield and beyond, the way he normally does. And felt he was covering for Trent quite well. It was his partner who was shameful today.

      Van Dijk - shocking performance. It was a penalty, albeit a soft one. He should have went to the ball a lot earlier than he did rather than letting him carry it into the box. But that's a regular complaint of mine with the way we defend, we always back off rather than sticking the boot in early. It looked like the sort of performance we used to get when the likes of Benteke/Carlton Cole would bully our centre halves.

      Robertson - probably getting away with criticism because of the more obvious poor performances from the other defenders but Robbo had a couple of chances to really create clear cut opportunities and wasted them. Needs to improve his decision making in those circumstances.

      Henderson - lots of huff and puff but not much else from the skipper until the final moments of the match when he hit that shot onto the bar. Like all the midfield, he struggled with Fulham doing to us what we normally do to the opposition.

      Fabinho - largely invisible today. Was nowhere for the first goal and showed no desire to get back, bit like Thiago.

      Thiago - basically like for like with Fabinho. Invisible for most of the time he was on the pitch, sloppier than usual in possession and now he's injured again. He didn't go the ball or follow the overlapping run for the first ball, leaving Robbo two on one.

      Salah - an assist and a goal and yet it feels like he did nothing during the game. Played better when Elliott came on but overall it wasn't the scintillating performance we expect from Mo. But it's two in two for him, so can't complain about he's performing in front of goal and he won me 20 quid on a bet so there's that as well.

      Firmino - well documented I've never been his biggest fan, so this sort of performance doesn't surprise me too much. Didn't do anything, like the Charity Shield, and unsurprisingly we got better when he went off. He fell behind Jota in the pecking order who in turn fell behind Diaz and now with Nunez scoring and looking a threat, poor Bobby will hopefully take the role of Divock now and sit out much of the season.

      Diaz - offered little today but what a finish, even if Robbo was initially offside. Took a couple of hefty challenges as well, which I think shows the opposition know now that he's a danger if he gets up and running at them. Unfortunately though, a lot of his running with the ball today was back towards our goal rather than the Fulham one.

      Elliott - get a lot of Shaqiri vibes about Harvey. All left foot, small, tries to be clever when doesn't need to. Couple of nice interchanges with Salah but overall I don't think he stood out either.

      Nunez - not a fan of fancy dan finishes, especially when we're getting beat but you could see how much better we looked with him in the team. Won a couple of headers as well, giving us a different dimension. Two goals and two assists in two games as well as two game changing performances, can't really ask for more from a centre forward.

      Milner - added a bit of stability to the middle and drove us forward. You don't really wanna be relying on a 70 year old all season though but if he continues to be our best central midfielder then he's gonna continue to play.

      Carvalho - didn't have a lot of time to impress but he hit a nice volley from a corner, just couldn't keep it down. Put himself about a bit as well, which is always appreciated.

      Overall - poor performance but we've come away with a hard earned point. We've come from behind twice and we've got Nunez and Salah firing in front of goal. Couple of Monday night games to follow so plenty of time for the coaching staff to get the boys up to speed. Not the start to the season we wanted (obviously) but it is only the start, a lot more footy to be played before we're crowned champions in May next year.

      Agree with everything bar the penalty decision, but we can view that differently.  What I will say is that if you believe it was enough contact to justify a pen, then there was enough contact on Hendo to justify a foul being called which would have ruled out there first goal.  It's one or the other, but not both.  Regardless of how poor we played, looking at it solely through the lens of the chances each team took and the refereeing decisions, it's hard not to feel cheated out of 2 points today....
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #405: Aug 06, 2022 04:14:17 pm
      So league already gone then?

      Guess it saves me having to watch the remaining 37 games.


      Maybe I’ll take all that time and learn a new language.
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #406: Aug 06, 2022 04:14:32 pm
      heard Jürgen's assessment he seems a bit confused by the performance  but a point was all we deserved in the end. This form stuff is very fickle so not too concerned at all by todays result or performance .
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #407: Aug 06, 2022 04:15:33 pm
      It's the first game of the season for fucks sake. The way some are carrying on, you might as well hand over the League right now to anyone but us. In a 38 game season, no single game wins or costs you the League title. It's a culmination of all 38. And who knows, we may win the League by a point this time round and we'll all be looking back on what a valuable point this turned out to be because we were f**king dog sh*t today. But at the end of the end, it's still only one game.

      As for the performance, it was shocking from start to finish and front to back. But we've still come away with a point. We've got our new centre forward up and running, we've got the most lethal forward in the League scoring goals again, we came from behind twice to show our strength of character and with any luck, we can't play any f**king worse this season than we did today.

      Alisson - didn't have much to do in fairness, despite Fulham clearly being the better team but what he did have to do, he failed at today. First goal was a poor attempt from him. Wasn't the cleanest of headers from Mitrovic and Ali just seemed to collapse. It looked like a batsmen in cricket being deceived by a slower ball. He had his wrist there then because it wasn't that clean a header, he'd fallen backwards before the ball got to him. Went the right way for the penalty but didn't reach it - don't really blame keepers for not saving pens though.

      Alexander-Arnold - abysmal performance after a man of the match outing in the Charity Shield. His defensive frailties are well documented and were shown up again for the first goal. And bar the odd decent cross field ball, his attacking play didn't make up for a poor defensive performance this time round.

      Matip - maybe I was watching a different game to most, but I thought Joel did alright today. He was the one trying to break into the midfield and beyond, the way he normally does. And felt he was covering for Trent quite well. It was his partner who was shameful today.

      Van Dijk - shocking performance. It was a penalty, albeit a soft one. He should have went to the ball a lot earlier than he did rather than letting him carry it into the box. But that's a regular complaint of mine with the way we defend, we always back off rather than sticking the boot in early. It looked like the sort of performance we used to get when the likes of Benteke/Carlton Cole would bully our centre halves.

      Robertson - probably getting away with criticism because of the more obvious poor performances from the other defenders but Robbo had a couple of chances to really create clear cut opportunities and wasted them. Needs to improve his decision making in those circumstances.

      Henderson - lots of huff and puff but not much else from the skipper until the final moments of the match when he hit that shot onto the bar. Like all the midfield, he struggled with Fulham doing to us what we normally do to the opposition.

      Fabinho - largely invisible today. Was nowhere for the first goal and showed no desire to get back, bit like Thiago.

      Thiago - basically like for like with Fabinho. Invisible for most of the time he was on the pitch, sloppier than usual in possession and now he's injured again. He didn't go the ball or follow the overlapping run for the first ball, leaving Robbo two on one.

      Salah - an assist and a goal and yet it feels like he did nothing during the game. Played better when Elliott came on but overall it wasn't the scintillating performance we expect from Mo. But it's two in two for him, so can't complain about he's performing in front of goal and he won me 20 quid on a bet so there's that as well.

      Firmino - well documented I've never been his biggest fan, so this sort of performance doesn't surprise me too much. Didn't do anything, like the Charity Shield, and unsurprisingly we got better when he went off. He fell behind Jota in the pecking order who in turn fell behind Diaz and now with Nunez scoring and looking a threat, poor Bobby will hopefully take the role of Divock now and sit out much of the season.

      Diaz - offered little today but what a finish, even if Robbo was initially offside. Took a couple of hefty challenges as well, which I think shows the opposition know now that he's a danger if he gets up and running at them. Unfortunately though, a lot of his running with the ball today was back towards our goal rather than the Fulham one.

      Elliott - get a lot of Shaqiri vibes about Harvey. All left foot, small, tries to be clever when doesn't need to. Couple of nice interchanges with Salah but overall I don't think he stood out either.

      Nunez - not a fan of fancy dan finishes, especially when we're getting beat but you could see how much better we looked with him in the team. Won a couple of headers as well, giving us a different dimension. Two goals and two assists in two games as well as two game changing performances, can't really ask for more from a centre forward.

      Milner - added a bit of stability to the middle and drove us forward. You don't really wanna be relying on a 70 year old all season though but if he continues to be our best central midfielder then he's gonna continue to play.

      Carvalho - didn't have a lot of time to impress but he hit a nice volley from a corner, just couldn't keep it down. Put himself about a bit as well, which is always appreciated.

      Overall - poor performance but we've come away with a hard earned point. We've come from behind twice and we've got Nunez and Salah firing in front of goal. Couple of Monday night games to follow so plenty of time for the coaching staff to get the boys up to speed. Not the start to the season we wanted (obviously) but it is only the start, a lot more footy to be played before we're crowned champions in May next year.
      Spot on with your analysis especially the last line, though I'm not sure it's in May.
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #408: Aug 06, 2022 04:31:19 pm
      Lots of sweeping statements in this thread.

      Henderson has had it and should be dropped or sold.

      Bobby should never start another game.

      And my favourite, we will be lucky to get top four.
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #409: Aug 06, 2022 04:31:45 pm
      It's a disappointing start, we're not happy, Klopp wasn't happy. It just seems worse now draws feel like defeats with the bar set so high to challenge City.
      I'm not happy but after a bit of time has gone I'm still frustrated but I'd be depressed if we'd have lost. You can argue if VVD faintly brushed a knee or not but Mitrovic is still a diving b***ard and still a Championship yard dog. Nunes will be flying soon.
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #410: Aug 06, 2022 04:41:45 pm
      Lots of sweeping statements in this thread.

      Henderson has had it and should be dropped or sold.

      Bobby should never start another game.

      And my favourite, we will be lucky to get top four.

      Both Henderson and Bobby will play a role but should be far less than in previous seasons
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #411: Aug 06, 2022 04:42:09 pm
      Klopp got it wrong today. Booby was awful as was Fab we handnt a shot on target till Nunez come on. Toothless till then. Midfield was shocking
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #412: Aug 06, 2022 04:43:02 pm
      We desperatly need a creative midfielder
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      Re: Fulham 2-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #413: Aug 06, 2022 04:43:57 pm
      Trent was shocking today also

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