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      Conor Bradley - Player Thread (D)

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      Reply #184: Apr 08, 2024 12:27:08 pm
      All Trent wants to do is show everyone how good he can ping/cross a ball, it's literally all he does. He's very lucky he was born with that natural talent, he's in the top few percent for players who can pass as well as he can because believe me if he couldn't, he'd be a very average player and that's a fact.

      It’s not a “fact” - it’s a nonsense opinion 🙄
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      Reply #185: Apr 08, 2024 01:10:03 pm
      Bradley’s style of play is different to TAA - he wants to use his pace to go on the outside and a lot throwing crosses in - Salah wants to be wide and then cut in taking defenders with him should leave the space open for Bradley - but with TAA he sits in that space as opposed to overlapping and pings balls in from there - it takes time for partnerships to grow.

      Whilst Bradley has done well - yesterday was an example of where TAA is that step above by making far better use of the ball

      It’s another reason why TAA will be straight back in the team

      Yeah I think Bradley is a decent player who should be 2nd choice to TAA.

      TAA is in another league and we missed his creativity yesterday against Man Utd.

      TAA also defends better than Bradley.
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      Reply #186: Apr 08, 2024 01:21:52 pm

      TAA also defends better than Bradley.

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      Reply #187: Apr 08, 2024 01:23:44 pm
      Yeah I think Bradley is a decent player who should be 2nd choice to TAA.

      TAA is in another league and we missed his creativity yesterday against Man Utd.

      TAA also defends better than Bradley.


      Bradley’s recovery pace is better than TAA so he does get back into position quicker but they are similar when it comes to challenges etc
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      Reply #188: Apr 08, 2024 01:57:15 pm


      OK, explain how is bradley is a better defender?

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      Reply #189: Apr 08, 2024 01:59:02 pm

      Bradley’s recovery pace is better than TAA so he does get back into position quicker but they are similar when it comes to challenges etc

      Sure, but at Brighton & Man Utd Bradley kept losing his positioning and he got exposed way too many times. he can recover easily because he is way faster but TAA usually marks his opponents better.



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      Reply #190: Apr 08, 2024 02:06:21 pm

      Bradley’s recovery pace is better than TAA so he does get back into position quicker but they are similar when it comes to challenges etc

      You're talking sh*t, again.
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      Reply #191: Apr 08, 2024 02:07:57 pm

      OK, explain how is bradley is a better defender?

      How about we just show you since it's pretty apparent you have short memory syndrome? He doesn't do things like this....

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BaNU2ChTJU
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      Reply #192: Apr 08, 2024 02:09:27 pm
      Sure, but at Brighton & Man Utd Bradley kept losing his positioning and he got exposed way too many times. he can recover easily because he is way faster but TAA usually marks his opponents better.

      He is having a dip in his form and he has been getting caught out a few times - but he is young and will develop and learn
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      Reply #193: Apr 08, 2024 02:11:19 pm

      Quite clearly I’m not - I know Bradley is the new young gun and that means it’s time to pile on TAA but right now Bradley is having a few issues when defending and has been caught out as well as getting silly yellows early - the sort of stuff social media fans ripped TAA
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      Reply #194: Apr 08, 2024 02:12:18 pm
      How about we just show you since it's pretty apparent you have short memory syndrome? He doesn't do things like this....

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BaNU2ChTJU

      It’s embarrassing that his own fans look to create and look for this sort of sh*te - but it’s expected from “e fans”
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      Reply #195: Apr 08, 2024 02:16:42 pm
      I think we missed Trent yesterday, Bradley and him are two different type of full backs and having that extra bit of quality crossing in could have helped us creating even more clear cut chances that just require a tap in with the way United were defending imo
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      Reply #196: Apr 08, 2024 02:25:25 pm
      It’s embarrassing that his own fans look to create and look for this sort of sh*te - but it’s expected from “e fans”

      Explaining it to the Trent lovers doesn't get through, they have to be shown and reminded just how terrible he is at defending. There's no getting away from that. That clip didn't just find it's way on the internet by accident by the way, it's probably been uploaded by a Liverpool fan who's grown sick and tired of his lack of effort to help the team.

      Praise him for what he does better than most, sure. But leave the bias nonsense at the door and add balance in your analysis and criticise for what he does poorly.....or doesn't do at all.
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      Reply #197: Apr 08, 2024 02:27:35 pm
      How about we just show you since it's pretty apparent you have short memory syndrome? He doesn't do things like this....

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BaNU2ChTJU

      You are judging based on a youtube video?

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      Reply #198: Apr 08, 2024 02:27:52 pm
      Explaining in to the Trent lovers doesn't get through, they have to be shown and reminded just how terrible he is at defending. There's no getting away from that.

      He isn’t “terrible” at defending , that’s just typical of some that just think in hyperboles

      We have won every trophy under the sun with TAA at right back whilst he has been defending
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      Reply #199: Apr 08, 2024 02:29:07 pm
      Explaining it to the Trent lovers doesn't get through, they have to be shown and reminded just how terrible he is at defending. There's no getting away from that. That clip didn't just find it's way on the internet by accident by the way, it's probably been uploaded by a Liverpool fan who's grown sick and tired of his lack of effort to help the team.

      Praise him for what he does better than most, sure. But leave the bias nonsense at the door and add balance in your analysis and criticise for what he does poorly.....or doesn't do at all.


      You think that we won the league and the CL with him in the same back four that conceded the least goals is "terrible at defending".
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      Reply #200: Apr 08, 2024 02:30:45 pm
      You are judging based on a youtube video?

      Watch it.

      I promise the video isn't edited in any way to make him look worst, that's Trent in many situations plainly not giving half a F**k. I'd never want us to sign a defender when he's capable of things like that.

      You can take the long route and rewatch every game back from August 13th 2022 to around February 2023 if you'd like but I wouldn't recommend wasting so much time trying to find something which you already know but won't admit.
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      Reply #201: Apr 08, 2024 02:33:44 pm

      You think that we won the league and the CL with him in the same back four that conceded the least goals is "terrible at defending".

      We had Fab Hendo and Gini doing all his dirty work and covering.....they all did little to no attacking for a reason. Trent was essentially playing as a 2nd winger and he was fabulous at it, but take away that cover and ask him to defend and he can't.
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      Reply #202: Apr 08, 2024 02:36:40 pm
      Bradley is not a significantly better defender than Trent, and he's certainly not a better passer/creator.

      There's really no debate. Bradley is a promising young talent, could have a stellar career ahead of him and we're lucky he's slotted in so well, but there are no metrics anyone can produce that show he's a better player than Trent in any aspect. Of course you can cherry pick some of Trent's defensive woes because of the vast number of minutes and games he's played. I guarantee you that if we had the same depth of data on Bradley, he would look similar or maybe even not quite as good.

      Bradley looks like he's hitting a little bit of a wall as of late which is understandable for a kid (KID) that has been thrown into the deep end and asked to perform multiple games per week.
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      Reply #203: Apr 08, 2024 02:49:29 pm
      Opta stats per 90 this season in the league,

      Bradley v Trent.

      Tackles attempted 4.1 - 1.6
      Fouls won 1.6 - 0.4
      Aerial duels contested 1.9 - 0.7
      Aerials won 1.3 - 0.5
      Ground duels contested 12.6 - 7.5
      Ground duels won 7.2 - 3.3
      Total duels won 8.5 - 3.8
      Clearances 1.6 - 1.9
      Interceptions - 1.2 - 1.3
      Blocked shots - 0.2 - 0.1
      Recoveries 6 - 7.7 (must say I'm surprised by that)
      Possession lost 18.2 - 24.1
      Goals conceded 0.8 - 1

      These stats are out there for anyone to find, Trent does win more or less every passing stat (which we'd expect him to, he's leagues apart) but let's not put their names in the same bracket when it comes to defending......they're leagues apart.
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      Reply #204: Apr 08, 2024 04:45:46 pm
      Opta stats per 90 this season in the league,

      Bradley v Trent.

      Tackles attempted 4.1 - 1.6
      Fouls won 1.6 - 0.4
      Aerial duels contested 1.9 - 0.7
      Aerials won 1.3 - 0.5
      Ground duels contested 12.6 - 7.5
      Ground duels won 7.2 - 3.3
      Total duels won 8.5 - 3.8
      Clearances 1.6 - 1.9
      Interceptions - 1.2 - 1.3
      Blocked shots - 0.2 - 0.1
      Recoveries 6 - 7.7 (must say I'm surprised by that)
      Possession lost 18.2 - 24.1
      Goals conceded 0.8 - 1

      These stats are out there for anyone to find, Trent does win more or less every passing stat (which we'd expect him to, he's leagues apart) but let's not put their names in the same bracket when it comes to defending......they're leagues apart.

      When Trent has played this season, he's played more as a midfielder. Also, he's likely been playing hurt or recovering from being hurt as he's been out  a good portion of the year.

      I'd wager that if you compare Trent's stats in one of his "normal" years they would be much closer but since Trent's offensive stats far exceed Bradley's and we know Klopp likes Trent to play offensively more than defensively it really doesn't matter anyway.

      And I have no beef with Bradley, I really like him and am excited by his potential...but right now it's just that...potential. If a top team in the world needed a RB and Bradley and Trent were the two available, every single one of them would take Trent first. I don't think anyone would dispute that...so what's that tell you?

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      Reply #205: Apr 08, 2024 05:01:17 pm
      Opta stats per 90 this season in the league,

      Bradley v Trent.

      Tackles attempted 4.1 - 1.6
      Fouls won 1.6 - 0.4
      Aerial duels contested 1.9 - 0.7
      Aerials won 1.3 - 0.5
      Ground duels contested 12.6 - 7.5
      Ground duels won 7.2 - 3.3
      Total duels won 8.5 - 3.8
      Clearances 1.6 - 1.9
      Interceptions - 1.2 - 1.3
      Blocked shots - 0.2 - 0.1
      Recoveries 6 - 7.7 (must say I'm surprised by that)
      Possession lost 18.2 - 24.1
      Goals conceded 0.8 - 1

      These stats are out there for anyone to find, Trent does win more or less every passing stat (which we'd expect him to, he's leagues apart) but let's not put their names in the same bracket when it comes to defending......they're leagues apart.

      Stats never tell the whole picture

      They aren’t “leagues apart” by any stretch
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      Reply #206: Apr 08, 2024 06:00:47 pm
      All Trent wants to do is show everyone how good he can ping/cross a ball, it's literally all he does. He's very lucky he was born with that natural talent, he's in the top few percent for players who can pass as well as he can because believe me if he couldn't, he'd be a very average player and that's a fact.

      So your saying that if Trentwasn't an amazing passer of the ball he'd be a veryaverage player? That's like saying if Fowler wasn't such an amazing finisher he'd be an average player.

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