Liverpool 1-2 Leeds United: In game and Post Match discussion

Yes it still needs addressing along with other issues but it doesn’t excuse top quality players playing poorly

What can I say that Ive already said many many  times! Fatigue- exploits of last year - current injuries. Problem is some of your fans can’t see it and put some of the blame on Klopp. I don’t see what they see.

The only positive I can give is that, in my opinion, the crux of Liverpool's problem is in one position - midfield.  A couple of high calibre acquisitions could dramatically improve the situation.

We are not quite at the rebuild the entire team from back to front point.

A little bit more strength and pace in there and Trent starts looking better, teams are going to be more tired facing us, and our forwards are still high enough quality to punish most teams.

I think they are going to have to act big in January though.  No more Arthur Melo loan sh*te.  Unfortunately, a lot of our midfield will be going to the World Cup so it's even more imperative we act because they are all going to come back injured to some extent.

Naby,Milner,Thiago,Ox,Jones,Elliott ,Carvalhoall not going . Fab And Henderson only ones and they will get very little action so not sure how that won't benefit us

Midfields control games. They dictate the tempo. It’s the engine room.
Gomez has always made mistakes.
VVD may be showing his age now with the injuries he had and also the World Cup might be on his mind as the last tournament was taken away from him?
But our midfield problems spread throughout the team like covid in on a cruise ship.

Hang on a min!! No such thing as Covid in your book so don’t be using that as a excuse.   

I think there is still a lot of quality in the squad but it's a small gap between success and failure in this league. We are doing ok in Champions league against weaker teams but struggling against premier league teams.
Almost all the players appear to have issues with their motivation and concentration this season. They don't have the work rate needed to win consistently. Add injuries, aging players and a few other factors and we are going to have serious problems getting into the top 4.
We need to add at least 1 quality player to midfield in January.

On a positive note none of the other top 4 contenders look amazing and a decent run of form after the WC can get us moving up the table.

What can I say that Ive already said many many  times! Fatigue- exploits of last year - current injuries. Problem is some of your fans can’t see it and put some of the blame on Klopp. I don’t see what they see.

The ones talking about Klopp being sacked are prob just new fans who watch the likes of Chelsea sacking managers every 18 months


Last season and the shortened pre season are key reasons

We still have more chances than our opposition, we still win against a powerhouse like City. It could be just a spell of bad luck. Just a reminder before we demand all kinds of knee-jerk reactions.

Hang on a min!! No such thing as Covid in your book so don’t be using that as a excuse.   

No, I said I don’t believe in cruise ships.
How I miss Shabs….the voice of reason.

Last season and the shortened pre season are key reasons

Which is why they become fatigued.

You are guessing re Gini clearly struggled since he left . As for Taki and Origi we have two lads out long term so if we had kept them two they would have been 6th and 7th choice which I would imagine they wouldn't be too pleased about

He struggled at psg. He'd have fitted right back in here like a glove. Better than keita, better than Jones, better than chamberlain, better than milner and more reliable than hendo and thiago.

As for origi ... he was out of contract and left. Bit we had no better options on the bench tonight.

Minamino can play left side and again ... better option than Jones or anyone else on the bench. Sold purely to balance the books. Sold to help recoup the Darwin outlay.

I'm not guessing anything. This is my opinion. If you think what was there tonight were better options than origi minamino and wijnadum then fair enough.

Which is why they become fatigued.

Fatigue feels worse when you are out of form

No, I said I don’t believe in cruise ships.
How I miss Shabs….the voice of reason.

I miss him too.

It’s pretty clear from your posting style that you are a poster who recently was banned

What is my posting style? That I dislike fsg? You think it's only me or the previous banned guy that dislike them and know they're to blame? He sounds a clever man this guy

We still have more chances than our opposition, we still win against a powerhouse like City. It could be just a spell of bad luck. Just a reminder before we demand all kinds of knee-jerk reactions.

Come on mate, we’re well into the season and can’t find a win from anywhere. It’s not going to change any time soon.

I think there is still a lot of quality in the squad but it's a small gap between success and failure in this league. We are doing ok in Champions league against weaker teams but struggling against premier league teams.
Almost all the players appear to have issues with their motivation and concentration this season. They don't have the work rate needed to win consistently. Add injuries, aging players and a few other factors and we are going to have serious problems getting into the top 4.
We need to add at least 1 quality player to midfield in January.

On a positive note none of the other top 4 contenders look amazing and a decent run of form after the WC can get us moving up the table.

Most of the top 4 contenders keep winning and don't look like losing. They'll be out of sight by the WC and imo they're as good as out of sight now. Lose at spurs as I expect we will and we're double figures from 4th in November and probably closer to the bottom.

That very true it isn’t the midfields fault, it’s a combination of things as you basically  point out. However, out of the combinations it’s still your biggest problem in going forward.

the midfield provide no cover for the CB's or Trent and Andy the team ran 11k less than Leeds our midfield has no legs left and that pr**k you converse with has far more support for FSG than Jürgen or the team he is just full of excuses but if you bothered to listen to Souness who actually does know what a midfield player is they are just worn out and have little more to give. Nothing wrong with scoring goals and just blaming Joe Gomez all the time is a F***ing joke tonight Ali put his hand up for  his mistake and even Jürgen called ALi aout for slipping in th eposition he was in . YOu must be the only person other than that tw*t you post with who doesnt think the midfield is the problem and that includes most pundits and the manager himself.

He struggled at psg. He'd have fitted right back in here like a glove. Better than keita, better than Jones, better than chamberlain, better than milner and more reliable than hendo and thiago.

As for origi ... he was out of contract and left. Bit we had no better options on the bench tonight.

Minamino can play left side and again ... better option than Jones or anyone else on the bench. Sold purely to balance the books. Sold to help recoup the Darwin outlay.

I'm not guessing anything. This is my opinion. If you think what was there tonight were better options than origi minamino and wijnadum then fair enough.

Not arguing your opinions just saying with having couple if key forwards injured it will impact on strength of bench.  We will never agree on Naby but if you think he isn't good enough and the 3 we have now aren't then you are looking at 5 out. Can guarantee you now if Naby had put these types of performances in which Fab and the likes have there would be complete and utter meltdown

Which is why they become fatigued.

Not buying this fatigued nonsense. They're underperforming end of story. Not injuries either. Diaz and Jota are big misses but there's too many big players not doing it.

The desire of Leeds and Forest was much greater than ours. Both deserved their victories

In a pub in beautiful Glasgow with a friend only to see this sh*t happen.

F**k me Amadeus

Most of the top 4 contenders keep winning and don't look like losing. They'll be out of sight by the WC and imo they're as good as out of sight now. Lose at spurs as I expect we will and we're double figures from 4th in November and probably closer to the bottom.

We have been sh*t for most of the season, well below our best and we are 10 points from 3rd with an extra game to play. It looks grim but we need to keep the faith. This team has a history of long winning runs to get us up the table in the recent past.

Next Sunday is a very big game for us.

Last season and the shortened pre season are key reasons

No chance. There is no excuse.

This is 100% attitude. It's plain as day to see. Did the same last week.. and it's not even surprising any more to see us do it again.

You can't claim that the lads are exhausted etc whilst watching them play a half-hearted lazy game, then go away and beat Ajax, and come home again and screw around again. It's their own choosing. They chose to lose, and honestly they don't care. Salah laughing again after wasting a massive chance when we were desperate for a "winner" at the time. 

No knee jerk reaction  from me just my honest opinion, midfield is our problem Hendo, Milner, Thiago and Fab all struggling with either age or injuries, Ox and Keita never fit, Jones I don't like saying it but is he good enough? and Elliot he's technically a good player and could become great he's 19 but we are carrying a passenger with him a lot of time but I'm not pinning things on him.
We need two new big signings in midfield and anyone even remotely thinking of Klopp going well be careful what you wish for, we'll never see a once in a generation manager like this again for a long while. CL qualification a real danger now ..

Thing is Forest and Leeds will be in the bottom 5 at the end of the season

On the back of last season we should have strengthened with real quality this summer ... in midfield especially and flogged the likes of keita Jones and Chamberlain to help fund it and free wages.

Next summer with at best conference league European football and 4 'assets' walking for free how are we going to attract the quality or pay for it.

Stand still .... go backwards. Buy cheap ... buy twice.