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      FSG put Liverpool up for sale

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      Re: FSG put Liverpool up for sale
      Reply #759: Nov 19, 2022 03:05:53 pm
      Like I said a racist agenda that has been fed to sheeps mind to go against the Arab world  and the World Cup is a clear example of it.

      They don’t understand fsg invests in companies who buy their products and services from countries of poor human rights records. Yet that is excusable and the same posters do it themselves but again they miss the point

      They talk about death penalties etc well guess what, some countries don’t want murders and rapists in jail, they want them gone and I have no issues with that

      They ignore the fact they buy things form businesses that kill kids and cause cancer yet they have an issue with Arabs

      Absolute hypocrites and then they have the audacity to criticise, discriminate and use legends of our past for their point.

      I’m out, hopefully we get overtaken by Arabs who support us rather than these blood tycoon businesses and the fckers that keep up their primitive mindset about Arabs can fk out of our club

      Do you somehow think that an Arab owner is not going to invest or buy from those same businesses that we do now? So an Arab owner would terminate the contract with Nike?
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      Reply #760: Nov 19, 2022 03:35:36 pm


      Keith ... no offence intended here mate. But you're saying you would take human rights abusers at united as you don't want to be also rans. Mate, you're the biggest spenders in the league the last 10 years and you're not in the top 4. So spending money isn't an issue at united ... and isn't a guarantee of success. So unless you want sportswasher money to rebuild your ground I don't see why you'd want them.

      No offence taken away mate.
       
      I know biggest spenders and still nothing really to show for it. Certainty not been spent wisely that’s for sure. I’m literally sat on the fence with my views getting splinters in my arse. Like I’ve said I don’t want sports washing owners but nothing I can do if we did. I personally couldn’t stop supporting my team because of it though. It really is a catch 22 situation if we want success though.

      Obviously plenty goings on off the pitch which is one of the reasons for our downfall, it’s all been self inflicted. There’re fans that very much hypocrites though so being sat on the fence hopefully excludes me but it is what it is.

      I’m hoping Amazon invest in United, win win around then.  ;D
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      Reply #761: Nov 19, 2022 04:41:54 pm
      Like I said a racist agenda that has been fed to sheeps mind to go against the Arab world  and the World Cup is a clear example of it.

      They don’t understand fsg invests in companies who buy their products and services from countries of poor human rights records. Yet that is excusable and the same posters do it themselves but again they miss the point

      They talk about death penalties etc well guess what, some countries don’t want murders and rapists in jail, they want them gone and I have no issues with that

      They ignore the fact they buy things form businesses that kill kids and cause cancer yet they have an issue with Arabs

      Absolute hypocrites and then they have the audacity to criticise, discriminate and use legends of our past for their point.

      I’m out, hopefully we get overtaken by Arabs who support us rather than these blood tycoon businesses and the fckers that keep up their primitive mindset about Arabs can fk out of our club

      If you have such a strong opinion on murderers and rapists being sent to jail then why do most Arab countries make marital rape legal? Why is it OK for a country that is about to host the World Cup tomorrow to have murdered 10,000 migrant workers?

      Pointing out those things doesn't make you anti Arab. It's not a West v the rest of the world thing. It's just a simple case of being able to figure out what's right and what's wrong.
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      Reply #762: Nov 19, 2022 06:31:24 pm

      I’m hoping Amazon invest in United, win win around then.  ;D

      I hope not, I'd have to cancel Prime on general principle.  ;D

      It might happen, didn't Murdoch try to buy your lot when Sky got the premier league rights.
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      Reply #763: Nov 19, 2022 06:56:04 pm
      There are a lot of polarized opinions on this thread. It was a bad time to put the club up for sale, from a social media perspective, no games to talk about. Only alternatives are the world cup, which has not even started yet and the f**kin Tories ruining the country.

      I think we are unlikely to be bought 100% by a benevolent billionaire, a scouse Mathew Harding, Steve Gibson or "union" Jack Walker. The club is just to expensive now, to big, those days are probably gone.
      My preference would be that FSG sells a share or the club to raise some cash for investment, similar to the Redbird investment. I think they have been reasonably competent owners with some significant errors during their ownership.

      If they sell the club we will probably have 2 options-
      1 A group similar to FSG who specialise in owning sports clubs. We can only hope they are better at managing the club than FSG. They may set aside some money for player investment (the new Chelsea owners are reported to have allocated over £1billion over 10 years) but at some point that money will end and the club would need to be self sustaining.
      2 Rich individuals/governments with lots of cash probably from the middle east. This is not my preference and if it happens I will probably start to lose interest in the club and focus on another team. It's not possible to throw away 30+ years of emotional attachment overnight but I'll gradually reduce the number of games I watch and do something else with my time.
      I think that there is some racism and hippocracy when we talk about the rich Arab countries but they do have very dodgy governments. I know the UK has done lots of horrible stuff over the last 100s of years and still does but I see very little evidence that the oil rich countries are trying to change their society.

      I'd also like to highlight global warming. We are all responsible for this, western people especially, but I don't think I can support a club funded by selling oil and gas.
      Also, if the world is going to survive we need to stop using oil and gas very quickly. Maybe in 10-15 years the middle east countries will not be as rich as they are now.


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      Reply #764: Nov 19, 2022 07:18:02 pm
      I hope not, I'd have to cancel Prime on general principle.  ;D

      It might happen, didn't Murdoch try to buy your lot when Sky got the premier league rights.

      Well I’ve stopped drinking red bull because of Fraudstappen so agree with your principles.  ;D

      Yes Murdoch did try in the 90s from what little I remember of it. Up to his usual shenanigans in trying to get the deal across the lines. Apparently it was stopped by the monopolies and mergers commission.

       
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      Reply #765: Nov 19, 2022 07:59:28 pm


      Also, if the world is going to survive we need to stop using oil and gas very quickly. Maybe in 10-15 years the middle east countries will not be as rich as they are now.

      Actually that’s arguably false. Consumption and over population are the main culprit for the decline of the environment and ecology of the earth. The hard truth is that if we want the earth to survive, the only real answer is population control (and decrease). But no one wants to face that. It’s easier to blame it on pollution and make ourselves feel better that we can change it by using a different type of energy for our cars.


      And on topic, Steve Balmer is not interested so people can take his name off the table (not that it should have ever been included).

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      Reply #766: Nov 19, 2022 08:52:49 pm
      Actually that’s arguably false. Consumption and over population are the main culprit for the decline of the environment and ecology of the earth. The hard truth is that if we want the earth to survive, the only real answer is population control (and decrease). But no one wants to face that. It’s easier to blame it on pollution and make ourselves feel better that we can change it by using a different type of energy for our cars.


      And on topic, Steve Balmer is not interested so people can take his name off the table (not that it should have ever been included).



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      Reply #767: Nov 19, 2022 09:55:56 pm
      Imagine this thread if we see an actual credible link to an 'oil state' taking over :D
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      Reply #768: Nov 20, 2022 12:29:06 pm
      I think we are unlikely to be bought 100% by a benevolent billionaire, a scouse Mathew Harding, Steve Gibson or "union" Jack Walker. The club is just to expensive now, to big, those days are probably gone.




      Well there was Steve Morgan,until it turned out he was only too happy to sell his soul cosying up and becoming bezzie mates with Norman Bettison.
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      Reply #769: Nov 20, 2022 01:05:58 pm
      So no news about possible buyers of the club then.
      Just a couple of lads slandering each other.

      Can we start a thread titled,  ‘Slag off your nemesis  in here’

      Then we can get back to reading posts that are relative to the listed thread.

      Just a thought.
      Well, there's precious little to report, unless you want to read the latest updated information which is practically identical to old news, with the only real difference in how the words have been rearranged. I've been looking regularly, as I assume most others have, and to me, it looks like this:

      1. Steve Ballmer and Mukesh Ambani have ruled themselves out of buying Liverpool
      2. HBSE and Steve Pagliuca are serious contenders (both of whom seem to be about as wealthy as FSG)
      3. Practically zero interest from Oil states/merchants

      EDIT: Personally, I am starting to doubt the veracity of the claims that a load of potential buyers have been in touch. What with the price and the current economic climate.

      EDIT2: And Twitter is really quite terrible for genuine reported claims; at least if you are looking for substance (a LOT of it, is just retweeted info)
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      Reply #770: Nov 20, 2022 03:17:43 pm
      Breaking news: Lloyds bank have turned down  my application for a bank loan of £4 billion.
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      Reply #771: Nov 20, 2022 03:24:03 pm
      Well, there's precious little to report, unless you want to read the latest updated information which is practically identical to old news, with the only real difference in how the words have been rearranged. I've been looking regularly, as I assume most others have, and to me, it looks like this:

      1. Steve Ballmer and Mukesh Ambani have ruled themselves out of buying Liverpool
      2. HBSE and Steve Pagliuca are serious contenders (both of whom seem to be about as wealthy as FSG)
      3. Practically zero interest from Oil states/merchants

      EDIT: Personally, I am starting to doubt the veracity of the claims that a load of potential buyers have been in touch. What with the price and the current economic climate.

      EDIT2: And Twitter is really quite terrible for genuine reported claims; at least if you are looking for substance (a LOT of it, is just retweeted info)

      Think that about sums it up


      I don’t see many billionaires paying that level of money , or should I say a sport/footbal fan one

      Oil state etc - it’s not the type of club they go for - they look for the cheap sleeping type club


      And then there is the US sports Consortium- and they are the same as FSG .

      Werner did talk about bringing in minority shareholders who can over time take over the club as they keep buying shares from FSG
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      Reply #772: Nov 21, 2022 01:07:01 pm
      Posts deleted.

      Topic: LFC For Sale.

      Not LFC dick measuring thread.

      Poster banned.
      Anyone else posting in the same hate filled style will also get banned.
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      Reply #773: Nov 23, 2022 12:51:56 am
      Glazers apparently looking to sell Man United now. I guess the big difference there is a buyer would take over a club with a world of debt.
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      Reply #774: Nov 23, 2022 09:55:52 am
      The two of the biggest clubs in European football now up for sale. Buyers will be out there but it's not a given that they will pay the top of the estimates being bandied about. The game is actually not necessarily on the up and up.

      https://gameofthepeople.com/2021/08/02/footballs-bubble-is-slowly-bursting/#:~:text=THE%20long%20era%20of%20growth,of%20Football%20Finance%20for%202021.

      Wages to income ratio's are about 73%. Highest they've ever been. Excessively high throughout Europe. The football bubble might not be about to burst but it's getting inflated season by season.

      How much capital growth is left. The clubs don't make massive profits. There will be buyers for sure but we're now in competition with United. Probably happening because the Euro league failed to materialise.
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      Reply #775: Nov 23, 2022 12:14:37 pm
      The more I read about all of this, the more I want FSG to stay. Sure they've made mistakes, but, all in all, they've been good owners. The state of the club tells me that.

      Did I want them to spend more? Too right - like a spoilt child I wanted them to spend more. But they were open about their plans going forward right from the start. Spend what we generate.

      Who knows what plans the new owners might have for us.
      « Last Edit: Nov 23, 2022 12:19:48 pm by Rush »
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      Reply #776: Nov 23, 2022 02:13:39 pm
      Glazers apparently looking to sell Man United now. I guess the big difference there is a buyer would take over a club with a world of debt.

      Exactly, the mancs debt was sustainable in the eyes of the Glazers what with their global enterprise and capacity crowds, nevertheless that  flow of spondoolies is not guaranteed especially with the massive rebuilding of all aspects of the club.
      Any buyers will need bottomless pockets.
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      Reply #777: Nov 23, 2022 02:16:14 pm
      Exactly, the mancs debt was sustainable in the eyes of the Glazers what with their global enterprise and capacity crowds, nevertheless that  flow of spondoolies is not guaranteed especially with the massive rebuilding of all aspects of the club.
      Any buyers will need bottomless pockets.

      Carrington and Snake Mountain need work done, team needs investment.

      Far bigger job and far bigger pockets needed.
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      Reply #778: Nov 23, 2022 03:25:16 pm
      Carrington and Snake Mountain need work done, team needs investment.

      Far bigger job and far bigger pockets needed.

      Probably need to treble the asking price to sort it.
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      Reply #779: Nov 24, 2022 05:50:51 pm
      From the BBC:

      Saudi Arabia's sports minister says its government would "definitely support" private sector Saudi bids for Manchester United and Liverpool. Prince Abdulaziz bin Turki Al Faisal said there was a lot of "interest and appetite" in United and Liverpool. Prince Abdulaziz bin Turki Al Faisal: "From the private sector, I can't speak on their behalf, but there is a lot of interest and appetite and there's a lot of passion about football." Prince Abdulaziz bin Turki Al Faisal: "It's the most-watched league in Saudi and the region and you have a lot of fans of the Premier League."
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      Reply #780: Nov 24, 2022 06:36:35 pm
      Fingers crossed it happens
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      Reply #781: Nov 24, 2022 06:47:03 pm
      From the BBC:

      Saudi Arabia's sports minister says its government would "definitely support" private sector Saudi bids for Manchester United and Liverpool. Prince Abdulaziz bin Turki Al Faisal said there was a lot of "interest and appetite" in United and Liverpool. Prince Abdulaziz bin Turki Al Faisal: "From the private sector, I can't speak on their behalf, but there is a lot of interest and appetite and there's a lot of passion about football." Prince Abdulaziz bin Turki Al Faisal: "It's the most-watched league in Saudi and the region and you have a lot of fans of the Premier League."


      Isn’t all the private sector linked to the Royal Family anyway - not sure how it works with owning other clubs

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