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      Julian Ward to leave Liverpool role at end of season

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      Julian Ward to leave Liverpool role at end of season
      Nov 24, 2022 12:04:00 pm
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      Re: Julian Ward to leave Liverpool role at end of season
      Reply #1: Nov 24, 2022 12:11:21 pm
      Seems Klopp taking a more hands on approach . Maybe looking at changing our model slightly
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      Reply #2: Nov 24, 2022 12:27:53 pm
      Interesting news.
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      Reply #3: Nov 24, 2022 12:30:11 pm
      There seems to be a lot of changes in the recruitment team. Mike Gordon stepping back from his role (to focus on club's sale) and club doctor (Jim Moxon) left in the summer and is yet to be replaced. There are reports that Ian Graham (director of research) could also leave.

      I wonder why this is happening and what it means.
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      Reply #4: Nov 24, 2022 12:33:57 pm
      Got to admit I am spilt being excited and a bit worried if I am honest seems to be some disconnect between levels and obvious uncertainty around sale or investment of the club .
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      Reply #5: Nov 24, 2022 01:03:36 pm
      Seems Klopp taking a more hands on approach . Maybe looking at changing our model slightly

      Yep,

      has more in hands approach with the recruitment policy apparently.

      Things are changing quickly
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      Re: Julian Ward to leave Liverpool role at end of season
      Reply #6: Nov 24, 2022 01:07:56 pm
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      Re: Julian Ward to leave Liverpool role at end of season
      Reply #7: Nov 24, 2022 01:17:07 pm
      like with any job, sometimes its just time to move on.
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      Reply #8: Nov 24, 2022 01:33:36 pm
      He hadn’t long taken over ?
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      Reply #9: Nov 24, 2022 01:44:31 pm
      like with any job, sometimes its just time to move on.

      But Ward just took over this past summer after being trained by Edwards last year. Strange situation.
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      Reply #10: Nov 24, 2022 02:04:22 pm
      But Ward just took over this past summer after being trained by Edwards last year. Strange situation.

      Yea, also said taking a year out. maybe pressure is too much ?
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      Reply #11: Nov 24, 2022 02:12:55 pm

      Slowly but surely its all coming apart at the seams isn't it. Have we recruited a head doctor yet? Penny for Jurgens thoughts
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      Reply #12: Nov 24, 2022 02:22:45 pm
      Seems Klopp taking a more hands on approach . Maybe looking at changing our model slightly
      I don’t see this as a good thing, honesty. A coach is great when he is brilliant tactically and can get his team playing well all on the same page. Most coaches are not the best evaluators of talent and especially aren’t great at building a team when dealing with monetary constraints. It’s always best the ensure that everyone is on the same page down the line, while at the same time keeping a bit of separation between coaches and management. Input from coaches should be greatly valued, but I pause when hear a coach is going to be given more power in personnel decisions.
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      Re: Julian Ward to leave Liverpool role at end of season
      Reply #13: Nov 24, 2022 02:34:30 pm
      Well he didn’t last long, had big shoes to fill after Edwards, maybe the club decided he wasn’t up to it.
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      Reply #14: Nov 24, 2022 02:36:49 pm
      This is not a positive bit of news. Losing Ward (the trainee) after Edwards (the master) isn't good.
      Hopefully, that'll leave him with some time to train the 3rd generation, so to speak.

      Well he didn’t last long, had big shoes to fill after Edwards, maybe the club decided he wasn’t up to it.

      Obviously, we never have the full picture, but by the looks of it, it seems to be his own decision.
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      Reply #15: Nov 24, 2022 03:19:42 pm
      Putting Klopp in charge of recruitment with no transfer kitty….sounds like a great idea.

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      Reply #16: Nov 24, 2022 03:51:24 pm
      The system for recruiting players has been second to none so hopefully we don't disturb that too much. Can't help but think this may be related to other changes afoot at the club.
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      Reply #17: Nov 24, 2022 03:54:12 pm
      Some thought out there that Pep Ljinders is at the center of staff tension over various aspects of operations.
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      Reply #18: Nov 24, 2022 04:04:46 pm
      Some thought out there that Pep Ljinders is at the center of staff tension over various aspects of operations.
      Can you explain further Robby please?
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      Reply #19: Nov 24, 2022 04:43:07 pm
      Whispers are a complete overhaul of recruitment by Klopp
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      Re: Julian Ward to leave Liverpool role at end of season
      Reply #20: Nov 24, 2022 04:54:10 pm
      Can you explain further Robby please?

      Admittedly this is 2nd hand, but Paul Tompkins has an article pointing.out some of these conflicts without a lot of.detail.i have found him a reliable source of information over the past few years.

      For people this high up to resign, I would think it is more than just conflict, but as Huyton said, signals a new direction in recruitment. As always, time will tell.
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      Re: Julian Ward to leave Liverpool role at end of season
      Reply #21: Nov 24, 2022 04:59:29 pm
      Admittedly this is 2nd hand, but Paul Tompkins has an article pointing.out some of these conflicts without a lot of.detail.i have found him a reliable source of information over the past few years.

      For people this high up to resign, I would think it is more than just conflict, but as Huyton said, signals a new direction in recruitment. As always, time will tell.

      Thanks for this. I love Pep, would be sad if this were true.

      Maybe something has been agreed upon behind scenes in relation to the sale of the club and they've been told they aren't part of the plan going forward?
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      Reply #22: Nov 24, 2022 05:07:40 pm
      Perhaps were seeing the future starting already, klopp doing more behind the scenes and PEP doing more from a team point of view.
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      Reply #23: Nov 24, 2022 05:08:14 pm
      Whispers are a complete overhaul of recruitment by Klopp
      That might make sense as Jürgen some time back expressed his opinion on how at times we can take a bit more risk in the transfer market.
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      Reply #24: Nov 24, 2022 05:14:25 pm
      Slowly but surely its all coming apart at the seams isn't it. Have we recruited a head doctor yet? Penny for Jurgens thoughts

      Shouldn't be a problem regardless of who leaves because it's all a one-man show and Klopp does it all, remember?
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      Reply #25: Nov 24, 2022 05:45:26 pm
      Can you explain further Robby please?


      Supposedly Tomkins reckons it's all to do with the book Pep put out.

      True story when they first took over at the club, FSG consulted Tomkins for advice on their football operations.
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      Reply #26: Nov 24, 2022 05:58:41 pm
      Supposedly Tomkins reckons it's all to do with the book Pep put out.

      True story when they first took over at the club, FSG consulted Tomkins for advice on their football operations.

      I heard jwh and Werner have him and that grizz guy on speedial
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      Reply #27: Nov 24, 2022 05:58:42 pm
      Whispers are a complete overhaul of recruitment by Klopp

      That’s why I have heard

      Last time this happened was when Rafa wanted full control
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      Reply #28: Nov 24, 2022 06:01:36 pm
      That might make sense as Jürgen some time back expressed his opinion on how at times we can take a bit more risk in the transfer market.

      I’m not sure Klopp should have control of transfers - yes he would like to risk more but the recruitment has worked very well - the Salah/Brandt scenario is exactly why we need someone there is fully focused on scouting and transfers
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      Reply #29: Nov 24, 2022 06:37:19 pm
      Thanks Robby and Huyton Red for the reply.
      I am not going to go into panic mode just yet then although its a little concerning that everyone seems to be going at once! I read somewhere that Ian Graham had resigned before the start of this season so obviously there has been something going on behind the scenes.
      Is it a bad thing for managers having more say in signings? It always amazes me that managers get sacked when in lots of cases they've just had players dumped on them on the whims of those above!
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      Reply #30: Nov 24, 2022 06:40:15 pm
      Is a reunion with Michael Zorc on the cards for Jürgen?
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      Reply #31: Nov 24, 2022 06:42:16 pm
      Whispers are a complete overhaul of recruitment by Klopp

      Would be strange and a big departure from Jürgen as he's always been comfortable working with a Sporting Director taking care of recruitment.

      I'm not convinced this is as good a news as many think and will hold fire until we hear of what the replacements look like and their experience etc
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      Reply #32: Nov 24, 2022 06:44:29 pm
      Is a reunion with Michael Zorc on the cards for Jürgen?

      He left Dortmund in the summer as well so could be a very good shout
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      Reply #33: Nov 24, 2022 06:50:39 pm
      He left Dortmund in the summer as well so could be a very good shout

      He's 60 now and retired from Dortmund after a good few years in the job. Don't really seem him as being in the frame
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      Reply #35: Nov 24, 2022 07:15:03 pm
      Unless this is a sign that a takeover is imminent and a case of leaving before being sacked, this is really worrying news. So much change in a short space of time is rarely good.
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      Reply #36: Nov 24, 2022 07:19:54 pm
      I can't see any of this being positive. Even in case of a sale, why wouldn't the club be sold as is and the new owners then do whatever they intend to? Pretty bad news
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      Reply #37: Nov 24, 2022 07:37:56 pm
      I can only imagine Klopp is taking a more hands on role due to the likes of Gordon concentrating on the sale of the club.
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      Reply #38: Nov 24, 2022 07:46:38 pm
      Well he didn’t last long, had big shoes to fill after Edwards, maybe the club decided he wasn’t up to it.

      Nah his decision.
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      Reply #39: Nov 24, 2022 08:42:19 pm
      It can't be that hard to carry on our current transfer strategy. Make it known that our primary target wanted to go elsewhere and that no other options were available. How hard can it be?
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      Reply #40: Nov 24, 2022 09:00:50 pm
      Very bad news. Looks we are falling apart. Klopp never was a good recruiter, he cannot do the all-in-one job. Any rumors why they leave like flies lately? Maybe a sign of imminent overtake by new owners? Very worrisome and not good at all, not necessarily for this season but for the next decade.
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      Reply #41: Nov 24, 2022 09:03:47 pm
      Very bad news. Looks we are falling apart. Klopp never was a good recruiter, he cannot do the all-in-one job. Any rumors why they leave like flies lately? Maybe a sign of imminent overtake by new owners? Very worrisome and not good at all, not necessarily for this season but for the next decade.

      Ah great. The wet fart returns.

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      Reply #42: Nov 24, 2022 10:07:18 pm
      Very bad news. Looks we are falling apart. Klopp never was a good recruiter, he cannot do the all-in-one job. Any rumors why they leave like flies lately? Maybe a sign of imminent overtake by new owners? Very worrisome and not good at all, not necessarily for this season but for the next decade.

      Klopp not a good recruiter. Ok.

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      Reply #43: Nov 24, 2022 10:20:20 pm
      Thanks Robby and Huyton Red for the reply.
      I am not going to go into panic mode just yet then although its a little concerning that everyone seems to be going at once! I read somewhere that Ian Graham had resigned before the start of this season so obviously there has been something going on behind the scenes.
      Is it a bad thing for managers having more say in signings? It always amazes me that managers get sacked when in lots of cases they've just had players dumped on them on the whims of those above!

      The dispute might be over personalities,  but it might also be whether in-person scouting should supplement analytics, or if analytics should support in-person scouting.
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      Reply #44: Nov 24, 2022 10:36:33 pm
      The dispute might be over personalities,  but it might also be whether in-person scouting should supplement analytics, or if analytics should support in-person scouting.

      Seems Nunez has cropped up and reading between the lines it was Klopp who forced it through possibly against uncertainties raised by analytics
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      Reply #45: Nov 24, 2022 10:49:26 pm
      Seems Nunez has cropped up and reading between the lines it was Klopp who forced it through possibly against uncertainties raised by analytics

      Looks like Klopp has been having more of a say in signings and contract extensions this last 12 months than previous which is probably not a good thing if you consider the Hendo and Milner extensions and his own previous signings at Dortmund.

      Everything seems a bit chaotic about the club at the moment from not needing midfield reinforcements to then scrabbling before the window closed, no medical doctor to strange/odd playing formations, no wonder the season so far has been let’s say a bit underwhelming.



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      Reply #46: Nov 24, 2022 10:59:25 pm
      The model we had has worked so well for so many years it is certainly a worry when you see Ward moving 9n so soon as well others within the recruitment team.
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      Reply #47: Nov 24, 2022 11:00:46 pm
      People jumping ship in anticipation of not surviving the result of the sale?

      Hard to know what's going on, but I think it's ultimately all going to come down to who FSG end up selling up to. If it's good new owners, then sporting directors etc are replaceable (plus Jürgen can probably do a good enough job without them). What worries me more is who we end up with as our next owners. Hopefully those leaving aren't doing so cos they're better informed about that than us fans.
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      Reply #48: Nov 25, 2022 01:40:58 am
      Looks like Klopp has been having more of a say in signings and contract extensions this last 12 months than previous which is probably not a good thing if you consider the Hendo and Milner extensions and his own previous signings at Dortmund.

      Everything seems a bit chaotic about the club at the moment from not needing midfield reinforcements to then scrabbling before the window closed, no medical doctor to strange/odd playing formations, no wonder the season so far has been let’s say a bit underwhelming.

      Not to mention that all of this is playing.out in the media.
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      Reply #49: Nov 25, 2022 03:38:37 am
      People jumping ship in anticipation of not surviving the result of the sale?

      Hard to know what's going on, but I think it's ultimately all going to come down to who FSG end up selling up to. If it's good new owners, then sporting directors etc are replaceable (plus Jürgen can probably do a good enough job without them). What worries me more is who we end up with as our next owners. Hopefully those leaving aren't doing so cos they're better informed about that than us fans.
      It's a valid point and it crossed my mind too, but I still don't see what type of new owner would make you resign from your job before the deal is even done. I mean, the way we've been conducting our scouting and transfer business has been pretty successful although one could argue we do need more funds. Why would a new owner scrap that and start from scratch or even try to build something different in regards to how we approach transfers when other clubs have been trying to go the way we did in that department. The most logical approach would be to keep it as is and inject more money, but why just tear it down? That's why I'm not convinced with the idea that they are leaving because of the potential new owner.

      There's truly some questions that need answering and we are left in the dark. I think the only thing we can pretty much all agree on is that, from the outside, this looks pretty worrying.
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      Reply #50: Nov 25, 2022 07:13:33 am
      Very bad news. Looks we are falling apart. Klopp never was a good recruiter, he cannot do the all-in-one job. Any rumors why they leave like flies lately? Maybe a sign of imminent overtake by new owners? Very worrisome and not good at all, not necessarily for this season but for the next decade.

      Don't worry sweetcheeks, I'm sure it'll be easier than replacing Sadio Mane.
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      Reply #51: Nov 25, 2022 07:14:14 am
      Not to mention that all of this is playing.out in the media.

      No one's arsed, the World Cup's on!
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      Reply #52: Nov 25, 2022 10:50:04 am
      No one's arsed, the World Cup's on!

      I just mean that it's a departure from how the club have handled major developments over the past decade or so.
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      Reply #53: Nov 25, 2022 02:58:24 pm
      Is a reunion with Michael Zorc on the cards for Jürgen?

      This. I'm quietly thinking the same. These guys worked miracle at Dortmund and if someone going to buy LFC even they prepare to throw billions for players they better have the laser guided targets beforehand.
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      Reply #54: Yesterday at 09:37:42 am
      Could it not be that wherever Edwards ends up (potentially United) that he's taking his own team with him?

      Happens alot when new managers come in and bring in their own backroom staff?
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      Reply #55: Yesterday at 10:29:49 am
      Very bad news. Looks we are falling apart. Klopp never was a good recruiter, he cannot do the all-in-one job. Any rumors why they leave like flies lately? Maybe a sign of imminent overtake by new owners? Very worrisome and not good at all, not necessarily for this season but for the next decade.





      F**k me you really are a bundle of fun aren’t you , thank f**k we’re not all Bitters eh, we’d all be suicidal by f***in Xmas, you sound like a Tory has just lost his expenses claim, this ‘very bad news, and ‘we’re falling apart’ Klopp can’t multi task, our new apparent owners are worrisome and no good at all, at all, especially for the next ten years, ‘Oh my God, I can’t go on’ please somebody’s out there help me, Aarrggghhhhhhhh !!!!
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      Reply #56: Yesterday at 12:06:59 pm
      Has anyone out there even considered that all this shuffling of the pack and ppl moving on could be a good thing, we’ve been chuntering along quite nicely the last couple of seasons and maybe, just maybe I don’t know(does anyone) that not only have we become pretty stale on the pitch, maybe it’s a bit stale off it and the inner workings need a re-build too, why does everything we change have to be all ‘Doom & Gloom’ ??


      Maybe, just maybe could it be that Jürgen knows sh*t we don’t and he, under a new regime has carte blanche over who he wants coming in and not be burdened by a restrictive transfer policy, have the new potential owners already given certain assurances to Jürgen that he will get all the power he wants and all these rumblings at the mo are just simply the shifting of sand dunes ??

      Of course no f**ker knows accept those closest to the action, and the less the media know the better, we’ve already seen the click bait frenzy that the ‘FSG are selling up’ news got, I like that we’re not hearing what the f**k is going on, and for me it should stay like this until FSG or whoever have something solid to report, until then it’s all f***in bullshit, speculative bullshit from those who think they know but actually f***in don’t, journo’s like Maddock, Cullis, etc who’s red top rags smell of sh*te before your eyes see the headlines,

      We’ve had 12 years now of NESV or FSG as our more familiar named owners, and for the most part I’d argue they have pretty much been spot on in whatever they said they’d do, their only blots on the landscape being the rise in ticket prices fiasco and of course their very special own goal ‘Super League’ involvement, no one can answer the ‘Where would we be without them ‘ question, it’s just impossible to answer, same as, where would we be without Jürgen ? Can’t answer that one either,( we can, we just don’t want to) however if you so happen to have a couple of Brian cells that rub up against each other you should be able to concede that the last 7 seasons because of both we as a going concern have done some remarkable things,

      I think FSG have earned enough stripes to warrant our trust in them, I think they will do due diligence on whoever they choose as their new investors/Partners/possible owners, yes they will make millions in profit, but so f***in what, they’ve also given us our club back, taken it from the brink of liquidation and built it up into a European giant again, allowing us a generation or two of memories the likes your grandad spoke of in the days when mullets were fish and flares were something you wore on yer legs,

      Whoever takes over/invests, will obviously need to be slightly more open to potential transfers and the finances involved, I see FSG in a similar light to that of David Moores(RIP) in that they/he didn’t want/have the financial clout to compete with the Jones’s, albeit their resources being far greater than Moores was, but then so has everything else been over inflated in today’s world, in Mi££ions rather than 100’s of Thousands,
      The saddest thing is of course it’s likely but not conclusive that we will indeed end up being bank rolled, whether that be some Arab rich oligarchy or mega rich consortium who knows, I’m fairly confident whoever that is will pass the fit and proper bollocks from the head chefs & bottle washers as well as our own internal forensic examinations,

      For us fans, we just want to see us challenging on all fronts for every league or cup competition possible, with the added luxury of being as equally competitive in the transfer market, we don’t need to buy our successes, buy our history, we already wear those T shirts, been wearing them for over 50 years +, the new kids on the block are making their mark, and we just need to stay with them, unfortunately, it’s the way of the world I’m sad to say, that money rules the world and in order to continue being a successful football club we need to be where it’s at !!!



      Hope Over Fear !!




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      Re: Julian Ward to leave Liverpool role at end of season
      Reply #57: Yesterday at 02:03:49 pm
      Has anyone out there even considered that all this shuffling of the pack and ppl moving on could be a good thing, we’ve been chuntering along quite nicely the last couple of seasons and maybe, just maybe I don’t know(does anyone) that not only have we become pretty stale on the pitch, maybe it’s a bit stale off it and the inner workings need a re-build too, why does everything we change have to be all ‘Doom & Gloom’ ??


      Maybe, just maybe could it be that Jürgen knows sh*t we don’t and he, under a new regime has carte blanche over who he wants coming in and not be burdened by a restrictive transfer policy, have the new potential owners already given certain assurances to Jürgen that he will get all the power he wants and all these rumblings at the mo are just simply the shifting of sand dunes ??

      Of course no f**ker knows accept those closest to the action, and the less the media know the better, we’ve already seen the click bait frenzy that the ‘FSG are selling up’ news got, I like that we’re not hearing what the f**k is going on, and for me it should stay like this until FSG or whoever have something solid to report, until then it’s all f***in bullshit, speculative bullshit from those who think they know but actually f***in don’t, journo’s like Maddock, Cullis, etc who’s red top rags smell of sh*te before your eyes see the headlines,

      We’ve had 12 years now of NESV or FSG as our more familiar named owners, and for the most part I’d argue they have pretty much been spot on in whatever they said they’d do, their only blots on the landscape being the rise in ticket prices fiasco and of course their very special own goal ‘Super League’ involvement, no one can answer the ‘Where would we be without them ‘ question, it’s just impossible to answer, same as, where would we be without Jürgen ? Can’t answer that one either,( we can, we just don’t want to) however if you so happen to have a couple of Brian cells that rub up against each other you should be able to concede that the last 7 seasons because of both we as a going concern have done some remarkable things,

      I think FSG have earned enough stripes to warrant our trust in them, I think they will do due diligence on whoever they choose as their new investors/Partners/possible owners, yes they will make millions in profit, but so f***in what, they’ve also given us our club back, taken it from the brink of liquidation and built it up into a European giant again, allowing us a generation or two of memories the likes your grandad spoke of in the days when mullets were fish and flares were something you wore on yer legs,

      Whoever takes over/invests, will obviously need to be slightly more open to potential transfers and the finances involved, I see FSG in a similar light to that of David Moores(RIP) in that they/he didn’t want/have the financial clout to compete with the Jones’s, albeit their resources being far greater than Moores was, but then so has everything else been over inflated in today’s world, in Mi££ions rather than 100’s of Thousands,
      The saddest thing is of course it’s likely but not conclusive that we will indeed end up being bank rolled, whether that be some Arab rich oligarchy or mega rich consortium who knows, I’m fairly confident whoever that is will pass the fit and proper bollocks from the head chefs & bottle washers as well as our own internal forensic examinations,

      For us fans, we just want to see us challenging on all fronts for every league or cup competition possible, with the added luxury of being as equally competitive in the transfer market, we don’t need to buy our successes, buy our history, we already wear those T shirts, been wearing them for over 50 years +, the new kids on the block are making their mark, and we just need to stay with them, unfortunately, it’s the way of the world I’m sad to say, that money rules the world and in order to continue being a successful football club we need to be where it’s at !!!



      Hope Over Fear !!




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      Great post up there Billy.

      Think you have it pretty much nailed in that assessment. As you have already said. we have become stale and something is clearly not right with our recruitment. We only see the end product on the field, we don't see the decisions or lack thereof that ultimately translate through to the Squad.

      I am not saying i am right in my prediction here but i think all these backroom movements are aligning with the high probability of a straight sale here.

      I think FSG have come to the realisation that they have taken Liverpool Football Club as far as they can.
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      Re: Julian Ward to leave Liverpool role at end of season
      Reply #58: Yesterday at 02:04:31 pm
      On the changed approach to recruitment front, I wonder if Diaz was the last example of the analytics-driven method, and Nunez is the first example of the new "eyeballs-driven" method.
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      Reply #59: Yesterday at 02:23:06 pm
      A lot of you will be familiar with the process at your own workplace. Once one individual from the higher positions in the company, decide to move on, it follows that others take on the idea that things wont be the same without them, and it has a knock on effect with others deciding to call it a day also.
      Then theres the other aspect, whereby if you are particularly good at your job, you get head hunted from other businesses. Thats a possibility, and it may not be a sporting business either.
      Whatever the outcome, Liverpool F.C. will still be here at the end of it. No body is irreplaceable ! 


      Well possibly Jürgen    ;D
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      Re: Julian Ward to leave Liverpool role at end of season
      Reply #60: Yesterday at 02:28:36 pm
      He's leaving at the end of this season to take a break. Not been at the helm that long so it is a surprise.  But we have time to bring in another top talent spotter. Obviously working very closely with the chief scout and his team.

      Might also be time to offer Gerrard a role at the club. Might be of interest to him.
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      Re: Julian Ward to leave Liverpool role at end of season
      Reply #61: Yesterday at 03:02:56 pm
      Might also be time to offer Gerrard a role at the club. Might be of interest to him.

      Very doubtful that he'd be interested in that position...

      Besides, and I mean this in the nicest possible way, I'd rather have the most competent person for the job, rather than going with sentimentality.
      SG was an amazing player, a great leader. And he seemed to be quite smart. But he isn't a "brain", like Edwards and Ward.
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      Re: Julian Ward to leave Liverpool role at end of season
      Reply #62: Yesterday at 03:18:10 pm
      Could it not be that wherever Edwards ends up (potentially United) that he's taking his own team with him?

      Happens alot when new managers come in and bring in their own backroom staff?

      Most likely Newcastle.
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      Re: Julian Ward to leave Liverpool role at end of season
      Reply #63: Yesterday at 03:43:12 pm
      On the changed approach to recruitment front, I wonder if Diaz was the last example of the analytics-driven method, and Nunez is the first example of the new "eyeballs-driven" method.


      I see someone has already found a quote from Diaz about one day moving on to a Spanish club.

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