Gareth Southgate. Time to go?

Isn’t it time we moved on from this lad? I never ever thought he was good enough and I’m more convinced than ever after watching our World Cup exploits. His tactics remind me of Ole being at the wheel, he hasn’t got the technical nous to take the best on.

Annoyingly I do think England have a team that’s just about capable of winning a World Cup with the current side. Southgate under achieving with this crop in front of him for me.

I read he’s taking us the the Euros for 2024.  Probably get to the semi or final and get beat again. England simply not great to watch under Safegate.

Southgate sticking with Maguire in defence oh dear , headline breaking news on sky Jordan starting in midfield, wow that’s headline breaking, must be a slow news day

Southgate sticking with Maguire in defence oh dear , headline breaking news on sky Jordan starting in midfield, wow that’s headline breaking, must be a slow news day

What's annoying is he's stated time and time again you have to be playing in your domestic team to be considered playing for England yet these rules don't seem to apply to Maguire. 

What's annoying is he's stated time and time again you have to be playing in your domestic team to be considered playing for England yet these rules don't seem to apply to Maguire. 

It’s not just him though , he once said he’d pick players on form well he clearly doesn’t, sky stating he’s sticking with the system and players that has made them successful, last time I checked they’d won naff all , poor manager imho.

It’s not just him though , he once said he’d pick players on form well he clearly doesn’t, sky stating he’s sticking with the system and players that has made them successful, last time I checked they’d won naff all , poor manager imho.

Hopefully gone soon and with rumours Pep might take over you'll see a better England for sure.

Hopefully gone soon and with rumours Pep might take over you'll see a better England for sure.

Hahahaha won't happen!

I feel robbed that I really cant enjoy watching England any more and not for sometime actually. I hope Scotland beat them and Andy scores a hatrick

It’s not just him though , he once said he’d pick players on form well he clearly doesn’t, sky stating he’s sticking with the system and players that has made them successful, last time I checked they’d won naff all , poor manager imho.

England would have one of the last two major tournaments if they had a better manager

Hahahaha won't happen!

I think we have a side capable of winning the Euro and even a World Cup, it’s only the current manager that stopping us really.

I think we have a side capable of winning the Euro and even a World Cup, it’s only the current manager that stopping us really.

been saying it since 1966 the excuse was our players are knackered after a long season so what happened last December ? we get confused by how good the league is and that is because of the likes of Mo Salah not Harry McGuire. Looking at this shower tonight they are clueless headless chickens

I think we have a side capable of winning the Euro and even a World Cup, it’s only the current manager that stopping us really.

Same argument as ever. File under Jose Mourinho, Fat Phil who used to manage Brazil and any other big name foreign manager.

The golden generation had Fabio Capello and still couldn't win.

another manager media darling kept in post because he wears a nice suit. As a kid watching England was such a treat right up to Owens goal against Argentina but since Beckham made it a freak show its been embarrassing

Why would anyone be Southgate out? He's never lost a qualifier and has done better than any England manager since 1966. What's the problem?

Why would anyone be Southgate out? He's never lost a qualifier and has done better than any England manager since 1966. What's the problem?

What’s he won us if he’s the best since 66? He fcuked it against France, not forgetting we had a dream run to the semis. Simple truth he’s under performing a team full of stars for thier respective clubs.

Question? Is Southgate better than Pep & Klopp?

What’s he won us if he’s the best since 66? He fcuked it against France, not forgetting we had a dream run to the semis. Simple truth he’s under performing a team full of stars for thier respective clubs.

Question? Is Southgate better than Pep & Klopp?

What did he ever do to warrant the job in the first place , you only have to look at how many games he’s won against top opponents, sure he beats mediocre teams , but he’s way too defensive minded .

What did he ever do to warrant the job in the first place , you only have to look at how many games he’s won against top opponents, sure he beats mediocre teams , but he’s way too defensive minded .

Done nothing to warrant the job, he was just in the right place at the right time. Not sure he could even manage the PL top 10 teams. All the FA are doing is delaying the inevitable and if we do go on to win this comp there’s no way they will get rid of him for the WC.

Don’t like his style of football either and as you rightly point out to defensively. With our attacking force we should have a high press.

Against the big teams he’s always been caught out with his negative tactics. It’s alright people pointing out he’s not lost a qualifier but who have we won that’s decent? Not for me, if it means losing out on the Euros to get rid of him I’d consider it. 😂

What’s he won us if he’s the best since 66? He fcuked it against France, not forgetting we had a dream run to the semis. Simple truth he’s under performing a team full of stars for thier respective clubs.

Question? Is Southgate better than Pep & Klopp?

What’s he won us if he’s the best since 66?

This is a red herring. There are only 2 things you can win in world football and guaranteeing that you 'win something' at international is almost impossible.

He fcuked it against France, not forgetting we had a dream run to the semis.

We have had lots of managers that lost to the likes of Romania and Iceland. Losing to France is nothing to be ashamed of in context, we were unlucky. And even if he made the changes IN YOUR OPINION he should have made, there is still no guarantee we would have won that game, thats not how life or football works.

Simple truth he’s under performing a team full of stars for thier respective clubs.

We've had just as many 'big name' players and so called Elite managers (sven, capello) and still did not perform.

Please have some perspective and be less reactionary.

Question? Is Southgate better than Pep & Klopp?

No, but so what? Who is? What does that have to do with the England team?

Haha who cares 🤷‍♂️

Question? Is Southgate better than Pep & Klopp?

No, but so what? Who is? What does that have to do with the England team?

So what ? 😂 Well if you don’t know the answer to that one then there’s nothing  I can do/say  that will ever change your mind. 🤷‍♂️

So what ? 😂 Well if you don’t know the answer to that one then there’s nothing  I can do/say  that will ever change your mind. 🤷‍♂️

I mean he’s not better than Klopp or Pep but who is?

Do we want him out because he’s not Pep or Klopp?

He’s still doing, and done well for this England team.

If the biggest indictment on a manager is that they aren’t Pep or Klopp, then sack everyone.

I mean he’s not better than Klopp or Pep but who is?

Do we want him out because he’s not Pep or Klopp?

He’s still doing, and done well for this England team.

If the biggest indictment on a manager is that they aren’t Pep or Klopp, then sack everyone.

How long Safegate! be in charge?  7 years is the answer How long do you think he would of lasted in the PL winning nothing?

It’s not saying much is it he’s doing well yet won nothing, your debate has no foundation for trying to see your side of things.

However!!! We might agree on the next question if you give me  YES or NO answer?

Would Pep or Klopp improve England?

How long Safegate! be in charge?  7 years is the answer How long do you think he would of lasted in the PL winning nothing?

It’s not saying much is it he’s doing well yet won nothing, you’ve debate has no foundation for trying to see your side of things.

However!!! We might agree on the next question if you give me  YES or NO answer?

Would Pep or Klopp improve England?

Obviously Pep or Klopp would improve England but neither of them is going to become England manager. It would be good if Pep left City for the England job but we don't want Klopp to leave Liverpool.

I think Southgate has done a reasonably good job, he's the most successful manager in many years, we could argue that he's got better players than some of his predecessors but I don't think that they are much better. The 'golden generation' won nothing. In the 70s when English clubs were winning the European cup almost every year England could not even qualify for tournaments.

I think England are in a similar position to Tottenham with Potchetino, successful but missing out on the trophies. Were Tottenham right to sack Potch? I think most of us would say it was a mistake.

When a manager has been in a job for a long time there will always be fans who want to make a change because they believe that the grass will be greener, I personally don't think England would improve if they replaced Southgate with 1 of the other realistic alternatives.

I don't think he's perfect and there are plenty of decisions that can be criticised but he should definitely be the manager for the European championship.

I'd also add that England were lucky to win the world cup in 66 and people should not get so obsessed with that tournament as the norm for England.

They obviously had the advantage of being at home, the best player- Pele was kicked out of the tournament and England had a lot of luck and dodgy decisions, most famously from the Russian lineman.

1st england manager to be relegated. Now in the Eufa nations league B.

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Obviously Pep or Klopp would improve England but neither of them is going to become England manager. It would be good if Pep left City for the England job but we don't want Klopp to leave Liverpool.

I think Southgate has done a reasonably good job, he's the most successful manager in many years, we could argue that he's got better players than some of his predecessors but I don't think that they are much better. The 'golden generation' won nothing. In the 70s when English clubs were winning the European cup almost every year England could not even qualify for tournaments.

I think England are in a similar position to Tottenham with Potchetino, successful but missing out on the trophies. Were Tottenham right to sack Potch? I think most of us would say it was a mistake.

When a manager has been in a job for a long time there will always be fans who want to make a change because they believe that the grass will be greener, I personally don't think England would improve if they replaced Southgate with 1 of the other realistic alternatives.

I don't think he's perfect and there are plenty of decisions that can be criticised but he should definitely be the manager for the European championship.

I agree Klopp wouldn’t be England manager but wouldn’t rule out Pep.

Safegate has done a reasonable as you out  it but still won nothing Gaz. I thought success was judged on winning trophies though?

Our opinions differ significantly on the currently England side, it’s the best side since I’ve been watching England play.  I was only 6 when we won the World Cup so difficult for me to have educated opinion on that side.

Simple fact is Southgate is just another FA puppet, he’s there for cosmetic reasons only, he probably does have the best group of players since Gerrard Scholes era, but look what they won with like minded FA puppets as manager,

Southgate is a ‘Yes’ man, like all the others before him, Ramsey was your last manager who refused to suck the FA’s Cock, ask yourselves why Clough, or Jackie Charlton wasn’t allowed to manage Engurland, Venables was slightly outspoken but he didn’t have the talent Southgate has now,

In Southgate’s defence he has moved the goalposts slightly but he’s far too defensively focused, now imagine that group of players under the tutelage of Klopp or Pep, now that is a different kettle of fish, and either would take Engurland forward and possibly bring success, but alas, that is simply a pipe dream and I’m afraid the FA will continue to employ ‘Yes’ men, even if Southgate were to hand up his waistcoat!!


Ynwfa….You’ll Never win F**k all

How long Safegate! be in charge?  7 years is the answer How long do you think he would of lasted in the PL winning nothing?

It’s not saying much is it he’s doing well yet won nothing, your debate has no foundation for trying to see your side of things.

However!!! We might agree on the next question if you give me  YES or NO answer?

Would Pep or Klopp improve England?

How long Safegate! be in charge?  7 years is the answer How long do you think he would of lasted in the PL winning nothing?

So now we've shifted to 'He's been in the job for too long'. Well, there are only 2 competitions you could possibly win as a international coach, one happens every 4 years and one happens every 2. The premier league happens every year and is not a knockout competition.

It’s not saying much is it he’s doing well yet won nothing, your debate has no foundation for trying to see your side of things

My argument does have foundation because

1) Winning a Knockout competition is very difficult.
2) We have lost 1 qualifier under Gareth (world cup and euros)
3) We have reached a final, a semi final and quarter final
4) We have had World class players and world class managers before and did far less

Would Pep or Klopp improve England?

Depends on what you mean by 'improve'.

Would they play nicer football? Most likely.

Would England win the Euros and World Cup? We literally have zero idea if that would happen under Pep or Klopp, as they have all been knocked out of Cup competitions many times already.

This question is also an incredibly pointless one as neither would ever be England manager.

Would Pep or Klopp improve England?

Depends on what you mean by 'improve'.

Would they play nicer football? Most likely.

Would England win the Euros and World Cup? We literally have zero idea if that would happen under Pep or Klopp, as they have all been knocked out of Cup competitions many times already.

This question is also an incredibly pointless one as neither would ever be England manager.

It really is a YES / NO answer mate. Stop going round the houses. 

It really is a YES / NO answer mate. Stop going round the houses. 

Very weird moving of the goalposts here, I already responded to this pointless question a page back. Not sure why you're so stuck on it. https://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,53304.msg2571682.html#msg2571682

What do you mean by IMPROVE??

Very weird moving of the goalposts here, I already responded to this pointless question a page back. Not sure why you're so stuck on it. https://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,53304.msg2571682.html#msg2571682

What do you mean by IMPROVE??

The only thing weird is you not being able to give a direct answer.

We move on.

The only thing weird is you not being able to give a direct answer.

We move on.

By 'Improve', are you asking would Pep or Klopp win the World Cup or The Euros for England?

Is that the point you'e trying to make?

If so, then the answer is NO. (as i CLEARLY said previously). I can't definitively say they will win the World Cup with England.

If the only metric for success at international level is winning one of the two Knockout competitions your team competes in then Lionel Scaloni (FORMERLY OF WEST HAM), and Roberto Mancini are the best managers in the world right now.

Now remind us of the glorious managerial career Lionel Scaloni and Roberto Mancini had previously

I think we have a side capable of winning the Euro and even a World Cup, it’s only the current manager that stopping us really.

You want to sack a manager that has taken you to the quarters semis and a final, of the last three major tournaments. Other countries would love to have such problems.

After all, what else have England "achieved" in the last 60 years?

You want to sack a manager that has taken you to the quarters semis and a final, of the last three major tournaments. Other countries would love to have such problems.

After all, what else have England "achieved" in the last 60 years?

you dont get it. THIS time it's the REAL golden generation, not like the time before when we had the Golden Generation with a 'world class' manager. That time it didnt work because the manager wasnt English and didnt have PASH-UN! 

you dont get it. THIS time it's the REAL golden generation, not like the time before when we had the Golden Generation with a 'world class' manager. That time it didnt work because the manager wasnt English and didnt have PASH-UN! 

Or a nice line in waist coats